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Jul 28, 2021 5:17 PM
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I was just thinking if like there was more than one person around him. Would his power show up differently depending on what they think it is or would his power just not work? Does he have to make everyone there believe the same thing?
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I myself am completely unsure of how his power works but this is a theory depending on the next episode preview and some scenes form there, (it could contain spoilers so if anyone reading this hasn’t watched the anime, watch it and come back) so here it is:

Again this is just a theory, I have not read the manga or anything.
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Jul 28, 2021 5:53 PM
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😙😙hey It should be Fantasy anime but not mentioned because I don't know how they got their powers
Jul 28, 2021 7:43 PM
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Example: if the other person think he have the hand gun ability, he will have that. If he think he has the ability of chance a stick into a sword like the guy he fight in episode 1, he will have it. Basically, what the other people think he have, he will have it.
Jul 28, 2021 9:33 PM
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T_ape said:
I was just thinking if like there was more than one person around him. Would his power show up differently depending on what they think it is or would his power just not work? Does he have to make everyone there believe the same thing?
that’s one of the questions the protagonist is trying to find out himself by trying to clarify who exactly the “other person” was
Jul 30, 2021 6:04 PM
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T_ape said:
I was just thinking if like there was more than one person around him. Would his power show up differently depending on what they think it is or would his power just not work? Does he have to make everyone there believe the same thing?
he tested that in the manga so he might in the anime
Aug 3, 2021 12:04 AM
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IF his power is illusion then how come he can cause physical damage to the property and if the physical damage is an illusion then shouldnt it be only visible to those who thought his ability was turn you hand into canon
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Manga reader here,
So in a group situation like you mentioned, basically as long as he focusses on one person, and that person is also focussing on him, then it meets the conditions, he can selectively choose which person to target his ability on, and whatever that person is thinking then it becomes the ability.

Now, about what the 'thinking' really means, it's not like 'believing', if he manages to just make his selected target simply imagine the ability clearly, then he can manifest it. [Spoiler on why the definition of 'thinking' is relevant]


Hope that helps. :)
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Sep 12, 2021 8:44 PM
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Manga reader here,
So in a group situation like you mentioned, basically as long as he focusses on one person, and that person is also focussing on him, then it meets the conditions, he can selectively choose which person to target his ability on, and whatever that person is thinking then it becomes the ability.

Now, about what the 'thinking' really means, it's not like 'believing', if he manages to just make his selected target simply imagine the ability clearly, then he can manifest it. [Spoiler on why the definition of 'thinking' is relevant]


Hope that helps. :)



This is exactly what I was wondering. If he could just think up something crazy and it work. Does it say what the limitations are? Because some things might not seem op but in their situation could be. Like he gets her to imagine that his power is his voice puts anyone who hears it to sleep. It's not one punch and doesn't seem incredible but could still be crazy.
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It's literally bullshitting-powered.
Sep 13, 2021 5:28 AM
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Jyoshiro said:

This is exactly what I was wondering. If he could just think up something crazy and it work. Does it say what the limitations are? Because some things might not seem op but in their situation could be. Like he gets her to imagine that his power is his voice puts anyone who hears it to sleep. It's not one punch and doesn't seem incredible but could still be crazy.


The limitations are imagination of the ability, and being able to physically withstand the power of having the ability.

The ability to make someone fall asleep from a voice is impossible to clearly imagine, how would you imagine the creation of a voice which upon hearing, the soundwaves is able to trigger sleep? How does soundwaves even correlate to sleep? You can only describe it's effect, but to actually think of it perfectly would be impossible, in other words, you can't actually conjure an accurate thought of what the thing is without an easier, and less specific reference, like teleportation, where you just have to think of the person visually being in another place.

About physical capabilities, in the anime we saw him unable to have the quintuple strength ability, same reason he can't just simply upgrade the power strength of his cannon, the cannon he currently has is about as much as he can physically muster, apply the same logic to every other OP power ability, its weakened, or just unimaginable.
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Zephyruzx said:
Jyoshiro said:

This is exactly what I was wondering. If he could just think up something crazy and it work. Does it say what the limitations are? Because some things might not seem op but in their situation could be. Like he gets her to imagine that his power is his voice puts anyone who hears it to sleep. It's not one punch and doesn't seem incredible but could still be crazy.


The limitations are imagination of the ability, and being able to physically withstand the power of having the ability.

