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| Yo the episode was fire, judging from the preview do I see Historia and Kenny??? |
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| I didn't expect to see Reiner narrating the potato scene with a straight face. And you can see the division of the Eldianos well without counting their alienation, even without calling them "good Eldianos." |
| "I don't want to achieve anything, I just think that the person who has the greatest freedom in the ocean is the king of pirates." - Monkey D. Luffy. "There is no one better than me when it comes to ending the expectations of others." - Natsuki Subaru |
| When the dude looked in the window at the start of the show, the sea looked kinda weird. I saw the cups and plates CGI'd...epic. This episode really focuses on Marley and there plans going fourth. Was touching to see the soldiers reunite with their family. Feel bad for the people who are inheriting Titans cause their life span is decreased but then again they see it as a way to serve their country. Good episode :) |
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| I felt really bad for Ymir. The anime made that scene much darker. |
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Murajsam5673 said: Yo the episode was fire, judging from the preview do I see Historia and Kenny??? Nop, they are Kenny and Annie |
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| I'm surprised at how much they're rushing through it. It's perfectly watchable content but many subtle things get lost, and some scenes don't get to become "a moment" of their own right. These include the opening scene, Reiner and Porco's conversation, Gabi and Reiner's conversation, the Warriors' return to Liberio, Reiner's conversation with Falco, as well as Zeke's tea talk with the warriors. Don't get me wrong, none of these moments are badly directed or hard to watch or anything. It's just that, by timing at least a few of them properly, by slowing the dialogue down, having a few silences here, a few background-edits there, it would've allowed these scenes to delve into a higher level of introspection and poetry. They could've been actual key moments of great emotional depth; the really slow ones that are just there without moving the actual plot forward. I always saw Marley Arc more as a work of literature, a slow paced, slice of life, anti-war drama that doesn't go out of its way to spend a little extra time on a presumably boring interaction just to set a painful and awkward mood. I enjoy comparing it to anti-war drama's like Das Leben Der Anderen (2006), Il Conformista (1970), or The Deer Hunter (1978) because they all contain these suddenly placed, awkward, brutally honest and stretched out moments that are all sort of able to confront viewers with a character's guilt, hypocrisy, fear, doubts etc. The current pacing sadly isn't allowing Marley Arc to reach this level of drama. I'll give three examples of scenes that could've reached the emotional depth that they deserved if they were given a little more screen-time to stretch out. These are only three examples, but it happens all the time, and it happened in the previous episode too: 01. Reiner and Porco's conversation about Marcel and Ymir is a fully matured work of poetry in the manga. The way Porco speaks about Reiner from Ymir's memories, confronting Reiner about his Paradis personality, recognizing traits of his dead brother in Reiner's former behavior (we even see Reiner from Ymir's point of view in the original panel!!!!!), describing his personal grudge to this broken man, only for Reiner to indifferently confirm these hateful words... is profoundly beautiful content that takes much more time to sink in than it was given here. Like, that's some out of this world introspection right there and it deserves to a moment in its own right. 02. The warriors' return to Liberio could've been much grander. Omitting their walk through the city was a bad idea as the hateful glares of Marleyan citizens would have added a much needed, darker undertone to their victorious return. It was essentially a weird, twisted walk of shame in the manga. The directors made a much sweeter moment out of it (the slight feel good music wasn't helping either and neither did it help during the scene at the Middle-Eastern bay) by omitting the ugly details that took place before it and in doing that, the scene lost a lot of its tragic quality. Showing actual, detailed and inevitably sad overview shots of the internment district would've helped in setting the mood too, but we're dealing with a rushed adaptation here, and there sadly isn't much time/resources to pay attention to these things. 03. Reiner and Gabi's conversation on their walk to the military headquarters is a prime example of how they sacrificed Marley Arc's "slife of life" aspects by omitting little, heartfelt details such as Gabi's silly conversation with the Marleyan guards (the ones watching over the district's walls) and Reiner and Gabi's stroll across the market wherein they're greeted by the friendly Eldians. These interactions are incredibly and impossibly wholesome and go out of their way to humanize both the feared Armored Titan as well as his successor by positioning them like normal people in a world that we recognize as real. The first time I read that I was like “Holy shit that's the Armored Titan being greeted by a bunch of friendly people who are all proud of him for the horrors he's committed that's fucking beautiful”. Isayama took every little moment he could in order to humanize and make relatable the people outside of the walls and it's a big part in why Marley Arc is arguably the best arc in