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Oct 24, 2020 6:00 PM
#1
So, I've read the manga like y'all, liked it like y'all, and was anticipating the anime like y'all. And I had to say my disappointment started as soon as we got the key visual. It just did not line up with the art style in more than a few ways (mainly I feel like the manga's facials style was botched, as well as the colors of the visual feeling saturated.) Then fast-forward to the anime's release and they make episode 1 start like what, 30 chapters into the anime? If you were anime only, and not told this was an isekai, you would not even know. But that's just episode one I guess. I dunno overall it feels like it just feels really subpar. Does anyone else share my disappointment? Or am I just tripping? |
Oct 24, 2020 9:39 PM
#2
LN reader here so can't say about the art style in manga. But you're not alone, my expectations went down the drain as soon as I heard Yuna's voice in the first episode. And I have no idea why the hell first episode is like that, second episode should've been the first episode. |
Oct 25, 2020 6:50 AM
#3
When they make a LN series they don't use manga art style they tend to more or less make it identical to the LN |
Oct 25, 2020 4:46 PM
#4
Mattinator95 said: When they make a LN series they don't use manga art style they tend to more or less make it identical to the LN True that may be, except the manga, especially the manga's volume covers, have a art style similar to that of the novel picture pages and and covers. The anime has deviated from both of them. |
Oct 27, 2020 6:54 AM
#5
I haven't read the source but I am kinda satisfied with it. |
It's not that I dislike this genre but... to add unnecessary fan services to/in/for heroines and ultimately destroys her character and personality; their purity tarnished because of it, is the only thing I hope to not happen to them. For that sole purity is my fan service. |
Oct 29, 2020 2:06 AM
#6
Dogemy said: Mattinator95 said: When they make a LN series they don't use manga art style they tend to more or less make it identical to the LN True that may be, except the manga, especially the manga's volume covers, have a art style similar to that of the novel picture pages and and covers. The anime has deviated from both of them. So it's another I asked for my abilities to be average adaption |
Oct 29, 2020 2:34 AM
#7
I'm enjoying this adaptation. |
Oct 29, 2020 6:27 PM
#8
I read the first volume of the novel and I like the anime more so far. This is partially because the whole idea I feel just works much better in a visual format, but also I think the anime has chosen better stories to adapt. I didn't much like the first volume, but some of these episodes I don't even recognize. |
Nov 4, 2020 5:25 PM
#9
every season there ofc has to be a sauce fag that ruins it for everyone sasuga |
So embarrased with Tensura fans and the fandom, how have we degraded |
Nov 4, 2020 6:22 PM
#10
SASUGA ONCE AGAIN for discussions like these. I just...can't. If you're a first-time watcher a.k.a new to anime in general, PLEASE UNDERSTAND that not everything is like 1-for-1 adaptation of the source material. Sometimes the production team decides to do what they do, and although I'd lament that Episode 2 should've been Episode 1, using Episode 1 to give a preface that overall gives mixed feelings is a better compromise to go the uncharted path. |
Nov 5, 2020 2:18 AM
#11
I think people need to stop comparing books to video adaptation it wil never be the same. every anime on this site has a topic complaining about adaptation how bad it is and so on if you cant handle some change never watch television or movies again because not 1 movie is 100% accurate to there source matrial. |
Nov 5, 2020 2:46 AM
#12
I am very disappointment First it looks like it was going to be pure and gay . Only cute girls exactly how I want it But there are so many creepy anime males in this that i cant enjoy it Only having cute girls on the cover with a lot of Yuri vibes, then sneaking males in That is IMO almost Yuri bait . And for that this anime is probably going to get 1/10 in the end from me . So for my taste this anime is a huge disappointment |
Yuri-CrusaderNov 5, 2020 3:05 AM
Nov 5, 2020 4:18 AM
#13
the worst part imo, is sometimes these sauce fags mention spoilers in episode threads. Some spoilers are not even inside spoiler tag.. |
Nov 5, 2020 4:59 AM
#14
Liddo-kun said: the worst part imo, is sometimes these sauce fags mention spoilers in episode threads. Some spoilers are not even inside spoiler tag.. you'll get used to it :pepehands: |
So embarrased with Tensura fans and the fandom, how have we degraded |
Nov 5, 2020 5:14 AM
#15
Mei-o_Scarlett said: Liddo-kun said: the worst part imo, is sometimes these sauce fags mention spoilers in episode threads. Some spoilers are not even inside spoiler tag.. you'll get used to it :pepehands: have developed the skill "post and go". Which is leaving a post in episode thread, and not read anything else. I don't do it for every anime.. but if I know an anime has a manga or a novel, I apply "post and go" method to at least episodes 1-3. Did that here. ;) |
Nov 5, 2020 3:07 PM
#16
