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SparkleDuck said: It is not as though the text had to be sent at any exact time. There were several hours of leeway. LOL... Just like in the manga, the "put the phone in the exact spot so that a text would send at a certain time of the day based on how the sun works" concept is as laughable as you can get. This isn't a scenario in which overly precise predictions and coincidences have to work out perfectly. Compare to some of the things that happen in Death Note, Code Geass, No Game No Life, etc. |
TheDeedsOfMenDec 3, 2020 8:37 AM
charliechuckle said: "First few episodes" meaning how many? The first ten episodes or so already feature mind-boggling strategic incompetence. In a few "strategic" moves, Light manages to narrow L's list of likely suspects from tens of millions to only him and a few others, with little to no benefit for Light. I seriously doubt that even Yuka or Michiru would bungle the situation as badly because Light goes so far out of his way to incriminate himself. Light has to be practically the worst strategist on the planet.TheDeedsOfMen said: It is not as though the text had to be sent at any exact time. There were several hours of leeway. This isn't a scenario in which overly precise predictions and coincidences have to work out perfectly. Compare to some of the things that happen in Death Note, Code Geass, No Game No Life, etc. I watched the first few epiisodes of Death Note because you said it was stupid. Everyone seemed to be acting normal in that show. Unless you are talking about the psychopath mass murderer who is literally insane. Ya, that's called insanity. That's like claiming the Joker is the same as this show. I'm sorry, there is a difference between a single insane character getting lucky, verses the getting lucky that the entire population is too monumentally stupid. One is exponentially more impossible. Later on, he also makes nigh-impossible plans that rely on many other characters behaving in precisely the right way over long periods of time, which he has no way to reliably know. "Just as planned"? How could he have possibly planned it? Also, Light is only able to stop an informant because he happens to be in the right place at the right time to meet them. Light is more than a bit lucky. Light is astronomically lucky. Yet Death Note portrays Light as a genius. No, he isn't a genius. He is absolutely terrible at making strategic decisions, so bad that any average person would fare far better with the titular magical notebook in their hand. Death Note wielders should realistically never be caught or even cornered. Light only manages to get in tough situations because he almost completely throws away his initial advantage. I could go on for a full essay. L, the investigation team, etc. also make absurdly poor decisions many times. And yes, many of the characters in Talentless Nana behave strangely, most notably believing in invisible mind-controlling aliens. That is because they were brainwashed to believe in them, as stated very early on. At least that is an explanation. Death Note barely even tries to explain the characters' poor decisions; we are simply supposed to believe that geniuses can make impossible predictions and that their obvious mistakes are actually genius too. |
TheDeedsOfMenDec 3, 2020 11:10 AM
| Nana is super smart! Wish that they could have done something about the plot armor though. I though Michiru was hiding her trueself so she can trick Nana but no, it was an another guy. So this guy can copy and use all of the talented abilities (If Nana kills him I will say it's because of plot armor; because he is so op! There is no way he can die easily) Was really an interesting,amazing, and fun episode! Looking forward for more. |
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Strykeryno said: The time of sunrise is easily predictable though. The real problem was if sunlight actually didn't stop the zombies or at least stop them fast enough.2nd was in the shed when Nana was jumped by zombies and right after that sun rised which was honestly more Deus ex machina moment. Strykeryno said: It isn't only a shonen thing. People should realize that in the vast majority of action shows the protagonists would realistically be dead within a few episodes. How convenient that every sword, bullet, etc. happens to miss or only barely graze them.But still whatever man it's shounen. it's common for shounen to have plot armor and Deus ex machina moments. People often make the mistake of confusing the aura of realism with actual realism, just like they mistake the aura of genius with actual genius, and the aura of philosophy with actual philosophy. Death Note is an easy target, but how many people criticize e.g. Monster because Johan Liebert has impossible, practically magical powers of persuasion even though his arguments don't actually make sense or have much appeal? Most people don't because the narrative exudes an aura of realism. (The philosophy also isn't nearly as intelligent as many people think, but that is a separate issue.) If people take a hard line against plot armor and want to be consistent about it, they will have to trash vast segments of their anime and manga lists. But of course, generic battle shonen is the most obvious target of all. You are not wrong. |
