86--EIGHTY-SIX (light novel)
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laganndrilz said: Wow so much similarities to Code Geass Akito the Exiled. White-class people commanding 86s(elevens), which I beleved are oppressed race of Giadian Empire(Britannian Empire) away from battlefield. Similar mc name Lena(Leila). There's Spider-like robots. Is this a rip-off or just influenced work. Tell me more if you can find more similarities between the 2 series. Yes, I thought the same thing. The author must have watched Code Geass: Akito the Exiled at some point before writing this, since they seem very similar. Which isn't a bad thing, since unlike other folks (cough, anime fans) I'm not super obsessed with originality. Just noticing that the influences would be hard to deny. I wonder whether it'll become different enough in due time, but the inspiration is extremely clear to me. |
| the visual is stunning wtf. it's so fresh in my eyes lol. but I still don't get what happened. well yeah, we're still 1 episode in but there's a lot going on here and too many new terms still unexplained. oh yeah, that real egg food scene is kinda out of place :/ everything looks good so far. can't wait for the next episode. |
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| Episode 1 lives up to its hyping, despite some parts that I find to be a bit too fast (not a problem, tho). Well... but in the same way, it also doesn't exceed expectation, which is good(?) for LN readers but might not be as much if the series is to establish itself beyond its current fame. Well... but at least it looks expensive, and the masses are easy to please. |
| Was honestly laughing most of the time. Food looks blah, characters are not all that interesting, and I'm just not connecting with much here. I'll go ahead and pass. Just a note to future self. |
| Decent start. The animation was good and my only nitpicks are the character designs. I just thought they could have been better. Keeping my expectations low for this one since I don't really trust A-1 Pictures that much in these types of adaptations. |
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| So it is an adaptation? Pretty solid start but for me the transitions felt all over the place. The world-building itself was okay, but the characters in it were bland. Still looking forward for the next episode though. |
| The mechas anime always had their own interest, especially when you know its led by a beautiful silver haired chick. What could be wrong, right? The transition look a bit difficult to understand, with all of those situations, i at least need three re-watch to understand more. Lol. The batle scene was alright, nothing great, but its not that bad. The pacing of it surely look fast honestly. Because its may needed just for the introduction sake, no need a deep battle for now. The info dump for a certain issues also looked fine in these one, surely need more chapter to know more about the truth behind those mess up, and a lot of hate between themself. The world-building got a little portion, the introduction of a certain characters felt fast too. I don't even feel anything with the death one. Or shall i care for him? So, i hope its improved the implication in the later episode, i mean get a better shocking therapy. But, in short, this an alright premiere. The premises surely promising, and the heroine already attracted me so far. One thing that i hope its get a better exposition in the later episode, including every wish i state above. Thats it all from me. |
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| I don't have to say much to express how I feel about the future of the show and how well executed this episode was. The CGI didn't bother me, it was well done, above average 3d. The bases that this episode established are the most suitable for an anime of its theme. The different characters that were shown, in addition to their protagonist, are interesting, it is most likely that they will form interesting conflicts and chemistry between their characters as they progress. We have a most beautiful and empathetic protagonist, and an introspective man who seems to accept his captain's orders without much hesitation. The meeting of these two counterparts will surely be the most influential in all of history. Anyway, beautiful and fascinating. |
| hype hype hype!!! I didn't even plan on watching it but I'm so glad I gave it a try! damn that was awesome, it was super fast-paced but I don't think it was too fast, it was easy to catch up with everything and I'm really intrigued by the universe and the story and cant wait to find out all the answers to the questions the first episode left me with |
| Why does CGI look like it's from 2006 PC game lmao |
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| I think yesterday was the first time I got to know that the anime is airing. I've seen people on reddit buying the light novel for 86 since long ago but I always thought it was an extraordinary story. I've watched the first anime and am generally interested to see what's ahead. |
_MadeInHeaven_ said: who tf give this garbage 10 when author fails to do basic introduction in ep 1 and straight giving audience shenanigans they don't even care god why it is so hard to make a decent iron blooded orphans copy? haha yeah pretty much sums up my viewing experience without any prior knowledge about the source material in addition to that the battle secenes were too hectic and too many cuts to really understand anything about the conflict, it is really not a good introduction to the overall plot |
