| ANN literally says it's a BL anime, because GaloLio "kisses and their ship is very popular among fujos". It seems to me that this is either some very subtle trolling, or modern anime journalism has reached a new level of obsession with shipping and pretending that this is real LGBTQ content. https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2020-01-01/best-lgbtq-characters-of-2019/.154965 ------------- Mod Note: Thread Locked for not adhering to Anime Discussion Rule 5. This includes but is not limited to: -gender/racial equality -sexual orientation, homophobia -sexual assault -pedophilia, lolicon/shotacon, incest, teenage-adult relationships This thread was bumped multiple times, but initially it was missed and should have been locked much sooner. |
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| They never called it a BL anime and "In any case, the sheer volume of Lio/Galo fanart I've seen on Twitter and pixiv speaks to the impression they made on audiences both domestic and international, whether intentionally or not." |
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Esquirtit said: They never called it a BL anime and "In any case, the sheer volume of Lio/Galo fanart I've seen on Twitter and pixiv speaks to the impression they made on audiences both domestic and international, whether intentionally or not." Putting this in a prominent place on the list of "TOP LGBTQ characters"? And using the poster with them as the title picture for the article on the main page? It looks like a very lazy excuse. |
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| Can't blame them, LGBT representation in anime is scarce and Promare seems decently popular. Point is it's more important to focus on what actually is written down. If they see enough validity to interpret the characters' relationship this way idk what's wrong with including it if they clarify it's not clear if it's intentional. The opening post and title of this thread aren't that graceful either... maybe even less so lol |
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Esquirtit said: Can't blame them, LGBT representation in anime is scarce and Promare seems decently popular. Point is it's more important to focus on what actually is written down. If they see enough validity to interpret the characters' relationship this way idk what's wrong with including it if they clarify it's not clear if it's intentional. The opening post and title of this thread aren't that graceful either... maybe even less so lol In that case, what prevents me from putting Oregairu on the list of the best yuri anime, saying that the popularity of Yukinon x Yui on pixiv = powerful representation of lesbians in anime? Putting Promare on this list did not have any other purpose than to attract the attention of people by manipulating a popular show with a popular slash ship. |
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| I don't know, no idea what pixiv is or a "slash ship" and I haven't even seen Promare yet. I just wanted to point out that you frame this article as problematic and forceful when in actuality it's just a list of LGBT characters in 2019 made by a huge fag. Nowhere is it stated that you should agree with it. And again, what's wrong with journalists wanting more exposure? |
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Esquirtit said: I don't know, no idea what pixiv is or a "slash ship" and I haven't even seen Promare yet. I just wanted to point out that you frame this article as problematic and forceful when in actuality it's just a list of LGBT characters in 2019 made by a huge fag. Nowhere is it stated that you should agree with it. And again, what's wrong with journalists wanting more exposure? So, you still do not see anything strange in issuing a slash ship for an actual LGBTQ representation in order to add weight to your fantasies and attract fujoshi to the article? What is the value of representation then, if you can just take any popular non-canon LGBTQ ship and call it LGBTQ representation? Oh, people have been doing this for a long time ... |
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| ROFL ANN, what the f*ck? I'm glad I left...the forums aren't even active anymore but this, they're plain wrong about. "ALL CPR IS YAOI NOW, GUYS." |
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| I'm not a degenerate so yes I do find it strange, and you taking issue with it too. I don't give a shit about ANN anyway, don't think they have any standards or quality to uphold. Value of representation? None other than making the weak-minded happy (and some mad lol). |
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Esquirtit said: I'm not a degenerate so yes I do find it strange, and you taking issue with it too. I don't give a shit about ANN anyway, don't think they have any standards or quality to uphold. Value of representation? None other than making the weak-minded happy (and some mad lol). I just don’t understand why people are more preoccupied with speculation and fantasy than with something more realistic and tangible. Not to mention the fact that this creates a vicious circle: the more the yuri or BL community is preoccupied with shipping instead of actual yuri or BL, the more authors will remain within baiting and subtext. |