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charliechuckle said: Light is always portrayed as a genius, throughout the show. L often praises his intelligence, and other characters do the same. He is praised as the best student in all of Japan. L even uses Kira's "intelligence" in his psychological profiling. Light is allegedly carrying out detailed, well-crafted schemes, not "doing insane random things." Are you even watching the same show? That is the most absurd interpretation of Light Yagami's portrayal I have ever seen in my life.TheDeedsOfMen said: "First few episodes" meaning how many? The first ten episodes or so already feature mind-boggling strategic incompetence. In a few "strategic" moves, Light manages to narrow L's list of likely suspects from tens of millions to only him and a few others, with little to no benefit for Light. I seriously doubt that even Yuka or Michiru would bungle the situation as badly because Light goes so far out of his way to incriminate himself. Light has to be practically the worst strategist on the planet. Later on, he also makes nigh-impossible plans that rely on many other characters behaving in precisely the right way over long periods of time, which he has no way to reliably know. "Just as planned"? How could he have possibly planned it? Also, Light is only able to stop an informant because he happens to be in the right place at the right time to meet them. Light is more than a bit lucky. Light is astronomically lucky. Yet Death Note portrays Light as a genius. No, he isn't a genius. He is absolutely terrible at making strategic decisions, so bad that any average person would fare far better with the titular magical notebook in their hand. Death Note wielders should realistically never be caught or even cornered. Light only manages to get in tough situations because he almost completely throws away his initial advantage. I could go on for a full essay. L, the investigation team, etc. also make absurdly poor decisions many times. And yes, many of the characters in Talentless Nana behave strangely, most notably believing in invisible mind-controlling aliens. That is because they were brainwashed to believe in them, as stated very early on. At least that is an explanation. Death Note barely even tries to explain the characters' poor decisions; we are simply supposed to believe that geniuses can make impossible predictions and that their obvious mistakes are actually genius too. Well, Light is never portrayed as a genius in any way. He's more like a psychopath killer doing insane random things that justify his bent morality. He did write in the book to make his victims do crazy things before dying. Are you talking about non-victims doing crazy unrealistic things? In that case, then it would match the stupid unrealistic actions of the students in Talent-less Nana. In Talent-less Nana they had several opportunities to reveal the mass murderer. Physical evidence, pictures, or speaking to the dead for examples were stopped by the completely incompetent students. Do the non-victims of DN do the exact same thing to magically help Light get away from getting caught? Sure, many of the characters trust Light way too much despite the evidence against him, and let him access far too much information for no reason. Let's invite the prime suspect and tell him of our investigation, great move there. Or the informant who believed in Light's lies even though they could have tried to verify the facts first. But the main point is that Light doesn't need their efforts to get caught because he does a fine job himself. He is pretty much the least competent strategist on the planet. If you are a criminal, you are not supposed to constantly feed free incriminating info to the detective for no reason! It shouldn't be that hard to grasp. Owning a Death Note is so advantageous that it should mean an instant win, and to almost anyone else it would. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if most of those "completely incompetent students" fared better than Light if they had his magic notebook. Why wouldn't they? Practically anyone would. Even inaction and continuing random killings of criminals would be better than the "genius" schemes Light comes up with. And when he gets into trouble, the plot comes to save him with convenient deus ex machinas despite astronomical odds. The whole plot of Death Note is extremely unrealistic and fueled by magical plot power. ...I still enjoyed many parts of Death Note, but the point is that the strategies make very little sense. Far less sense than what happens in Talentless Nana because this show at least provides some semi-plausible explanations. charliechuckle said: Wait, so you suggest Kyoya to kidnap and torture Nana without solid evidence. He would have to be willing to murder her then because if she ever got out, it would make it incredibly easy for her to frame him for all the murders so far. "Look, this guy is obviously evil and guilty."Thanks for the quick reply, That explanation gets old, and doesn't work when considering previous