The Executioner and Her Way of Life
| I forced myself to complete this show cuz I had a couple of things that I wanted to say which I thought would get brushed off with a 'just watch the rest of the show'. Admittedly I did skip quite a bit, cuz the exposition wouldn't end. But I think I got the gist of it and would like to collectively think about it. I think my reasons for disliking the show are on me, and I don't expect everyone to agree with me on this. But let's get the elephants out of the room first. Is this show truly yuri? Honestly, I don't think that it leans a lot into it. But yeah it's yuri. If not for menou and akari then momo and menou. Since momo clearly wanted in on menou. Just because the romance doesn't get realised doesn't mean that there is no romantic tone there. That would make more romcoms just coms. Yuri is a little much so let's just say it's Girl's Love? Second L in my eyes is when the fans are like 'you guys are pissed off because the guy was a self insert.' I mean, bruh, you're watching an isekai. isekai is predominantly self insert. unless it's rudeus. in that case, go to jail. point is you're watching a genre that you can insert your virgin wimpy ass into. ah, the virgin wimpy ass was also a repeating part in the fans' disses. like they weren't virgin little asses watching a show with a decent bit of GL. I picture yall as the typical otakus huffing over k on. sorry. Anyways, the author, in my eyes, was using this unoriginal genre to either get clicks. cuz believe me when i say this, isekai sells. or what might be more likely, using isekai as an excuse to come up with a more creative way to bring abnormally strong people into the world. which if they did that they could have avoided the anime score disaster caused by the first 14 minutes. frankly two things that bothered me about it were- 1. they really didn't have to kill the guy. maybe im biased because i watched dorororo and now hate the idea of sacrificing someone innocent for the greater good but anyways. i don't think that they had to kill anyone for that matter (including the lost one, mom). isekaied people like the dude were easy to manipulate evidently. they could have been good tools. As demonstrated by akari throughout the show. (also akari was just a, what was that term again, something something fairy, fight me.) 2. they didn't have to kill him after finally giving him some hope. like sure she wanted to see his powers before offing him, but there must've been better ways to do it than, lemme make this guy like me, and the put a knife through his cranium. the same thing applies to the lost one milf. why kill her when she was having a jolly time? why assassinate her when she was with her daughter. and why not kill the daughter. they already knew that they weren't morally right. and they were killing people on a slim possibility of them acting out in the future. What the fck was she thinking would happen if she let a traumatised kid live after seeing that? did she not think there was even a small possibility that she would act out in the future? it was so stupid. and i felt bad. Personally, and this is subjective, I don't like to follow characters I hate with a passion. These deranged psychopaths who were killing over a slight possibility were really hard to root for. just like rooting for a pedo 40-year-old was hard in mushoku tensei. ah bonus complaint about his death, why give him such a cool power before killing him? that power's literally every chuuni's fantasy. they could've given him like a cringe power like idk plague. it wouldn't have felt like wasted potential in that case. i mean the list of complaints keeps piling on. some small other issues. the dudes were all done dirty in the show. there was not a singly even mid looking dude. everyone looked like 4/10. when all the girls were 10/10. also they were pretty brutal with the dudes, like how momo knocked his face in. while the girl had a perfect face coming out of a friggin iron maiden. also, idk why they didn't destroy the system that summoned lost ones. like i bet it costs a lot, and mennou could sneak into the castle. if they destroyed the system a couple of times, im sure the nobles would give up too. i think there were some other issues that i couldn't remember and yes im being anal about it. but i decided to dislike the show, so the flaws became more evident. lol this was long. how much of this do you reckon i was wrong about? |
ah_rinJul 13, 2022 1:09 AM
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Bunzy_Jul 13, 2022 2:01 AM
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the same dude who asked you to respond |
Abyque said: same here dude like when I completed the first episode i was like yea So characters are beautiful but after that I just can't watch, it was sooooo freaking boring. but once I started it I had to finish it so i made a schedule that I will watch one episode in only two days and while I was watching it, in every 20 sec I will check how many mins are left. this continued until the 11th episode The last episode was a good one. i'd say so too, except for the very last frames, in which they were just happy-go-lucky after the havoc. it was kinda funny tho ngl |
vitor03 said: u are right bro i dont think raging lesbians is a fun thing to watch i mean, there was potential to be fun. there's a show with a microwave that makes u time travel. and that was pretty fun. id say its up to how they execute it. if they make a large viewer base hate the character in the first couple of minutes, they are the ones who messed up. no matter how good the worldbuilding is, if the character's actions are incomprehensible the show would plummet. |
| This is too subjective to argue, maybe try to put it in a review section instead. |
EdgyLord666 said: This is too subjective to argue, maybe try to put it in a review section instead. the subjective part was limited to i think 3 things. the rest were some flaws i noticed because of my bias. |
ah_rin said: EdgyLord666 said: This is too subjective to argue, maybe try to put it in a review section instead. the subjective part was limited to i think 3 things. the rest were some flaws i noticed because of my bias. Sorry, maybe I missed it because it's too long, can you list those flaws as short as possible? |