Liddo-kun said: Mei-o_Scarlett said: Liddo-kun said: the worst part imo, is sometimes these sauce fags mention spoilers in episode threads. Some spoilers are not even inside spoiler tag.. you'll get used to it :pepehands: have developed the skill "post and go". Which is leaving a post in episode thread, and not read anything else. I don't do it for every anime.. but if I know an anime has a manga or a novel, I apply "post and go" method to at least episodes 1-3. Did that here. ;) it aint like people had to check this thread out. the wording of the title is asking if you are disappointed by it as a adaptation. to me this strongly suggests how you think it lived up to its source. this aint even an episode thread, its a standalone topic, aimed basically exclusive to manga/novel readers. that is why the "have not read" option is there |
Nov 5, 2020 3:08 PM
#17
KANLen09 said: SASUGA ONCE AGAIN for discussions like these. I just...can't. If you're a first-time watcher a.k.a new to anime in general, PLEASE UNDERSTAND that not everything is like 1-for-1 adaptation of the source material. Sometimes the production team decides to do what they do, and although I'd lament that Episode 2 should've been Episode 1, using Episode 1 to give a preface that overall gives mixed feelings is a better compromise to go the uncharted path. my main gripe was the art style deviation, i even acknowledge "that's just one episode i guess' when i mention the strange starting point. edit: yeah i know it wont be one for one, that does not change the fact that if a deviation seems bad to me... it will seem bad to me. creative liberties will always be taken, and i think some of the ones here are bad. i mean its not really a bombshell of an opinion that the quality between adaptations and the anime can be huge making one feel better than other to someone who has seen both. |
DogemyNov 5, 2020 3:12 PM
Nov 5, 2020 11:52 PM
#18
Dogemy said: Liddo-kun said: Mei-o_Scarlett said: Liddo-kun said: the worst part imo, is sometimes these sauce fags mention spoilers in episode threads. Some spoilers are not even inside spoiler tag.. you'll get used to it :pepehands: have developed the skill "post and go". Which is leaving a post in episode thread, and not read anything else. I don't do it for every anime.. but if I know an anime has a manga or a novel, I apply "post and go" method to at least episodes 1-3. Did that here. ;) it aint like people had to check this thread out. the wording of the title is asking if you are disappointed by it as a adaptation. to me this strongly suggests how you think it lived up to its source. this aint even an episode thread, its a standalone topic, aimed basically exclusive to manga/novel readers. that is why the "have not read" option is there huh, what are you saying? |
Nov 6, 2020 12:06 AM
#19
Huh, what are you saying? Disappointment always in the end |
Nov 6, 2020 7:35 AM
#20
Longtime WN and manga reader here, personally the art style didn't bother me too much since I didn't have high expectations in the first place. Yuna's voice only bothered me for the first episode, but it's kinda grown on me. The biggest problems I have with the anime so far is the fact that they seem to be rushing events along to get to some kind of climax which Doesn't really exist in the story Yuna is not a the cheerful, shy "regular highschool girl" kinda character. Yuna(WN) is kinda lazy, sarcastic, highly confident in her abilities and intelligence and she NEVER cries, basically a dude, almost |
Nov 10, 2020 4:42 PM
#21
DaiChiSei said: Yuna is not a the cheerful, shy "regular highschool girl" kinda character. Yuna(WN) is kinda lazy, sarcastic, highly confident in her abilities and intelligence and she NEVER cries, basically a dude, almost I think the problem here may be that you're comparing WN with an adaptation of a LN; it's almost the same as with people who always compare anime with a manga adaptation (when the source material is really a LN) I would say WN are just rough sketches, unsupervised by anyone except for the original author, so when they get licensed and start to be officially published the editor may change a lot of things - for example even the personality of the MC Are you sure her personality the way it is depicted in the LN? |
Nov 11, 2020 6:26 AM
#22
I like it, it's on my weekly watchlist. Don't care about the source, or the preachers of the book. Are you even trying to watch the anime or doing 1v1 comparison of what's adapted and what's not? Be grateful it's picked up. It's not a popular one, the budget is not very high, and you can't expect more than 13 episodes. The production team has to put a reasonable number of chapters in those 13 episodes, and maybe go for another season if it's successful enough. There's no freaking way a small studio can afford to translate your desired number of chapters in 13 episodes without cut with a limited production budget. Learn to appreciate little things. |
Nov 11, 2020 6:29 AM
#23
It's the same thing each season, with diff anime, in that 'it's not a perfect match to the Manga, or LN, or if it's in my mind, too different from it's material, then it's a disappointment/bad adaptation.' It's sad really. As it's still very much enjoyable. The art style is colourful and good far as I am concerned, and Yuna's voice, or any other voice didn't bother me at all. Can't really be a 'disappointment' if it's basically a 7/10 show. So far at least anyway. The only stupid idea, was how they started it, with how episode 1 was. Episode 1 should've been what episode 2 was. |
