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Dec 29, 2021 7:29 AM
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This is a follow-up to the forum below:
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1972667

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2021-12-28/tokyo-twenty-fourth-ward-chief-animation-director-is-pessimistic-about-the-animation-quality/.181025
>>> Being the LAST announced of the Winter's 3 shows lot (after Sono Bisque Doll (the best allocated production) and Akebi (the decent/OK production)) SHOULD give an idea how daunting of a crunch job this is, ESPECIALLY FOR AN ORIGINAL.

Tweet from chief animation director Kiminori Itō:
https://twitter.com/kiminori114514/status/1473304393558925316

CloverWorks has 3 shows coming out this Winter:
Sono Bisque Doll
Akebi's Sailor Uniform
This one
Just announced: Bocchi the Rock! for 2022 release.

CloverWorks, are you trying to attempt the best of the worse? No, we shouldn't blame them because they were part of the supply chain to get the short end of the stick.

HOWEVER, Aniplex, BETTER GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER and not push anymore of these animators' works, you're killing their livelihood.
You can start fighting with Kadokawa with their insane 40 anime/year record.
KANLen09Dec 30, 2021 9:01 AM
Dec 29, 2021 7:36 AM
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Fuck Cloverwork gonna screw up all the potential possibly good animes like this year too :(? Idk if theyre insane to air 3-4 animes in one season which also happens this year too ( only 3 I think) and I'm really worried about the staff members tbh plus neither of these anime looks promosing because of all these news that lowers my expectation quite a lot so I might as well remove them from my list if it's poorly executed.
Dec 29, 2021 7:48 AM
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Ok umm- you lost me after something about bad news

Can you explain it to me what exactly happened
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Dec 29, 2021 8:03 AM
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CQLLIST said:
Fuck Cloverwork gonna screw up all the potential possibly good animes like this year too :(? Idk if theyre insane to air 3-4 animes in one season which also happens this year too ( only 3 I think) and I'm really worried about the staff members tbh plus neither of these anime looks promosing because of all these news that lowers my expectation quite a lot so I might as well remove them from my list if it's poorly executed.


Yeah...and the effort the creators and the staff put into these anime will go into vain.GREAT!!. ...Bro we can't stop the companies from overloading their staffs(if we can please try it) but atleast we can encourage the staff by giving appreciation to their work...c'mon man don't talk like a kid!!
Dec 29, 2021 8:05 AM
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God-_- said:
Ok umm- you lost me after something about bad news

Can you explain it to me what exactly happened
Go read the forum that was followed-up to, start from here:
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1972667
Dec 29, 2021 8:05 AM
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Wow. The just sent an animator to the hospital twice this year and they still decide to push it next year.
WTF Aniplex? Are you not satisfied with pushing A-1 Pictures that you now decide to push your other child as well?
Together, M***A and Aniplex try to improve their working condition. The only difference is one is going towards the right way while one is going towards the wrong way. Good job.
CQLLIST said:
Fuck Cloverwork gonna screw up all the potential possibly good animes like this year too :(?
Do CloverWorks want this to happen or not, we don’t know. But seem like Aniplex want.
AbelDandeDec 29, 2021 8:10 AM
Dec 29, 2021 10:41 AM
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Ah shit just when I thought that maybe just maybe Cloverworks could redeem itself but nope
Dec 29, 2021 10:59 PM
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Jayanthlovesanim said:
CQLLIST said:
Fuck Cloverwork gonna screw up all the potential possibly good animes like this year too :(? Idk if theyre insane to air 3-4 animes in one season which also happens this year too ( only 3 I think) and I'm really worried about the staff members tbh plus neither of these anime looks promosing because of all these news that lowers my expectation quite a lot so I might as well remove them from my list if it's poorly executed.


Yeah...and the effort the creators and the staff put into these anime will go into vain.GREAT!!. ...Bro we can't stop the companies from overloading their staffs(if we can please try it) but atleast we can encourage the staff by giving appreciation to their work...c'mon man don't talk like a kid!!
finally someone with comman sense and logic
Dec 30, 2021 8:47 AM
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KANLen09 said:
This is a follow-up to the forum below:
CloverWorks has NOT 3 BUT 4 shows coming out this Winter:
Sono Bisque Doll
Akebi's Sailor Uniform
This one
Bocchi the Rock! (Just announced for February) / Wikipedia Page for Bocchi the Rock!