EdgyLord666 said: ah_rin said: the subjective part was limited to i think 3 things. the rest were some flaws i noticed because of my bias. Sorry, maybe I missed it because it's too long, can you list those flaws as short as possible? nah then it wouldn't have been fun to write. or can i? the dude dying was pointless could've been prevented. if you're looking for something creatively fresh. instead of subverting expectations, they could've just not made it an isekai. people watch isekai to self insert. the show shat on males. there was clear yuri... which is fine, but its existence is not a debate. no matter how hard i tried, i thought it was impossible to justify the killings. which is weird cuz i was fine with the AOT genocide. this show couldnt convince me that killing the other world's people was the only way. the reasons to all the above points are in the original post. explained pretty well. |
ah_rin said: EdgyLord666 said: Sorry, maybe I missed it because it's too long, can you list those flaws as short as possible? nah then it wouldn't have been fun to write. or can i? the dude dying was pointless could've been prevented. if you're looking for something creatively fresh. instead of subverting expectations, they could've just not made it an isekai. people watch isekai to self insert. the show shat on males. there was clear yuri... which is fine, but its existence is not a debate. no matter how hard i tried, i thought it was impossible to justify the killings. which is weird cuz i was fine with the AOT genocide. this show couldnt convince me that killing the other world's people was the only way. the reasons to all the above points are in the original post. explained pretty well. Well, that's certainly easier to read, however yes, those are also subjective. |
what about it was subjective? the dude being killed could've been prevented? it was just a logical outcome. there being GL wasn't subjective. not making it an isekai was a possibility and a suggestive remark. the show shat on dudes, i think i got some examples of those in. people watch isekai to self insert? i mean im pretty sure the majority do. isekai is famous cuz people want to see someone get a second chance at a less mundane life where the relatable character actually matters to the world they then become a part of. dismissing everything as being subjective isn't really idk.... just feels iffy. |
ViciousAnime_ said: It’s mostly subjective. You’re thinking about stuff wayy too logically and getting too emotional over it. The dude being killed was just an interesting way to introduce her job, I wouldn’t think too much about that. I’m guessing they don’t kill them immediately because they don’t know what kind of power they have. Whether or not it’s GL doesn’t matter imo—romance isn’t really a major or minor part of the story. Main characters tend to be the most attractive people in their world so they can stand out, and there aren’t any male main characters, so they’re not gonna bother making super attractive male characters that we won’t see again. I do think this show barely feels like an isekai, so they probably could’ve not made it an isekai. Either way, in general, I agree that the show really wasn’t that great, but I think you’re critiquing the wrong things. Lmao i mean i disliked the show, so i just kept on finding flaws. so yeah its definitely nitpicky. rather than emotional i would call it me being anal, cuz the show was that annoying to sit through. again, the things that were subjective, i did say were objective. most if not all dudes were straight up ugly in the show. there were many non main female characters who were still half attractive. idk why im complaining about this, but in the back of my head i keep on imagining a gremlin charadesigner going like fufufu fck the guys. romance or rather some sort of twisted adoration is akaris main motivation through this, so i would say its pretty substantial. i don't particular mind that tho. they don't immediately kill them because they want to know their powers. do you reckon there was no other way of doing that than what they did. in my eyes it was a cheap baiting attempt. the writer wanted u to relate to the dude in the first 6 minutes. only do go like BOOM THEY DEAD NOW! girls only haha normies. that isn't a subversion of expectations as much as it is a fck u. just because they do somethings to make a show different. doesn't mean that the things they did actually increased the quality of the show. |
The fact that you're thinking all of those as flaws is subjective. |
TheCupSlammer said: did u watch the last few episodes? coz they spent the whole ending of the show excentuating that destruction that the human errors are capable of at even a fraction of their power... i think this makes killing them not a just or right solution, but a viable one. the fact is that people are warped by fear and the fact that the human errors almosted elliminated the entire population of that world. im not claiming th at this is the only way, because it isnt. the show is intended to paint the church as the villains, because quite frankly they are bad people. but they are also justifiably terrorfied. isekai was not made for self inserts... i think every single popular isekai deviates from this norm, for example tensura, log horizon, rezero, mushoku tensei. their protagonists are all well fleshed out and interesting characters with role i could never fit myself in, and while that is just my perspective i think that is what makes them so popular. and besides, whi made it a rule that if ur gonna make an isekai it has to be done a certain way. the show plays with you, showing what you expect before snatching it away and making it more interesting. im not gonna deny that this show shts on men a lot, but i still think that an all female cast is interesting and i dont think its shting on them because they're males. i can see why ud have a problem with this but i personally dont. yuri was never a problem... i do think that there is merit to killing of mitsuki (pretty sure thats his name). while yes it was cruel to give him hope, there arent a lot of ways to make someone trust you without appearing friendly. this was important as he stated that he didnt have a power. after that menou had to confirm that, the only way being to get him to open up to her. if he didnt