Koi wo Shiranai Bokutachi wa Chapter 29 Discussion

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@shanimebib: Again, thank you very much for the details!!

I want you to ask, because it has been long since Lemonade Scan hadn't released any chapter, if I (or someone else) have some time to do some cleaning on the raws chapters, could I use your translations? (Of course you will be credited if you agree).
If you don't agree I would understand. I was just asking because I think many of us want to read this manga. And like this more people would be able to read it directly without waiting so long. (Chapter 17 posted in English in June and next month chapter 30 will be out in Japan so we are very late).

@Miss_Elyon: Without the translation and just with the pictures I found this chapter very moving. And now more since I was able to understand what the characters were saying thanks to @shanimebib.
I'm really glad that Eiji finally confessed. I loved how Izumi responded to it, how Nao came pushing Eiji into the water (it made me laugh). The two of them are really great. I haven't seen many shoujo mangas that present such a great friendship.
Now the trio is back and awww I want to protect their smiles!!

Just as Fujimura went to see Eiji after she broke up with Taka, Eiji went to see her, and I ship them so much. But it seems that Fujimura is into trouble since that the new guy seems interested in her and sees Eiji as a "rival".
He's the guy who was with Fujimura on the stairs a few chapters ago when Eiji and Ikezawa were discussing. They've seen them and Fujimura took the guy away with her (maybe to let Ikezawa with Eiji or maybe because it was embarrasing).
But I do think that this guy wasn't introduced for nothing and I do hope the Eiji x Fujimura will sail soon =)

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@Kirie-san: I dunno what you mean by my "translations" because I just went and translated this chapter (and a bit of chapter 25 before) on a whim because I found this chapter very engaging. You may use it but don't credit me. Not on any of the raw pages at least. But if you are using my translation, just put a note to encourage readers to buy the manga to appreciate the hard work of the real person i.e. the mangaka.

Some scanlators suggest to buy the official release when they are available in the fans' country or language they can understand and while I used to support this statement now I think it's better to leave it to the fans to decide because anyone can buy manga online now through bookwalker, booklive etc. and you appreciate the work by buying the original japanese versions which are cheaper (half or sometimes a third the price of english version) but the royalty is more for the mangaka. And some manga may not even officially come out in the fans' languages, so that statement may put fans who would otherwise buy the manga on hold for something that may not even help the mangaka in the end).

I don't think I will be translating any manga as a pastime. I have long since become inactive. I was once a regular JP>EN translator, and worked on as much as 15 manga (and 5 simultaneously), mostly shoujo and josei (because they are super under appreciated), under a different name of course to test my JP>EN, and while my translation got more accurate over the years (which I tend to compare with official releases when I get the chance), I am not making this a hobby all over again. Some of my translations are still available online but I want to keep my MAL identity separate from them. Some of them are used for other languages (EN>spanish, EN>portuguese, and even EN>arabic) but I would never know the accuracy of those releases lol. Recently I am seeing a lot of JP>KR>EN or JP>CHN>ENG popping up. I can guarantee you that a lot get changed once I compare the translation from the original raw (when available).

Anyways, that doesn't mean I may not post my translations if I ever do end up translating. So, fingers crossed. :)

I am no one to speak for scanlators but I think the group in question took more projects than they could handle. I like their releases. Most of their translators are actually very good (which I can compare with the raws) and their releases are very nice with a lot of hard work from the editors and typesetters.

I know the pain of being so behind. It was the main reason why I took the challenge of learning Japanese. Sometimes, I want to let everyone know about all the wonderful shoujo/josei manga out there but I cannot. The other day I was reading Futsuu no Koiko-chan and I wanted to scream and tell everyone to read this beautiful manga but it's only in the early chapters (scanlations-wise).

Coming back to the chapter discussion:

I think my favourite part of the chapter as I shamelessly pointed out as T/N: started with Eiji's interactions with Koharu (see? I am in first name basis with her now <3). The other guy is gonna just bring trouble and will definitely be a good docking location to see the ship finally sail haha! I wasn't into Koharu x Eiji but she grew on me. And while I really, really like Ikezawa, I think she will end up with Taichi. And I am okay with that because Taichi is honestly an awesome guy. :)

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@shanimebib: Thank you for your answer. By "your translations" I mean the ones you posted here on MAL. I also wanted to ask other people if some of them could translate the other chapters, and eventually help the current scanlation team to provide chapters faster.

I do agree with you, I would love to buy some mangas if they were actually licensed in France but some of them are not and I can't read Japanese T_T (my favorite shoujo mangas are not available in France, nor in English). Because if they were licenced in English I would gladly buy them, even if it's more expensive (for example I'v bought the English version of Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki-kun). Of course, I would have bought the Japanese version to support the authors if I could read it. But I'm just learning and only know a few words.

