| Abredon pretty much summed it up very nicely. Details are the most interesting parts of a kingdom building story, but this one completely glosses over it. The MC needs something done and it is done. There is no in between, no struggles, it just is done and never mentioned again. For a real kingdom building series, I recommend "Release that Witch". The novel is fully translated and spans over a thousand chapters. You can imagine the amount of details that go into actually building a kingdom just from the length. The biggest problem I have apart from that is that nothing in the world moves. The world is completely dead. They solely exist for the MC to either shit on them, waifu them, or "englighten" them. A good story should have side characters that feel alive and are interesting by themselves. They will often do things according to their own beliefs and progress the story in a way that feels alive. If you look at first few seasons of Game of Thrones, you'll know exactly what I mean. I dropped the LN at volume 8. It just became a chore to read since I have to literally turn my brain off to even get some enjoyment out of it. |
| similar to what a lot other people have said on this thread, the most unrealistic part of the anime is the notion that any ""enlightened"" willy-nilly, equipped with an extravaganza of convenient circumstances, could single-handedly take command of an entire country (and its women) purely because he is more based and more smart than everyone else. rEaLlIstiCaLlY speaking, the most absurd thing that happened right off the bat was that the mc somehow was not instantly overthrown the moment that it was announced that he would simultaneously 1) as an unknown foreigner from another literal world 2) would suddenly replace the current monarch and become a country's new leader (!!!!!) 3) and would do away with those that might've previously controlled the status-quo (i.e displeased 'corrupt' nobles) (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) of course I could always, to a degree, invoke suspension of disbelief. world-building completely realistic geopolitics, domestic politics, middle-aged economics, industrialization, militarism, land management, fictional race relations, blah blah blah -- that's all a pretty tall order for any story to tackle satisfyingly, to be fair but for a story revolving around a 'realist', I would've AT LEAST expected more gritty machiavelli-type politics rather than scene after scene of the mc being 'a good guy' and doing things out of his heart. (I mean, hell, the first episode alludes to machi by name, lol). i do think it really is just an ordinary isekai |
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GreatAide said: similar to what a lot other people have said on this thread, the most unrealistic part of the anime is the notion that any ""enlightened"" willy-nilly, equipped with an extravaganza of convenient circumstances, could single-handedly take command of an entire country (and its women) purely because he is more based and more smart than everyone else. rEaLlIstiCaLlY speaking, the most absurd thing that happened right off the bat was that the mc somehow was not instantly overthrown the moment that it was announced that he would simultaneously 1) as an unknown foreigner from another literal world 2) would suddenly replace the current monarch and become a country's new leader (!!!!!) 3) and would do away with those that might've previously controlled the status-quo (i.e displeased 'corrupt' nobles) (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) of course I could always, to a degree, invoke suspension of disbelief. world-building completely realistic geopolitics, domestic politics, middle-aged economics, industrialization, militarism, land management, fictional race relations, blah blah blah -- that's all a pretty tall order for any story to tackle satisfyingly, to be fair but for a story revolving around a 'realist', I would've AT LEAST expected more gritty machiavelli-type politics rather than scene after scene of the mc being 'a good guy' and doing things out of his heart. (I mean, hell, the first episode alludes to machi by name, lol). i do think it really is just an ordinary isekai Yeah, the problem at hand is, I was marketed a kingdom building story, but what I got was just a shitty isekai harem. |
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Asphodelus said: 'Abredon pretty much summed it up very nicely. Details are the most interesting parts of a kingdom building story, but this one completely glosses over it. The MC needs something done and it is done. There is no in between, no struggles, it just is done and never mentioned again. For a real kingdom building series, I recommend "Release that Witch". The novel is fully translated and spans over a thousand chapters. You can imagine the amount of details that go into actually building a kingdom just from the length. The biggest problem I have apart from that is that nothing in the world moves. The world is completely dead. They solely exist for the MC to either shit on them, waifu them, or "englighten" them. A good story should have side characters that feel alive and are interesting by themselves. They will often do things according to their own beliefs and progress the story in a way that feels alive. If you look at first few seasons of Game of Thrones, you'll know exactly what I mean. I dropped the LN at volume 8. It just became a chore to read since I have to literally turn my brain off to even get some enjoyment out of it. add to the fact some people really overrating this isekai and thinking its presenting something different when isekai is no stranger kingdom bulding stuff some arguments i personally this is good because no op mc (like lol) . Dude is op in his own iirc the guy has some kind of magic trick that gather infomation in his mind even when sleeping other than that harem crap here is legit strong and more or less everyone is idiot even for isekai standards |
