| Few things to note if you don't know what the fuck a Kiseki is 1. Kiseki or Trails is a subseries of a RPG franchise named The Legend of Heroes. It talks about this continent named Zemuria and its many mysteries. Trails is perhaps one of the most long and massive continuous fictional stories ever. So yeah don't expect this anime to be anything special. 2. Kiseki has currently 10 (+1) games divided in 3 arcs. It is planned to have 6 once it ends. Every arc is based on a nation in the Zemurian Continent. 1st- Liberl arc or Sky Trilogy: Everything starts with Trails in the Sky FC, continues with Trails in the Sky SC and ends with Trails in the Sky the 3rd. This arc is about 150h long 2nd- Crossbell arc or Zero/Ao duology Set few months after Sky 3rd, contains Zero no Kiseki and Ao no Kiseki (these two games aren't officially localized but there are extremely solid fan translations). This arc is about 160h long 3rd- Erebonia arc or Cold Steel arc: Known as Sen no Kiseki in JP, here is where this anime is based. It contains Cold Steel 1, 2, 3, 4 and Hajimari no Kiseki (released last year currently not localized). Cold Steel 1 and 2 are completely happening at the same time of Zero/Ao, that means you see major events from different perspectives. Cold Steel 3, 4 and Hajimari are all set a later. This arc is about 550-650h long. Hajimari no Kiseki marks the end of the first half of the series. 4th- Calvard arc: This arc will mark the beginning of the 2nd half of the series, this time moving to the Eastern part of the Zemurian Continent. It hasn't started yet, it will begin with Kuro no Kiseki releasing this year and probably continue with another pair of games All of these games are continuous. Ideally people start with Sky FC and continue chronologically; Cold Steel 3 is the point where it becomes pretty unplayable without having played everything. Finally there is also a little spinoff game named Nayuta no Kiseki which technically shouldn't be canon but it definitely is. 3. As you can imagine this series is based entirely on its godlike worldbuilding and lore. Every NPCs is extremely detailed and what makes the overall stories of the arcs great is the overarching story that started with the very first game. Needless to say, the pacing of this work is extremely fucking slow, and with slow I mean really fucking slow. This is why I believe that Kiseki is not something that you can adapt in any way to other medium. Stuff like manga and anime just aren't enough to make this work shine. Not only for the massive size, but also for its narrative style. That said, apparently we have some info about this anime not being actually centered on Sen no Kiseki story (Thank godness because how tf do you adapt 500h+ long story lmao) rather, it will be an anime with a new cast based on Sen no Kiseki (so during CS1 apparently). The anime will actually show other scenes not presented in the games (those who played CS1/CS2 and CS3 must have some ideas). It will be set in Western Zemuria, so probably not only limited to the Erebonian Empire. I can actually imagine it visiting places like Jurai and North Ambria. It could also cover stuff that the game couldn't show due to production and time. The producers said something about it being enjoyable by both fan of the series and those who don't know about it, idk really what to expect for this reason but I guess we will need to wait and see actual information. |
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LloydBann1ngs said: Liberl Arc and Crossbell Arcs are Masterpiece But... ColdSteel Ruined everything. Nihom Falcom biggest mistake is that piece of sh*t ok LloydBann1ngs |
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Aoishi said: [size=170]This is why I believe that Kiseki is not something that you can adapt in any way to other medium. Stuff like manga and anime just aren't enough to make this work shine. Not only for the massive size, but also for its narrative style. That said, apparently we have some info about this anime not being actually centered on Sen no Kiseki story (Thank godness because how tf do you adapt 500h+ long story lmao) rather, it will be an anime with a new cast based on Sen no Kiseki (so during CS1 apparently). The anime will actually show other scenes not presented in the games (those who played CS1/CS2 and CS3 must have some ideas). It will be set in Western Zemuria, so probably not only limited to the Erebonian Empire. I can actually imagine it visiting places like Jurai and North Ambria. It could also cover stuff that the game couldn't show due to production and time. The producers said something about it being enjoyable by both fan of the series and those who don't know about it, idk really what to expect for this reason but I guess we will need to wait and see actual information. But there is a manga adaptation of Sen no Kiseki (1) by Sagara Riri of Sounan Desu Ka? fame. Now, I know that it follows only the streamlined main story but that still seems like a valid adaptation as long as it's read as supplementary material for fans of the series. And may I please ask a source for the last part? All that sounds so very good. |
