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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Yeah, this is rushed. They pretty much squeezed in the final battles with both sides in this episode. At least we got to see Stella fight in a mech again so that's a plus. Stella managed to avoid death this episode when Leila pushed her out of the way. Also, we finally get a more direct confrontation between Stella and Yuuki in the finale. Long over due. But rather than trying to kill each other, they unite together. It ends with laughs and smiles between those two with their minds at peace. I got pretty mixed thoughts on this overall tbh. Could of been better. |
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| LEILA NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! T_T Sad AF!!! Meh anime in the end. 6/10 seems reasonable. |
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| I enjoyed this anime. However, I'm not sure how I feel how about implications of this basically anti-tech ending. Also, I think more people on Stella's side needed to die for her words to really mean anything. Especially since she and her team spent the whole series massacring Yuuki's side, and especially people she's close to. In Yuuki's case her position is more believable, considering how many people who have died around her, and the fact that she's shouldered the responsibility as leader and for their lives, as well as the guilt that comes with that. This ending episode could have been better, but it was exactly what was expected. Also, not that it's something I'd want to see, but they could have been ballsy and made Stella be the one to kill Leila. Moments before she's shooting unarmed people in the back, so go all of the way with that. I'm just glad they didn't do a reveal 'I'm your mother' that would have been way too cliche. |
syncrogazerMar 22, 2019 9:32 AM
| Finally, we reached the end. The finale with the battle plan to stop Yuuki's plans. After the heinous journey thus far, Lelia saved Stella's life (her journey worthwhile) and left the world in smiles. AND FINALLY THE DUO MEET EACH OTHER, what a bummer and an utter disappointment to see this happen now. The confrontation of not a fight between both ladies, but of reconciliation of smiles. Guess that the production staff got what they have been preaching these past 3 months. In the end, the irrational momentum just kills this anime. What a shame, it could have been better. |
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| I think the end would have been more effective, if Yuki and Stella hadn't meat just 2 minutes before they decided to work together. I think Stella recognizing Layla as her mother, and the two realizing they had that connection would have been a more convincing way for them to decide to work together. It's obvious though that Stella's fighting spirit slowly eroded from episode 3 to the end. We can thank Gail for that. He showed her the value of caring for others (like the orphans). He showed her that survival in life was more than just fighting, and his death and Layla's self-sacrifice to save Stella eventually broke her will to keep fighting. |
HOOfan_1Mar 22, 2019 9:19 AM
| Well... We almost watched Stella kill her mom. Instead, we got to see her mom protect her from death instead, while dying instead. I really don't know what to make of this ending. It doesn't feel like a solution. I'm still wondering what happened to the people in hospitals that were probably running on Charas. |
| Well, despite some flaws, that was unexpectedly the show I was the most looking forward every week, even more than Mob psycho and Dororo. The way the story was presented, we couldn't know in the beginning where it would be going and where it would end and despite presenting Yuuki always on the losing side of the war, she is the one finally who brought peace and hope to the world. Is it not great ? Yes it is :) They even had the good idea to take the time to address some issues about the consequences of losing the chrars technologie. I am still very sad that Leila died but being a Yuni Vanquish fanboy (she kicks ass, perfect woman) I'm more than happy she is still alive at the end of the story, same with most of the rest of the cast. I can understand that a lot of people were lost with the narrative, the unexpected development and the final message of this anime, but for once I was surprised and I really loved it. I never thought I would say something like that about a 6.01 rated show. This story was a playdoyer to rethink our use of energy and the wars linked to it. This kind of speech might sound naive but it's never bad to think seriously about these issues. |
| That's... ..very anticlimactic. |
| Kind of a letdown lol. Sad that Stella didn't recognize Layla but I'm glad Yuuki managed to survive. The dude leading the Empire was pure evil though so I don't see how he should be allowed to be free. Overall message of the show is very good. Too bad it seems like their budget was too low to execute it better. |
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| Seems like some part of Stella realised Reila was her mother but it's questionable wether she fully realised it. Which makes me wonder if she thought it was her mother or not. It did change her mind tho. The ending was pretty ok. |
| So basically all the decently written characters got killed off? Great. |
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| I only watched this for the meeting of Yuki and Stella... What a disappointment, damn... This episode felt even more rushed then Black Clover episodes. |
| My guess was from since a few episodes back Reira and Stella are mother and daughter because of there similarities like thr hair color and mole under there left eye |
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| Weak finale. 5/10 for the whole series. Nice ideas but very bad execution. The guyy responsible for the storyline/pacing need to learn a lot more before they are able to make a halfway decent original anime. (Then again with 1-cour not much more might have been possible without shortening the base plot.) |