AnimeFA78N said: Asphodelus said: 'Abredon pretty much summed it up very nicely. Details are the most interesting parts of a kingdom building story, but this one completely glosses over it. The MC needs something done and it is done. There is no in between, no struggles, it just is done and never mentioned again. For a real kingdom building series, I recommend "Release that Witch". The novel is fully translated and spans over a thousand chapters. You can imagine the amount of details that go into actually building a kingdom just from the length. The biggest problem I have apart from that is that nothing in the world moves. The world is completely dead. They solely exist for the MC to either shit on them, waifu them, or "englighten" them. A good story should have side characters that feel alive and are interesting by themselves. They will often do things according to their own beliefs and progress the story in a way that feels alive. If you look at first few seasons of Game of Thrones, you'll know exactly what I mean. I dropped the LN at volume 8. It just became a chore to read since I have to literally turn my brain off to even get some enjoyment out of it. add to the fact some people really overrating this isekai and thinking its presenting something different when isekai is no stranger kingdom bulding stuff some arguments i personally this is good because no op mc (like lol) . Dude is op in his own iirc the guy has some kind of magic trick that gather infomation in his mind even when sleeping other than that harem crap here is legit strong and more or less everyone is idiot even for isekai standards People don't know what they're missing out if they think this is what "Kingdom Building" is supposed to be. |
Asphodelus said: AnimeFA78N said: ' add to the fact some people really overrating this isekai and thinking its presenting something different when isekai is no stranger kingdom bulding stuff some arguments i personally this is good because no op mc (like lol) . Dude is op in his own iirc the guy has some kind of magic trick that gather infomation in his mind even when sleeping other than that harem crap here is legit strong and more or less everyone is idiot even for isekai standards People don't know what they're missing out if they think this is what "Kingdom Building" is supposed to be. Yep agree 100% i still have a good laugh whenever i remember some people saying how its gonna be next Re zero or Musuku Tensei of isekai |
Conceptualhero said: Asphodelus said: People don't know what they're missing out if they think this is what "Kingdom Building" is supposed to be. What is good kingdom building then? Instead of web novels, can you recommend some books (any... doesn't have to be Asian) that have good "world/kingdom building?" AnimeFA78N said: ' add to the fact some people really overrating this isekai and thinking its presenting something different when isekai is no stranger kingdom bulding stuff some arguments i personally this is good because no op mc (like lol) . Dude is op in his own iirc the guy has some kind of magic trick that gather infomation in his mind even when sleeping other than that harem crap here is legit strong and more or less everyone is idiot even for isekai standards Are there that many people "overrating" this series? The light novels are actually written and translated very well. In fact, I have the first seven editions, and I thought the prose is very straightforward and not overly complicated like certain series. (e.g., The Saga of Tanya the Evil) There are series that have better prose like 86, but for casual reading, Realist Hero hits the right spot. sure realistic hero is just another generic isekai nothing more nothing less generic doesnt mean bad but its not that great either a decent read and yes reddit folks rate it quite highly for some reasons |
Conceptualhero said: Asphodelus said: People don't know what they're missing out if they think this is what "Kingdom Building" is supposed to be. What is good kingdom building then? Instead of web novels, can you recommend some books (any... doesn't have to be Asian) that have good "world/kingdom building?" AnimeFA78N said: ' add to the fact some people really overrating this isekai and thinking its presenting something different when isekai is no stranger kingdom bulding stuff some arguments i personally this is good because no op mc (like lol) . Dude is op in his own iirc the guy has some kind of magic trick that gather infomation in his mind even when sleeping other than that harem crap here is legit strong and more or less everyone is idiot even for isekai standards Are there that many people "overrating" this series? The light novels are actually written and translated very well. In fact, I have the first seven editions, and I thought the prose is very straightforward and not overly complicated