the entire series, but the adaptation fails flat at reflecting the Arc's poetic aspirations. Bonus: Omitting Pieck's "titan crawl" is tragic as it was yet another clever, heartfelt, funny and surprising way to humanize a warrior and show the consequences of their powers in a realistic, brutally casual way. Again, nothing too big, but these are already four incredibly original and poignant scenes that they cut out. Scenes that, because they were added, allowed the Marley Arc to become a part of the story that is richer, more heartfelt, more realistic and more complete than any other Arc. By omitting scenes and details, or not giving chunks of dialogue the time or focus to become introspective, highly poetic moments, the Marley Arc is being paced much more as a plot focused Political Thriller, than as a character focused War Drama. Visually, it was an overall improvement over the last episode. Beautifully detailed close-ups of Reiner are always welcome and the animated shadows and camera work in the opening scene are impressive. I enjoyed the ambiance during the Reiner, Porco and Pieck's scene, which ended with one of those silent moments of awkwardly pleasant melancholy I would've loved to see all over the episode. The character acting was downright amazing in some scenes (Zeke's speech to General Calvi, Gabi at the train station) and extremely awkward in others (Udo on the port, Zeke and Colt after the meeting) but I still think that the character designs lack consistency from scene to scene (sometimes even from shot to shot) a little too much this early in the production. The compositing switches from surprisingly good (especially during close-ups, as well as a couple of eye catching light tricks here and there) to bad (during a large part of the episode it feels as if everything is rendered in the same texture) throughout the episode depending on how well drawn the character designs are (poorly drawn characters need more blur in order to not stand out against the background art) and the background art isn't particularly consistent; With the beautiful interior of the train borrowing elements from photorealism, and the in-between backgrounds being drawn in a less artful, less realistic style. A visual improvement over the last episode but sadly for me, it doesn't bring me the slow-paced poetry or hyper focused introspection that I crave for in cinema, literature, television, anime or comic books. I don't think they'll be able to actually butcher this Arc, but with the route that they're taking now, it's building up to become a faster paced, political side-arc, opposed to a deeply personal drama that carries in itself all the details that give away access to the heart of this story. |
MironBironDec 13, 2020 3:01 PM
| Direction improved, perfectly paced, amazing use of rotoscoping and extremely engaging story. This time, I have nothing to complain and it made me pretty sure almost all the negative assumptions about MAPPA's adaptation are wrong. The only reason I still won't give it a 10 is because I'll will wait for a potential really impactful episode for it. |
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| Not really impressed with the content of this episode and it's been a while since I've seen animation this bad.... |
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| Hayashi >>>> Araki. Change my mind. I really loved the "camera movement", sometimes I felt that I watch a live-action series! |
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| @MironBiron Get ready my man, they are coming for your ass lmao. I bet at least three people are writing a reply to you as I'm writing this. |
SirTristram said: @MironBiron Get ready my man, they are coming for your ass lmao. I bet at least three people are writing a reply to you as I'm writing this. Hahahahahahahaha I hope not! I wrote a very nuanced reply I believe! chiearlymorning said: I agree with everything you said Thanks bro I hope you're not joking because you've been on a roll lately. |
| it was a fine episode, but i miss my main crew!!!! i want to see what they have been up to in these four years, just a flashback of levi and mikasa isn't enough and i'm not as attached to these new kids but i will admit that i am becoming more sympathetic towards reiner and the eldians on the mainland and their aims. tbh nobody is right or wrong, it's just people following and believing what they have been told also reiner recounting sasha's potato story brought a smile to my face, the way he was saying it as if it was some super evil act lol anyway i hope we see the original gang again soon i miss them |
| I can still see some fans having severe separation anxiety from WIT STUDIO thinking that its a big disservice to have this handed over to MAPPA lmao. Regardless of the outcome, having this handed over to WIT will just be as "disastrous" given that Isayama is still calling most of the shots in this season with MAPPA's staff. For a TV series, having this much character animation in a single episode is uncommon even WIT didn't bother to focus on this when they had the chance to work on it. You may say Kyoto Animation and Trigger used to do these kinds of character acting in all of their works so it's not that unusual but they didn't have much releases nowadays due to the former still recovering from the fire, and the latter just rarely does stuff. Seeing MAPPA put this amount of work in just a single episode despite their scheduling issues is commendable enough even if it has its rough moments. MironBiron said: I'm surprised at how much they're rushing through it. It's perfectly watchable content but many subtle things get lost, and some scenes don't get to become "a