Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari Episode 22 Discussion

CookieMaster97 said:
this tbh, lol. like i get they spared their lives but they are still a danger to society, lock them up

and seriously i thought those guys would be a bit more open or feel sorry for all the trouble caused to naofumi but they really dont give a fuck, whats wrong with them? here i was hoping i would see some change in their character and grow fond of at least one of them. the other heros are arrogant to the point where it feels a bit unnatural

Dudi4PoLFr said:
God... I was thinking that after the last episode a lot will change but nope...

Swordsman and archer are still stupid and spearman is annoying AF everlastingly blindly trusting that slut and the Bitch is still a bitch.

I was hoppîng so much more from this anime...

Mica-Chan10 said:
However I still don't understand what aspect has you consider they'd be the last people to know about such an event.

dathanime said:
That red haired dude appeared out of no where, why even present him in the village? Just skip that and have them meet in the ship, wouldn't make any difference

ByonKun said:
Loved it. Still 10/10 for me. Can't wait to see more of L'Arc and his partner.

Blaze35 said:


I'm curious,its since yesterday that i read about the last episode being a 48 mins-long, so I did some research and didnt found nothing about it, even in the official store but I went to check the vol 4 Bluray(last volume) and in the description it says that the duration is 132 minutes vs the first volume with 176 minutes.
The others two volume are the same as the last one 132 minutes, so where did this famous 1hour lenght episode came out?

SSL443 said:

• Make the supporting cast as retarded and infuriating as possible to get the audience fired up.
  
• Subject the self-insert MC to some kind of persecution at the hands of said supporting cast to get the audience even angrier.
  
• Turn the tables and have some authority figure step in to chasten the supporting cast and validate the MC, emptying the audience justice blue-balls in dramatic fashion.
  
• Rinse and repeat.
  

Playcool said:

I read people talking last episode would be 1h, so I though they are including ep24-25 and releasing it together, makes sense, since it was said the anime would have 25 eps.
AND they cant end it with 24 without feeling RUSHED.

SSL443 said:
Yawn. A boring filler episode. Now that the main justice porn arc is completed, there really is nothing left to the story. So the result is just more forced, contrived drivel.

Obviously we're going to ignore 20 episodes of character "development"; Naofumi still plans to go home to his loser shut-in life, even though his name has been cleared, he has multiple hot waifus after his D, and he is one of the most powerful fuckers in the land.

Meanwhile, more plot contrivance; the other heroes know about some XP booster event, even though past experience suggests that they should be the last people with such knowledge. But no, now that the false rape justice porn is over with, new ways need to be found to make it look like the MC is being "persecuted". In other words, the other heroes need to be as condescending and dickish as possible to maintain the audience revenge boner an an acceptable level of tumescence. Because how else are they going to keep people interested in this garbage heap of a series?

Of course, no episode would be complete without validating the MC, as befits any proper self-insert. And the queen delivers, informing everyone that all the heroes will die in the next wave if they don't work together - except Naofumi, of course. Never mind that this makes no sense if the only way for the heroes to survive is by working together. Self-insert plot armor takes precedent over logic.

In short, the shallow, pathetic formula of this anime was laid bare in this episode, more than it has been at any prior point in the series.

• Make the supporting cast as retarded and infuriating as possible to get the audience fired up.
  
• Subject the self-insert MC to some kind of persecution at the hands of said supporting cast to get the audience even angrier.
  
• Turn the tables and have some authority figure step in to chasten the supporting cast and validate the MC, emptying the audience justice blue-balls in dramatic fashion.
  
• Rinse and repeat.
  

This anime is nothing more than justice porn in an endless loop. There's no meaningful plot, no character growth, no originality. Ultimately, the plot nitpicks I made above don't even matter in the face of how creatively bankrupt the underlying narrative really is.

SSL443 said:
Yawn. A boring filler episode. Now that the main justice porn arc is completed, there really is nothing left to the story. So the result is just more forced, contrived drivel.

Obviously we're going to ignore 20 episodes of character "development"; Naofumi still plans to go home to his loser shut-in life, even though his name has been cleared, he has multiple hot waifus after his D, and he is one of the most powerful fuckers in the land.

Meanwhile, more plot contrivance; the other heroes know about some XP booster event, even though past experience suggests that they should be the last people with such knowledge. But no, now that the false rape justice porn is over with, new ways need to be found to make it look like the MC is being "persecuted". In other words, the other heroes need to be as condescending and dickish as possible to maintain the audience revenge boner an an acceptable level of tumescence. Because how else are they going to keep people interested in this garbage heap of a series?

Of course, no episode would be complete without validating the MC, as befits any proper self-insert. And the queen delivers, informing everyone that all the heroes will die in the next wave if they don't work together - except Naofumi, of course. Never mind that this makes no sense if the only way for the heroes to survive is by working together. Self-insert plot armor takes precedent over logic.

In short, the shallow, pathetic formula of this anime was laid bare in this episode, more than it has been at any prior point in the series.