The ability to make someone fall asleep from a voice is impossible to clearly imagine, how would you imagine the creation of a voice which upon hearing, the soundwaves is able to trigger sleep? How does soundwaves even correlate to sleep? You can only describe it's effect, but to actually think of it perfectly would be impossible, in other words, you can't actually conjure an accurate thought of what the thing is without an easier, and less specific reference, like teleportation, where you just have to think of the person visually being in another place.

About physical capabilities, in the anime we saw him unable to have the quintuple strength ability, same reason he can't just simply upgrade the power strength of his cannon, the cannon he currently has is about as much as he can physically muster, apply the same logic to every other OP power ability, its weakened, or just unimaginable.


From what the anime showed that argument doesn't make much sense. How is picturing him talking and someone falling asleep more difficult then him changing into another person. All she had to picture was the end result, not the process. Imagining someone talking and someone sleeping is not hard at all.
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Jyoshiro said:


From what the anime showed that argument doesn't make much sense. How is picturing him talking and someone falling asleep more difficult then him changing into another person. All she had to picture was the end result, not the process. Imagining someone talking and someone sleeping is not hard at all.


I think the main reason why the voice to make someone sleep is a more complicated power is because its an ability that doesn't have an effect on the user but instead something that is projected onto a target, which has a specific effect.

Visual imagery is very important here, and is probably the easiest form of imagining something. For example, you can argue that something as complicated as a cannon shouldn't be possible to make, but we know from the anime that due to visual reference it's easy to imagine. The only non-visual exception I can think of is when he copied the quintuple power, but that was due to the fact that she had her own feeling of her own power as reference.

His ability will mostly be based on visually direct things, like transformation and teleportation, or either a copy of someone else's ability as a reference. It won't end up too OP, and things like regeneration, his body won't be able to take.
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Zephyruzx said:
Jyoshiro said:


From what the anime showed that argument doesn't make much sense. How is picturing him talking and someone falling asleep more difficult then him changing into another person. All she had to picture was the end result, not the process. Imagining someone talking and someone sleeping is not hard at all.


I think the main reason why the voice to make someone sleep is a more complicated power is because its an ability that doesn't have an effect on the user but instead something that is projected onto a target, which has a specific effect.

Visual imagery is very important here, and is probably the easiest form of imagining something. For example, you can argue that something as complicated as a cannon shouldn't be possible to make, but we know from the anime that due to visual reference it's easy to imagine. The only non-visual exception I can think of is when he copied the quintuple power, but that was due to the fact that she had her own feeling of her own power as reference.

His ability will mostly be based on visually direct things, like transformation and teleportation, or either a copy of someone else's ability as a reference. It won't end up too OP, and things like regeneration, his body won't be able to take.


What about the telepathy?
Sep 16, 2021 7:21 AM
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Jyoshiro said:

What about the telepathy?


Well, that's direct imagination of their voice in your head. Each other's voices would be used as reference. Imagining voices in your head should be fairly easy since we think with our own words afterall, especially if you've heard the other person's voice before, turning it into a power of direct communication i think wouldn't be difficult.

But I don't think it would be possible to imagine multiple voices at once, since we don't naturally do that anyways. In group coordination, he would have to switch between each person. <-- Though this is just speculation from me lol.
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Zephyruzx said:
Jyoshiro said:

What about the telepathy?


Well, that's direct imagination of their voice in your head. Each other's voices would be used as reference. Imagining voices in your head should be fairly easy since we think with our own words afterall, especially if you've heard the other person's voice before, turning it into a power of direct communication i think wouldn't be difficult.

But I don't think it would be possible to imagine multiple voices at once, since we don't naturally do that anyways. In group coordination, he would have to switch between each person. <-- Though this is just speculation from me lol.


Couldn't it work like how hypnotizing works? He tells her that when she hears his voice she will get sleepy and fall asleep. It would be easy to have it effect her directly. Then from there she has the reference for him to apply the effect to others.
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Jyoshiro said:


Couldn't it work like how hypnotizing works? He tells her that when she hears his voice she will get sleepy and fall asleep. It would be easy to have it effect her directly. Then from there she has the reference for him to apply the effect to others.


Again, it's a two-step process where it's hard to imagine 'from doing something, it would lead to an effect of something else.' It wouldn't be possible for his voice to make her sleepy.

So far all his abilities have been direct one step process stuff. Transform into someone, conjure a cannon, teleport, telepathy. There won't be any ability where 'if he does this specific action, it will effect something in this specific way'.
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