moment" of their own right. These include the opening scene, Reiner and Porco's conversation, Gabi and Reiner's conversation, the Warriors' return to Liberio, Reiner's conversation with Falco, as well as Zeke's tea talk with the warriors. Don't get me wrong, none of these moments are badly directed or hard to watch or anything. It's just that, by timing at least a few of them properly, by slowing the dialogue down, having a few silences here, a few background-edits there, it would've allowed these scenes to delve into a higher level of introspection and poetry. They could've been actual key moments of great emotional depth; the really slow ones that are just there without moving the actual plot forward. I always saw Marley Arc more as a work of literature, a slow paced, slice of life, anti-war drama that doesn't go out of its way to spend a little extra time on a presumably boring interaction just to set a painful and awkward mood. I enjoy comparing it to anti-war drama's like Das Leben Der Anderen (2006), Il Conformista (1970), or The Deer Hunter (1978) because they all contain these suddenly placed, awkward, brutally honest and stretched out moments that are all sort of able to confront viewers with a character's guilt, hypocrisy, fear, doubts etc. The current pacing sadly isn't allowing Marley Arc to reach this level of drama. I'll give three examples of scenes that could've reached the emotional depth that they deserved if they were given a little more screen-time to stretch out. These are only three examples, but it happens all the time, and it happened in the previous episode too: 01. Reiner and Porco's conversation about Marcel and Ymir is a fully matured work of poetry in the manga. The way Porco speaks about Reiner from Ymir's memories, confronting Reiner about his Paradis personality, recognizing traits of his dead brother in Reiner's former behavior (we even see Reiner from Ymir's point of view in the original panel!!!!!), describing his personal grudge to this broken man, only for Reiner to indifferently confirm these hateful words... is profoundly beautiful content that takes much more time to sink in than it was given here. Like, that's some out of this world introspection right there and it deserves to a moment in its own right. 02. The warriors' return to Liberio could've been much grander. Omitting their walk through the city was a bad idea as the hateful glares of Marleyan citizens would have added a much needed, darker undertone to their victorious return. It was essentially a weird, twisted walk of shame in the manga. The directors made a much sweeter moment out of it (the slight feel good music wasn't helping either and neither did it help during the scene at the Middle-Eastern bay) by omitting the ugly details that took place before it and in doing that, the scene lost a lot of its tragic quality. Showing actual, detailed and inevitably sad overview shots of the internment district would've helped in setting the mood too, but we're dealing with a rushed adaptation here, and there sadly isn't much time/resources to pay attention to these things. 03. Reiner and Gabi's conversation on their walk to the military headquarters is a prime example of how they sacrificed Marley Arc's "slife of life" aspects by omitting little, heartfelt details such as Gabi's silly conversation with the Marleyan guards (the ones watching over the district's walls) and Reiner and Gabi's stroll across the market wherein they're greeted by the friendly Eldians. These interactions are incredibly and impossibly wholesome and go out of their way to humanize both the feared Armored Titan as well as his successor by positioning them like normal people in a world that we recognize as real. The first time I read that I was like “Holy shit that's the Armored Titan being greeted by a bunch of friendly people who are all proud of him for the horrors he's committed that's fucking beautiful”. Isayama took every little moment he could in order to humanize and make relatable the people outside of the walls and it's a big part in why Marley Arc is arguably the best arc in the entire series, but the adaptation fails flat at reflecting the Arc's poetic aspirations. Bonus: Omitting Pieck's "titan crawl" is tragic as it was yet another clever, heartfelt, funny and surprising way to humanize a warrior and show the consequences of their powers in a realistic, brutally casual way. Again, nothing too big, but these are already four incredibly original and poignant scenes that they cut out. Scenes that, because they were added, allowed the Marley Arc to become a part of the story that is richer, more heartfelt, more realistic and more complete than any other Arc. By omitting scenes and details, or not giving chunks of dialogue the time or focus to become introspective, highly poetic moments, the Marley Arc is being paced much more as a plot focused Political Thriller, than as a character focused War Drama. Visually, it was an overall improvement over the last episode. Beautifully detailed close-ups of Reiner are always welcome and the animated shadows and camera work in the opening scene are impressive. I enjoyed the ambiance during the Reiner, Porco and Pieck's scene, which ended with one of those silent moments of awkwardly pleasant melancholy I would've loved to see all over the episode. The character acting was downright amazing in some scenes (Zeke's speech to General Calvi, Gabi at the train station) and extremely awkward in others (Udo on the port, Zeke and Colt after the meeting) but I still think that the character designs lack consistency from scene to scene (sometimes even from shot to shot) a little too much this early in the production. The