• Make the supporting cast as retarded and infuriating as possible to get the audience fired up.
  
• Subject the self-insert MC to some kind of persecution at the hands of said supporting cast to get the audience even angrier.
  
• Turn the tables and have some authority figure step in to chasten the supporting cast and validate the MC, emptying the audience justice blue-balls in dramatic fashion.
  
• Rinse and repeat.
  

This anime is nothing more than justice porn in an endless loop. There's no meaningful plot, no character growth, no originality. Ultimately, the plot nitpicks I made above don't even matter in the face of how creatively bankrupt the underlying narrative really is.

Gingko said:
Ok, why do you hate this show so much? your review is based mainly in your hate and subjective opinions.

In this topic you have said "bad writing" and "inconsistent narrative" a lot of times, but the only time you are right its when you talk about the time the Queen and "just Naofumi will survive stuff", that´s a minimal failure, not that important in the main plot.

Can you explain me more cases of inconsistent narrative?

The Bitch must keep being a bitch, she didnt show any regret even when she was in the guillotine she asked for mercy and there was just desperation, no regret.

the other 3 heroes understood that they made a mistake with Naofumi, but Naofumi was kind of an asshole saying several times that they are retards because of the shit they did, so its logical that they dont want to be friendly with him for now.

All that aspects are more consistant than what you wanted.


PS: This show is the only fuckin epic anime that really understand that the traditional epic formula is based on the restoration of the honor of the main hero. So if you think this is a shit formula you have to talk with all the epic tradition of the mankind.

umpiral56788 said:
you probably don't even know what a filler episode is considering you basically had to talk about the episode in length.
Wasn't contrived everything made sense , unimaginative but made sense.

The other heroes have earned that power boost past experience suggest they've earned it.

Everything else is just a stupid nitpick so no point addressing the.

SSL443 said:

Not sure why I would bother responding to someone who dismisses my points as subjective and hate-fueled, but if you really care you can check my post history.


A filler episode doesn't advance the plot or characters.

umpiral56788 said:
Wasn't contrived everything made sense , unimaginative but made sense.
.........
Everything else is just a stupid nitpick so no point addressing the.

umpiral56788 said:
you are being biased and subjective therefore you should frame your critical statements as such the problem is treat them as objective fact based on the words you use.

Hegar said:


It makes sense that the princess isn't punished for trying to murder her sister, and the Shield Hero, and others? Other than getting two silly names, the way a twelve-year-old might think of punishing someone? It makes sense that she'd be allowed in the castle and even have the opportunity to ONCE AGAIN try to kill the Shield Hero? And doesn't get punished for it?

No, it doesn't make sense. Especially not when their entire world depends on the heroes being there.

"just a stupid nitpick"

He didn't insult you, he stated an opinion. Why do you have to insult him for having another opinion than you?

Sounds like someone has been taking Oppression 101 class. "Biased and subjective". He states his opinion. That is allowed. "based on the words you use" So he has to insert "but that is just MY opinion" in everything? Typical liberal crahp. Thin-skinned, expects people to apologize even for talking, unless they say what you want them to say.

Why don't you complain about every other post in the thread where people comment on the show without stating "Of course I can't prove this mathematically or by pointing to the law, it's just my own opinion which might be wrong"?

And by the way, I do enjoy the show, no doubt more than SSL443 does, even though I find flaws in it. But I don't attack him for not having the same opinion as me. Maybe you can learn from that.

umpiral56788 said:
you are being biased and subjective therefore you should frame your critical statements as such the problem is treat them as objective fact based on the words you use.

That sentiment about filler isn't necessarily true but let's say it is

you contradict yourself here, it does advance the plot and characters by showcasing the aftermath of the resolution of the previous arcs and setting up for the ones that, you make statements indicating this.

SSL443 said:

lol, why would I reword my statements differently to protect your feelings? If I thought my statements were subjective, I would frame them as such. I'm not going to do so just because it doesn't fit the opinion of a MAL forum drone.


Well, you haven't provided your own definition of filler, so I can only go off of my "biased and subjective one".


I make statements indicating a LACK of character development. I'm not sure where my statements imply either resolution of setup for arcs, but in any case not much happens to advance any kind of arc. The resolution of the last arc already happened in the previous episode.

SSL443 said:

lol, why would I reword my statements differently to protect your feelings? If I thought my statements were subjective, I would frame them as such. I'm not going to do so just because it doesn't fit the opinion of a MAL forum drone.


Well, you haven't provided your own definition of filler, so I can only go off of my "biased and subjective one".


I make statements indicating a LACK of character development. I'm not sure where my statements imply either resolution of setup for arcs, but in any case not much happens to advance any kind of arc. The resolution of the last arc already happened in the previous episode.

SSL443 said:

lol, why would I reword my statements differently to protect your feelings? If I thought my statements were subjective, I would frame them as such. I'm not going to do so just because it doesn't fit the opinion of a MAL forum drone.