EllenwitchNov 11, 2020 7:18 PM
Nov 11, 2020 6:58 AM
#24
I'm not a manga/LN reader and so far it's a really chill and nice isekai, I don't have any complain. It's just...nice and enjoyable |
Nov 11, 2020 7:57 AM
#25
Dogemy said: Point taken and understood.KANLen09 said: SASUGA ONCE AGAIN for discussions like these. I just...can't. If you're a first-time watcher a.k.a new to anime in general, PLEASE UNDERSTAND that not everything is like 1-for-1 adaptation of the source material. Sometimes the production team decides to do what they do, and although I'd lament that Episode 2 should've been Episode 1, using Episode 1 to give a preface that overall gives mixed feelings is a better compromise to go the uncharted path. my main gripe was the art style deviation, i even acknowledge "that's just one episode i guess' when i mention the strange starting point. edit: yeah i know it wont be one for one, that does not change the fact that if a deviation seems bad to me... it will seem bad to me. creative liberties will always be taken, and i think some of the ones here are bad. i mean its not really a bombshell of an opinion that the quality between adaptations and the anime can be huge making one feel better than other to someone who has seen both. Nowadays for anime adaptations of LNs I try to reference the manga adaptations, and though it's not the best way to consume the original LNs for what they are, I'd think it's the sane presentation of the same material in another source, Good or bad, that's in part of the story and narratives, and as such I kinda get what you mean there. |
Nov 11, 2020 8:29 AM
#26
Dogemy said: The main source material ain't even the manga lol it's Light Novel. The manga is adapted from the Light Novel and the anime is adapted from the LN too. So I dun see a single reason as to why the anime needs to follow manga visual/artstyle.So, I've read the manga like y'all, liked it like y'all, and was anticipating the anime like y'all. And I had to say my disappointment started as soon as we got the key visual. It just did not line up with the art style in more than a few ways (mainly I feel like the manga's facials style was botched, as well as the colors of the visual feeling saturated.) Then fast-forward to the anime's release and they make episode 1 start like what, 30 chapters into the anime? If you were anime only, and not told this was an isekai, you would not even know. But that's just episode one I guess. I dunno overall it feels like it just feels really subpar. Does anyone else share my disappointment? Or am I just tripping? As for starting at a weird place that was a smart move from the anime team. If it started from episode 2 then it would have been your generic isekai start but with how the premise was there was no way to know that this was even an isekai anime untill second episode. So the fact that this was an isekai anime came as a nice surprise. Also lastly u can't expect every anime that comes out to have high budget and rock solid production. |
Nov 11, 2020 8:52 AM
#27
JanPri said: DaiChiSei said: Yuna is not a the cheerful, shy "regular highschool girl" kinda character. Yuna(WN) is kinda lazy, sarcastic, highly confident in her abilities and intelligence and she NEVER cries, basically a dude, almost I think the problem here may be that you're comparing WN with an adaptation of a LN; it's almost the same as with people who always compare anime with a manga adaptation (when the source material is really a LN) I would say WN are just rough sketches, unsupervised by anyone except for the original author, so when they get licensed and start to be officially published the editor may change a lot of things - for example even the personality of the MC Are you sure her personality the way it is depicted in the LN? I read the LNs (not the WN or manga) and her personality there is pretty much as DaiChiSei described. The best scene in the anime so far for me was in episode 3, and it actually wasn't in the novels. Spoiler in case anyone's reading this and hasn't watched it yet - When Lurina tries to Wake Yuna up and she just rolls over and goes back to sleep, then comes out and acts like nothing happened. It's not in the book but it perfectly captured how her personality comes across in the books As stupid as the whole timeline rearranging in episode 1 was, the worst episode for me so far was ep 5, because as DaiChiSei said, they really butchered MC's personality here. I can't remember any instance in the novels where she cries or rolls around the floor in front of someone in embarrasment like here. I 've been ok with all the minor changes here and there because you expect that, but it really felt like they'd rewritten her personality in this episode which was pretty frustrating. For the people who were talking about time contraints, they just spent about 70% of episode 6 on totally original filler, while skipping over material that should have occurred in place of that filler. So, I don't believe deviations from the source are really due to time issues in this case. Personally, I reckon whoever was in charge of writing the adapted screenplay has simply decided that they felt they could write a lot of the content better than the original author and changed it to suit their tastes. Given the response on the episode threads from anime only viewers I think it's fair to say that, confusing opening episode aside, most people are enjoying how it's been done so it's hard to say the anime makers have done it wrong. At this point, I wish I would have waited and watched the anime first myself and simply enjoyed it for what it is, then read the novels to get the "proper" story. |
