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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- amazing as always really loved the whole debate about the killer akane ❤️️  |
| nice setup for typical closed room murder. the diner room now looks like class trial danganronpa. one point I want say, kunagisa looks really happy there's murder happens. and that chef looks suspicious. akane seems like red herring that author set, but I don't know if this writes by nishioshin, maybe he overturn something. for kubikiri/headless, why culprit chopped the painter head, there's only one reason. but like kunagisa said, there's no one in that island could switch over.  anyway, don't know this mistake from animator or what, but it is really easy to skipping that paint with one big jump in the right side, right? |
megmicaJan 25, 2017 1:48 PM
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megmica said: nice setup for typical closed room murder. the diner room now looks like class trial danganronpa. one point I want say, kunagisa looks really happy there's murder happens. and that chef looks suspicious. akane seems like red herring that author set, but I don't know if this writes by nishioshin, maybe he overturn something. for kubikiri/headless, why culprit chopped the painter head, there's only one reason. but like kunagisa said, there's no one in that island could switch over. anyway, don't know this mistake from animator or what, but it is really easy to skipping that paint with one big jump in the right side, right? Of cos she is really happy because she have been bored for a long time and finally there's something to get involved before her time at the island runs out. Despite the 2 months wait, I'll say it's still worth it. It's another month's wait again though.....ugh  Best. |
JiharoJan 26, 2017 3:23 AM
| 「友達なんていない。人はすぐに裏切るし、学校っていうのは誰かを標的にしないとやってられない馬鹿共の集 まり。ままごとみたいな役決めて、仲のいいふりして都合が悪くなったら知らんぷり。そんな奴らと仲良くした いとか全然思わない。」 |
| The logic of these alleged geniuses leaves a lot to be desired, in general the show isn't as smart as it thinks it is which makes SHAFT's (excellent) directing seem pretentious. Also you're not a minor in the eyes of the law if you're 19 years old, are you? Still a very interesting show and a good one so far. |
BoiiiiiiiiiiJan 27, 2017 7:34 AM
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| The first 2 episodes were introduction so this one should be the point where you can "properly" judge this OVA. Again it feels that it's going really slow, but i guess that's fine and i'm more worried that the story for now is very simple, mb i was expecteing something (super) crazy to happen. Well mb/hopefully something interesting may've yet to come. The best so far for me is Kunagisa's character. |
allenjkeJan 27, 2017 3:39 AM
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| Ah, Kunagisa has been pretty entertaining to watch this episode. The way that she reacts to the events going on and interacting with the other characters. The mystery is still pretty intriguing with all the elements thrown into the show so far. Pretty interested into seeing how far this develops. |
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| This debate seems really wrong without Inoji's narration, but oh well. I'm liking it, but I think that Shaft is really "Shaftizing" too much, that jump Kunagisa did to get out of the seat, wtf? She can't even walk normally, how the fuck she could be able to do that? O_o But, putting the nitpicking (Not so much as Kunagisa's weak body is always mentioned in the novels) I am really loving it. OST is nice, but they are using the same track for a time, I think? Not that I care, the ones that are being used are so good. The opening and ending are excellent as always, too. That camera shifting sides when people were talking, damn, I loved it. 5/5. Shaft just needs to pay attention to little details that are important. |
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| No autopsy, huh? I guess we'll just assume she died from decapitation? |
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| An interesting 'locked room' case has developed. To me Akane isn't much of a red herring at all, going off of how she's been presented I just don't see her doing that, though I may be getting completely tricked here xD Is it possible that the killer simply walked on the paint, decapitated Kanami, took off his/her shoes and then threw more paint over the footprints? I still can't get over how cool the OP is, all the things relating to decapitation is <3 |
 "If I don't have to do it, I won't. If I have to do it, I'll make it quick."- Oreki Houtarou |
gust11 said: An interesting 'locked room' case has developed. To me Akane isn't much of a red herring at all, going off of how she's been presented I just don't see her doing that, though I may be getting completely tricked here xD Is it possible that the killer simply walked on the paint, decapitated Kanami, took off his/her shoes and then threw more paint over the footprints? I still can't get over how cool the OP is, all the things relating to decapitation is <3 She is completely a red herring though, given how she does not have an alibi at all. The scene with Yayoi walking past Tomo and Ii-chan when they were going to Kanami's room makes her suspicious too. As much as they are suspicious, I think that is what Nisio Isin wants us to think it is. While I don't think we have enough information yet as no one else other than Tomo and Ii-chan have an albi AFTER the earthquake. It'll be interesting to see what information they provide for the next episode but for now, Akane is definitely the red herring here. |