Well, you haven't provided your own definition of filler, so I can only go off of my "biased and subjective one".


I make statements indicating a LACK of character development. I'm not sure where my statements imply either resolution of setup for arcs, but in any case not much happens to advance any kind of arc. The resolution of the last arc already happened in the previous episode.

umpiral56788 said:
A filler episode or portion of story is where if you remove it from the story it doesn't change anything. It refers to elongated portions , for example the foxy arc in one piece. This episode is known as downtime where the characters interact with each other to establish current relationships and characterization and provides set up in the next. Set up is part of advancement.

You said that this episode was a filler and by your definition is LACK of character and plot advancement, but by your definition you contradict yourself, you claim it's filler yet you mock all the moments that are blantant set up and showcasing interactions amongst character after resolution i.e., character interactions after the events of previous , you even mock the rewards they got as undeserved which is both plot advancement and character progression, and the speech of the queen to naofumi is set up.

SSL443 said:

Again, this episode demonstrated a clear lack of character development, as I pointed out in my episode commentary in this thread. Hence, it was a filler episode.

You're free to persist in saying that the episode contained things that it did not. Not like I can stop you.

umpiral56788 said:
character development doesn't happen every episode that just isn't possible for any story , what we got was character interactions and showcasing the aftermath of previous arcs

and the character and progress did develop you basically said they did in your own critical statement in the original post.

SSL443 said:

No, character development isn't possible for every story, because every story isn't good.

That's kind of the point of what I'm saying.


Then please quote exactly the portions of my post that said that "the character and progress did develop".

umpiral56788 said:
I don't know how to quote on the phone but I specified the moments you mocked in the previous post the speech, the poison and the xp boost all come under showcasing the aftermath and character development in the last one , and that scene with poison showcases character development as well.

SSL443 said:

How convenient. Get back to me when you figure out how to click buttons.

umpiral56788 said:
yeah and it's convenient how you just ignore everything else and the points I specified as well, good job avoiding the discussion, being wrong is a difficult thing.

SSL443 said:

What did I ignore? The aspects of the episode that you seem to think constitute something other than filler I have already identified as the exact opposite.

Ultimately, it seems you just want to catch me out as "wrong" in classifying the episode as filler, as though that will invalidate every point I've made about the series over the past several months.

umpiral56788 said:
yes you did ignore cause by your definition that isn't filler. You're identifying as what you want is irrelevant, what matters is what they are from a logical and storytelling standpoint which I've already specified multiple times throughout the course of this argument. And how it contradicts your definition of filler showing the aftermath of conflict is plot progression and the showing character receive awards is character development.

If every point youve made about the series is governed by the same rationale then yes it's wrong , and being wrong does invalidate your points, that's what it means, it means your reasoning for it is poorly founded and hypocritical.

SSL443 said:

Showing aftermath isn't progression per se. Context is key, and in the context of this show, the last episode was filler. Which I explain in my original episode commentary.


So what would you like me to do, write a letter to the UN apologizing for International Crimes Against Fanboys?

umpiral56788 said:
showing aftermath is by definition progression, it shows that overarching conflict is resolved and how the characters are coping with it's resolution there is almost no story which doesn't do this I gave multiple examples where this is done. Context is key and in the context of the last episode it was set up and character progression.

No I would want you like to you to form better more properly established opinions and learn the distinction between constructive criticism and poorly established rants.

SSL443 said:

But the overarching conflict isn't resolved, and the characters are not coping with any resolution. They are stuck going through the same plot beats, the same formula, as I outlined in my original post.

There is no character progression. That's the point of what I've been saying.


Well, I'm still waiting for you to prove that you have any insight into this distinction whatsoever.

umpiral56788 said:
the overarching conflict has been resolved you literally talk about how "stupid" the moments of resolution and you talk about the set up of what's to come.

There is character progression them receiving xp awards is progression and the status of naofumi is progression which you mocked in your original post. Literally everything you say after calling the episode filler contradicts the definition of filler.

The distinction is one is properly founded by what's given with consistent logical criteria no hypocracy involved and the other is a rant filled with holes and nitpicks.

SSL443 said:

Gaining XP isn't character progression.

umpiral56788 said:
gaming xp is progression , it's gaining experience and power. Something that puts a character above the baseline from what they started mentally and physically is progression especially when it's a reward, if you can't be convinced it progression it is most definitely set up for any up coming conflict.

SSL443 said:

Well, I can certainly see why you would think my criticisms are poorly established rants.

lol.

SSL443 said:

Well, I can certainly see why you would think my criticisms are poorly established rants.

lol.

umpiral56788 said:
condescension without proper foundation, refutal without disproving my points and critism without understanding the terminology and semantic.
Now I understand why your thoughts on the show are the way they are. It's hard thinking you're wrong so let's ignore that idea completely and put a superficial front.

SSL443 said:

The sad thing is that you are oblivious to the irony of your posts. I'll let you continue to flail around here.