Avvenirista said: Aoishi said: [size=170]This is why I believe that Kiseki is not something that you can adapt in any way to other medium. Stuff like manga and anime just aren't enough to make this work shine. Not only for the massive size, but also for its narrative style. That said, apparently we have some info about this anime not being actually centered on Sen no Kiseki story (Thank godness because how tf do you adapt 500h+ long story lmao) rather, it will be an anime with a new cast based on Sen no Kiseki (so during CS1 apparently). The anime will actually show other scenes not presented in the games (those who played CS1/CS2 and CS3 must have some ideas). It will be set in Western Zemuria, so probably not only limited to the Erebonian Empire. I can actually imagine it visiting places like Jurai and North Ambria. It could also cover stuff that the game couldn't show due to production and time. The producers said something about it being enjoyable by both fan of the series and those who don't know about it, idk really what to expect for this reason but I guess we will need to wait and see actual information. But there is a manga adaptation of Sen no Kiseki (1) by Sagara Riri of Sounan Desu Ka? fame. Now, I know that it follows only the streamlined main story but that still seems like a valid adaptation as long as it's read as supplementary material for fans of the series. And may I please ask a source for the last part? All that sounds so very good. https://twitter.com/Hansuke21/status/1369372916387831815 Just gave a look at a pair of chapters and yeah its ok to read if you played the games but again my reason to say that Sen no Kiseki is basically impossible to adapt is because you lose most of the best parts of it (Worldbuilding), and the manga seems rushed as hell, thats why I suggest to simply play the games. |
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Aoishi said: Avvenirista said: But there is a manga adaptation of Sen no Kiseki (1) by Sagara Riri of Sounan Desu Ka? fame. Now, I know that it follows only the streamlined main story but that still seems like a valid adaptation as long as it's read as supplementary material for fans of the series. And may I please ask a source for the last part? All that sounds so very good. https://twitter.com/Hansuke21/status/1369372916387831815 Just gave a look at a pair of chapters and yeah its ok to read if you played the games but again my reason to say that Sen no Kiseki is basically impossible to adapt is because you lose most of the best parts of it (Worldbuilding), and the manga seems rushed as hell, thats why I suggest to simply play the games. Well, like I said the comic adaptation is primarily aimed at fans of the series who simply want to re-experience some of the game's events in a different format, neophytes are always recommended to play the games first. |
LloydBann1ngs said: ''you are just salty Rean did the harem better lmao'' ColdSteel fans being a bunch of idiots as ever. Reminder that most of the CS "issues" like harem and fanservice were started by Ao. Reminder that Crossbell itself as an arc shares a lot with CS and it doesn't work without it (Just like CS doesn't work without Crossbell) Reminder that most "ColdSteel" fans are just Trails fans that like the story for whatever it is, especially considering that most important elements of CS plot were thought even before Zero (Since Crossbell arc wasn't even planned, nor was Sky 3rd). Man... Can't believe Lloyd Bann1ngs created an account to slander his friend's arc  |
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| Hoping it will showcase what Rean was up to in between CS2 and CS3, including the North Ambria operation. |
Aoishi said: LloydBann1ngs said: ''you are just salty Rean did the harem better lmao'' ColdSteel fans being a bunch of idiots as ever. Reminder that most of the CS "issues" like harem and fanservice were started by Ao. Reminder that Crossbell itself as an arc shares a lot with CS and it doesn't work without it (Just like CS doesn't work without Crossbell) Reminder that most "ColdSteel" fans are just Trails fans that like the story for whatever it is, especially considering that most important elements of CS plot were thought even before Zero (Since Crossbell arc wasn't even planned, nor was Sky 3rd). Man... Can't believe Lloyd Bann1ngs created an account to slander his friend's arc I got into Trails last year, played up to Zero, waiting for Geofront to finish Azure, I really enjoyed those games though. Cold Steel is still good though right? Like, for the most part I've seen positive stuff about it, but then I see random people like this Lloydbannings account hating on it. Fanservice and harem really doesn't bother me tbh, I'm all for the harem tbh looool. I'm pretty excited to get to Cold Steel with how they set up some of it in Sky The Third (the Star door to do with Olivier) so it's kinda jarring seeing random outbursts about it like from that Lloydbannings account. I haven't played a lot of video games series, but Trails is on course to be my favourite tbh, even above Persona and Xenoblade Chronicles. Hopefully I will have played all the Cold Steel games before the anime comes out. |