Nov 11, 2020 6:35 PM
#28
JanPri said: DaiChiSei said: Yuna is not a the cheerful, shy "regular highschool girl" kinda character. Yuna(WN) is kinda lazy, sarcastic, highly confident in her abilities and intelligence and she NEVER cries, basically a dude, almost I think the problem here may be that you're comparing WN with an adaptation of a LN; it's almost the same as with people who always compare anime with a manga adaptation (when the source material is really a LN) I would say WN are just rough sketches, unsupervised by anyone except for the original author, so when they get licensed and start to be officially published the editor may change a lot of things - for example even the personality of the MC Are you sure her personality the way it is depicted in the LN? I compare to the manga and novel illustrations. Which are basically the same. |
Nov 11, 2020 6:41 PM
#29
salarx said: I like it, it's on my weekly watchlist. Don't care about the source, or the preachers of the book. Are you even trying to watch the anime or doing 1v1 comparison of what's adapted and what's not? Be grateful it's picked up. It's not a popular one, the budget is not very high, and you can't expect more than 13 episodes. The production team has to put a reasonable number of chapters in those 13 episodes, and maybe go for another season if it's successful enough. There's no freaking way a small studio can afford to translate your desired number of chapters in 13 episodes without cut with a limited production budget. Learn to appreciate little things. Never said anything about under or over adapting. I never asked for an anime in the first place because I was fine with what we had. And curious to see what we get. The idea that anything is above criticism because "they did not need to make it" or "they are a small budding studio" is just not true. I am even more critical because personally based of this studio's recent history it was off to a shaky start between assassins pride and prodigies-isekai. According to your logic we are not allowed to talk about the faults of something like... arifuerta because we should be honored the studio graced us with anything at all. Its neat that this was picked up, but nothing more because i never thought it needed an adaptation. |
Nov 11, 2020 6:47 PM
#30
KANLen09 said: Dogemy said: Point taken and understood.KANLen09 said: SASUGA ONCE AGAIN for discussions like these. I just...can't. If you're a first-time watcher a.k.a new to anime in general, PLEASE UNDERSTAND that not everything is like 1-for-1 adaptation of the source material. Sometimes the production team decides to do what they do, and although I'd lament that Episode 2 should've been Episode 1, using Episode 1 to give a preface that overall gives mixed feelings is a better compromise to go the uncharted path. my main gripe was the art style deviation, i even acknowledge "that's just one episode i guess' when i mention the strange starting point. edit: yeah i know it wont be one for one, that does not change the fact that if a deviation seems bad to me... it will seem bad to me. creative liberties will always be taken, and i think some of the ones here are bad. i mean its not really a bombshell of an opinion that the quality between adaptations and the anime can be huge making one feel better than other to someone who has seen both. Nowadays for anime adaptations of LNs I try to reference the manga adaptations, and though it's not the best way to consume the original LNs for what they are, I'd think it's the sane presentation of the same material in another source, Good or bad, that's in part of the story and narratives, and as such I kinda get what you mean there. I generally don't hold the anime i watch to the standard of the manga its based off of. Because I know more often than not, I am asking for disappointment. Like an upcoming anime for something I read, Slime-taoshite, If it deviates heavily from the OG style, I prob won't care that much. KKKB is unique because to me its style is soooo good. I really like how the manga is drawn so to see that aspect of all things messed with hit me more than others could. I mean you can already compare me to other manga readers who say they did not see the difference because it was not obvious. Regardless, I appreciate your ability to understand my perspective. |
Nov 11, 2020 6:57 PM
#31