GoldenDevilGamer said: But you did though But I am not discussing. just clear things out. GoldenDevilGamer said: Maybe you meant to word it differently Maybe you could read it properly in the context what happened in the episode. And you shouldn't, it is me who are disliking the show... Thai777 said: What is your criteria to be a believable character? I don't want to write an essay on what I like and I don't - I just don't find her believable. Just mind you even one of the most amateurish written cartoons of all time RWBY introduces a very similar character Weiss Schnee way more naturally in comparison. Thai777 said: To me, she looks like an hypocrite and a hypocrite is not an unbelievable character. I mean she obviously is but the show is forcing us to like and sympathize with her early on...thus me not buying this character. Thai777 said: I will also point out that she is not an adult, she is a teen. Like this is an excuse for bad writing. Thai777 said: But she can improve from here on, no? Entirely missing the point. It's not her progress or regress I care for but how it's presented. What I see here contradicts the rules of the world the story takes place. Thai777 said: Here again... why do you judge character to be nonsensical in a single episode? This is like a character from K-On appearing on AOT...and taking itself totally seriously. I get Akame ga Kill vibes from 86. Conceptualhero said: Well... jeez. Wouldn't it be sensical to make an effort to avoid losing privileges and going to jail? Going against this society would do bad things to you no matter how careful you are...and since she is part of the military most likely - firing squad. |
alshuApr 11, 2021 3:17 AM
| It was pretty good. Honestly I think it's good to avoid massive exposition dumps in the beginning. I think it establishes the main cast and plot early on. Will wait to judge it as a whole until we get more characterization and world building. I think the animation is good don't really understand the critiques to the character designs sure it's not as beautiful as hand crafter LN cover but I think it captures the art style fine. The CG though is pretty good doesn't feel very jarring. Also don't get some of the critiques that Lena as a character isn't believable because losing troops is something she wants to avoid and it impacts her psychologically? Do you think real life soldiers are all sociopaths lol? MAL really has some good takes on here. Even if you want to pull she feels for them but yet participates in the system you got plenty of examples of that like the Founding Fathers being opposed to slavery when many of them owned slaves. People can hold private views even engage in hypocrisy if they feel the status quo is unchangeable. Seems to me she just slowly developed feelings for them over the course of her service and is just trying to treat them like human beings knowing if they get reassigned someone else their treatment is going to be vastly worse. _MadeInHeaven_ said: Rifle said: haha yeah pretty much sums up my viewing experience without any prior knowledge about the source material in addition to that the battle secenes were too hectic and too many cuts to really understand anything about the conflict, it is really not a good introduction to the overall plot bc they didn't tell you what's the world system, what's the present situation, what's the current conflict, and who's working for who how the hell anyone an interpret what's going on in random shots of spider tank fights? So every first episode needs a ton of exposition? |
BilboBaggins365Apr 11, 2021 3:17 AM
BilboBaggins365 said: Also don't get some of the critiques that Lena as a character isn't believable because losing troops is something she wants to avoid and it impacts her psychologically? It's not a matter of if she cares but how they have presented it. |
alshu said: BilboBaggins365 said: Also don't get some of the critiques that Lena as a character isn't believable because losing troops is something she wants to avoid and it impacts her psychologically? It's not a matter of if she cares but how they have presented it. Then explain how they have presented it good sir. |
BilboBaggins365 said: It was pretty good. Honestly I think it's good to avoid massive exposition dumps in the beginning. I think it establishes the main cast and plot early on. Will wait to judge it as a whole until we get more characterization and world building. Also don't get some of the critiques that Lena as a character isn't believable because losing troops is something she wants to avoid and it impacts her psychologically? Do you think real life soldiers are all sociopaths lol? MAL really has some good takes on here. Even if you want to pull she feels for them but yet participates in the system you got plenty of examples of that like the Founding Fathers being opposed to slavery when many of them owned slaves. People can hold private views even engage in hypocrisy if they feel the status quo is unchangeable. _MadeInHeaven_ said: bc they didn't tell you what's the world system, what's the present situation, what's the current conflict, and who's working for who how the hell anyone an interpret what's going on in random shots of spider tank fights? So every first episode needs a ton of exposition? For me it's more the mix of a very high level intro and those combat scenes which hadn't had any impact or meaning to me (yet). |