have a power she probably would have let him live. the other thing to take into consideration is that as soon as he discovered that je had power, his tone very clearly shifts to a mallicious one. if hes that crazy without the soul degredation that comes with the pure concepts, can you imagine how many people he would have killed?. obviously this is just my analysis of it, but i think the fact that this show breaks the mold works more in its favour than against it. i watched the last couple of episodes. and i saw how akari's power, the one that was speculated to be bad helped out in solving a crisis caused by something native to the world. when they did the getsuga tenshou thing. i never said that the other worlders weren't dangerous. but there were way better ways to go about it. like i said, if the kingdom was summoning them why not use one of the summoned people, to either kill the one responsible for summoning, or destroying the equipment required for summoning. that would take a single sacrifice and the whole problem would get nullified. idk if its a good solution or not, since i came up with it on the spot, but to a viewer it at least seems viable. i think the terror is justified. but why is that terror only limited to the members and the citizens. don't the nobles know that an entire continent got deleted by one of the other worlders? any logical person would stop the summoning if not for their kingdom and power, then for their lives. all it takes is one pissed otherworlder to destroy the people summoning them. look im pretty familiar with doctrination. and how menou truly believes that her evil actions are for the greater good. pardon the vanilla comparison, but AOT had some vile indoctrination and hardcore manipulation. but i was able to see why but no matter how much they wanted me to understand their evil actions in this show, i kept on going back to thinking how stupid they were in just combatting the most surface-level issue of their being summoned people. instead of giving the nobles more than just a slap on the wrist for summoning them. also the thing about the guy. whose thought process do you think is more fcked up? a guy thinking about bashing the people who summoned him away from his peaceful life and then letting him to rot after realising he had nothing to offer, basically telling him to starve to death in the world outside. orrr a girl who wanted to kill an innocent dude for no reason whatsoever except for he might nullify existence altogether? without even talking to him out of it! look, this whole anime just followed a bunch of idiotic unrelatable very hateable glorified terrorists. it was so stupid. |
speters13 said: I could see why you didn’t like it, personally the yuri/girls love didn’t bother me too much. It seemed like girl besties to me, and many anime have had characters fawn over each other how characters here do. I didn’t really notice that the dudes were ugly tbh haha. I still don’t understand the complaint about killing off the isekaid boy in the first episode. If you don’t like the fact that the isekai’d boy was killed, then you just have a default dislike for the premise of the show and I would think it isn’t for you. Besides, the isekai’d girl is still a main character. Personally, I found it’s premise unique and interesting, which was why I continued watching. Since it was only the first season/cour, not enough has happened for me to say it’s a definite watch, but the story and worldbuilding was interesting to me. I’m glad that it isn’t your default self insert protagonist as we have plenty of those. I also enjoyed the moral dilemma the priestesses have. They know killing people before they committed a crime is wrong, but have experienced great calamities by letting those isekaid live and go out of control. I also suspect in later arcs that this will be an internal conflict for Menou and possibly more priestesses. To be honest, I don’t see the point in watching a show you already disliked due to the basic premise of the show and the fact that the girls have crushes on each other. At that point why even continue to watch? The show was upfront with both of those things. first of all i don't mind girls having a crush on each other. birdie wing dynamics slapped. second of all the thing with isekaied people going out of control was completely offsetted by the fact akari existed. she was reasonable throughout the show. and im sure the dude would have been reasonable too if they didn't kill him off just for shock points. i think that's the problem i had. the death of the dude was just for shock value. it added absolutely nothing. there must've been better ways to introduce menou's motive than killing him off. i think i mentioned it earlier, but the entire point of the dude was to get self inserted into. he was a hook. if you couldn't self-insert in him, then you wouldn't have gotten shocked, and gotten intrigued. but because they invested the most crucial moments of the anime into just pure shock value, they cemented menou as a hateable character. doesn't mean that everyone hates her, but u now have more reasons to dislike her than like her. |
whut? the fact that you thought something before writing that is subjective. |
TheCupSlammer said: first of all, pandemonium is a lost one as well, she is one of the human errors that made the world lose faith in the lost ones, so no the threat wasnt native to that world. akari literally only helped because she has a sick and unhealthy obsession with menou killing her, which while not entirly atributed to it is ultimatly the result of akaris powers. she only seemed reasonable because she desperatly wants to stay with menou and wont do anything to antagonise her. in terms of the summoning equipment, that can always be remade, but the only reason it was made in the first place was orwells selfish power trip, it isnt a common occurance in that world and as mentioned previously, there are other ways for lost ones to arrive in that world. the church are the ones that know how to summon people and we have no evidence of them doing so throughout the show. i agree about the nobility, they're stupid power hungry idiots that only care about themselves. but its not like there arebt people like that irl, and even previous nobility has acted that way. i dont believe we know what