MegamiRem said: Dogemy said: The main source material ain't even the manga lol it's Light Novel. The manga is adapted from the Light Novel and the anime is adapted from the LN too. So I dun see a single reason as to why the anime needs to follow manga visual/artstyle.So, I've read the manga like y'all, liked it like y'all, and was anticipating the anime like y'all. And I had to say my disappointment started as soon as we got the key visual. It just did not line up with the art style in more than a few ways (mainly I feel like the manga's facials style was botched, as well as the colors of the visual feeling saturated.) Then fast-forward to the anime's release and they make episode 1 start like what, 30 chapters into the anime? If you were anime only, and not told this was an isekai, you would not even know. But that's just episode one I guess. I dunno overall it feels like it just feels really subpar. Does anyone else share my disappointment? Or am I just tripping? As for starting at a weird place that was a smart move from the anime team. If it started from episode 2 then it would have been your generic isekai start but with how the premise was there was no way to know that this was even an isekai anime untill second episode. So the fact that this was an isekai anime came as a nice surprise. Also lastly u can't expect every anime that comes out to have high budget and rock solid production. I assume you only read my intro post to this forum because I do address the moderation of my own expectations in this adaptations versus others. I also address that just because change is inevitable, that does not make it immune to criticism. Also the LN and Manga's art designers, Sergei and 029 respectively, either consciously or unconsciously have kept a pretty strong uniformity between their respective styles to the point that one could probably mistake them for being the same person. Compare their two cover one designs to Nakano Yuki's (the character designer for the anime) take on them and to me, the difference is quite obvious. And this is no bash on Nakano Yuki as a person. They have done good work before. I will concede that this might have been a smart move starting not at chapter one in chapter two. However I would argue that where the decided to start, and how the executed this, was not the best. |
Nov 12, 2020 1:03 AM
#32
Dogemy said: Never said anything about under or over adapting. I never asked for an anime in the first place because I was fine with what we had. And curious to see what we get. The idea that anything is above criticism because "they did not need to make it" or "they are a small budding studio" is just not true. I am even more critical because personally based of this studio's recent history it was off to a shaky start between assassin's pride and prodigies-isekai. According to your logic we are not allowed to talk about the faults of something like... arifuerta because we should be honored the studio graced us with anything at all. It's neat that this was picked up, but nothing more because I never thought it needed an adaptation. According to you, and I quote, "It just did not line up with the art style in more than a few ways". So, your complaint here is not the animation quality or bad looking art, but it not being lined up with something, maybe the source. The first episode was confusing, yeah. But anyone who has watched the first 4 episodes would know the first part of first episode comes later. And this is not the first time a piece of entertainment has done it like this, it was just less obvious in this case from the start. This kind of false impression makes you think it's VR-MMORPG, but later you find out it's an isekai. Cool move deceiving the audience there, I can see they could have done it so that people stick longer with the show (at least 3 episodes) to uncover the mystery. Now this move is debatable, some may totally hate this tactic, some may not mind it. Apart from this, there's nothing wrong I've found about the anime as an anime-only watcher. The art style is consistent, and doesn't look bad at all, unless you have something to compare it with. What I want to say is, just try to pick the negatives without referencing the source; you won't find that many. |
Nov 12, 2020 7:19 PM
#33
Everyone's questioning whether or not this is a dissapointment, yet we're talking about an anime done by the same studio who did Assassin's Pride and Isekai Smartphone 2018 (Hyakuren). OF COURSE the adaptation's gonna be dissapointing, it's an absolute guarantee they're gonna eff this up, DOA! I HATE to be That Guy, but if you expected even half a decent adaptation, much less a satisfying show to watch from a studio that's less-than-reputable at best, I'm sorry to tell you, but y'all pretty much set yourself up for inevitable dissapointment from the start. |
Nov 15, 2020 4:29 AM
#34
salarx said: Dogemy said: Never said anything about under or over adapting. I never asked for an anime in the first place because I was fine with what we had. And curious to see what we get. The idea that anything is above criticism because "they did not need to make it" or "they are a small budding studio" is just not true. I am even more critical because personally based of this studio's recent history it was off to a shaky start between assassin's pride and prodigies-isekai. According to your logic we are not allowed to talk about the faults of something like... arifuerta because we should be honored the studio graced us with anything at all. It's neat that this was picked up, but nothing more because I never thought it needed an adaptation. According to you, and I quote, "It just did not line up with the art style in more than a few ways". So, your complaint here is not the animation quality or bad looking art, but it not being lined up with something, maybe the source. The first episode was confusing, yeah. But anyone who has watched the first 4 episodes would know the first part of first episode comes later. And this is not the first time a piece of entertainment has done it like this, it was just less obvious in