like certain series. (e.g., The Saga of Tanya the Evil) There are series that have better prose like 86, but for casual reading, Realist Hero hits the right spot. My main problem isn't even that it's bad. As I already said before, my problem is I felt like I was lied to. Whenever they try to tackle any sort of actual kingdom building concepts such as politics, warfare, economics, I can't help but wonder if the author has an understanding of a 12 year old. The light hearted romance stuff is honestly the only redeeming parts of this series. If they advertised this as just an isekai harem show, then it would actually be pretty decent. I am not sure what you mean by no Webnovel, only books. If Webnovel is not ok, is light novel out too? What is your criteria? Unfortunately I don't read too much western literature so I wouldn't know. I can only recommend Webnovels and light novels. I am assuming you have been around these parts for a while and heard a little title called "Tensei Slime". Surely you can see the massive difference in quality between something like "Slime" and the likes of "Realist Hero". Slime doesn't even advertise itself as a kingdom building story, yet it does it naturally and better than "realist hero" that advertises it front and centre in its name. |
AsphodelusAug 24, 2021 1:43 PM
Conceptualhero said: Asphodelus said: My main problem isn't even that it's bad. As I already said before, my problem is I felt like I was lied to. Whenever they try to tackle any sort of actual kingdom building concepts such as politics, warfare, economics, I can't help but wonder if the author has an understanding of a 12 year old. The light hearted romance stuff is honestly the only redeeming parts of this series. If they advertised this as just an isekai harem show, then it would actually be pretty decent. I am not sure what you mean by no Webnovel, only books. If Webnovel is not ok, is light novel out too? What is your criteria? Unfortunately I don't read too much western literature so I wouldn't know. I can only recommend Webnovels and light novels. I am assuming you have been around these parts for a while and heard a little title called "Tensei Slime". Surely you can see the massive difference in quality between something like "Slime" and the likes of "Realist Hero". Slime doesn't even advertise itself as a kingdom building story, yet it does it naturally and better than "realist hero" that advertises it front and centre in its name. To clarify, I don't want webnovels because I want stories that have been reviewed by professional proofreaders and editors. These are more quality control purposes. The story themselves may be good, but I am a stickler for grammar and good sentence structure. I don't mind light novels. I have heard of "Tensei Slime" before, and I have heard the kingdom building aspect was decent enough, so I will read a couple of volumes down the line. I like just typing in random tidbits, and Realist Hero was a story where I kept thinking of its political and economical intrigues. I don't necessarily think the author intended the series to be mainly focused on the aspect of kingdom building, as that would make the content too dense to be a light novel. I think of it like "Genius Prince" where the backdrop of the story is the kingdom building aspect, but the main plot is mainly something else. I have a Kindle Paperwhite and have been thoroughly enjoying the device. I don't mind reading some good series. Well, my personal favorite is Honzuki. It's not a kingdom building story, but out of everything I've read so far, nothing even comes close to the quality of writing Honzuki has. I read raw, but I know official English translation is catching up. |
| Btw you guys should try the upcoming anime of The Genius Prince's Guide to Raising a Nation out of Debt. I think its a kingdom building one a non isekai one btw its coming out in winter 2022 |
Conceptualhero said: AnimeFA78N said: Btw you guys should try the upcoming anime of The Genius Prince's Guide to Raising a Nation out of Debt. I think its a kingdom building one a non isekai one btw its coming out in winter 2022 I have been trying to get through the series. Currently halfway done with volume 1. It is in my backlog right now. I got the first six volumes. Nice hoping for a enjoyable read with this for you |
got 3 or 5 vols? then exam and other real stuff come and went busy altogether so forgot all of it all i remember i somewhat enjoyed it i need to reread it asaf sorry right now i cant give a good description right now |
AnimeFA78N said: Btw you guys should try the upcoming anime of The Genius Prince's Guide to Raising a Nation out of Debt. I think its a kingdom building one a non isekai one btw its coming out in winter 2022 I have that on my "to read" list. Will definitely give it a shot. |