| 「友達なんていない。人はすぐに裏切るし、学校っていうのは誰かを標的にしないとやってられない馬鹿共の集 まり。ままごとみたいな役決めて、仲のいいふりして都合が悪くなったら知らんぷり。そんな奴らと仲良くした いとか全然思わない。」 |
gust11 said: Is it possible that the killer simply walked on the paint, decapitated Kanami, took off his/her shoes and then threw more paint over the footprints? you can. but, it will leaves trail of shoes/foot that would be problem and pretty obvious, tho. -- |
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Jiharo said: Yeah it's likely just my bad with comprehending the situation. I understood that Akane has no alibi but I felt that in terms of suspicions, Yayoi was much more conspicuous, heck I'd probably even suspect Iria before Akane due to offhand comments and her attitude. This is completely my own take though, I 100% understand your reasoning, can't wait to see how this develops regardlessShe is completely a red herring though, given how she does not have an alibi at all. The scene with Yayoi walking past Tomo and Ii-chan when they were going to Kanami's room makes her suspicious too. As much as they are suspicious, I think that is what Nisio Isin wants us to think it is. While I don't think we have enough information yet as no one else other than Tomo and Ii-chan have an albi AFTER the earthquake. It'll be interesting to see what information they provide for the next episode but for now, Akane is definitely the red herring here. I do believe though, that Ii-chan's proposal to lock her up affected my perception of Akane, as his goal wasn't to prove that she was the killer, but rather it was just to stop the finger pointing. megmica said: My bad, didn't properly elaborate. I imagined that maybe the killer came in with shoes on, killed Kanami and then walked back to the edge of the paint, stepped out of their shoes onto clean footing, picked up the shoes (and maybe discard them in the same place where they've ostensibly put the decapitated head) and then throw paint over the initial footprintsgust11 said: Is it possible that the killer simply walked on the paint, decapitated Kanami, took off his/her shoes and then threw more paint over the footprints? you can. but, it will leaves trail of shoes/foot that would be problem and pretty obvious, tho. -- |
gust11Jan 28, 2017 4:34 AM
| "If I don't have to do it, I won't. If I have to do it, I'll make it quick." - Oreki Houtarou |
| While I read the book already I think its fair that I should lay some things down. No spoilers but here were theories I had when reading it. Everyone in that room has a suspicious aura to them. Let us go down the list Tomo doesn't display anything out of the ordinary apart from the curiosity she has for coming on this island. If it's true that an "incident" happened before that she is curious about it might be that she wanted to experience this mystery first hand this time. Iichan seems suspicious because as Maki stated earlier he has a negative outlook on the girls here. There isn't much to go on this like with Tomo but it's def a thing to note. It wouldn't be a far right notion considering Nisio's writing. Iria could be doing this like a game. Waiting for Aikawa to come so she can meet her. She seems to be making the case harder for people by dismissing selective evidence in order to keep the investigation at a stalemate. Other than Rei's facial expression throughout the episodes she seems pretty normal. But I wouldn't put it past her if she was working with Iria. She has the head maid, knows this mansion inside and out. With the triplets, Akari, Hikari and Teruko don't seem to display many red herrings. The only odd thing is in the OP where it zooms into Teruko and she looks evil. Also since the identical twins are identical they can switch places and cause problems. The only reason they can be suspicious is that they have the perfect alibi. They are too "clean." Akane is def a red herring put there. But it could also at the same time be a trick for the readers to try to remove any doubt from her just in order to have her being the criminal. It's obvious that she is portrayed as the main suspect. Shinya could have easily pretended to have called her and hear her voice. Again facial expression is everything. He looks saddened at times and other times he looks like he knows something. Maki knows everyone's moves except for Tomo. Maybe she is bullying Iichan because she either knows he did it or since she can't read Tomo she is taking his frustration out on him. This could, in theory, lead us to be suspicious about Tomo. Yayoi is another case of looking at the body language. 2 things could be going on in the dinner table. Either she was shocked and couldn't answer properly or Iria was directing her to lie. Since she has been there the longest she could have easily been closer to Kanami. So without spoiling anything from the later chapters, this is a pretty solid rundown on why almost each one of them could be the culprit. I just want to throw this out there but it could also be someone who previously came here but "left" due to Maki's bullying. For all, we know there is more than just 12 people on that island. There is a lot of hints here and there. To talk about SHAFT, everyone needs to understand that they are actually doing the novel justice. They aren't going through long dragged out exposition. They are actually taking some of the exposition and just turning them character animation by showing not telling. Please do not try to call this a simple story. It is worthy of every distinctive shaft attributes it displays. |