punishment the king got so it may not have been a slap on the wrist and was likely execution. umm... might i just point out how terrorfying it would be to try to talk someone who can literally erase you from existance out of killing someone would be? i dont think there is a person alive that would want to try that... and also what would your argument even be, i dont see a compelling reason that might stop him from killing people. and the more he uses his powers the fked up he becomes. i can understand his reasoning but i can understand menous reasoning just as much. i think it really all comes down to how selfish people are. i dont just think menou killed him because it 'was for the greater good' i think it was also just straight up self preservation that contributed. i think the show is done really well because much like AOT i cant think of a single 'right' answer to their issues, and while yes it is entirely their ancestors fault, the same goes for AOT so what i got out of the first part is that the only reason they decided to work with akari, for the time being, is because shes batshit crazy. akari has thus far been the most messed up character in the show, who is only getting saved by plot armour and well, because shes the cute character. don't get me wrong, out of all the characters, shes the most interesting one. but i think that shes definitely getting preferential treatment as an f u to everyone else. would i want to reason with someone who can nullify me rather than attempt to kill him? yeah. any way u look at it, the way most likely to survive that is by talking. menou survived by pure chance (or should i say, plot armour) in the first episode. the dude could've nullified his death and the continent. there are selfish people, sure. but everyone that selfish and hungry for power, is obsessed with their safety. there was a king that made his servants sleep on the bed before him just to check if the sheets were poisoned or not (i think). the nobles are just inexplicable idiots. the equipment could be destroyed, but then repaired, and destroyed again. until they run out of funds. or simpler, kill the people who actually know how summoning works. they barely addressed the root problems. it was just killing one victim after another. and that's what sucked for me. the people she was offing were the victims. it was just one victim killing other victims caused by the first victim. lol, i didn't understand ymir's obsession either. but i could understand eren's thought process, since he was the one we were actually following. did he do some messed up shi- yeah. but can i see his side properly, yeah. look if i liked the show i wouldn't be nitpicky about it. and im approaching this not as much as a viewer but as a writer. so yeah i am unnecessarily anal about it. just something about this pissed me off. |
| This might end up being a long post, but I'm gonna go through your post bit by bit so it's more readable. It's true that, like you said, most of your problems with the show are subjective, but some of them are without a sound basis. I'll skip the ones that aren't. - This is a big one; not all isekais are meant to be a self-insert story. It might be how the genre got most popularized, but in many cases it's just a setting that allows for interesting stories to be told. I honestly think this anime's take on the isekai aspect was very refreshing and really interesting, and the people who got mad that the boring self-insert guy died in the beginning should take some time to reflect and work on themselves so they would stop needing a pathetic self-insert character at all. "point is you're watching a genre that you can insert your virgin wimpy ass into" - not really. The entire point of starting from the boring guy's perspective and then killing him is to show us that this is not meant to be a self-insert show. I can't really comment on people that watched this specifically for the GL aspect though, since that wasn't what kept me watching. Now onto the two things you mentioned by number: 1. They don't have any reason to risk letting them live. The Lost Ones gradually lose their memories and their minds as they use their Pure Concepts, and they've destroyed entire continents and brought down civilizations because of this (the civilizations before the 4 Major Human Errors happened were a lot more advanced; why should they risk another apocalypse?). And yes, there are people who use Lost Ones as "tools" - the guy in the first episode was initially summoned to be used as a tool by that kingdom, after all - but since they lose their minds as they use their powers, they're bound to eventually go berserk, so the ones who are used as "tools" are quite literally USED, usually as human materials for taboo conjurings or human sacrifices (since they have Pure Concepts and lots of energy). Killing them is the most sensible and logical choice. 2. I haven't read the first volume of the light novel so I can't say for sure why Menou went about killing him in that manner (like whether that's just her usual method or she wanted some confirmation that killing him was "necessary"), but I can comment on the mom - The reason Flare only killed the mom, and did it at that time, is because Flare is a full-on by the book executioner. She probably got the order to kill the mom, did it, and then left, leaving the kid because she wasn't taboo. This might sound dumb, but executioners' jobs are exterminating taboos, not preventing future problems. I suppose that's just how Flare (and maybe most exectutioners) act. - "ah bonus complaint about his death, why give him such a cool power before killing him? that power's literally every chuuni's fantasy", ok man, now all that talk about "wimpy ass virgins watching this to self-insert" just seems like some serious projecting. - They punished the nobles that summoned the first episode's Lost One. I assume they probably destroyed the summoning thing too. I guess that's it. Please let me know if I'm wrong about something or said something that didn't make sense. Or if you want a shorter version, idk |
DeaneJul 13, 2022 10:43 AM