| It was a good first episode. These LN readers need to know anime based on a light novel will never be a 1:1 adaptation. |
| Pretty good so far. Seems promising. As other pointed out it reminds me of Akito the Exiled. Looking forward to seeing how this goes. The show looks very good as well. |
_MadeInHeaven_ said: imagine thinking this first ep isn't about tons pointless exposition about foreshadowing future plot nobody cares about Nah they did a lot of showing. Literally the only two scenes with heavy exposition was the one with her father's military friend and Henrietta? You would rather they get into literally the nitty gritty world building details/characterization in the first episode? Rifle said: For me it's more the mix of a very high level intro and those combat scenes which hadn't had any impact or meaning to me (yet). Again I ask how does adding all this "bc they didn't tell you what's the world system, what's the present situation, what's the current conflict, and who's working for who" immediately develop meaning? It's just a ton of text unless you get to know the characters and the world itself which even in little details (like they don't have real ingredients for food) is better I think in the first episode then loading you down with a political history off the bat. It's the first episode meant to introduce the characters and the initial conflict which it does. I guess fair if you didn't get attached to anyone but I thought Lena itself was easy to attach to. The spear head members were just introduced but I already do like their sense of comradery. There aren't many shows where I am totally attached to a character or care deeply on the first episode. |
BilboBaggins365Apr 11, 2021 4:06 AM
BilboBaggins365 said: _MadeInHeaven_ said: imagine thinking this first ep isn't about tons pointless exposition about foreshadowing future plot nobody cares about Nah they did a lot of showing. Literally the only two scenes with heavy exposition was the one with her father's military friend and Henrietta? You would rather they get into literally the nitty gritty world building details/characterization in the first episode? Rifle said: For me it's more the mix of a very high level intro and those combat scenes which hadn't had any impact or meaning to me (yet). Again I ask how does adding all this "bc they didn't tell you what's the world system, what's the present situation, what's the current conflict, and who's working for who" immediately develop meaning? It's just a ton of text unless you get to know the characters and the world itself which even in little details (like they don't have real ingredients for food) is better I think in the first episode then loading you down with a political history off the bat. It's the first episode meant to introduce the characters and the initial conflict which it does. I guess fair if you didn't get attached to anyone but I thought Lena itself was easy to attach to. The spear head members were just introduced but I already do like their sense of comradery. They kinda wasted time on those food scenes and the medical checkup, sure it's all character building, but I would gladly prefer it to be world building instead. Undertaker didn't receive as much time as Lena. It was very clear from the beginning that those spider bots are no drones as we were shown a glimpse of undertaker in it from the start. So they could give us a more balanced intro of those two. Also Lena is already well aware of all the wrongs it seems about her society and her affection for the soldiers is far too attached already, we as spectators on the other hand have no affection what so ever yet, so it feels quite off to us already. Why has she so much affection? At least this could have been explained. From a commanding perspective it kind of seems wrong to put her in such a position as she will never really make a rational decision on the battlefield, if you ask me. So an explaination for her affection would be justified. |
| Jumped on this after I saw how much the LN readers hyped it. Was not disappointed at all with the first episode. |
Rifle said: BilboBaggins365 said: Nah they did a lot of showing. Literally the only two scenes with heavy exposition was the one with her father's military friend and Henrietta? You would rather they get into literally the nitty gritty world building details/characterization in the first episode? Again I ask how does adding all this "bc they didn't tell you what's the world system, what's the present situation, what's the current conflict, and who's working for who" immediately develop meaning? It's just a ton of text unless you get to know the characters and the world itself which even in little details (like they don't have real ingredients for food) is better I think in the first episode then loading you down with a political history off the bat. It's the first episode meant to introduce the characters and the initial conflict which it does. I guess fair if you didn't get attached to anyone but I thought Lena itself was easy to attach to. The spear head members were just