| Sen is definitely good if you enjoy the previous 5 game, Sen is split into 3 arc, Sen 1&2, Sen3&4 and Hajimari which is more of a sora 3rd kinda of game, one thing i will mention is how the gameplay imo felt better from ao upward its slick and fast(well as fast as a turn based game can get), not to mention in The Calvard game you can switch to Action mode like Ys but i think its mostly for grinding in the road and kept the pacing better as the maps is getting bigger by each game |
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mosam00 said: Aoishi said: Reminder that most of the CS "issues" like harem and fanservice were started by Ao. Reminder that Crossbell itself as an arc shares a lot with CS and it doesn't work without it (Just like CS doesn't work without Crossbell) Reminder that most "ColdSteel" fans are just Trails fans that like the story for whatever it is, especially considering that most important elements of CS plot were thought even before Zero (Since Crossbell arc wasn't even planned, nor was Sky 3rd). Man... Can't believe Lloyd Bann1ngs created an account to slander his friend's arc I got into Trails last year, played up to Zero, waiting for Geofront to finish Azure, I really enjoyed those games though. Cold Steel is still good though right? Like, for the most part I've seen positive stuff about it, but then I see random people like this Lloydbannings account hating on it. Fanservice and harem really doesn't bother me tbh, I'm all for the harem tbh looool. I'm pretty excited to get to Cold Steel with how they set up some of it in Sky The Third (the Star door to do with Olivier) so it's kinda jarring seeing random outbursts about it like from that Lloydbannings account. I haven't played a lot of video games series, but Trails is on course to be my favourite tbh, even above Persona and Xenoblade Chronicles. Hopefully I will have played all the Cold Steel games before the anime comes out. Nah dw the Cold Steel debate is always exaggerated and shit. The actual thing I completely agree with about the criticism of Cold Steel is that the pacing sucks for the entirety of CS2 and CS4 lmao. Theres also filler here and there and things Falcom could have done differently imo, but yeah that's pretty much it. Also imo Sen has the best moments for sure, plot twist etc. The overarching story is moving a lot in the past games and its getting extremely interesting, so if you really loved Sora/Crossbell and you don't mind slow pacing and fanservice yeah you're going to love it as much as the past arcs dw. You're also going to see a lot of things about Osborne and Olivier, that were set up in Sky 3rd and trust me its great. Overall its just seen as cool to hate on CS arc because as I said it has the most of weak points in the series one can attack but have you ever heard of a fictional work without issues? The series has its up and downs but its still my absolute favorite, I love pretty much all arcs equally and there are games i love more than others of course. |
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Valyrian1124 said: Hoping it will showcase what Rean was up to in between CS2 and CS3, including the North Ambria operation. So true that thing was extremely interesting but CS3 didnt have the time to expand on it. I'm also extremely curious on Although it seems this anime is basically going to be an Akatsuki no Kiseki with a new cast and a completely separated story. |
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Aoishi said: hating Cold Steel is the cool kids club of Kiseki even though CS is the best one lmaomosam00 said: I got into Trails last year, played up to Zero, waiting for Geofront to finish Azure, I really enjoyed those games though. Cold Steel is still good though right? Like, for the most part I've seen positive stuff about it, but then I see random people like this Lloydbannings account hating on it. Fanservice and harem really doesn't bother me tbh, I'm all for the harem tbh looool. I'm pretty excited to get to Cold Steel with how they set up some of it in Sky The Third (the Star door to do with Olivier) so it's kinda jarring seeing random outbursts about it like from that Lloydbannings account. I haven't played a lot of video games series, but Trails is on course to be my favourite tbh, even above Persona and Xenoblade Chronicles. Hopefully I will have played all the Cold Steel games before the anime comes out. Nah dw the Cold Steel debate is always