Deane said: This might end up being a long post, but I'm gonna go through your post bit by bit so it's more readable. It's true that, like you said, most of your problems with the show are subjective, but some of them are without a sound basis. I'll skip the ones that aren't. - This is a big one; not all isekais are meant to be a self-insert story. It might be how the genre got most popularized, but in many cases it's just a setting that allows for interesting stories to be told. I honestly think this anime's take on the isekai aspect was very refreshing and really interesting, and the people who got mad that the boring self-insert guy died in the beginning should take some time to reflect and work on themselves so they would stop needing a pathetic self-insert character at all. "point is you're watching a genre that you can insert your virgin wimpy ass into" - not really. The entire point of starting from the boring guy's perspective and then killing him is to show us that this is not meant to be a self-insert show. I can't really comment on people that watched this specifically for the GL aspect though, since that wasn't what kept me watching. Now onto the two things you mentioned by number: 1. They don't have any reason to risk letting them live. The Lost Ones gradually lose their memories and their minds as they use their Pure Concepts, and they've destroyed entire continents and brought down civilizations because of this (the civilizations before the 4 Major Human Errors happened were a lot more advanced; why should they risk another apocalypse?). And yes, there are people who use Lost Ones as "tools" - the guy in the first episode was initially summoned to be used as a tool by that kingdom, after all - but since they lose their minds as they use their powers, they're bound to eventually go berserk, so the ones who are used as "tools" are quite literally USED, usually as human materials for taboo conjurings or human sacrifices (since they have Pure Concepts and lots of energy). Killing them is the most sensible and logical choice. 2. I haven't read the first volume of the light novel so I can't say for sure why Menou went about killing him in that manner (like whether that's just her usual method or she wanted some confirmation that killing him was "necessary"), but I can comment on the mom - The reason Flare only killed the mom, and did it at that time, is because Flare is a full-on by the book executioner. She probably got the order to kill the mom, did it, and then left, leaving the kid because she wasn't taboo. This might sound dumb, but executioners' jobs are exterminating taboos, not preventing future problems. I suppose that's just how Flare (and maybe most exectutioners) act. - "ah bonus complaint about his death, why give him such a cool power before killing him? that power's literally every chuuni's fantasy", ok man, now all that talk about "wimpy ass virgins watching this to self-insert" just seems like some serious projecting. - They punished the nobles that summoned the first episode's Lost One. I assume they probably destroyed the summoning thing too. I guess that's it. Please let me know if I'm wrong about something or said something that didn't make sense. Or if you want a shorter version, idk there are very few isekai shows that don't have a main character that you can project yourself onto. or rather, isekai fictions as a whole. ive gotten through 100s of manga and lightnovels and most of them do have very grounded normal main characters, who are naive and stick heavily to their sense of morals. most arent badass except for the one power that they get. and that power is usually the one thing that defines them. that's why u can see that most male characters look extremely similar even design-wise. because they're run-of-the-mill characters. slime, and remonster, and overlord and stuff do stand out. because they have somewhat decently developed main characters (by isekai standards) but that doesn't change the fact that before reincarnation the characters weren't extremely normal. isekai is a genre that feeds off relatability, where main characters are stripped of 90% of any semblance of a personality so that the viewer can insert themselves into them. virgin road, killed the main character they spent their crucial first minutes building. giving everyone the statement, that this isn't like any other isekai, when it could have just like... not been an isekai. most of the hate that this show is getting (its getting a decent bit looking at the score) is because its a fantasy show that's trying to push itself under the isekai umbrella. if the first isekai bit didn't exist or say, akari, instead of being an otherworlder, was just an abnormality to this one, most people wouldn't hate it. sure u would have to move a couple of things around and be creative about it but you wouldn't piss off a lot of people. and i think i was crass with the way i phrased it. it wasn't necessarily the people who wanted to self-insert themselves into the megavirgin wimpy mc. i think most people thought that he was an alright guy to follow and wanted to follow the alright guy on his journey. u could say that he was only on the screen for 6 minutes. how could u get attached to him so quickly. well, first impressions matter. imagine if slime started without showing the dude getting killed. suddenly its just a fantasy with an inexplicably intelligent slime. if anything it goes to show that his impression was rather solid within those 6 minutes. you could say that something like this happened in akame ga kill. the characters you wanted to follow just up and poofed. but then akame ga kill showed the ones who poofed the two childhood friends suffer. in this u see an innocent guy die, and the one u r supposed to condemn for killing him turns into the main character. and has a rather eventful and jolly time around the place. this only answered a single thing but if i responded to everything it would take too long but u probably get some of my POV |