Bocchi the Rock! was announced in Feb (Feb 2021), not for Feb. It hasn't been announced in which season it will be airing.
Dec 30, 2021 9:00 AM

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@wilfang amended.
Jan 1, 2022 4:01 AM
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Better this to be delayed or else...
Jan 1, 2022 8:15 AM
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AbelDande said:
Wow. The just sent an animator to the hospital twice this year and they still decide to push it next year.
WTF Aniplex? Are you not satisfied with pushing A-1 Pictures that you now decide to push your other child as well?
Together, M***A and Aniplex try to improve their working condition. The only difference is one is going towards the right way while one is going towards the wrong way. Good job.
CQLLIST said:
Fuck Cloverwork gonna screw up all the potential possibly good animes like this year too :(?
Do CloverWorks want this to happen or not, we don’t know. But seem like Aniplex want.


don't know where you got that mappa is trying to improve working conditions since mappa is as the same as aniplex lmao.
Jan 1, 2022 8:44 AM
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KANLen09 said:
This is a follow-up to the forum below:
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1972667

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2021-12-28/tokyo-twenty-fourth-ward-chief-animation-director-is-pessimistic-about-the-animation-quality/.181025
>>> Being the LAST announced of the Winter's 3 shows lot (after Sono Bisque Doll (the best allocated production) and Akebi (the decent/OK production)) SHOULD give an idea how daunting of a crunch job this is, ESPECIALLY FOR AN ORIGINAL.

Tweet from chief animation director Kiminori Itō:
https://twitter.com/kiminori114514/status/1473304393558925316

CloverWorks has 3 shows coming out this Winter:
Sono Bisque Doll
Akebi's Sailor Uniform
This one
Just announced: Bocchi the Rock! for 2022 release.

CloverWorks, are you trying to attempt the best of the worse? No, we shouldn't blame them because they were part of the supply chain to get the short end of the stick.

HOWEVER, Aniplex, BETTER GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER and not push anymore of these animators' works, you're killing their livelihood.
You can start fighting with Kadokawa with their insane 40 anime/year record.



86 , Sk8 and even the case of vinitas had all average schedules last year because of aniplex too hope osuma ranking won't be affected too since it's a 2 cour anime.
Jan 1, 2022 8:44 PM

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What's up with Cloverworks now...
They are also working on Spy x Family together with Wit.

I hope they're not overworking their staffs by trying to be the next Mappa...
Jan 4, 2022 8:05 PM

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@todd2580 I would say that 86 is heavily affected by Aniplex's decisions.

Ousama Ranking, even though it's an Aniplex-branded production, it's on a different TV station so it wasn't affected. Same thing with Sk8, the latter 2 are saved because of their TV broadcast stations, while 86 being on a major TV station (Tokyo MX) suffers heavily.
Jan 4, 2022 8:06 PM

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Rickydory123 said:
What's up with Cloverworks now...
They are also working on Spy x Family together with Wit.

I hope they're not overworking their staffs by trying to be the next Mappa...
Sorry man, it's never gonna be good going forward. Once it was MAPPA, then it's Kadokawa, now it's Aniplex joining the reigns also to be the most competitive in the industry.
Jan 5, 2022 1:07 AM
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CQLLIST said:
Fuck Cloverwork gonna screw up all the potential possibly good animes like this year too :(? Idk if theyre insane to air 3-4 animes in one season which also happens this year too ( only 3 I think) and I'm really worried about the staff members tbh plus neither of these anime looks promosing because of all these news that lowers my expectation quite a lot so I might as well remove them from my list if it's poorly executed.
last year cloverworks did 3 series and a movie if i remember correctly and the 3 series were all winter season so maybe that will be the case this time too or something simmilar?
Jan 5, 2022 7:24 AM
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KANLen09 said:
@todd2580 I would say that 86 is heavily affected by Aniplex's decisions.