Ok, I understand. =) Yeah, I've seen that more and more, but as you say, it may not be accurate sometimes.

Maybe I should just work more on learning Japanese rather to wait for some mangas to get licensed in France. T_T

So concerning the translation, I'll wait to see if other people are interested, and if I use your translation I won't credit you as you ask (and I will put the note to encourage readers to buy the manga).

Concerning the chapter:
My favorite part was the trio laughing on the beach but I also really like the end with Eiji and Koharu (indeed, we should use her first name now ^^). I don't know how much trouble he will bring since Koharu doesn't seem interested in him and said that she won't seek for love again. But I hope Eiji we'll be there for her.
Ikezawa did evolve through this while I wasn't fond of her since the beginning and during the festival. But yeah, Taichi deserves the best, he really is a nice guy. ^^

Nov 16, 2019 4:56 PM

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@shanimebib

thank you

this chapter had a lot of things going, glad i saw it translated

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Kirie-san said:
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Concerning the chapter:
My favorite part was the trio laughing on the beach but I also really like the end with Eiji and Koharu (indeed, we should use her first name now ^^). I don't know how much trouble he will bring since Koharu doesn't seem interested in him and said that she won't seek for love again. But I hope Eiji we'll be there for her.
Ikezawa did evolve through this while I wasn't fond of her since the beginning and during the festival. But yeah, Taichi deserves the best, he really is a nice guy. ^^

I'm just happy their relationships returned to normal

Eiji and Koharu (calling her name too ^^) was definitely the best part for me

I'm all in with ship going canon, how can i not be with the way they act around each other and Koharu making jokes about Eiji rejection was gold ^()^

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Elyon_Holic said:

Kirie-san said:
@shanimebib

Concerning the chapter:
My favorite part was the trio laughing on the beach but I also really like the end with Eiji and Koharu (indeed, we should use her first name now ^^). I don't know how much trouble he will bring since Koharu doesn't seem interested in him and said that she won't seek for love again. But I hope Eiji we'll be there for her.
Ikezawa did evolve through this while I wasn't fond of her since the beginning and during the festival. But yeah, Taichi deserves the best, he really is a nice guy. ^^

I'm just happy their relationships returned to normal

Eiji and Koharu (calling her name too ^^) was definitely the best part for me

I'm all in with ship going canon, how can i not be with the way they act around each other and Koharu making jokes about Eiji rejection was gold ^()^

Rather shameless on my part as how I jumped to Koharu x Eiji ship in the recent chapters.

I am really loving their dynamic so far. This is one of the better ones right now. If you like complex relationship dynamics they you might wanna read Territory M no Junin as well. It's quite far behind the scanlations but it's pretty good too!

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@Elyon_Holic: Seems we are in the same boat. Let the Eiji x Koharu sail! xD
Although the best couple is currently Nao and Izumi, I love Eiji and Koharu's interactions, the way they talk to each other... =)

@shanimebib: Lol!
I'm usually not fond of complex dynamics (I think this is the first time, with Koi wo Shiranai Bokutachi wa, that I'm enjoying such a dynamic). And I'm not fond of Minami Touko art style. But thank you. Maybe I'll try to read it one day =)

Nov 18, 2019 8:54 AM

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@Kirie-san: Looks like the scanlators are back! :)

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Nov 18, 2019 10:17 AM

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shanimebib said:
@Kirie-san: Looks like the scanlators are back! :)

Yeah!! I've seen that chapter 18 was out!
They also said that chapter 19 is coming soon so I hope we'll also get most of them before the Japanese release of chapter 30! =D

Nov 18, 2019 2:40 PM

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Kirie-san said:

shanimebib said:
@Kirie-san: Looks like the scanlators are back! :)

Yeah!! I've seen that chapter 18 was out!
They also said that chapter 19 is coming soon so I hope we'll also get most of them before the Japanese release of chapter 30! =D

they have a lot of chapters to cover i hope we see them soon ^^

Nov 18, 2019 2:49 PM

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shanimebib said:

Rather shameless on my part as how I jumped to Koharu x Eiji ship in the recent chapters.!

you chose what you felt was right, no shame in that ^^

shanimebib said:

I am really loving their dynamic so far. This is one of the better ones right now. If you like complex relationship dynamics they you might wanna read Territory M no Junin as well. It's quite far behind the scanlations but it's pretty good too!

thank you @shanimebib

i do like complex relationship but with the right story and characters to make me care about it

I'll try to read the manga you recommended, maybe it will surprise me.