moodieJan 28, 2017 7:27 AM
| Why the hell would you bury a murder victim before the murderer was found? I know that police can't just appear there in time, but it's destroying evidence which makes the guy who buried her the biggest suspect. |
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ZetaZaku said: Why the hell would you bury a murder victim before the murderer was found? I know that police can't just appear there in time, but it's destroying evidence which makes the guy who buried her the biggest suspect. The police will NEVER appear because Akagami Iria hates the police. Burying the body isn't really removing anything much because they already found out what they want with the body and the crime scene remains as intact as possible. Besides, Iria has so much trust on Aikawa Jun that if she needs any info about the body, they can just go back there and dig it up. Not to mention since she'll only be arriving close to a week later(don't remember the days but lesser than a week since Tomo is due to leave the island 4 days later), the body would have started rotting. |
| 「友達なんていない。人はすぐに裏切るし、学校っていうのは誰かを標的にしないとやってられない馬鹿共の集 まり。ままごとみたいな役決めて、仲のいいふりして都合が悪くなったら知らんぷり。そんな奴らと仲良くした いとか全然思わない。」 |
| solving the murder mystery without any help of police autopsy, no proof to deny the main suspect and very small clue about what actually happened at the scene. This is something really interesting to look at. I still cant find the reason why Kanami was decapitated at the very beginning of the neck instead of somewhere in the middle. |
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The culprit took advantage of the earthquake. Ibuki was not on her wheelchair by that time, its possible she fell down and painted while on the floor. Possibly mixing the colors that fell on the floor by the legitimate earthquake. The events were covered up by the vandalism afterwards which makes the case 'strange'.  Akagami irresponsibly wants to see how good the 'hero' is, and prevents the group from calling in the cops. Saying they're useless. Who is in control of the scenario now? And she also changed the flow of the meeting. I've seen execution videos of people getting beheaded from the base of the neck with a sword, it requires proper technique, but still doing it without a support still should be mess. Ibuki was bent fowards with her butt sticking up, lets say that she was sitting in a kneeling position and executed. And Ibuki is not much meat, its possible to behead her with heavy cutlery and samurai like cutting.  Not very detailed, but explained to the audience that its cut off from the base, the bottom of the neck. Maybe its part of the meal they had last time. I'm also not sure the exact reason for it but maybe Akagami like getting it down on people's throats? Akagami "Last night I was in my room with Rei and Sashirono talking, last night's dinner was particularly magnificent and I simply wanted to know the recipe."  it can go like this yayoi chopped and made Ibuki's head food. rei vandalised the scene akagami had good food, and wants to know about how the hero genius |
waldexJan 30, 2017 9:33 AM
waldex said: Akagami "Last night I was in my room with Rei and Sashirono talking, last night's dinner was particularly magnificent and I simply wanted to know the recipe." it can go like this yayoi chopped and made Ibuki's head food. rei vandalised the scene akagami had good food, and wants to know about how the hero genius Ooooooh ! I agree ! It could be the truth, nice deduction ;) |
waldex said: it can go like this yayoi chopped and made Ibuki's head food. rei vandalised the scene akagami had good food, and wants to know about how the hero genius But they are talking about the dinner and Ibuki was present |
But they are talking about the dinner and Ibuki was present Not willing to make new corrections, im not taking the cannibal idea seriously here, it outpaces me on the final result how not fun to watch they made the episode so far |
waldexJan 31, 2017 11:00 AM
waldex said: But they are talking about the dinner and Ibuki was present Not willing to make new corrections, im not taking the cannibal idea seriously here, it outpaces me on the final result how not fun to watch they made the episode so far wait, you said 'eat' and 'meal', that obviously cannibalism right? the culprit is zombie because he/she chopped her head, and preserve her brain to eat. an intellectual zombie. and they used her memory from the brain. I saw it on izombie. |
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| Yeah that was definitely the best episode so far. First 2 were mostly introductory I thought but this was more like Danganronpa |
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| The long jump record is 7.5 meters for women. Certainly 3+ meters isn't too much to jump over. Nice set up, interesting how everyone is cold and detached about dealing with the body |