dead people; and he knows nothing about her. Revealing himself was the dumbest move ever. He would already be dead if not for the invulnerability powers. What if she figures out a way to kill invulnerable powered people? Well, he's fucked just like the previous dead people. He is stupid, because that is the obvious outcome (history repeating itself). If he had any sense; then he would kidnap, and torture the girl. This would do two things. Reveal her power if she had any, or that she is the most well trained government agent ever. In a way, he is trying to solve a mystery in the worst way possible. By giving a mass murderer freedom. In reality, nobody would ever do this unless they were slightly insane. Lucky for Talent-less Nana, all the students have maxed out their stupid insane stats. And more importantly, have you noticed that Kyoya isn't supposed to be a cold-blooded kidnapper and torturer? That is not his role in the narrative. |
TheDeedsOfMenDec 3, 2020 7:32 PM
charliechuckle said: I am not the one implying that people good at school are geniuses, Death Note is. Your argument just criticizes that show further. What is your point?TheDeedsOfMen said: Light is always portrayed as a genius, throughout the show. L often praises his intelligence, and other characters do the same. He is praised as the best student in all of Japan. L even uses Kira's "intelligence" in his psychological profiling. Light is allegedly carrying out detailed, well-crafted schemes, not "doing insane random things." Are you even watching the same show? That is the most absurd interpretation of Light Yagami's portrayal I have ever seen in my life. Sure, many of the characters trust Light way too much despite the evidence against him, and let him access far too much information for no reason. Let's invite the prime suspect and tell him of our investigation, great move there. Or the informant who believed in Light's lies even though they could have tried to verify the facts first. But the main point is that Light doesn't need their efforts to get caught because he does a fine job himself. He is pretty much the least competent strategist on the planet. If you are a criminal, you are not supposed to constantly feed free incriminating info to the detective for no reason! It shouldn't be that hard to grasp. Owning a Death Note is so advantageous that it should mean an instant win, and to almost anyone else it would. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if most of those "completely incompetent students" fared better than Light if they had his magic notebook. Why wouldn't they? Practically anyone would. Even inaction and continuing random killings of criminals would be better than the "genius" schemes Light comes up with. And when he gets into trouble, the plot comes to save him with convenient deus ex machinas despite astronomical odds. The whole plot of Death Note is extremely unrealistic and fueled by magical plot power. ...I still enjoyed many parts of Death Note, but the point is that the strategies make very little sense. Far less sense than what happens in Talentless Nana because this show at least provides some semi-plausible explanations. Wait, so you suggest Kyoya to kidnap and torture Nana without solid evidence. He would have to be willing to murder her then because if she ever got out, it would make it incredibly easy for her to frame him for all the murders so far. "Look, this guy is obviously evil and guilty." And more importantly, have you noticed that Kyoya isn't supposed to be a cold-blooded kidnapper and torturer? That is not his role in the narrative. Being the top of your high school class doesn't make you a genius. I was the top of my class and nobody cared. Being the smartest idiot doesn't make you a genius. Actions make the person, not the high school grades. charliechuckle said: If you think the cat is motivated by exposing Nana, you have been paying zero attention.The cat was spying and saw all her murders; or he had enough evidence to be absolutely certain she was a murderer. charliechuckle said: The only one who did that was Tsunekichi, and that was because he had a strong empirical basis to trust his photos. (Still dumb for not anticipating fakes, to be fair.) On Yuka, it is partially correct, but if she had tried to reveal Nana, it would have lead to obvious problems.Things that support my case: ----- From episode 1 or 2, I predicted every single murder style, and I haven't been wrong yet. Step 1) Figure out Nana the Talentless is the mass murderer Step 2) Keep it a secret, don't tell anyone Step 3) Reveal all your secrets to Nana. Show Nana what all your powers are and expose your weakness. Step 4) Go find a private place with no witnesses. Go there with Nana to die. Step 5) Successfully let Nana kill you. Leaving no clues or evidence. What kind of mental gymnastics are you using to make that fit Habu and Kaori's deaths though? This is getting absolutely ridiculous. There would be far more legit arguments to use against this show. You are wasting time with silly ones. charliechuckle said: What would that even have to do with strategic incompetence? Nothing, that's what. So if it was a generic hero winning with far greater plot armor, would you be fine with that? Your list is stacked with battle shonen and similar shows, so maybe that actually is the case. Talentless Nana 1/10, but Sword Art Online 10/10. Is that what the world has come to?Plot twist #2) She betrays the government, everyone forgives her for mass murdering innocent children; because she helped take down the world government. Eventually, the universe comes to terms with mass murderers, child rapists, torturers, etc and makes new laws to give them a second chance. Right? Also, good job skipping all the Death Note stuff. Why do I even bother typing any replies? |