Asphodelus said: Conceptualhero said: What is good kingdom building then? Instead of web novels, can you recommend some books (any... doesn't have to be Asian) that have good "world/kingdom building?" Are there that many people "overrating" this series? The light novels are actually written and translated very well. In fact, I have the first seven editions, and I thought the prose is very straightforward and not overly complicated like certain series. (e.g., The Saga of Tanya the Evil) There are series that have better prose like 86, but for casual reading, Realist Hero hits the right spot. My main problem isn't even that it's bad. As I already said before, my problem is I felt like I was lied to. Whenever they try to tackle any sort of actual kingdom building concepts such as politics, warfare, economics, I can't help but wonder if the author has an understanding of a 12 year old. The light hearted romance stuff is honestly the only redeeming parts of this series. If they advertised this as just an isekai harem show, then it would actually be pretty decent. I am not sure what you mean by no Webnovel, only books. If Webnovel is not ok, is light novel out too? What is your criteria? Unfortunately I don't read too much western literature so I wouldn't know. I can only recommend Webnovels and light novels. I am assuming you have been around these parts for a while and heard a little title called "Tensei Slime". Surely you can see the massive difference in quality between something like "Slime" and the likes of "Realist Hero". Slime doesn't even advertise itself as a kingdom building story, yet it does it naturally and better than "realist hero" that advertises it front and centre in its name. why does slime do it better? i feel like this is way better then slime in kingdom building this is just lie, it is rated 6.5 in http://www.redditanimelist.net/anime.php?anime=41710 which is even lower then MaL, no one s overrating it, everyone is rating it on however they thought how good the anime was, 6.5 which means (decent) is exactly how it is rated |
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DayyanoEYE said: this is just lie, it is rated 6.5 in http://www.redditanimelist.net/anime.php?anime=41710 which is even lower then MaL, no one s overrating it, everyone is rating it on however they thought how good the anime was, 6.5 which means (decent) is exactly how it is rated I never said about ratings of reddit users on average i was referring certain subreddits like r/isekai and their comments overall |
AnimeFA78NAug 26, 2021 3:40 AM
DayyanoEYE said: Asphodelus said: My main problem isn't even that it's bad. As I already said before, my problem is I felt like I was lied to. Whenever they try to tackle any sort of actual kingdom building concepts such as politics, warfare, economics, I can't help but wonder if the author has an understanding of a 12 year old. The light hearted romance stuff is honestly the only redeeming parts of this series. If they advertised this as just an isekai harem show, then it would actually be pretty decent. I am not sure what you mean by no Webnovel, only books. If Webnovel is not ok, is light novel out too? What is your criteria? Unfortunately I don't read too much western literature so I wouldn't know. I can only recommend Webnovels and light novels. I am assuming you have been around these parts for a while and heard a little title called "Tensei Slime". Surely you can see the massive difference in quality between something like "Slime" and the likes of "Realist Hero". Slime doesn't even advertise itself as a kingdom building story, yet it does it naturally and better than "realist hero" that advertises it front and centre in its name. why does slime do it better? i feel like this is way better then slime in kingdom building thats a rather unpopular opinion considering vast majority people prefer slime over this geneic one |
AnimeFA78N said: hehe, you must say generic right? So you feel superior for liking another anime that isn't generic in your mind right?DayyanoEYE said: why does slime do it better? i feel like this is way better then slime in kingdom building thats a rather unpopular opinion considering vast majority people prefer slime over this geneic one |
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DayyanoEYE said: AnimeFA78N said: hehe, you must say generic right? So you feel superior for liking another anime that isn't generic in your mind right?thats a rather unpopular opinion considering vast majority people prefer slime over this geneic one considering the fact my list clearly shows i enjoy generic isekai more than vast majority of people here this is a piss poor attempt to trigger me realistic hero is a generic isekai and its not the first or best kingdom building isekai just because you dont go around in subreddits and actually see how a good chunk of people overrate doesnt mean its not overrated there Slime has beat it in every category (Sales Popularity Writing Characters etc etc) which is funny cause Slime at core is not even a kingdom building isekai |
AnimeFA78NAug 26, 2021 3:53 AM
AnimeFA78N said: DayyanoEYE said: this is just lie, it is rated 6.5 in http://www.redditanimelist.net/anime.php?anime=41710 which is even lower then MaL, no one s overrating it, everyone is rating it on however they thought how good the anime was, 6.5 which means (decent) is exactly how it is rated I never said about ratings of reddit users on average i was referring certain subreddits like r/isekai and their comments overall So 4 or 5 person in reddit said it is masterpiece, and now you think of these 5 people's opinion as reddit itself? Since you said "folks" which refers to majority of them. Besides, those aren't overrating it, it is just their opinion, even in mal, there are lots of people saying it is masterpiece, but what you should count is the average score for all reddit, it is not overration if only some people not majority like it, there are always some people that will like an anime more then you, Since anime is subjective |