introduced but I already do like their sense of comradery. They kinda wasted time on those food scenes and the medical checkup, sure it's all character building, but I would gladly prefer it to be world building instead. Undertaker didn't receive as much time as Lena. It was very clear from the beginning that those spider bots are no drones as we were shown a glimpse of undertaker in it from the start. So they could give us a more balanced intro of those two. Also Lena is already well aware of all the wrongs it seems about her society and her affection for the soldiers is far too attached already, we as spectators on the other hand have no affection what so ever yet, so it feels quite off to us already. Why has she so much affection? At least this could have been explained. From a commanding perspective it kind of seems wrong to put her in such a position as she will never really make a rational decision on the battlefield, if you ask me. So an explaination for her affection would be justified. I don't agree because the food scene again helps established the tight relationships this squad has. The medical checkup establishes the danger Lena is going into leading this squad and creates mystery around the undertaker. Even basic things like the cake scene outside of giving a more light hearted atmosphere establishes most of the world's food is artificial. I don't think going into the world's history in the first episode is a good idea because it's very dry if you don't get to know the characters behind it. Secondly again I explain why this critique around Lena doesn't make sense to me. Taking heavily casualties is deeply traumatic to many commanders see General Grant in the US Civil War. Also people all the time will support status quos they hate if they feel they can't change it or their removal will lead to a worse situation. As for why the affection does that have to be established in the first episode? She is competent at her command and hasn't broken down so the fact she is affected again is irrelevant. No where is it established she has been unable to make rational decisions and again good commanders don't just view their troops as expendable grunts either. Caring for them does not impede ones' ability to lead in war. |
BilboBaggins365Apr 11, 2021 4:22 AM
| I've never heard of 86 until very recently, so I'm very unfamiliar with the source material and the world. In my experience as an anime-only viewer, the show really throws a lot of information that's almost overwhelming. I think I understood pretty much all of it by the end of the episode, but I did feel like it was a bit of a struggle at certain times within the episode. That being said, the episode overall was quite enjoyable. The world is very fascinating, and the characters all seem interesting too. The premise of Lena taking command of the Spearhead squadron is very interesting too; I'll be back next week for sure to see what happens next. |
fenrirr2 said: It looks promising but I had some issues and questions that will need satisfying answers, otherwise, the show could fell apart. The war is only going for 9 years, so every citizen should remember, that there is a 86. district with other people. The whole military knows about the 86 people, clearly lack any discipline, drinking and talking about 86 in the department next to the street, doesn't seem like the kind of people who could keep this a secret. They hate the 86 and disgusted by them, which clearly shows, that this stems from a long history, not just a defense mechanism to justify their horrible military use, and this should apply to all citizens, hence "unmanned drones" and keeping the 86 secret is not just unrealistic, but totally doesn't make sense (just look at Marley, if you have an oppressed minority you don't keep it a secret, but actively encourage your citizens in racism and oppression). I hope they can figure out some very clever and satisfying answer for this, but I clearly don't see anything which can justify their hate and secrecy at the same time in a realistic way like AoT did, and I assume this will be either a plot hole or will get a superficial explanation. When you give all of your weapons to an oppressed minority, you better have total control over them, and their families, serious brainwashing, and perks and advantages for their military elite. None of these were seen in the show. The soldiers don't seem brainwashed, treated like shit, aren't treated with a speck of respect, and clearly hate their oppressors, and they are on the frontline with all of the weapons, without serious supervising. It is possible, that their family is under supervision, that could help, but you need all tools I have mentioned to oppress a minority while weaponizing them, and even then it is risky. In the current setting they would have rebelled already. I still hope the show will be good, its LN has a pretty decent score, but it is very likely, that we will get dumb and unrealistic answers to these, and we just have to suspense our disbelief if we want to enjoy the show (I hope not). This is a more fair critique the series will hopefully address. Obviously if they are just one district the chances of rebellion would be unlikely to succeed but there has to be some other reason why they would choose to fight for their oppressors then take even a small chance at succeeding in a revolt. Edit: Families hostage I might assume just because apparently this is like a more exaggerated take on the Japanese interment camps it probably will get explained in next few episodes though. Hopefully it does get explained there are a lot of ways they could. I don't agree you wouldn't be able to finance and support military groups without public knowledge though. It happens all the time especially if the state is less a republic and more like an organized military junta it would be pretty easy to suppress info. |