exaggerated and shit. The actual thing I completely agree with about the criticism of Cold Steel is that the pacing sucks for the entirety of CS2 and CS4 lmao. Theres also filler here and there and things Falcom could have done differently imo, but yeah that's pretty much it. Also imo Sen has the best moments for sure, plot twist etc. The overarching story is moving a lot in the past games and its getting extremely interesting, so if you really loved Sora/Crossbell and you don't mind slow pacing and fanservice yeah you're going to love it as much as the past arcs dw. You're also going to see a lot of things about Osborne and Olivier, that were set up in Sky 3rd and trust me its great. Overall its just seen as cool to hate on CS arc because as I said it has the most of weak points in the series one can attack but have you ever heard of a fictional work without issues? The series has its up and downs but its still my absolute favorite, I love pretty much all arcs equally and there are games i love more than others of course. |
Aoishi said: Nah dw the Cold Steel debate is always exaggerated and shit. hating Cold Steel is the cool kids club of Kiseki even though CS is the best one lmao[/quote] It's a generational war, the same as any other when a franchise goes for long enough. Generational wars have been happening as far back as the TOS vs TNG wars in the 1980s, but I think the Trails fandom is especially bad. In the beginning, there were a handful of diehard fans who played the original PSP version of FC, who waited years for the retranslation and SC to come out. They founded the Trails fandom in the West. Their word was dogma, and they're rather rabid and chase out people who don't agree with their opinions. They were reinforced by the echo-chamber/hivemind that is the reddit due to the upvote/downvote system, where you are incentivized to say the popular thing to get that dopamine hit of upvotes, and if you're unpopular, then seeing your opinions collapsed and buried for getting too many downvotes eventually makes you just stop going to the subreddit altogether. The diehards told people "no no, you just HAVE to start at FC! And if you don't play the series in order, then you are getting a subpar experience and your opinions are wrong!". Going through that play order is grueling and only a small fraction of people survive it, and if they do survive it, the naturally they are diehard fans who will regurgitate that same opinion over and over to newcomers. And, ofcourse, you had the Crossbell games, which were fantranslated by the core group of diehards who tout it nonstop, and by this point and people who are participating in the fandom have probably survived the grueling induction ritual, so ofcourse they're going to play Crossbell and tout it as the best thing ever. It helps that they have the confirmation bias that hardly anyone who isn't already a fan of Trails is going to download and install fan translations, and then say "well, actually Ao is a meh game". You also have the CinemaSins generation of internet posters, who think that they are smart for pointing out cliches, and since anime became mainstream in 2011-2012, most people are familiar with tropes that were popular in the 2010s. It's easy to call out the tropes in Cold Steel and then turn around and say "Trails in the Sky didn't rely on anime tropes!"... because those people hadn't seen the anime from the 1990s and early 2000s that Sky drew upon. Any way, my obligatory hot take tax: CS2 (10/10 amazing) > CS1 (9/10 great) > 3rd (8/10 very good) > FC (7/10 good) > CS3 = CS4 = SC = Zero (6/10 fine) >> Ao (4/10 bad) |
aliuzr98otaku said: CS1 9/10? U joking right? 1. I felt that the implication was that Thors was once a real military academy, but over the past few decades Erebonia has been really secure and there wasn't as much of a need for a big military anymore, so it gradually became more of a glorified community college. The combat classes are a noticeable artifact of the earlier years, as it seems Thors only held combat classes for an hour or two once a week, and every class besides Class VII never were able to regularly use their skills, so what was the point? 2. Made sense to me. 3. My understanding is that after Rean spent the whole day unable to pick a club, Sara pretty much "picked a club" for him by pushing him to help Towa run the school by delievering papers, doing miscellaneous tasks, etc. 4. It made sense to me. Well, this is pretty much my read on Rean, or one I agree with. (CS1 and CS2 spoilers) I gave CS1 a 9/10 because I really enjoyed it. It was very well paced and I was hardly ever bored, except for towards the end of chapter 5 and chapter 6. I like almost all of the characters. Music is great. Combat is very good and gets even better in CS2. I quite like the story and at no point does it jump the shark (unlike most other Trails games). |
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