TheDeedsOfMenDec 3, 2020 10:34 PM
| oh god! damn! the turning point of this show! Tachibana Jin might be on a whole different league level! 5/5!!! |
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| The new character eventually arised.Tachibana Jin actually has appeared in the openning.He with eagle sharp eyes and a pair of glasses which reflect light made us know he's not a man who can be easily defeated.His supernatural power of copying others' look and abilities is really Invincible.Hope to see how Nana deal with this kind of situation. |
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charliechuckle said: ...But we didn't disagree on that. We can't agree to disagree when we don't disagree.TheDeedsOfMen said: I am not the one implying that people good at school are geniuses, Death Note is. Your argument just criticizes that show further. What is your point? Lets agree to disagree. People in movies saying a person is a genius does not make the person a genius. People have called me a genius in school too, but that doesn't make me a true genius. When a uneducated child calls you a genius (because you can beat Zelda Breath of the Wild easily which i can), it doesn't mean you are a true genius of strategy. In short, genius is a meaningless label when the actions of the person doesn't reflect it. charliechuckle said: Yet you 10/10'd SAO anyway.Deathnote, Light was an idiot the moment I saw him in episode 1 or 2 and that is why I haven't watched this stupid anime. In fact, he is one of the most dumbest protagonists I've ever seen. I would say he is even dumber than Sword Art Online main character. charliechuckle said: Tachibana is not primarily interested in saving the students. He gains more information about the conspiracy by letting Nana live for now and making a deal with her (or pretending to do so). Exposing her immediately wouldn't help at all; it would deny him of information and tip the conspiracy off more quickly.TheDeedsOfMen said: If you think the cat is motivated by exposing Nana, you have been paying zero attention. #1) The cat was spying. TRUE #2) The cat saw evidence that she is a murderer. TRUE #3) The cat is just as stupid and crazy as the other students. TRUE A) The cat reveals his super powers and weaknesses to Nana (just like I predicted) B) The cat keeps Nana's secrete (just like I predicted) C) The cat gains nothing by revealing A and B I was not paying attention? What did I miss? charliechuckle said: It isn't stupid not to expose Nana if they have legit reasons for it. It would often be harmful for them. That is the main problem.TheDeedsOfMen said: The only one who did that was Tsunekichi, and that was because he had a strong empirical basis to trust his photos. (Still dumb for not anticipating fakes, to be fair.) On Yuka, it is partially correct, but if she had tried to reveal Nana, it would have lead to obvious problems. What kind of mental gymnastics are you using to make that fit Habu and Kaori's deaths though? This is getting absolutely ridiculous. There would be far more legit arguments to use against this show. You are wasting time with silly ones. I made these impossible stupid predictions after Episode 2. You just confirmed that I was correct in predicting several of the murder scenarios, and you don't see this as a problem. Why? The parts about going somewhere specifically to die, voluntarily explaining weaknesses, and leaving no clues or evidence are also false, either always or most of the time. charliechuckle said: That is a red alert right there for not paying attention.I don't know the names of any of the characters in this show. charliechuckle said: Nah, that would be far more enjoyable than the usual anime plot developments. I'd take it in a second. Remember that it wouldn't necessarily mean that the narrative endorses murder, etc.TheDeedsOfMen said: What would that even have to do with strategic incompetence? Nothing, that's what. So if it was a generic hero winning with far greater plot armor, would you be fine with that? Your list is stacked with battle shonen and similar shows, so maybe that actually is the case. Talentless Nana 1/10, but Sword Art Online 10/10. Is that what the world has come to? Oh, you have a problem with my prediction of a plot twist? Does it hurt your feelings, because it comes true? charliechuckle said: The irrationality is only relevant because it results in strategic incompetence.Strategic incompetence? Not sure what you mean here. It's more the opposite. Completely irrational characters to make Nana successful in every way possible. charliechuckle