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| I don't care about lgbt and shipping stuff, so I don't have a problem with that. Art is all about interpretation anyway. As long as they don't pull shit out of thin air and keep it healthy it's all good. |
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Esquirtit said: I don't care about lgbt and shipping stuff, so I don't have a problem with that. Art is all about interpretation anyway. As long as they don't pull shit out of thin air and keep it healthy it's all good. You are a happy person. Personally, I’m already tired of all this demagogy, double standards and pussies who think that any show is destined to be romance. |
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| well the colors are like LGBT colorful colors too lol but to be honest the only LGBT content in the movie is the CPR kiss and its not as bad as being portrayed as |
deg said: well the colors are like LGBT colorful colors too lol but to be honest the only LGBT content in the movie is the CPR kiss and its not as bad as being portrayed as By the way, one dude in the comments on this list asked whether lifeguards on the beach or emergency doctors should now say “NO HOMO” during artificial respiration? |
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RobertBobert said: deg said: well the colors are like LGBT colorful colors too lol but to be honest the only LGBT content in the movie is the CPR kiss and its not as bad as being portrayed as By the way, one dude in the comments on this list asked whether lifeguards on the beach or emergency doctors should now say “NO HOMO” during artificial respiration? lol ye maybe its just that the CPR kiss scene took like 1 minute so its long and Lio (the dude that looks like a lady) is drawn sexy feminine on that scene but other than that its not that bad |
deg said: RobertBobert said: By the way, one dude in the comments on this list asked whether lifeguards on the beach or emergency doctors should now say “NO HOMO” during artificial respiration? lol ye maybe its just that the CPR kiss scene took like 1 minute so its long and Lio (the dude that looks like a lady) is drawn sexy feminine on that scene but other than that its not that bad It is a pity that last year there were not many sports shonens. Then it would be possible to compose the whole list of ones "this is a very popular ship on Thumblr, so they are gay". |
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| Fuck those SJWs. Most cancerous anime related site outside tumblr. Don't use for anything other than news. |
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bastek66 said: Fuck those SJWs. Most cancerous anime related site outside tumblr. Don't use for anything other than news. Apparently, this is generally a very popular trend. On Twitter, for example, https://mobile.twitter.com/KILLIaKILL/status/1210762543033016320 many refer to Promare as supposedly support of queer males from TRIGGER . They are not even stopped by the fact that LWA's creators directly stated twice that it was not yuri. |
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After people on the Internet started calling CGDCT a feminist anime (well, you know, any all-female show with a positive image of female characters without a man = feminism), little can surprise me. |
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| Haven’t seen the movie yet, but I know it’s purely a ship. It’s cool if you have ships or headcanons, knock yourself out man, but when describing a show please use what’s actually in it and not what fans speculate, you don’t want to give people false information on something. Just how many gay ships are in the Jojo fandom, but the source itself is not a straight up BL. |
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juiccbox said: Haven’t seen the movie yet, but I know it’s purely a ship. It’s cool if you have ships or headcanons, knock yourself out man, but when describing a show please use what’s actually in it and not what fans speculate, you don’t want to give people false information on something. Just how many gay ships are in the Jojo fandom, but the source itself is not a straight up BL. You just described one of the main problems of modern shipping. Although this obviously sounds too absurd, many people perceive their ship as a canon just because they ship it. |
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| I think it's simply interpretation of the scene and I think that's fine. Lot of anime has some gay subtext, soem might even say gay baiting. Though even if they had feelings towards each other it wouldn't make the movie yaoi or bl, there is already animes that have lgbt+ relationship between main characters and they aren't either. Anime is yaoi or BL if it's primary focus is the gay relationship. |
| This is not yaoi, but it's gay as fuck. |
| Literally watched the movie yesterday. This movie isn't yaoi. If anything, it was fujobait. |