BilboBaggins365Apr 11, 2021 4:32 AM
fenrirr2 said: It looks promising but I had some issues and questions that will need satisfying answers, otherwise, the show could fell apart. The war is only going for 9 years, so every citizen should remember, that there is a 86. district with other people. The whole military knows about the 86 people, clearly lack any discipline, drinking and talking about 86 in the department next to the street, doesn't seem like the kind of people who could keep this a secret. They hate the 86 and disgusted by them, which clearly shows, that this stems from a long history, not just a defense mechanism to justify their horrible military use, and this should apply to all citizens, hence "unmanned drones" and keeping the 86 secret is not just unrealistic, but totally doesn't make sense (just look at Marley, if you have an oppressed minority you don't keep it a secret, but actively encourage your citizens in racism and oppression). I hope they can figure out some very clever and satisfying answer for this, but I clearly don't see anything which can justify their hate and secrecy at the same time in a realistic way like AoT did, and I assume this will be either a plot hole or will get a superficial explanation. When you give all of your weapons to an oppressed minority, you better have total control over them, and their families, serious brainwashing, and perks and advantages for their military elite. None of these were seen in the show. The soldiers don't seem brainwashed, treated like shit, aren't treated with a speck of respect, and clearly hate their oppressors, and they are on the frontline with all of the weapons, without serious supervising. It is possible, that their family is under supervision, that could help, but you need all tools I have mentioned to oppress a minority while weaponizing them, and even then it is risky. In the current setting they would have rebelled already. I still hope the show will be good, its LN has a pretty decent score, but it is very likely, that we will get dumb and unrealistic answers to these, and we just have to suspense our disbelief if we want to enjoy the show (I hope not). I really get some ancient greek vibes here where Spartans would use minorities as slaves for labor and war. They also had to deal with rebellions of course, but usually got help from the Athens or other states to deal with it. So if I compare it to that, it may be plausible for a society to have such an open secret. People just don't care too much about it as they can live a happy life. |
RifleApr 11, 2021 4:32 AM
So I posted by mistake in a writing workshop topic? Well I would prefer her less over-emotion, less bubbly and less naive. (16 years or whatever, being part of a military organization she would have more practical approach and have more experience working with people.) Also I would prefer the authors not trying to force me to like her. |
alshu said: So I posted by mistake in a writing workshop topic? Well I would prefer her less over-emotion, less bubbly and less naive. (16 years or whatever, being part of a military organization she would have more practical approach and have more experience working with people.) Also I would prefer the authors not trying to force me to like her. If you don't wish to explain any critique or aspect thrown out what is the point discussing at all? I don't see how asking for more elaboration means I am demanding you to engage in some writing workshop lol. Secondly I don't agree you don't know how long she has been active. Two what does over-emotion mean again if it's she cares too much I explained what that doesn't really hold up. What about her isn't practical? Fair if you don't like her not going to really fight on something that simple. |
fenrirr2 said: BilboBaggins365 said: This is a more fair critique the series will hopefully address. Obviously if they are just one district the chances of rebellion would be unlikely to succeed but there has to be some other reason why they would choose to fight for their oppressors then take even a small chance at succeeding in a revolt. Hopefully it does get explained there are a lot of ways they could. I don't agree you wouldn't be able to finance and support military groups without public knowledge though. It happens all the time especially if the state is less a republic and more like an organized military junta it would be pretty easy to suppress info. I wasn't talking about the issue with financing or oppression of information. I was talking about, that for one it is impossible to cover up for years such a thing, when thousands of people knows about it, and not even that disciplined (Based on our own history). For second the hatred they feel for the 86 doesn't indicate, that the military personnel only know them for some years, but rather that their existence