SmilingIceCube said: The point was that, as far as the characters are aware, there is no other way. You cannot talk them out of it because eventually there won't be a person to talk to, just a human error. It is not a chance, but rather a certainty. Killing off those who summon (they already are given the death penalty) does nothing because the lost ones still wander over. Now near the end, we are made aware that going back IS possible. Now that the characters know about it, it could be something they try. The problem is, Pandemonium mentioned something about intentionally destroying the world in trying to do it. So it may not actually be feasible. And it could very well lead to them destroying Earth instead of this world. bruh... talking to them is way more than possible. why do yall keep taking such a simple possibility away. they go insane if and only if they use their powers. tell them to not use their powers, and tell them that their brain would literally rot if they used it. show them one of the consequences. any healthy person would be like... alright... i will not willingly commit suicide by using my powers. i mean drugs make u feel good and invincible, but u don't see people who value their lives take meth everyday do u? |
SmilingIceCube said: ah_rin said: bruh... talking to them is way more than possible. why do yall keep taking such a simple possibility away. they go insane if and only if they use their powers. tell them to not use their powers, and tell them that their brain would literally rot if they used it. show them one of the consequences. any healthy person would be like... alright... i will not willingly commit suicide by using my powers. i mean drugs make u feel good and invincible, but u don't see people who value their lives take meth everyday do u? I don't recall it being stated anywhere that the degradation happens if and only if the powers are used. My understanding was that pure concepts are too much for a human to house and so erode their soul. Using the power only speeds it up. im pretty sure that without using the pure concepts the mind degradation is very slow to negligible. if it wasn't akari wouldn't function as a main character. the work would be tiny. the mother who got killed also stayed in the world for quite a bit while remaining sane. |
ah_rin said: Deane said: This might end up being a long post, but I'm gonna go through your post bit by bit so it's more readable. It's true that, like you said, most of your problems with the show are subjective, but some of them are without a sound basis. I'll skip the ones that aren't. - This is a big one; not all isekais are meant to be a self-insert story. It might be how the genre got most popularized, but in many cases it's just a setting that allows for interesting stories to be told. I honestly think this anime's take on the isekai aspect was very refreshing and really interesting, and the people who got mad that the boring self-insert guy died in the beginning should take some time to reflect and work on themselves so they would stop needing a pathetic self-insert character at all. "point is you're watching a genre that you can insert your virgin wimpy ass into" - not really. The entire point of starting from the boring guy's perspective and then killing him is to show us that this is not meant to be a self-insert show. I can't really comment on people that watched this specifically for the GL aspect though, since that wasn't what kept me watching. Now onto the two things you mentioned by number: 1. They don't have any reason to risk letting them live. The Lost Ones gradually lose their memories and their minds as they use their Pure Concepts, and they've destroyed entire continents and brought down civilizations because of this (the civilizations before the 4 Major Human Errors happened were a lot more advanced; why should they risk another apocalypse?). And yes, there are people who use Lost Ones as "tools" - the guy in the first episode was initially summoned to be used as a tool by that kingdom, after all - but since they lose their minds as they use their powers, they're bound to eventually go berserk, so the ones who are used as "tools" are quite literally USED, usually as human materials for taboo conjurings or human sacrifices (since they have Pure Concepts and lots of energy). Killing them is the most sensible and logical choice. 2. I haven't read the first volume of the light novel so I can't say for sure why Menou went about killing him in that manner (like whether that's just her usual method or she wanted some confirmation that killing him was "necessary"), but I can comment on the mom - The reason Flare only killed the mom, and did it at that time, is because Flare is a full-on by the book executioner. She probably got the order to kill the mom, did it, and then left, leaving the kid because she wasn't taboo. This might sound dumb, but executioners' jobs are exterminating taboos, not preventing future problems. I suppose that's just how Flare (and maybe most exectutioners) act. - "ah bonus complaint about his death, why give him such a cool power before killing him? that power's literally every chuuni's fantasy", ok man, now all that talk about "wimpy ass virgins watching this to self-insert" just seems like some serious projecting. - They punished the nobles that summoned the first episode's Lost One. I assume they probably destroyed the summoning thing too. I guess that's it. Please let me know if I'm wrong about something or said something that didn't make sense. Or if you want a shorter version, idk there are very few isekai shows that don't have a main character that you can project yourself onto. or rather, isekai fictions as a whole. ive gotten through 100s of manga and lightnovels and most of them do have very grounded normal main characters, who are naive and stick heavily to their sense of morals. most arent badass except for the one power that they get. and that power is usually the one thing that defines them. that's why u can see that most male characters look extremely similar even design-wise. because they're run-of-the-mill characters. slime, and remonster, and overlord and stuff do stand out. because they have somewhat decently developed main characters (by isekai standards) but that doesn't change the fact that before reincarnation the characters weren't extremely normal. isekai is a genre that feeds off relatability, where main characters are stripped of 90% of any semblance of a personality so that the viewer can insert themselves into them. virgin road, killed the main character they spent their crucial first minutes building. giving everyone the statement, that this isn't like any other isekai, when it could have just like... not been an isekai. most of the hate that this show is getting (its getting a decent bit looking