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@Elyon_Holic: Me too! They said that Koi wo Shiranai Bokutachi wa was a bit complicated to clean so that's why it may be taking some time but I wish they spend less time on the other mangas they're translating so we could have Koi Boku faster lol

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Kirie-san said:
@Elyon_Holic: Seems we are in the same boat. Let the Eiji x Koharu sail! xD
Although the best couple is currently Nao and Izumi, I love Eiji and Koharu's interactions, the way they talk to each other... =)

glad to know I'm not only one in this ship ^()^

i do like Nao x Izumi they proved to me that their bond is deep and strong

but the best scenes in this manga has always been between Eiji x Koharu
even the fake dating arc was fun to watch.

now we have stalker arc let us see where that will take us.

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Elyon_Holic said:

shanimebib said:

Rather shameless on my part as how I jumped to Koharu x Eiji ship in the recent chapters.!

you chose what you felt was right, no shame in that ^^

shanimebib said:

I am really loving their dynamic so far. This is one of the better ones right now. If you like complex relationship dynamics they you might wanna read Territory M no Junin as well. It's quite far behind the scanlations but it's pretty good too!

thank you @shanimebib

i do like complex relationship but with the right story and characters to make me care about it

I'll try to read the manga you recommended, maybe it will surprise me.

Oh, I hope it will surprise you!

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Kirie-san said:

Yeah!! I've seen that chapter 18 was out!
They also said that chapter 19 is coming soon so I hope we'll also get most of them before the Japanese release of chapter 30! =D

they have a lot of chapters to cover i hope we see them soon ^^

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@Elyon_Holic: Me too! They said that Koi wo Shiranai Bokutachi wa was a bit complicated to clean so that's why it may be taking some time but I wish they spend less time on the other mangas they're translating so we could have Koi Boku faster lol

Actually, it will be also nice if they could get some Living no Hadaka-san and Harumatsu Towa<3 chapters out as well. :)

@Kirie-san, since you brought up drawing, I think you'll like the above two. Both contain Monthly Dessert's Poster Boys. :P

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@Elyon_Holic: Nao x Izumi is probably one of the most refreshing couple I've ever seen but Eiji x Fujimura is the best ship. I love it when we see them together even if they are fighting lol (the fake date was funny)

@shanimebib: Thank you but I've already tried these two titles (because the art is pretty lol) but I couldn't get to like Harumatsu because of the harem/love triangle (I hate that and I didn't like the heroine), and for Matsunaga I can't support the main couple. I mean why would an adult would fall in love with a teenagers girl, because it's a shoujo manga? A friend of mine is still reading it and told me that even if there is some development I wouldn't like it (she knows my tastes so I do trust her lol).
I'm a bit complicated when it comes to shoujo mangas. ^^'

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Kirie-san said:
@Elyon_Holic: Nao x Izumi is probably one of the most refreshing couple I've ever seen but Eiji x Fujimura is the best ship. I love it when we see them together even if they are fighting lol (the fake date was funny)

i agree, whatever Nao x Izumi has i like.

Eiji x Koharu

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Eiji (thinking): what is next in store for me is beyond me

i love when Eiji though that while Koharu is right next to him, it can't be a coincidence @@

ikezawa still bothers me, from what i understood from the girls talks in chapter 28 she gave up, but i don't believe her, when she hears about what happened between Eiji and Izumi she might try again ><"

Kirie-san said:
@shanimebib: Thank you but I've already tried these two titles (because the art is pretty lol) but I couldn't get to like Harumatsu because of the harem/love triangle (I hate that and I didn't like the heroine), '

it seem our taste match, i barely watch or read harem it's all about a useless MC be it a boy or a girl with a bland character, the only harem manga/anime i love was https://myanimelist.net/anime/8525/Kami_nomi_zo_Shiru_Sekai
it has a great story with an interesting MC (give it a try you might enjoyed it).

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and for Matsunaga I can't support the main couple. I mean why would an adult would fall in love with a teenagers girl, because it's a shoujo manga? A friend of mine is still reading it and told me that even if there is some development I wouldn't like it (she knows my tastes so I do trust her lol).
I'm a bit complicated when it comes to shoujo mangas. ^^'

maybe that's why i don't read many shoujo manga unless it has comedy, you see i can't stand adult and teenage romance and even worse a love Relationship between a teacher and student, what they call romantic i call it sick =="

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@Elyon_Holic:
One of the best part with Eiji and Koharu was when Eiji told her that she would still have him and he even put his hands on her shoulders when she was crying. Good boy lol
I hope Koharu will realize that it was Eiji's shadow she saw when she fainted.