this case from the start. This kind of false impression makes you think it's VR-MMORPG, but later you find out it's an isekai. Cool move deceiving the audience there, I can see they could have done it so that people stick longer with the show (at least 3 episodes) to uncover the mystery. Now this move is debatable, some may totally hate this tactic, some may not mind it. Apart from this, there's nothing wrong I've found about the anime as an anime-only watcher. The art style is consistent, and doesn't look bad at all, unless you have something to compare it with. What I want to say is, just try to pick the negatives without referencing the source; you won't find that many. I've said elsewhere in this thread that at the end of the day I don't mind the idea of doing that faux start. However I still think it was not done well. I think they chose a poor point to jump ahead to. If they started with Yuna meeting filo, that I might think of as a waaay better decision. Also I am not sure what distinction you made at the start. The animation is meh, was not going into this craving great fights, was not horribly disappointed. The art style, compared to what this show is adapting, I think it is bad. Is it the worst character design I have ever seen? No. Compared to the sources was it disappointing? Yes. The art style and character designer are one of my favorite parts of KKKB and I think they botched it. I do feel the need to reiterate though, this is the perspective of someone who HAS seen the sources. And although I was not to clear, was made to get the opinions of those who have also seen the sources. OFC as an anime-only watcher you wont think anything of it if it was better or worse. To me when good material is botched, that in itself is a negative. Its one thing to suck, its another to suck when your source is great. See stuff like berserk, arifuerta, and the webtoons adaptations. And I wont say KKKB's anime sucks, because that seems like a bit much, but do you see my point? The reason I would want an adaptation is to see the good realized in a new way. And a lot of the good has been taken in an artistic lens that hurts the series overall. My two favorite things in the series were the art style, and Yuna as a character. Both I think have issues in how they were adapted. DaiChiSei put it well in his post on the issue of Yuna's adaptation they talk about Yuna's character and the pacing better than i can put it.. (The issue is not her VA) DaiChiSei said: Longtime WN and manga reader here, personally the art style didn't bother me too much since I didn't have high expectations in the first place. Yuna's voice only bothered me for the first episode, but it's kinda grown on me. The biggest problems I have with the anime so far is the fact that they seem to be rushing events along to get to some kind of climax which Doesn't really exist in the story Yuna is not a the cheerful, shy "regular highschool girl" kinda character. Yuna(WN) is kinda lazy, sarcastic, highly confident in her abilities and intelligence and she NEVER cries, basically a dude, almost |
Nov 15, 2020 6:33 AM
#35
Dogemy said: I've said elsewhere in this thread that at the end of the day I don't mind the idea of doing that faux start. However I still think it was not done well. I think they chose a poor point to jump ahead to. If they started with Yuna meeting filo, that I might think of as a waaay better decision. Also I am not sure what distinction you made at the start. The animation is meh, was not going into this craving great fights, was not horribly disappointed. The art style, compared to what this show is adapting, I think it is bad. Is it the worst character design I have ever seen? No. Compared to the sources was it disappointing? Yes. The art style and character designer are one of my favorite parts of KKKB and I think they botched it. I do feel the need to reiterate though, this is the perspective of someone who HAS seen the sources. And although I was not to clear, was made to get the opinions of those who have also seen the sources. OFC as an anime-only watcher you wont think anything of it if it was better or worse. To me when good material is botched, that in itself is a negative. Its one thing to suck, its another to suck when your source is great. See stuff like berserk, arifuerta, and the webtoons adaptations. And I wont say KKKB's anime sucks, because that seems like a bit much, but do you see my point? The reason I would want an adaptation is to see the good realized in a new way. And a lot of the good has been taken in an artistic lens that hurts the series overall. My two favorite things in the series were the art style, and Yuna as a character. Both I think have issues in how they were adapted. DaiChiSei put it well in his post on the issue of Yuna's adaptation they talk about Yuna's character and the pacing better than i can put it.. (The issue is not her VA) I just want it to see it going beyond first season. I'd be thrilled if my favorite manga does something different rather than getting disappointed, since it'd be something new. But that's just my opinion. But I'd still say comparing still pictures to animation is unfair, until unless it looks bad on its own (like Berserk). |
Nov 15, 2020 8:11 AM
#36