DayyanoEYEAug 26, 2021 3:52 AM
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DayyanoEYE said: AnimeFA78N said: I never said about ratings of reddit users on average i was referring certain subreddits like r/isekai and their comments overall So 4 or 5 person in reddit said it is masterpiece, and now you think of these 5 people's opinion as reddit itself? Since you said "folks" which refers to majority of them. Besides, those aren't overrating it, it is just their opinion, even in mal, there are lots of people saying it is masterpiece, but what you should count is the average score for all reddit, to know whether people are overrating it or not An overall average score never stopped any anime being overrataed plenty of shows that is around 6.5 to 7 gets overrated all the time score has noting to do with this |
AnimeFA78N said: DayyanoEYE said: So 4 or 5 person in reddit said it is masterpiece, and now you think of these 5 people's opinion as reddit itself? Since you said "folks" which refers to majority of them. Besides, those aren't overrating it, it is just their opinion, even in mal, there are lots of people saying it is masterpiece, but what you should count is the average score for all reddit, to know whether people are overrating it or not An overall average score never stopped any anime being overrataed plenty of shows that is around 6.5 to 7 gets overrated all the time score has noting to do with this Nah, overration is exactly referring to the average score in specific thing that you are talking about, overrated means an anime that is rated higher then what you think it deserves, if you say overrated in mal, then that means an anime that is rated higher in MAL averagely, if you say in reddit folks, then it is rated higher in reddit averagely. You literally said people in general, then proceed to change your point that you were talking about specific people? Come on, it isn’t hard to accept you were wrong |
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DayyanoEYE said: AnimeFA78N said: An overall average score never stopped any anime being overrataed plenty of shows that is around 6.5 to 7 gets overrated all the time score has noting to do with this Nah, overration is exactly referring to the average score, overrated means an anime that is rated higher then what you think it deserves, if you say overrated in mal, then that means an anime that is rated higher in MAL averagely, if you say in reddit folks, then it is rated higher in reddit averagely. If you really just stick to the score thing and ignoring actual comments from overall the subreddits i visited then there is not point discussing it further anymore |
AnimeFA78N said: DayyanoEYE said: Nah, overration is exactly referring to the average score, overrated means an anime that is rated higher then what you think it deserves, if you say overrated in mal, then that means an anime that is rated higher in MAL averagely, if you say in reddit folks, then it is rated higher in reddit averagely. If you really just stick to the score thing and ignoring actual comments from overall the subreddits i visited then there is not point discussing it further anymore Yeah because you said "reddit folks" which means reddit people in general, so you are referring to the average score of people's ratings in reddit. Therefore the 6.5 one which i linked it to you, comments or posts that say "wow i like this anime so much" " this anime is masterpiece" isn't reddit folks, it is only some specific people |
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DayyanoEYE said: AnimeFA78N said: If you really just stick to the score thing and ignoring actual comments from overall the subreddits i visited then there is not point discussing it further anymore Yeah because you said "reddit folks" which means reddit people in general, so you are referring to the average score of people's ratings in reddit. Therefore the 6.5 one which i linked it to you, comments or posts that say "wow i like this anime so much" " this anime is masterpiece" isn't reddit folks, it is only some specific people Same bs all over again sigh stop tagging me pls dont care anymore about this convo |
AnimeFA78NAug 26, 2021 5:31 AM
| I think we can just all agree that this shit is bait and if they advertised it correctly, it would be a generic, but not horrible isekai anime. As it stands however, it's blatantly false title triggers me since I spent at least 50 hours reading up to volume 8 expecting "kingdom building" and got nothing noteworthy out of it. |
Conceptualhero said: Asphodelus said: I think we can just all agree that this shit is bait and if they advertised it correctly, it would be a generic, but not horrible isekai anime. As it stands however, it's blatantly false title triggers me since I spent at least 50 hours reading up to volume 8 expecting "kingdom building" and got nothing noteworthy out of it. I am pretty sure the first three volume pretty much set the tone for the rest of the story. I am unsure why you would think volume 8 would be the magic volume. Volume 8 wasn't the magic volume, it was where I completely gave up. First 3 volumes might've been the best parts honestly. I was fine with the lack of quality as it was still enjoyable when I turn my brain off. However, when the author pulls shit like this, there is just no hope anymore. |
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