compositing switches from surprisingly good (especially during close-ups, as well as a couple of eye catching light tricks here and there) to bad (during a large part of the episode it feels as if everything is rendered in the same texture) throughout the episode depending on how well drawn the character designs are (poorly drawn characters need more blur in order to not stand out against the background art) and the background art isn't particularly consistent; With the beautiful interior of the train borrowing elements from photorealism, and the in-between backgrounds being drawn in a less artful, less realistic style. A visual improvement over the last episode but sadly for me, it doesn't bring me the slow-paced poetry or hyper focused introspection that I crave for in cinema, literature, television, anime or comic books. I don't think they'll be able to actually butcher this Arc, but with the route that they're taking now, it's building up to become a faster paced, political side-arc, opposed to a deeply personal drama that carries in itself all the details that give away access to the heart of this story. I am not a manga reader but I'd like to say that this is so far one of the well-thought and unbiased opinions in this thread. I personally loved the new season as an anime-only watcher and as an animator as well and it's really interesting to see in-depth analysis just like this from a manga reader like you. These kinds of comments are what compels me to pick up the source material. |
ZnraDec 13, 2020 3:28 PM
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| The animation was weird this episode. At times, it felt like there weren't enough frames. Some of the movements felt quite unnatural too. The camera also moved in a weird way. The art was weird at times. Hanae Natsuki has voiced too many famous characters, so it's hard not to hear Kaneki or Tanjirou when listening to his voice. Falco has a lot of scenes in the story, so I wish they got someone better for the role. Pieck's voice doesn't sound like she's in her early twenties at all. It seems they repositioned Eren on a building instead of being behind Reiner's group. I feel like this episode went too fast. The characters were speaking without a proper pause, and it made them sound very incompetent. A proper leader should speak with proper enunciation. . . like Erwin does or Pixis, or Shadis. I had quite a lot of problem with the way this episode was directed. It was like they wanted to end this and get to the war as quick as possible. But, Snk is not all about war! The story has conspiracy and politics and lots of proper mysteries. I hope the next episode is better. |
| Why did they waste time on terrible character animation. Rather have parts be "moving manga" than ugly ass directing. Better to just read the manga since they're skipping much needed characterization anyway. Pce out Final Season. |
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| Besides some really nice spotlights for Reiner, it’s a pretty ho-hum episode at best. The 2D aesthetics sure feel quite off; I think the staff probably wanted to animate those more but the added details came off more weird than impressive to me. Just comes off as jarring and admittedly ugly at times. Not like anything really helps considering I don’t expect anything to improve my opinion of stuff after the huge Wall Maria clash in the previous season. |
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MironBiron said: SirTristram said: @MironBiron Get ready my man, they are coming for your ass lmao. I bet at least three people are writing a reply to you as I'm writing this. Hahahahahahahaha I hope not! I wrote a very nuanced reply I believe! chiearlymorning said: I agree with everything you said Thanks bro I hope you're not joking because you've been on a roll lately. Nothing wrong with positive or negative feedback regarding something provided there's context and evidence. See nothing wrong with your post. |
| Horrible pacing. Episode felt rushed. I dont think anime-only understood who pieck was Too much information in a single episode. No time to introduce the new characters. |
| Pack it up boys, valid criticism is no more!!! (because some fanboys said so) Seriously, why wouldn't someone be demanding with something they like? On another note, pretty nice episode, I found the pacing to be perfect. According to manga readers, some stuff was ommitted (but I think they just rearranged the chapters, according to some other manga readers, maybe both things). In the end I would prefer if nothing was skipped: I don't give a flying duck about the manga, but I'm a supporter of faithful adaptations, unless the adaptation improves on the original source. Dinner scene was too cringey with the animation, but that's all of my complaints animation wise. Artstyle good, sound is there, characters still look like potatoes so it means it's SnK. I was going to complain about certain spoiler (if it really is one), but damn if it is legit, it's one of those spoilers that hype me up. Damn, I do hate time skips doe. |
| 4 years have passed, Technology is advancing at a rapid rate, It's now or never, retrieve the Founding Titan! Well, certainly in the endgame now. Paradisians are certainly putting their two titans at work, destroyed 32 ships. Seems Gabi has caught on... maybe the Paradisians aren't so bad after all. Anyway, excited to see how our Paradisians have grown over this time skip. |