salarx said: Dogemy said: I've said elsewhere in this thread that at the end of the day I don't mind the idea of doing that faux start. However I still think it was not done well. I think they chose a poor point to jump ahead to. If they started with Yuna meeting filo, that I might think of as a waaay better decision. Also I am not sure what distinction you made at the start. The animation is meh, was not going into this craving great fights, was not horribly disappointed. The art style, compared to what this show is adapting, I think it is bad. Is it the worst character design I have ever seen? No. Compared to the sources was it disappointing? Yes. The art style and character designer are one of my favorite parts of KKKB and I think they botched it. I do feel the need to reiterate though, this is the perspective of someone who HAS seen the sources. And although I was not to clear, was made to get the opinions of those who have also seen the sources. OFC as an anime-only watcher you wont think anything of it if it was better or worse. To me when good material is botched, that in itself is a negative. Its one thing to suck, its another to suck when your source is great. See stuff like berserk, arifuerta, and the webtoons adaptations. And I wont say KKKB's anime sucks, because that seems like a bit much, but do you see my point? The reason I would want an adaptation is to see the good realized in a new way. And a lot of the good has been taken in an artistic lens that hurts the series overall. My two favorite things in the series were the art style, and Yuna as a character. Both I think have issues in how they were adapted. DaiChiSei put it well in his post on the issue of Yuna's adaptation they talk about Yuna's character and the pacing better than i can put it.. (The issue is not her VA) I just want it to see it going beyond first season. I'd be thrilled if my favorite manga does something different rather than getting disappointed, since it'd be something new. But that's just my opinion. But I'd still say comparing still pictures to animation is unfair, until unless it looks bad on its own (like Berserk). There's nothing unfair about it. There is a really solid argument to be made that if your not adding or at least maintaining the baseline, what is the point? Why should we, and the manga, have such low standards that something has to be handshakers unwatchable before we can ask for better? To me, the studio took a manga, and to some extent made it worse by giving it motion. Not as bad as berserk sure, but less than the manga. In an ideal world yes, every manga would be enhanced by its adapted anime and I realize that is unrealistic expectations. But I don't think it is unrealistic to hold studios to a standard that an anime is basically a carbon copy of the anime just with motion and maybe a bit shinier. I realize that train of thought is kinda a mess of both idealism and pessimism, but I don't think its unfair at all to have standards. Especially when whats being adapted is your favorite manga, and one of the things being changed is one of the leading thing that made that manga so great. |
Dec 22, 2020 3:50 PM
#37
I don't see the problem with fast-forwarding a bit to help introduce the concept. Eitherway, I'm liking the adaptation, artstyle, music, voice work, all seems very good |
Jan 9, 2021 11:18 AM
#38
The only thing that makes me disappointed from this adaptation is that Yuna's voice is very far from my expectations. |
Jan 11, 2021 11:08 AM
#39
Not sure what you'd expect from a moe isekai series adaption. It's focused on cute moe moe, not an actually well-written light novel. Then again, why do people make this same post every anime? Most anime do not follow the source material word for word or even volume for volume, so why is this a topic?! |
Jan 18, 2021 1:54 PM
#40
i watch this after bofuri, so my expectation of a cute, moe, free spirit adventure girl or a cute, childish adventure girl imitate a panda bear pretty much hurt because of her facial expression and intonation. |
Jan 22, 2021 4:12 AM
#41
I started it when it aired and put it on hold after episode 7 released until now, but before I finish it this morning I wanted to see if I was the only one who shares my opinion about this adaptation and I'm glad I'm not just some triggered prick, lol. I loved the manga, and bought all the volumes, just recently the light novels that I want to get into pretty soon here, so I was excited about the anime ever since it announced, but then when episode 1 aired I was immediately disappointed. Like some people here have said, regardless of how it started, even if they decided to rearrange the manga/LN order which I already disagree with anime doing that, it wasn't really done very well. I almost thought it was a game not an isekai, the little details like how characters interact with things or one another or just those pointless details or stretched out scenes of nothing important are really what pulled the manga together, especially since nothing really happened that was important most of the time. When characters don't really feel that connected imo, it was kind of off. What might be my favorite arc in the manga that I've read so far (CH001-053) or at least a high point, I felt was kind of chopped down to very a mediocre adaptation that didn't convey it well, and the snake fight wasn't nearly as good as it was in the manga. In general, even past episode 1 I noticed the same thing about those nice little details