Ousama Ranking, even though it's an Aniplex-branded production, it's on a different TV station so it wasn't affected. Same thing with Sk8, the latter 2 are saved because of their TV broadcast stations, while 86 being on a major TV station (Tokyo MX) suffers heavily.


Sk8 had a rough schedule as well.
Jan 5, 2022 2:57 PM
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KANLen09 said:
@todd2580 I would say that 86 is heavily affected by Aniplex's decisions.

Ousama Ranking, even though it's an Aniplex-branded production, it's on a different TV station so it wasn't affected. Same thing with Sk8, the latter 2 are saved because of their TV broadcast stations, while 86 being on a major TV station (Tokyo MX) suffers heavily.


sk8 in and Vanitas in their second half had a tightener schedules as well but wasn't that noticeable since bones was capable for covering them hope the second cour of vanitas won't have the same issue but aniplex is aniplex.
Jan 5, 2022 11:10 PM
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The problem is not that CLW is doing 3 titles in a season (since they are being handled by different production lines) but the unbelievably tight schedules surrounding each title.

https://twitter.com/Bloodyredstar/status/1478711242487439366?t=ZTGaWQWO4nOVHtIvONd04Q&s=19
Jan 6, 2022 8:22 AM
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KANLen09 said:
This is a follow-up to the forum below:
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1972667

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2021-12-28/tokyo-twenty-fourth-ward-chief-animation-director-is-pessimistic-about-the-animation-quality/.181025
>>> Being the LAST announced of the Winter's 3 shows lot (after Sono Bisque Doll (the best allocated production) and Akebi (the decent/OK production)) SHOULD give an idea how daunting of a crunch job this is, ESPECIALLY FOR AN ORIGINAL.

Tweet from chief animation director Kiminori Itō:
https://twitter.com/kiminori114514/status/1473304393558925316

CloverWorks has 3 shows coming out this Winter:
Sono Bisque Doll
Akebi's Sailor Uniform
This one
Just announced: Bocchi the Rock! for 2022 release.

CloverWorks, are you trying to attempt the best of the worse? No, we shouldn't blame them because they were part of the supply chain to get the short end of the stick.

HOWEVER, Aniplex, BETTER GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER and not push anymore of these animators' works, you're killing their livelihood.
You can start fighting with Kadokawa with their insane 40 anime/year record.


Hol' up. Akebi has ok/decent production and it somehow still looks way better than Dress-Up Darling? (Talking abt wt I've seen from the trailers btw)
Jan 6, 2022 7:57 PM
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KANLen09 said:
Rickydory123 said:
What's up with Cloverworks now...
They are also working on Spy x Family together with Wit.

I hope they're not overworking their staffs by trying to be the next Mappa...
Sorry man, it's never gonna be good going forward. Once it was MAPPA, then it's Kadokawa, now it's Aniplex joining the reigns also to be the most competitive in the industry.
I think mappa is a lot better than cloverworks atleast they don't produce 3 animes per season and they have more employees than cloverworks. I am not defending mappa, i am just giving my opinion coz i saw somewhere that mappa had 270+ employees and cloverworks had 70+.
Jan 7, 2022 5:11 AM
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KANLen09 said:
Sorry man, it's never gonna be good going forward. Once it was MAPPA, then it's Kadokawa, now it's Aniplex joining the reigns also to be the most competitive in the industry.
I think mappa is a lot better than cloverworks atleast they don't produce 3 animes per season and they have more employees than cloverworks. I am not defending mappa, i am just giving my opinion coz i saw somewhere that mappa had 270+ employees and cloverworks had 70+.
Just slightly Better. But they also had the case of working on Yasuke at Bottom Rates.
Jan 8, 2022 2:44 PM

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Its really a shame. What are they thinking?
Jan 9, 2022 3:09 PM
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ItsParth said:
KANLen09 said:
Sorry man, it's never gonna be good going forward. Once it was MAPPA, then it's Kadokawa, now it's Aniplex joining the reigns also to be the most competitive in the industry.
I think mappa is a lot better than cloverworks atleast they don't produce 3 animes per season and they have more employees than cloverworks. I am not defending mappa, i am just giving my opinion coz i saw somewhere that mappa had 270+ employees and cloverworks had 70+.