and oppression/disdain is going back in history, and should be engraved in all citizens, hence neither the possibility to keep them secret, neither the will to do that makes sense. You cannot hate something with such a passion, you didn't even know existed, and you don't try to cover up the existence of them if already everybody hates and knows about them. Simply the secrecy and hate of 86 at the same time contradicting each other. The Manhatten Project had 120,000 people working on it. I mean it did get leaked to the USSR but it's not like average Americans knew they were working on such a weapon in 1943 and only became public knowledge once it was actively used. If it's a few thousand people just guiding this again depending on their intelligence agencies they could keep it pretty silent to just within the department. Secondly correct me if I am wrong because again this is way more theoretical world building but what isn't known is they aren't sending out manned drones equipped with these oppressed individuals not that they didn't oppress them. I mean district 86 isn't publicly accounted for but that doesn't mean the common people aren't aware that they rule or ruled over smaller ethnic minorities. Regardless don't know how much more I can really say on this because it's really just a lot of iffs and buts on questions that likely at least will get some development later for better or worse. |
BilboBaggins365Apr 11, 2021 4:46 AM
BilboBaggins365 said: fenrirr2 said: It looks promising but I had some issues and questions that will need satisfying answers, otherwise, the show could fell apart. The war is only going for 9 years, so every citizen should remember, that there is a 86. district with other people. The whole military knows about the 86 people, clearly lack any discipline, drinking and talking about 86 in the department next to the street, doesn't seem like the kind of people who could keep this a secret. They hate the 86 and disgusted by them, which clearly shows, that this stems from a long history, not just a defense mechanism to justify their horrible military use, and this should apply to all citizens, hence "unmanned drones" and keeping the 86 secret is not just unrealistic, but totally doesn't make sense (just look at Marley, if you have an oppressed minority you don't keep it a secret, but actively encourage your citizens in racism and oppression). I hope they can figure out some very clever and satisfying answer for this, but I clearly don't see anything which can justify their hate and secrecy at the same time in a realistic way like AoT did, and I assume this will be either a plot hole or will get a superficial explanation. When you give all of your weapons to an oppressed minority, you better have total control over them, and their families, serious brainwashing, and perks and advantages for their military elite. None of these were seen in the show. The soldiers don't seem brainwashed, treated like shit, aren't treated with a speck of respect, and clearly hate their oppressors, and they are on the frontline with all of the weapons, without serious supervising. It is possible, that their family is under supervision, that could help, but you need all tools I have mentioned to oppress a minority while weaponizing them, and even then it is risky. In the current setting they would have rebelled already. I still hope the show will be good, its LN has a pretty decent score, but it is very likely, that we will get dumb and unrealistic answers to these, and we just have to suspense our disbelief if we want to enjoy the show (I hope not). This is a more fair critique the series will hopefully address. Obviously if they are just one district the chances of rebellion would be unlikely to succeed but there has to be some other reason why they would choose to fight for their oppressors then take even a small chance at succeeding in a revolt. Edit: Families hostage I might assume just because apparently this is like a more exaggerated take on the Japanese interment camps it probably will get explained in next few episodes though. Hopefully it does get explained there are a lot of ways they could. I don't agree you wouldn't be able to finance and support military groups without public knowledge though. It happens all the time especially if the state is less a republic and more like an organized military junta it would be pretty easy to suppress info. If you as a author leave that many questions marks, it does add up very fast. I just have to compare it to Legend of the Galactic Heroes where you would get an intro to our two main protagonists in the first ep and have a good idea about the whole conflict after just one episode. It actually quite simple. Lena as a character is still making little sense to me. But we will see how it goes I guess. |