It seems Ikezawa gave up. You think it is not the case?

You too? =D I haven't seen/read many harem animes/mangas. Although one of my favorite harem anime is Clannad. But yeah usually I don't like it because the MC is bland, useless... be it a boy or a girl. You don't understand why the other characters got an interest for him/her. And it usually contains fan service or chichés. And on Harumatsu Bokura the heroine is the typical shy and bland character who has several boys around her we don't know why. I know it isn't supposed to be realistic but in real life girls like her are never surrounded by many boys. Being friends with someone (girl or boy) doesn't work like that.

I don't know this anime (the one you mentionned but I'm not fond of the art style (it's not bad but the girls' design seems too colorful and moe-ish).

For the same reasons I don't read many shoujo mangas. There are good titles but most of shoujos have clichés and the same pattern (shy heroine, popular handsome hero, rival who falls in love the heroine thus love triangle...) and the older guy - teenage heroine thing is something I hate because it's not realistic at all. The teacher-student relationship is also something I hate so I can't read these kind of mangas.

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@Kirie-san, HMB is not a harem by the way. It is a love triangle.

There are some excellent shoujo manga out there that avoid almost everything within the parentheses you have put.

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Kirie-san said:
@Elyon_Holic:
One of the best part with Eiji and Koharu was when Eiji told her that she would still have him and he even put his hands on her shoulders when she was crying. Good boy lol
I hope Koharu will realize that it was Eiji's shadow she saw when she fainted.

i agree the rooftop scene was amazing.
the shadow can't be Nao she will have recolonized him immediately, so yeah it's Eiji's shadow.

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It seems Ikezawa gave up. You think it is not the case?

i wish I'm wrong about this, but i don't think a girl as Ikezawa had many love interest, so i believe Eiji was her first love, and when she know about what happened she might try again =="

Kirie-san said:
I don't know this anime (the one you mentionned but I'm not fond of the art style (it's not bad but the girls' design seems too colorful and moe-ish).

give it a try, it might surprise you.

For the same reasons I don't read many shoujo mangas. There are good titles but most of shoujos have clichés and the same pattern (shy heroine, popular handsome hero, rival who falls in love the heroine thus love triangle...) and the older guy - teenage heroine thing is something I hate because it's not realistic at all. The teacher-student relationship is also something I hate so I can't read these kind of mangas.

i understand and i read a shoujo mangas who makes fun of those clichés setting like Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki-kun manga/anime ^()^
also Boku to Kimi no Taisetsu na Hanashi (Our Precious Story) is a fun to read

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shanimebib said:

-Boku to Kimi no Taisetsu na Hanashi (Glasses MC and his random conversation with the most beautiful girl in school)

it's a fun shoujo manga, i just recommend it to @Kirie-san

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Koharu focus next? Cannot wait!

https://twitter.com/betsuma_info/status/1203681510462615552?s=19

nb. The official magazine twitter also switched from Fujimura to Koharu! <3

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@shanimebib: Haru Matsu Bokura is not a "harem" but the heroine is at the center of a love triangle right? And she has several "handsome" boys around her, even if it is because of her workplace. It just feels like "Oh we need many handsome boys around a shy girl because it's a shoujo manga". I can't stand it.

About the titles you mentionned I went to read the synopsis and looked at the art style for the titles I didn't know. Most of them don't really interest me much except for Nekota no Koto ga Kininatte Shikatanai.

I've started to read Gakuen Alice, Kodomo no Omocha a long time ago but I didn't finished it because I didn't like it a lot (and I found Alice heroine so annoying). I watched Tonari no Kaibutsu-kun anime but it didn't make want to know more about the story and characters. And I've read Fullmoon but I didn't like the heroine ^^'

I'm really difficult when it comes to romance and shoujo mangas since I was disappointed by so many of them. But thanks for your suggestions. Maybe one day I'll try to read some of these titles. =)

@Elyon_Holic: Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki-kun is not a shoujo but it makes fun of it so brilliantly!! I love this manga so much and the relationship between the characters! Also, it is really funny!

Both of you: (about Koi wo Shiranai Bokutachi wa)

- Maybe Ikezawa will try again but I'd rather prefer that she gives up about Eiji.

- I've seen Koharu picture on Twitter and I love it! She's so pretty!! I wish I could read the chapter right now or at least a translation T_T

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shanimebib said:
Koharu focus next? Cannot wait!

https://twitter.com/betsuma_info/status/1203681510462615552?s=19

nb. The official magazine twitter also switched from Fujimura to Koharu! <3

she looks great ^^

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