said: Sure there is some plot armor. Practically every piece of fiction has some. I don't think there is more than in most anime though. And nowhere near as much as in Death Note or some of the other examples I have mentioned.Plot Armor? Do you mean how the entire universe is completely irrational in thought that she can get away with her non-sense plans? Are you admitting that I'm right? The characters are irrational because they were brainwashed by the government to believe in irrational conspiracy theories. You know, the part about invisible aliens and so on. That was stated almost immediately. charliechuckle said: I mentioned SAO because I argue that it makes your complaints about plot armor internally inconsistent. Kirito is wearing tons of plot armor thanks to convenient power-ups, villains sabotaging their own plans, and most of the cast worshipping him. If you like SAO that much, you should be fine with a lot of plot armor.Talentless Nana 1/10 Sword Art Online 10/10 -- Let me guess, you think everyone needs to think like you or they are stupid. You think people with different opinions or ideas should be harassed, exiled or worse. charliechuckle said: I am pretty sure that most characters worshipping Kirito to the extent that they do counts as irrational. The villains have no sensible motives, and they often go out of their way to sabotage their own plans.If you think SAO characters act irrational, then at least give me an example. What season, and/or episode? I would agree with you. Of course, it would be even easier to see the irrationality if the author wasn't trying to make everything so blatantly obvious. The obvious heroes are obvious, as are the obvious villains. If Kirito was a serial killer, would his harem and extended fanclub really figure it out? I am not so sure. They have absolute faith in him and worship the ground on which he walks. If there was any excuse, they would probably buy it. charliechuckle said: So the ratings are inaccurate, then.However, that rating is based on when I watched it. Not current modern times. charliechuckle said: Nah, it is not the popularity. There are several reasons why I dislike SAO, such as most characters worshipping the protagonist to an absurd degree (far more than Nana) or the protagonist winning with convenient, OP combat abilities without much effort.You hate SAO, because it is popular. However, you are too ignorant or bigoted to understand why it is popular. The most relevant reason is that the author is afraid of taking any moral stance that is not completely obvious or standard. Kirito is in favor of generic good things and against generic bad things. No opinion on anything interesting, nuanced, or even remotely debatable. It is one of the simplest story templates available and has been re-told countless times in human history. The obvious good guy defeats the obvious bad guys with his combat abilities and wins the affection of many women. |
TheDeedsOfMenDec 4, 2020 8:43 AM
| The cool senpai is here. Sometimes, I think this show is so dumb. But, then I'm like, yeah it's fine. |
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charliechuckle said: #1) Tachibana (the cat guy, i assume) is a psychopath. This is what I've been saying the whole time. He is a psychopath, irrational and crazy. Correct? No rational person is going to hide evidence of a mass murderer. He isn't a psychopath. It is more like he thinks primarily in the longer term than only saving the students for a short period of time. And his altruism isn't perfect by any means.Having morally debatable or questionable motives doesn't make a person irrational. That is different. You keep throwing around the word "irrational" as a blanket check against anyone who isn't super-altruistic or who is at least willing to ignore immediate suffering in favor of greater good in the long term. charliechuckle said: The latter statement does not even logically follow from what I said. Rather, whether to expose people is not determined by rationality alone.We'll just have to "agree to disagree" on this one. I think rational people expose evidence that might prove a serial killer; and you think rational people should hide evidence till it feels right. charliechuckle said: Dying isn't proof of irrationality. Not even always of stupidity, except in some cases. It depends on the details. Some of them may have been mentally ill, dumb, or irrational, but if so, their death is not what proves it. #2) Every character that decides to not expose Nana has proven to be the irrational, or stupid. Most of them proven with empirical evidence (their deaths). charliechuckle said: #3) I don't know the names of most side characters of any shows because their names don't matter to me. I'm certain you don't either. If tested on the spot, then you would fail to name them too. This makes you sound disingenuous for calling it a "red alert" for not paying attention. Well, that's a problem on your end. I can usually name a large number of characters. I can actually remember over a hundred characters from Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu. Not a problem.You are "certain" of what other people can or can't remember without a shred of