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KomaDoll said: I think it's simply interpretation of the scene and I think that's fine. Lot of anime has some gay subtext, soem might even say gay baiting. Though even if they had feelings towards each other it wouldn't make the movie yaoi or bl, there is already animes that have lgbt+ relationship between main characters and they aren't either. Anime is yaoi or BL if it's primary focus is the gay relationship. The problem is not that this show has any subtext or that people ship them. This is an indirect question. The problem is that people are trying to pass it off as actual gay content. I could understand if it was an all-female show and it was about another attempt by the LGBTQ community to read too deeply, but we are talking about a typical shonen-ish anime. |
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RobertBobert said: KomaDoll said: I think it's simply interpretation of the scene and I think that's fine. Lot of anime has some gay subtext, soem might even say gay baiting. Though even if they had feelings towards each other it wouldn't make the movie yaoi or bl, there is already animes that have lgbt+ relationship between main characters and they aren't either. Anime is yaoi or BL if it's primary focus is the gay relationship. The problem is not that this show has any subtext or that people ship them. This is an indirect question. The problem is that people are trying to pass it off as actual gay content. I could understand if it was an all-female show and it was about another attempt by the LGBTQ community to read too deeply, but we are talking about a typical shonen-ish anime. Well I agree with that, I think the writer included another interpretation like that with Waver Velvet. It's not actual gay content either. But it can be read as that there is something more in relationship of these character and the writers might have included some intentional subtext there. I agree that labeling these characters of Best of LGBTQ+ characters is misleading and it would been better to find characters that are undeniably LGBTQ+ instead. |
KomaDoll said: RobertBobert said: The problem is not that this show has any subtext or that people ship them. This is an indirect question. The problem is that people are trying to pass it off as actual gay content. I could understand if it was an all-female show and it was about another attempt by the LGBTQ community to read too deeply, but we are talking about a typical shonen-ish anime. Well I agree with that, I think the writer included another interpretation like that with Waver Velvet. It's not actual gay content either. But it can be read as that there is something more in relationship of these character and the writers might have included some intentional subtext there. I agree that labeling these characters of Best of LGBTQ+ characters is misleading and it would been better to find characters that are undeniably LGBTQ+ instead. Well, this kind of subtext is often intentional, especially in the Japanese context, but people often forget that homoerotics in general has wider use than the LGBTQ theme. |
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MagicalMahou said: I honestly cannot fathom how this is, in any shape or form, an actual gay. Sure, it's subtext to accentuate the situation, or to tease the audience possibly, but come the fuck on, really??? This is what the LGBT community was clamoring about?? Are the standards really that low?? Are we really picking up breadcrumbs and calling it representation?? The so-called "kiss" isn't even followed up in the end. Like, wow a *fist bump*. So romantic. Personally, I believe that in this case, LGBTQ discourse is a banal loophole for the "legalization" of people's speculations and desires. Especially for the modern ANN https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/this-week-in-anime/2020-02-11/.156329, which has recently been practically indistinguishable from the most ridiculous threads on Thumblr. |
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| WTF is wrong with you people, just because he kissed lio for sake of saving him (its doesn't even called kissing its just a artificial breathing) , you call it BL/gay or whatever is related to LGBT, go and watch love Stage or Given and see what is LGBT lol |
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| Fellas, is giving CPR to a fellow dude gay? I mean, you're putting your lips on another guy's lips |
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Crew0X said: WTF is wrong with you people, just because he kissed lio for sake of saving him (its doesn't even called kissing its just a artificial breathing) , you call it BL/gay or whatever is related to LGBT, go and watch love Stage or Given and see what is LGBT lol And after that, people are surprised that Japan prefers to produce a bunch of ambiguous baiting shit instead of actual queer romance. Why, if it is enough to show the characters be friendly, and the shippers will ship them, saying that it is very gay? |