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| Really liked the mystery surrounding the episode and as always SHAFT is nailing the production on this. All in all it was a decent adaptation compared to what I read, which isn't too far from where this episode ends. Gonna continue reading before the next ep is out. |
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| Another great OVA. I have to give the series props. It made Kunagisa and Iichan running through all the possibilities of the murderers identity way more exciting. It just had the benefit of flashing everyone's face on the screen as soon as they're mentioned. And that little touch made tracing the casts alibis and motives that much more engaging to watch. I also thought the investigation of the murder scene itself was really well handled. If I have a complaint it's that the burial scene wasn't quite what I imagined. It's kind of rushed through in the book. But I imagined a grim scene with stormy skys, and Shinya and Iichan laboring to get the corpse up a hill, while Kunagisa brings the shovel. What we got was pretty idyllic by comparison to that image. |
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| Finally, it starts getting better with murder mystery kicking in. Still don't believe Shinya even though someone could probably record her voice to fake the answer. Guess Iria is the second most possible culprit. Really wonder why Tomo had blue fingers ond her feet.. this seems kinda important (she didn't do it, right). I also don't rule out the switching they put a lot emphasis on it which could be the clue too. Can't also think why would someone behead her with her shoulders, maybe to stop identification. Also, they didn't do any autopsy afterall, again Shinya was the one who proposed to bury her, kinda fishy. Of course, there may be a possibility she is still alive and was able to walk, imitating someone else. Or her original look was just a disguise. There is also chance that she used someone elses body to stage the crime. There is also the weirdness of the portrait we have to take into account. There is real possibility this was done by two people. And the we have some weird earthquake (could it be artificial) and the portrait mystery (well, that one is clear as there is a mistake - he wears watches with dispay on inner side of wrist and this is wrong on the picture but I can really grasp my head about why that should be imporant other that the culprit painted it). Too many questions and no answers, I hope the next episode is good. |
| My first thought was also throwing more paint to cover the footsteps. Or maybe that guy is lying about the call, idk. It's really weird to meaningless cut her head All these doubts made a suspense lover as myself very happy |
Wait, did you just say that Jojo is shit?  |
BlueBalls said: The logic of these alleged geniuses leaves a lot to be desired, in general the show isn't as smart as it thinks it is which makes SHAFT's (excellent) directing seem pretentious. Also you're not a minor in the eyes of the law if you're 19 years old, are you? Still a very interesting show and a good one so far. Well at least in Japan you are a minor if you are under 21... |
| Okay premise, decent excitement, stunning aesthetics |
| I'm sorry but there's supposed to be 11 genius here.. and not one mentions that maybe... just maybe... the killer spread paint everywhere on their way out?? I'm surprise noone here mention this either... but.. who says the earthquake knocked over even a single bucket of paint?? I mean it barely knocked a glass off the table, and we expect it to throw paint 3 meters wide in a circle around her? ZAREGOTO DESU... The obvious answer is that the killer walked in, no footprints needed, chopped her head off, painted a nice big circle and then left.. what's so confusing about that? XP Tbh, this was the first thing that jumped to mind and seemed completely obvious, so I was rather disappointed that noone even mentioned it.. :/ This better not be what happened, because it will make everyone look a bit like morons imo. :v |
starstormSep 26, 2017 2:12 AM
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| And yeah the body could easily be someone else's (although who's?) since they hid the head, and it doesnt seem like anyone put any effort into identifying the body, lmao. |
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| Went into this blind, so I honestly didn't know it'd be a murder mystery. It's certainly made for an interesting development, and actually the setting is perfect for it. Eccentric/mysterious characters together in one building on a small isolated island. It's absolutely perfect as a typical murder mystery setting. Well I'm suspecting the maids most. Especially the one with blue hair who literally no one around the table ever addresses. Any of the triplets (except for the nice one who was at the table at the time of the earthquake) are also a fair guess. Also the one who's set this all up, Ilia, is an obvious suspect. I don't suspect anyone else though. Maybe I'm being too safe and only thinking of the obvious suspects. Oh well, I'll keep watching and just hope that no one spoils it. |
| I definitely saw a Danganronpa reference! Damn, everyone is suspicious af.. Everyone seemed so calm and acted as normal after a murder, that bugs me a bit. Especially Kunagisa, picking up the dead body and checking it, like it's nothing unusual or new to her.. I think Ilia enjoys this as a crime solving game not as a culprit. We know this has happened before. But who knows. Maki knows whats going on that's for sure. Edit: Reddit answered this question for me, or rather the novel it self. |