at the score) is because its a fantasy show that's trying to push itself under the isekai umbrella. if the first isekai bit didn't exist or say, akari, instead of being an otherworlder, was just an abnormality to this one, most people wouldn't hate it. sure u would have to move a couple of things around and be creative about it but you wouldn't piss off a lot of people. and i think i was crass with the way i phrased it. it wasn't necessarily the people who wanted to self-insert themselves into the megavirgin wimpy mc. i think most people thought that he was an alright guy to follow and wanted to follow the alright guy on his journey. u could say that he was only on the screen for 6 minutes. how could u get attached to him so quickly. well, first impressions matter. imagine if slime started without showing the dude getting killed. suddenly its just a fantasy with an inexplicably intelligent slime. if anything it goes to show that his impression was rather solid within those 6 minutes. you could say that something like this happened in akame ga kill. the characters you wanted to follow just up and poofed. but then akame ga kill showed the ones who poofed the two childhood friends suffer. in this u see an innocent guy die, and the one u r supposed to condemn for killing him turns into the main character. and has a rather eventful and jolly time around the place. this only answered a single thing but if i responded to everything it would take too long but u probably get some of my POV Don't worry about not mentioning everything, it was a pretty long reply. Thanks for replying back! While everything you said about isekais is true, it isn't always that way, and being that way isn't what defines the genre. If it didn't have the problematic otherworlders it would just be a completely different story. They didn't "kill the main character they spent their crucial first minutes building", he wasn't the main character to begin with. That was their way of showing that no, this isn't a self-insert story, and it isn't a standard isekai plot either. In fact, this anime isn't even categorized as an isekai here on MAL. If Akari was just "abnormal" and not an otherworlder, the entire premise of the story (and the entire world, which speaks japanese and is a mix of japanese culture and medieval elements) would be completely different. This isn't worth discussing, since it just wouldn't be the same story anymore. I personally thought it was a brilliant introduction to the main character, what she does, and what otherworlders CAN do. I assume this show's average score is this low mostly because of the people who didn't read the synopsis and got mad because they expected a typical isekai self-insert story but got something actually creative and different. I say this because most of this anime's threads after the first episode were exactly that, and they already bumped the score quite low. Of course, there are also people like you who would rather follow the "alright guy" on a journey than the bloodstained executioner, but that's subjective and just personal preference. Just because the author wanted to make something different doesn't mean it's a flaw. 3 of the 4 main reviews on the anime's page are great scores (one even a 10/10), while the fourth one is from RebelPanda, someone who is known for being VERY critical. The light novel even won a big award: the first GA Bunko Grand Prix in 6 years. What I mean by this is that average score doesn't mean everything. I dropped Akame Ga Kill on the 4th or 5th episode, so I can't really comment on that. So yeah, again, I thought what they did in the first episode made it a brilliant introduction to the main character, what she does, and what otherworlders CAN do. She kills innocent people because it's the most logical thing to do given the context, and if that makes you not want to follow her journey, I suppose this just isn't the story for you. Subjectivity is ok. |
DeaneJul 13, 2022 1:18 PM
| My problem with this show was the fact that they leave way too many of my questions unanswered: "What really happened to the 4 human errors? Who's the ivory hero? Why does Flare appear in the last seconds of the final episode and what are her powers?", and probably many more. Also, most likely this show will not get a second season, I'm not sure if it was popular in Japan, but outside, quite a lot of people hated it. |
Nah, that's actually objective. |
zera_scarlet said: My problem with this show was the fact that they leave way too many of my questions unanswered: "What really happened to the 4 human errors? Who's the ivory hero? Why does Flare appear in the last seconds of the final episode and what are her powers?", and probably many more. Also, most likely this show will not get a second season, I'm not sure if it was popular in Japan, but outside, quite a lot of people hated it. That's the problem of 90% non-original anime adaptation. |
| Ok, here's the true expert about the series XD. I'll try going point for point, the post is pretty long. As if for the show is yuri. Technically, no, there is definitely a romantic subtext developing but there aren't stuff as theya ctually getting in relationships or kissing or stuff, so yeah, it is more a "Shoujo Ai" than anything. Em, um, I don't know what to say to this, isekais aren't just to self-insert, what? So yeah, you can't come to a series expecting to self insert and even less if you read the synopsis or even watched the poster of the series where that guy (Mitsuki) wasn't even there. You know, that no matter how you bring people to that worls it would be an isekai no? Like if they come form another world and get trapped in there it is an isekai, so basically, no there isn't another way to get people into that world without being an isekai because bringing people from another world to that is the very definition of isekai. And the score is irrelevant either way. About the things that bother you, no they need to kill them, as you watched in nthe very first episode they can even accidentaly destroy towns, they are walking nuclear bombs that can explode at any time. "Better safe than sorry" as they say you know? Besides Mitsuki said that he could take revenge on those guys, so he pretty much wasn't going to do anything good with his powers. Also about the isekai'd milf, Lost