evidence or basis. What a weird thing to say. It is so likely to be false, considering normal cognitive capabilities. charliechuckle said: Well, I don't know whom you know, but there aren't even that many characters in this one, for instance. There are shows with only a handful of characters. Come on.In fact, I don't know anyone that could name all the side characters of a show. charliechuckle said: English isn't my first language. That never stopped me.Especially if the names are not native to their language/dialect. charliechuckle said: Yet when anyone points out inconsistencies with your predictions, you ignore those points. So you claim you have predicted literally everything when you luckily predict some things sometimes, which isn't exactly difficult to do.Honestly, I don't need to pay attention when I have literally predicted every outcome months ago. And even if you had managed to predict some general things, paying attention would be pretty important for evaluating the narrative as a whole. So basically, if I can predict that Kirito beats up the bad guys with OP abilities over and over again and expands his harem and fanclub, is that by itself grounds for 1/10'ing Sword Art Online? I don't need to know anything else. That sounds ridiculous. charliechuckle said: Not in favor of the protagonist intrinsically, but in practice, yes, because the protagonist happens to know the truth. And not absolutely every character, but many of them, yes.#4) You admit that every character is brainwashed by the government and therefor acts irrationally in favor of the protagonist. charliechuckle said: I didn't say that they are all loonies or psychos. Entirely different than believing too much in propaganda.It's basically a loony bin. This is a huge problem for me. We'll need to agree to disagree. I think "everyone being brainwashed irrational" is a bad excuse to have in a mystery type story/plot. You believe the mystery story is more exciting when everyone is acting brainwashed crazy psycho. And I don't believe that the brainwashing makes the story more exciting. It doesn't logically follow from what I said. Anyway, you must have huge problems with large segments of dystopian and socially critical literature then. Heavy propaganda is often a part of the premise. Fine, I guess, if you dislike it for whatever reason. charliechuckle said: I wasn't trying to argue about why SAO is empirically popular or why you like it. I argued about why I dislike it. The former is irrelevant to the latter. After all, you claimed that I dislike SAO because it is popular, so I answered with some actual reasons. Other people's reasons for liking or disliking it are irrelevant in that context. Furthermore, empirically knowing why something is popular does not by itself result in the person with the knowledge liking or disliking it. And I don't see any normative reason why the reasons for popularity should intrinsically be a factor in anyone's personal preferences.#5) You talked way too much about SAO and completely missed the point. You are too ignorant to look up why it became so popular; and far too bigoted to try to understand why people love and/or hate it so much. If you create a thread in SAO, reply here with a link to it, then I will explain to you why it's was entertaining for me to watch in the SAO forum. The reasons are far too complex to put in this forum. It has a lot more to do with the timing (the date it was released), then anything. Enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onYSNgHbbW8&ab_channel=Gigguk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfi6hUPJpe4&ab_channel=Gigguk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO1btdKvovI&ab_channel=JOHKERR The second point I was arguing is that your stances on plot armor and irrationality are inconsistent because you are only applying them selectively. Your enjoyment of the show does nothing to disprove that. (I didn't bother to watch the videos, by the way.) Here's the thing: You conflate completely different concepts and issues with each other and act as though they are the same things. And you also act as though you can logically infer statements that you can't. Try to keep a clearer picture about what we are talking about in each context. Though I am not sure if I feel like writing much more if it's going to be as logically messy as this. |
TheDeedsOfMenDec 4, 2020 2:24 PM
| Jin seems like he could turn this sinking ship around - but he probably won't because Kyoya seemed to be very intelligent at the start of the season and now he's just kinda... meh. Also, he'll definitely do some stupid af things cause plot armour. I feel like I'm kinda done with this anime but I also feel like I should see it to the end since I've come so far. |
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Strykeryno said: There is an additional point to make. If Tsunekichi had exposed Nana, it would have made it very difficult for the photos to come true, and the photos had to come true because of fate and all that. Things played out as they did because the characters were who they were.2) If somebody would want to expose Nana they would need a solid proof which only photo guy had one, but yea he was cocky asshole poisoned by his own power that tried to rape Nana and ultimetely met his demise, Now, if someone wants to go after those plot points because they dislike railroaded fate as a narrative device, that is fair game. I would probably agree. Or if they think Tsunekichi isn't very interesting as a character, then that's fair too. |