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| Pieck is cute and interesting, honestly loved how she was laying on that couch during that meeting. Seems the Anime now mentioned that it was 4 years since Zeke's defeat by Levi, eventho someone was kind enough to answer me last week. Loving this mature and older Reiner. The way he described all the guys on the island was pretty funny, but its interesting to see how the people there view everyone on that island. Everyone saying about spotting Eren, rewatched it and yeah spotted him second time around. |
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| This episode were just full of talking but I love how accurate it is from the manga. We got to see Galliard and Pieck faces. |
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| @MironBiron I agree with you. This is starting to feel like I am watching Tokyo Ghoul. Everything is rushed. |
CeddyyBearr said: Pieck is cute and interesting, honestly loved how she was laying on that couch during that meeting. Seems the Anime now mentioned that it was 4 years since Zeke's defeat by Levi, eventho someone was kind enough to answer me last week. Loving this mature and older Reiner. The way he described all the guys on the island was pretty funny, but its interesting to see how the people there view everyone on that island. Everyone saying about spotting Eren, rewatched it and yeah spotted him second time around. Where did you see him? Which timestamp? Was it the guy with one leg? |
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| This show truly is a masterpiece. The camera movements are a bit weird for me but they work in most cases like in the last scene when they panned from pieck to reiner. And speaking of Pieck holy shit I love her so much. Not a big fan of the excessive blur especially in the scene where they were at the docks but it's okay. This episode made you think about the "good edians" and why they think the people of Paradis are devils. They've been living in a world where there is no justice and freedom that it impaired their judgement of it. But marleyans or eldian they are still human like they showed in that one scene where Reiner saw his old comrades. That was heartwarming honestly. But damn who would've thought that the walls had more freedom. I'd like to mention that one scene where Zeke didn't know he had royal blood. He's really clueless lol. Also The Turner family was mentioned and manga readers are hyped for a certain so ig im hyped too. |
dompsterfireDec 13, 2020 4:08 PM
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Look at this realistic animation guys,espeically when her dad held her! really felt like i was in a movie. |
Sad7727Dec 13, 2020 3:48 PM
| I found a bit weird the animation of Zeke walking up the stairs, but besides of that, It was nice. I enjoyed the episode a lot. |
| Did they forget to add some frames in this episode? It looked so weird |
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Sad7727 said: Look at this realistic animation guys,espeically when her dad held her! really felt like i was in a movie.  This was actually one of my least favorite examples of character acting here. It looks like rotoscope over a low frame-rate CGI model. I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic, but it would’ve been more elegant if they went for a limitedly animated, well storyboarded sequence of close-ups and backgrounds instead of this. |
MironBiron said: Sad7727 said: Look at this realistic animation guys,espeically when her dad held her! really felt like i was in a movie. This was actually one of my least favorite examples of character acting here. It looks like rotoscope over a low frame-rate CGI model. I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic, but it would’ve been more elegant if they went for a limitedly animated, well storyboarded sequence of close-ups and backgrounds instead of this. It was veteran animator/director from season 1 showing off his rotoscope fantasy. Just try to act like that scene never happend, because the said veteran shouldn't appear anymore/a lot |
Znra said: I am not a manga reader but I'd like to say that this is so far one of the well-thought and unbiased opinions in this thread. Thank you. I have the feeling that many people think that I’m biased as shit so this is nice to read. |
| Good episode. I only have two nitpicks in terms of how the chapters were adapted. My first nitpick is that I would have preferred to have seen them animate the walk through the section outside the internment zone where all the non Marleyans look at them suspiciously despite the Eldians going to war for their sake. It's like a few panels on one page in the manga so it's not like it's an important scene, but it's a scene that still sticks out to me. My second nitpick is that they omitted Zeke's second line towards Pieck in the Warrior meeting scene where they're being spied on. He commends her for her thoughts, but unlike the manga he only does it once. Not having Zeke compliment her a second time ruined the effect of Zeke's silly behavior towards her in that scene. |
MironBiron said: I agree with this lol. That scene where Zeke was smoking and he and Colt were going up the stairs. That felt a bit weird and some camera movement were eh but the scene in the ending though where the camera panned to Pieck and then to Reiner was really good imo.Sad7727 said: Look at this realistic animation guys,espeically when her dad held her! really felt like i was in a movie. This was actually one of my least favorite examples of character acting here. It looks like rotoscope over a low frame-rate CGI model. I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic, but it would’ve been more elegant if they went for a limitedly animated, well storyboarded sequence of close-ups and backgrounds instead of this. |
dompsterfireDec 13, 2020 8:03 PM
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