Ones are taboo, and as said above one never knows when they can just use their powers to do stuff. Why not killing the daughter was explained in the very same flashback, she isn't taboo therefore there isn't a need to kill her, she doesn't have powers. What would she do to take revenge when Flare is basically one of the strongest Executioners? Besides it was only in this time that Manon could take revenge because she found Pandemonium, every other single time she didn't do it because she doesn't have powers and only got them for Pandemonium. I won't comment on the characters since liking them is very subjective, so I can get why you wouldn't like someone who have to kill as their work. Why give him cool powers? Because the Lost Ones have cool powers in general, they are supposed to be broken. Baically not much of a reason. You know in most series guys are like a 6/10 at best, right? So yeah, these characters that weren't important could look ugly if they wanted. Easy, Lost Ones can come even without summoning by some kind of error in the Astral Vein that can still bring them to the world. So even if destroyed (actually, I don't think we were ever told what happened to that) there could still be Lost Ones. I get disliking the show, like, I have seen a lot of people disliking it just because they killed the guy in the first episode, at least you gave much better reasons for disliking it and can get what you're saying (even if I think some point you said can be explained by the series itself). Sorry if there are spelling mistakes, I wrote this pretty fast and don't want to check the grammar. |
| I wanna put a big old reply since i think ive come to a conclusion here. here are the issues i gathered after reading most everything. 1. they had to be isekaied 2. there was no way to control their appearance. 3. mennou was justified. 4. isekaied people couldn't be reasoned with now some other things. there seem to be people who are confused about the yuri thing altho im pretty sure i stated it clearly. i don't mind yuri. i thought that its cute when it can be cute. i also said that it wasn't hard enough to be called yuri, maybe hard enough to be called GL... or shoujo ai. also with the isekai thing, im sure i said most. and if you still disagree with that, watch more isekai. i can name 20 with naive virgin self-insert main characters. isekai can be more, but as it is right now, it exists to scratch the 'i wish that were me' fantasy for the majority of the people watching it. now let me consider the 4 points i stated above and suggest how i would've started the show. this is not my attempt at fixing the beginning. ive just been studying anime writing/scripts lately, and i don't think its impossible to say that the starting could have been done better. maybe or rather definitely my interpretation is not better than the anime itself... im not a pro. but i mean, who's stopping me. i would start off with the girl who turned everything into cocaine. showing how she got transported into the world, followed by a 5 minute montage of her friends. maybe longer since we can get rid of the whole church scene altogether. say we follow her happy story for 10 minutes of her having a jolly free time with her nakama making the viewers think shes the mc, which then cuts to the scene of a the cocaine landscape with people dying all around her, and the red hair executioner cornering her. that would provide shock value and make the viewers cement that someone innocent could bring the world down on a whim. because at this point even they are aware that innocent or not they are big threats. this being the message in the first couple of minutes would really hammer it down. later we could show her dying as menou just watched over emotionless. then a small conversation between flare and menou... followed by a small montage of menou growing up while killing otherworlders. including the guy as a little easter egg. this makes akari fully justified in my eyes. anyways this gets her to the assignment of killing akari. and then the rest of the story. if it were up to me, i would also make menou not be so passive. and actively hate the ones shes murdering. but i think this would have made the show less uhh... off putting for a lot of people. while giving them sufficient shock value. i think introducing a character who has no impact on the show whatsoever or the characters, and killing him off for shockvalue is something u see in cheap horror films. again i wont say this is the best way, i made this up in as much time as it took for me to write this. im just suggesting that there might have been better ways to go about them. now the argument saying that it had to be an isekai. again this is just a quick alternative not to be taken seriously. how about an island that is low on resources and locked my miles upon miles of ocean. one filled with strong people, some who have pure concepts. maybe the sole route that connects the island to the mainland got destroyed by the mainlanders. giving them a reason to condemn the mainlanders. what if the astral thing calls the people with pure concepts onto the mainland. then these people who condemn the people of the mainland could be an actual threat instead of being innocent. this was just to demonstrate a point. there are things that would require changing. im not asking for yall to find flaws in this going like ' but then they should have destroyed the island '. ik the flaws of this way of going about things. but there are ways that you can work around them. i just don't have the patience to work around all of them. for example the last one which i pointed out, you could just get rid of the brain rot thing. these people are dangerous inherently you don't need moral degeneration. akari could be one of the people that wishes to cooperate. after all not every citizen who lives in a country is patriotic. thing is there are ways to go about it. and i was definitely nitpicky. i wouldn't have been nitpicky if the show made a good first impression. which in my eyes it didnt. stupid show. im done lol. |
ah_rinJul 15, 2022 4:41 AM
| You should give "100-man no Inochi no Ue ni Ore wa Tatteiru" and "Munou na Nana" a chance, if you had so much to get off your chest, after watching this anime. |
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