Katsu-kunOct 14, 2017 4:25 PM
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| there is more of one assassin, or so i think! Chin'ya in complot with ....??? |
| lol at Tomo throwing her coat. Why is Ii shaking his head? Did someone really think she was alive? Akane so fine. LMAO at Tomo saying Sore wa chigau yo! That caught me off guard. Ii wants to move Akane to his room? Nice. Shinya appears. How nice of him to bury Kanami. lol at Ii asking Ii how long the prison sentence would be. I sensed the familiarity as I was watching and even wondered if they were doing a trial right now, but it wasn't until Tomo said "Sore wa chigau yo!" that confirmed it for me. Ii even called it a witch trial. lol Great episode. |
| If you see that my post is exactly 1 month old (or more) from when it was posted... Don't waste your time, especially when you want to reply with something petty & insignificant. Assume that I've moved on (because I have). |
| Yeah but why didn't they take into consideration that the killer maybe only wanted to kill the wheelchair girl, so then if they just stop killing all together than Akane is just going to get fucked over and the killer is still going to be free. But I'm going to assume the killer kills again lol, even though if they were actually smart they would refrain from doing and so and undoubtably push all the suspicion and evidence, well lack there of, onto Akane, and she wouldn't be able to do anything about it |
| “I love heroes, but I don't want to be one. Do you even know what a hero is!? For example, you have some meat. Pirates will feast on the meat, but the hero will distribute it among the people! I want to eat the meat!” - Monkey D. Luffy |
| I really like these whodunnit kind of shows. And when 10/12 of the members of this facade are gorgeous females, it makes it much more fun to watch! |
| I'm Bruneian and I like anime. And Manchester United. And fat cats. |
| How come these guys don't even flinch on seeing a corpse with a severed head and blood splattered all over!? How come they aren't suspecting Shinya, he's the most suspicious of them all. Given how he pushed forward the MC to be her model and later the way he talked on the phone how come these geniuses don't even suspect him!? I wonder if she wasn't the actual artist and Shinya was secretly making all the paintings or perhaps Shinya was also an artist and she couldn't stand him getting better than her and there was some sort of an issue between them. The way she reacted when the MC commented on her painting and him saying that there's something off about the painting in her room makes me suspicious. |
Always the same… Every age, every generation. Human beings are infinitely more cruel and selfish than any demon in hell ~Dantalion (Makai Ouji) |
| My money is on Tomo oddly enough, something about the way we find out she bought two of those coats, and when she walks over the the paint she stepped on the coat she left there previously *Cant get the image to work but just after 20:10* Where Ii-chan and Shinya-san both stepped on the paint because it would clearly be dried, just seems a little off to me. Maybe I've seen 1 too many anime and am starting to overthink things |
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| Kunagisa just pulled off a Danganronpa! |
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| I like how Boku just cover her body with his shake his head "she's dead" xD Everyone except Akane are pretty suspicious Iria is suspicious, she seems manipulating something Yayoi is uncomfortable, she obviously lied about something or forced to lie Shinya is obviously suspicious, he can lie about calling her and hearing her voice. Nobody heard he's speaking with Kanami I'm sure why the killer cut the head cleanly like that is a clue |
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| For this episode, they revealed that this is not the first time that there is killing and this is just another one of it. The first suspect for the murder is Akane, because ofcourse she is the one who really hates the artist. They decided to lock up Akane before Aikawa arrives, well Ilia doesn't want the police to be invlove so she chooses Aikawa as the police. Also, the way they handle Kanami's body feels like it's nothing. In the OP where it cuts the character heads makes sense now. |
| How convenient, the owner doesnt want our MCs to go just yet and suddenly there is a murder case preventing them from leaving Im not going to pretend I can follow everything, I still barely know the characters names. But it seems the plot starts to get serious now. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| Welcome to Danganronpa: NISIOISIN edition basically. Decent episode though, liked the debate early on and the way Tomo and Boku were running down of possibilities of culprits this episode, although the show is lacking narration again that was featured in the book that made the actions and processing of thoughts to be a lot more detailed, cohesive and interesting too. The song that Kajiura composed 'Old-fashioned fairy tale' is so damn good for this show, easily my favorite song she's composed for this anime so far. |
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