Rifle said: BilboBaggins365 said: This is a more fair critique the series will hopefully address. Obviously if they are just one district the chances of rebellion would be unlikely to succeed but there has to be some other reason why they would choose to fight for their oppressors then take even a small chance at succeeding in a revolt. Edit: Families hostage I might assume just because apparently this is like a more exaggerated take on the Japanese interment camps it probably will get explained in next few episodes though. Hopefully it does get explained there are a lot of ways they could. I don't agree you wouldn't be able to finance and support military groups without public knowledge though. It happens all the time especially if the state is less a republic and more like an organized military junta it would be pretty easy to suppress info. If you as a author leave that many questions marks, it does add up very fast. I just have to compare it to Legend of the Galactic Heroes where you would get an intro to our two main protagonists in the first ep and have a good idea about the whole conflict after just one episode. It actually quite simple. Lena as a character is still making little sense to me. But we will see how it goes I guess. I mean there is only one question mark I see which is how are they controlling the people for me. I don't think the Lena thing is a question mark at all. LOTGH actually has a pretty iffy intro if we are taking about the OVA's first two episodes and not the films. Even though it's my favourite anime the OVA throws too much at a new viewer the films introduce it much more slowly and give you time to get to know Yang and Reinhard. Main reason I always clarify to new viewers watch the films and just skip the first two episodes. |
BilboBaggins365Apr 11, 2021 4:47 AM
BilboBaggins365 said: Rifle said: If you as a author leave that many questions marks, it does add up very fast. I just have to compare it to Legend of the Galactic Heroes where you would get an intro to our two main protagonists in the first ep and have a good idea about the whole conflict after just one episode. It actually quite simple. Lena as a character is still making little sense to me. But we will see how it goes I guess. I mean there is only one question mark I see which is how are they controlling the people for me. I don't think the Lena thing is a question mark at all. LOTGH actually has a pretty iffy intro if we are taking about the OVA's first two episodes and not the films. Even though it's my favourite anime the OVA throws too much at a new viewer the films introduce it much more slowly and give you time to get to know Yang and Reinhard. Main reason I always clarify to new viewers watch the films and just skip the first two episodes. Kinda off topic, but we actually have a very similar taste it seems. :-D |
Rifle said: BilboBaggins365 said: I mean there is only one question mark I see which is how are they controlling the people for me. I don't think the Lena thing is a question mark at all. LOTGH actually has a pretty iffy intro if we are taking about the OVA's first two episodes and not the films. Even though it's my favourite anime the OVA throws too much at a new viewer the films introduce it much more slowly and give you time to get to know Yang and Reinhard. Main reason I always clarify to new viewers watch the films and just skip the first two episodes. Kinda off topic, but we actually have a very similar taste it seems. :-D Yeah for a few titles. I mean I will admit bias that I want 86 to be good because the amount of war dramas or even mecha is pretty limited in the industry. It's probably one of my favourite genres main reason I am fan of pulp fiction franchises like 40k lol. I wish we had more titles like LOTGH even if the writing isn't of the same caliber. I will say again off topic why Ashita no Joe S1 over 2? |
BilboBaggins365 said: Yeah for a few titles. I mean I will admit bias that I want 86 to be good because the amount of war dramas or even mecha is pretty limited in the industry. It's probably one of my favourite genres main reason I am fan of pulp fiction franchises like 40k lol. I wish we had more titles like LOTGH even if the writing isn't of the same caliber. I will say again off topic why Ashita no Joe S1 over 2? Yep, too little mecha sci fi these days. I also take everything we get and hope it's good. Why Ashita no Joe S1 over S2? The answer is simple, Rikishi is such a good and complex character and the perfect antagonist. Nothing in S2 compares. |
Rifle said: BilboBaggins365 said: Yeah for a few titles. I mean I will admit bias that I want 86 to be good because the amount of war dramas or even mecha is pretty limited in the industry. It's probably one of my favourite genres main reason I am fan of pulp fiction franchises like 40k lol. I wish we had more titles like LOTGH even if the writing isn't of the same caliber. I will say again off topic why Ashita no Joe S1 over 2? Yep, too little mecha sci fi these days. I also take everything we get and hope it's good. Why Ashita no Joe S1 over S2? The answer is simple, Rikishi is such a good and complex character and the perfect antagonist. Nothing in S2 compares. Fair S2 redid the Carlos Rivera arc much better, Kim Yong-bi was tragic and I thought Jose was pretty good too but Rikishi was pretty much Joe's perfect rival. S2 also benefits I think from better pacing and of course beautiful animation and more dynamic matches. You also had that ending as well. Regardless probably will leave it now on 86 mainly just because I need to wait until it gets into more actually nitty gritty world building to really discuss if it's really solid or not there and see how the characters develop at least in the first cour. I do think it was a good choice not to do that in the first episode. I am at least excited for EP2. |
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