nope mappa have 50+ animators and most of them are freelancers by contact while the rest of 150+ are production assistants , anime producers and etc.
Jan 9, 2022 11:41 PM

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They never learn, do they? Also, I fear for the worst with their next original project "Tokyo 24-ku". I can sort of understand the ambition of wanting to make a creative, astonishing original anime but honestly, I don't want to see Wonder Egg Priority 2.0 all over again. Not having much expectations for this one.
Feb 3, 2022 4:05 AM
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They never learn, do they? Also, I fear for the worst with their next original project "Tokyo 24-ku". I can sort of understand the ambition of wanting to make a creative, astonishing original anime but honestly, I don't want to see Wonder Egg Priority 2.0 all over again. Not having much expectations for this one.
well at least they got the other two productions down well thye both look gerat and are being adpated well
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Well, in hind-sight, 24th district is going really well so far for being the third anime they started working on for this season. It's probably one of the better new shows this season even. In fact, I'd say every one of the anime they are producing right now is at least decent.
Dec 26, 2022 3:34 PM
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KANLen09 said:
This is a follow-up to the forum below:
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1972667

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2021-12-28/tokyo-twenty-fourth-ward-chief-animation-director-is-pessimistic-about-the-animation-quality/.181025
>>> Being the LAST announced of the Winter's 3 shows lot (after Sono Bisque Doll (the best allocated production) and Akebi (the decent/OK production)) SHOULD give an idea how daunting of a crunch job this is, ESPECIALLY FOR AN ORIGINAL.

Tweet from chief animation director Kiminori Itō:
https://twitter.com/kiminori114514/status/1473304393558925316

CloverWorks has 3 shows coming out this Winter:
Sono Bisque Doll
Akebi's Sailor Uniform
This one
Just announced: Bocchi the Rock! for 2022 release.

CloverWorks, are you trying to attempt the best of the worse? No, we shouldn't blame them because they were part of the supply chain to get the short end of the stick.

HOWEVER, Aniplex, BETTER GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER and not push anymore of these animators' works, you're killing their livelihood.
You can start fighting with Kadokawa with their insane 40 anime/year record.


You consider Akebi just OK quality? Ehhh no offense but really doesn't make me put much in any confidence in what you say
Jan 7, 2023 9:46 AM

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CQLLIST said:
Fuck Cloverwork gonna screw up all the potential possibly good animes like this year too :(? Idk if theyre insane to air 3-4 animes in one season which also happens this year too ( only 3 I think) and I'm really worried about the staff members tbh plus neither of these anime looks promosing because of all these news that lowers my expectation quite a lot so I might as well remove them from my list if it's poorly executed.
and the rest is history
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Foreall908 said:
KANLen09 said:
This is a follow-up to the forum below:
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1972667

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2021-12-28/tokyo-twenty-fourth-ward-chief-animation-director-is-pessimistic-about-the-animation-quality/.181025
>>> Being the LAST announced of the Winter's 3 shows lot (after Sono Bisque Doll (the best allocated production) and Akebi (the decent/OK production)) SHOULD give an idea how daunting of a crunch job this is, ESPECIALLY FOR AN ORIGINAL.

Tweet from chief animation director Kiminori Itō:
https://twitter.com/kiminori114514/status/1473304393558925316

CloverWorks has 3 shows coming out this Winter:
Sono Bisque Doll
Akebi's Sailor Uniform
This one
Just announced: Bocchi the Rock! for 2022 release.

CloverWorks, are you trying to attempt the best of the worse? No, we shouldn't blame them because they were part of the supply chain to get the short end of the stick.

HOWEVER, Aniplex, BETTER GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER and not push anymore of these animators' works, you're killing their livelihood.
You can start fighting with Kadokawa with their insane 40 anime/year record.


You consider Akebi just OK quality? Ehhh no offense but really doesn't make me put much in any confidence in what you say
look at the date
It was said before akebi or anything else got released

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