MrZweihander said: I don't think that Nana's plan would work, as far as I know, touchscreens react to the electricity in the nerves of the fingers, the zombie wouldn't be able to activate it. Nani? Almost anything food-related works with the touch screen. Bananas, sausages, tomatoes, potatoes, zombies, dead kittens... Anything. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH9JKszcCBQ |
SemExpectativa said: So Nana met with one of the students who was sent earlier, in this case the only one who survived and he is very strong since he can use the power of any talented person. But how can he not know Nana's power if he could become her? Considering that he turned into several classmates. Because Nana doesn't have a talent? I guess that's one of Jin's limitations. If he could turn into her then he would just do that instead of asking about her "real talent" in the first place. |
SparkleDuck said: LOL... Just like in the manga, the "put the phone in the exact spot so that a text would send at a certain time of the day based on how the sun works" concept is as laughable as you can get. The show forces any nonsensical idea it can just to let Nana kill for a little longer. Glad it eventually stops being this stupid, but man the first half of the series (so far, in accordance with the manga) is so bad. If it looks stupid but works it's not stupid (c) I don't understand the problem with the physical handmade timer. There's a lot of stories where a burning candle or a cube of melting ice is figured. It's just kinda hard to find such things in the woods. Though she could've used the ice from the lake if it still hasn't melted. |
A-Joy said: Because Nana doesn't have a talent? I guess that's one of Jin's limitations. If he could turn into her then he would just do that instead of asking about her "real talent" in the first place. It makes sense, maybe he just didn't meet the requirements to be able to become Nana or he already knows that she has no talent and just wanted to confirm. |
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charliechuckle said: It was established that the predictions made by the photos take into consideration how the characters react to those photos. The fake photo was what convinced Tsunekichi to show up at the murder scene in the first place. He was refusing to go anywhere near it prior to that.TheDeedsOfMen said: There is an additional point to make. If Tsunekichi had exposed Nana, it would have made it very difficult for the photos to come true, and the photos had to come true because of fate and all that. Things played out as they did because the characters were who they were. Now, if someone wants to go after those plot points because they dislike railroaded fate as a narrative device, that is fair game. I would probably agree. Or if they think Tsunekichi isn't very interesting as a character, then that's fair too. If Tsunekichi exposed Nana, it would not have made a difference. The predicted future would have still happened. The rest of it I have addressed already, some of it several times. |
charliechuckle said: I am not interested in speaking further to a person who casually drops lines like that.-- You obviously don't care; but we should talk about this on discord, zoom or something. I'm interested in why you cannot see your own delusion. It's like the government murdered your parents and you are brainwashed preventing you from seeing the other side of the story. |
charliechuckle said: ...What?If it's a spoiler, then at least mark it as a spoiler. I thought it was pretty obvious from the start, but upon researching the WIKI. It is also marked as a spoiler on the WIKI too. To be fair, many others have already said multiple times that the government brainwashed the students on this thread already... You could also say that my future predictions coming true are spoilers too. *Shrug* That is why I wanted to take this conversation out of this thread. I was saying that you keep harassing people in this thread in aggressive, weird, and threatening ways, and I am not interested in conversations like that. I thought I was clear enough, but I guess not. |
charliechuckle said: Feelings? I don't want people throwing death threats in my direction.TheDeedsOfMen said: ...What? I was saying that you keep harassing people in this thread in aggressive, weird, and threatening ways, and I am not interested in conversations like that. I thought I was clear enough, but I guess not. Sorry, I misunderstood you. Are you claiming that I hurt your feelings? Can you first apologize for hurting my feelings, and then I might think you are sincere about this claim. And people shouldn't take your aggressive personal insults either. If this is how you talk to people, I think you need professional help. I am not even being hyperbolic here. |
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