being skipped, and even if they weren't, the entire series is flying at mach 3 speeds. I mean, I'm only about to start ep 8, but I think episode 12 would probably pass where the manga is currently, and like 3 chapters or more released since then. I'm assuming it goes to the end of this arc. I was even more disappointed when I heard that a second season would come out since it'll probably cover the entire LN section in one fell swoop with this same quick paced, lack luster composition. This is just my opinion, the manga was great and the anime was mediocre. Demon lord retry had a pretty enjoyable manga, and the anime was utterly destroyed compared to the source material, but I could still enjoy a fair amount of the anime as it's own separate thing, but KKKB's adaptation isn't bad it's just not very enjoyable even if I don't think about the manga, it's simply way too quick when it has no need to be, I don't feel anything really between characters, the fights and serious parts of arcs are fairly lack luster, etc. Art, voices, music and all that other stuff I noticed everyone talking about doesn't really bother me though, I think it's all pretty fine. I expected that level of work from EMT Squared. If you can really enjoy the anime, all the power to you though, lol. I got one of my buddies into it when it aired because I always went on about the manga before that, and he only watched the anime and enjoyed it a fair amount, so I'm probably just shrouded by the manga. I feel like I'm probably falling into the same pit the demon lord retry manga readers probably fell into, lol. |
Jan 22, 2021 5:45 AM
#42
Lolicon said: Not sure what you'd expect from a moe isekai series adaption. It's focused on cute moe moe, not an actually well-written light novel. Then again, why do people make this same post every anime? Most anime do not follow the source material word for word or even volume for volume, so why is this a topic?! I'm just speaking from personal experience, but I think it's when they cover a few years worth of manga content and beyond into the light novels in 12 episodes, skipping like 2 dozen+ full or nearly full chapters worth of content, cutting corners in fights making them half baked or flat out removing like a third or more of the battles. Removing major scenes like interactions between characters, character appearances or revealing things disjointedly in excess advance, whole chunks of the story, completely rearranging many things by massive chapter counts, small minor details and interactions between characters and other characters or their surroundings and landscapes that were mostly botched or removed, a story that goes about 8x faster than the manga ever hoped to, really any character relations were lost overall to very basic atmosphere due to one of my earlier points, atmosphere and emotion in many instances were significantly less expressive or just not there, etc. etc. It's not like the graphics are underwhelming and that's it, or the story isn't word for word, if you read the manga there is quite an extensive list of fairly apparent and major changes. Basically, for me, a lot of things that made the manga a 10/10 are missing from the anime or done poorly. Not saying either of us are right or wrong, just my guess as to why some people feel that way about this series and also why they might want to discuss it, in response to your statement. This is the only series that ever creased me like this even though other shows have done similar, lol I swear I'm not one of those guys. |
Jan 30, 2021 5:05 PM
#43
Am 2 episodes in and see a lot of problems. Characters are pretty standard, so nothing too vile here. But the main issue I have is that it seems that there won't be much to any character development. It's just one of those isekai shows with an overpowered OP. They also try to rake in the views by setting up the MC as being this child that is smarter than the adults and has the perfect life. The thing with the handpuppet talking was probably meant to be a funny quirk, but it just didn't work, as a lot of the show... |
Feb 4, 2021 8:25 AM
#44
Feb 8, 2021 7:40 AM
#45
Isn't anyone gonna talk about how her voice doesn't fit her chara disign? |
Apr 22, 2021 3:27 PM
#46
does anyone know how much of the light novel it adapts |
Apr 22, 2021 3:29 PM
#47
Kawaiifuchan said: Isn't anyone gonna talk about how her voice doesn't fit her chara disign? I thought that at first but I really got used to it and I love it now |
May 11, 2021 2:39 PM
#48
I’m *very* mixed about how I feel so on this adaptation. I think the early LN were kind of weak (Dunno if this is a localisation issue or just an inexperienced author issue) and the anime improved on them by being fun and cute, but starting the series midway through a story was baffling and seeing basically the entirety of volume 5 crammed into the first 10 minutes of episode 12 was tragic. There are a lot of individually great moments that the anime totally sidesteps for some reason. So overall… maybe a high 6 out of 10? I liked it more than I disliked it but as an adaptation it was kind of loose. |
Jan 6, 2022 5:15 AM
#49
I won't say I'm happy with the adaptation but i don't hate it either. Except them meddimi up the order, many people think she's just playing the game instead of being Isekai'd by the godess. |
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