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| I like yaoi but I also have problem with how people (from all genders) think of 'yaoi genre' because it was given too much priority. One anime can belong to many genre at once: action, comedy, sci-fi, robot, but somehow when yaoi/gay genre is involve, people will assume more than 90% of the story will be all about yaoi, leaving less than 10% of the room for other elements. And that is why there are so many 'fujobait' anime, because producers are trying to avoid the label that will limit target audience. They're not afraid to make it gay but they're afraid of being out of business because heterosexual audience don't watch it. But is it possible to have homosexual relationship in the story without gay labeling? Yes, but I still encourage to tag 'yaoi' even if yaoi is not the main theme of the show. If we're living in a world where homosexual is majority then we'll probably need 'straight genre' too. Because that's the point of having genre in the first place, to pick out the element that might interest someone, especially if that someone is in minority. One of the solution of this problem is to separate 'genre' and 'tag', Promare would be in action/sci-fi genre with robot/superpower tag. But should we add 'yaoi' as a tag to Promare? According to cinema language of that scene, the answer is YES. Many people said that it's just the CPR and they're right, but I'd like to explain why the CPR Lio gave to that woman is not equal to the CPR when Galo gave to Lio with Chekhov's gun. According to the dramatic principle, If in the first act you have hung a pistol on the wall, then in the following one it should be fired. Otherwise don't put it there. The CPR when Lio gave to that woman = a pistol hung on the wall/ a sign. The CPR when Galo gave to Lio = shot fired. And since it's also anime, we also have 'anime language' which work in a different way and even more subtle than cinema language. For example, if the anime is featured in Otomedia magazine (which is tailored for otome readers) then we can assume that anime does not close the door on homosexual interpretation, or even encourage the audience to ship the couple on the Otomedia cover. Like this one. |
| @phantomfandom Two male leads from a popular anime on the cover of a magazine for girls. Are you sure that this should be regarded primarily as a BL mark? You want to say that attractive male characters interest girls exclusively as a slash ship? I understand what you want to say, but the argument "this is possible in theory, therefore it is true" is too abstract. Not to mention the fact that my topic does not imply the assertion that any homosexual work cannot contain other topics. Its suggests that in this film, in principle, there is no homosexual relationship. |
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phantomfandom said: RobertBobert said: Not to mention the fact that my topic does not imply the assertion that any homosexual work cannot contain other topics. Well, I'd believe you if you're not trying to assume that ANN writes that Promare is BL anime. If ANN list Galo and Lio as 'funniest comedy duo' I bet you won't create 'Did you know that this is Comedy?' thread. RobertBobert said: Putting this in a prominent place on the list of "TOP LGBTQ characters"? And using the poster with them as the title picture for the article on the main page? It looks like a very lazy excuse. If you think that the statement “BL anime” means that the show is nothing more than BL, then you contradict yourself. |
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phantomfandom said: RobertBobert said: If you think that the statement “BL anime” means that the show is nothing more than BL, then you contradict yourself. What I'm saying is that we both imply a lot of things because we both don't have 100% access to the information. I'm not Promare screenwriter so I don't have 100% confident that Galo and Lio is in relationship, and you're not ANN writer so you don't know for sure if that article imply that Promare is BL anime or not. I know the ANN editors too well to understand what they wanted to say. Hell, these people called the Fruits Basket friendship scenes “very gay” because the girls held hands. And given the traditional audience of the Trigger studio or the shows that inspired this film, I VERY doubt that Promare was meant as a male queer-thematic anime. |
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| At first, I thought Lio was a female, with the first shots I saw of him, then upon close inspection, no chest, and I rolled my eyes, OK... He has such a girly face too, can't fault one for being fooled at first, but he is a cool dude so I don't care, dunno if it would have worked if he was a girl (but if he was, that outfit he uses would have been damm sexy on "her"). |
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phantomfandom said: RobertBobert said: If you think that the statement “BL anime” means that the show is nothing more than BL, then you contradict yourself. What I'm saying is that we both imply a lot of things because we both don't have 100% access to the information. I'm not Promare screenwriter so I don't have 100% confident that Galo and Lio is in relationship, and you're not ANN writer so you don't know for sure if that article imply that Promare is BL anime or not. You don't need any special access. The movie is right there, whatever was planned before but got scrapped doesn't matter anymore. ANN article is there as well. Even without reading it, OP provided enough info for it to be clear that they're mislabeling this anime. My guess is that there isn't enough new "gay" anime to make new articles and gather the views so they're just making shit up. Anyway, I think that it is total bait from ANN side and it should be corrected. Ships can be made for no reason at all. No matter the amount of material that could be used to fuel's someone's dirty fantasies, it shouldn't be forgotten what the title is actually about. I can't just recommend Free as a canon gay boys anime to someone because it's clearly not even if the amount of tumblr fanfics or pixiv arts says that a lot of people wished it was. I personally really dislike when people say that "X character is officially gay" which is something I've seen more than needed even outside direct anime/manga fandoms such as in granblue fantasy circles, it's honestly just disgusting because it never feels like a joke. |
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Crazy_Cofee_Cat said: Fellas, is giving CPR to a fellow dude gay? I mean, you're putting your lips on another guy's lips no because it is an essential part of lifeguard training. It doesn't matter who you are operating CPR on, if it means that they'll survive then you will do it. |
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RobertBobert said: Hell, these people called the Fruits Basket friendship scenes “very gay” because the girls held hands. Are you serious. Boy...ANN really IS f*cking stupid....to think I once respected them somewhat... (Tooru would literally hold hands with Satan if she saw that Satan was upset. Lmao) |
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ArminMin said: If Lio's character had been a female one nobody would even question the romantic undertones in this. But the story of the movie isn't about romance so while it is hinted that there might be something starting out between the two I don't see how it fucking matters. Just this isn't reason enough to label it yaoi/BL.... And if some heterosexual people feel offended by such a soft hint then that's just fucking sad. In the end the movie is neither hetero nor homo because there IS NO ROMANCE STORY and we don't actually see any characters getting together. It is valid to assume that they're hetero.. It is valid to assume they're homo. Both is just fanshipping in this case . >_> And both is okay. Shipping Lio and Galo just has a tad bit more substance to rely on bc of the kiss.. Nobody can deny that. But it doesn't make it officially BL either. Take any known pair of canon straight friends and swap sex with one of them. The question is - how many of them will not look like romantically attracted to each other? This argument is so universal that it proves that there is homosexual attraction between close friends in any show. Chiibi said: RobertBobert said: Hell, these people called the Fruits Basket friendship scenes “very gay” because the girls held hands. Are you serious. Boy...ANN really IS f*cking stupid....to think I once respected them somewhat... (Tooru would literally hold hands with Satan if she saw that Satan was upset. Lmao) It was the column "this week in anime". Almost every release of it is an attempt to find a justification for how gay each new show is. |
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| Hmm... Even if you made Lio a woman, I still see Promare as "two people trying to save the world" over "epic romance" movie...maybe it's just me...but I didn't feel any "sparks" between them (no pun intended). They definitely don't act like they're in love...if we go by how a typical anime couple acts. They act more like how partners in police departments act (and yes, I know all about 'gay cops' trope but FAKE, this is not). The only "gay" thing in Fruits Basket are the very inappropriate jokes Shigure and Ayame make back and forth about each other...and it's meant as comedy more than anything else and they do it to troll whoever might be in earshot. xD |
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ArminMin said: If Lio's character had been a female one nobody would even question the romantic undertones in this. But the story of the movie isn't about romance so while it is hinted that there might be something starting out between the two I don't see how it fucking matters. Just this isn't reason enough to label it yaoi/BL.... And if some heterosexual people feel offended by such a soft hint then that's just fucking sad. In the end the movie is neither hetero nor homo because there IS NO ROMANCE STORY and we don't actually see any characters getting together. It is valid to assume that they're hetero.. It is valid to assume they're homo. Both is just fanshipping in this case . >_> And both is okay. Shipping Lio and Galo just has a tad bit more substance to rely on bc of the kiss.. Nobody can deny that. But it doesn't make it officially BL either. the only valid response |
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lala665 said: RE: cutie honey had the same scene and at the end they look like they're just friends working together YET it's labeled as shoujo ai on this website ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Hah, this is a classic. If you are a woman, then any ambiguity gets +10 to the probability of reality in the eyes of the audience. |
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