| Well, it's over. It should be a 24 ep. anime, too rushed. But at least the plot and the characters were good. 6/10 for the anime. |
NurguburuMar 22, 2019 1:04 PM
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| I prayed that the ending wouldn't sucks, fortunately it's not sucks, and actually better than expected. I really enjoying the ride. I think the series would be better if it's a bit longer, or at least have an epilogue to it. And I always feel like it's ended too fast each episode lol I'm sad that Stella wouldn't get to know that Layla was her mother that saved her life, but like someone else said, it's probably better if she didn't know it so as not making her grieving afterwards. Overall pretty solid original mecha anime, with war drama from both sides perspectives and also climate change because of technology. Both Yuki and Stella (and other people of course) paid a heavy price for their smiles. 7.5/10 for me. |
| Three major gripes about this episode: 1) once the empire knew about what the kingdom was planning they scrambled everyone nearby to intercept and while it seems some took a few of the escorts somehow stella's team alone got to them just moments(maybe an hour or two) after they arrived at the facility. 2) stella after learning what the machine will do just hoping the enemy that she's been killing for so long is telling the truth about their intentions of stoping all chars and even if that's the case, like she said that won't stop people from killing each other and who knows how many deaths shutting down their power source will cause. 3) and finally, why the heck is the button that activates the whole thing placed on top of it and accessed by a soon to be useless elevator and how did those two get down from there? Like others said it would have made more sense and made it more intense/scarring if stella had killed her own mother. Also while I guess they having some back up tech would make sense(the higher ups knew about verdes research), how and why would it seem to be fossil fuel/hydrocarbon based, that's almost as if my grankids moving to mars took my grandad chevy with them and it somehow still working. All in all after having seen shirobako right before this mess all I can feel is pity for the team that worked on this mess. |
| Jaz like that......it ended with Yuki and Stella cooperation with each other......Boring....... |
| Cant believe that old guy in Yuki's army lived. That is shocking he made it out. He looked like kill bait to me. |
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Kagami said: Cant believe that old guy in Yuki's army lived. That is shocking he made it out. He looked like kill bait to me. he was not a front line fighter...same reason the woman general from Grandiga lived through the war |
Luxeraph said: Three major gripes about this episode: 1) once the empire knew about what the kingdom was planning they scrambled everyone nearby to intercept and while it seems some took a few of the escorts somehow stella's team alone got to them just moments(maybe an hour or two) after they arrived at the facility. In the 11th episode they showed how fkin far away Stella's squad was from the main battle, and since it was the 'main battle' probably just about every other squad was there. Luxeraph said: 2) stella after learning what the machine will do just hoping the enemy that she's been killing for so long is telling the truth about their intentions of stoping all chars and even if that's the case, like she said that won't stop people from killing each other and who knows how many deaths shutting down their power source will cause. Yeah, a well-trained soldier would have not given in, because there is absolutely no guarantee the enemy isn't lying. Though here both of them are just children. But yes, this dialoge part could have been a lot better made. Luxeraph said: 3) and finally, why the heck is the button that activates the whole thing placed on top of it and accessed by a soon to be useless elevator and how did those two get down from there? You know in all American films the nuke is the bigass red button. IMO this facility wasn't meant to be a military building, the Verde Empire probably intended to end the age of chars peacefully, with some big ceremony, on the top of the building. At least they would have, if they had the technology for it and the nearby major powers haven't killed them off right when they got to know about their plan. Hah yeah, after pressing the buttion on the top of the building they could have been like:  Luxeraph said: Like others said it would have made more sense and made it more intense/scarring if stella had killed her own mother. Yes, it would have been more intense, but they just intended to end on a positive note. There is finally 'meaning' in one's death, she saved her own daughter, not just died in war. Yes, in reality Stella would have shot both her and Yuki right on spot, chars wouldn't have been shut down, the Empire conqers the Kingdom, people are rioting, the chars are still "eating away" nature, food production steadily decreases year by year, more wars, extinction. Maybe the thing I appreciated most about this anime is that it is kind of in parallel with our world. Major powers are fighting over the very resoruces that will eventually end life on the planet (chars ~= oil). That's why I don't mind the (too) happy ending. We will see the real ending with our own eyes in the future. Luxeraph said: All in all after having seen shirobako right before this mess all I can feel is pity for the team that worked on this mess. Yes, it is by far not a masterpiece, but art was fine, sound was fine, characters were quite good, story was relatively unpredictable. What more can one want in a decent show. I was planning to watch Shirobako as well, but eh,,, geniuely good people that are working earnestly on good products... Couldn't be any farther from reality :D I watched Gi(a)rlish Number, that show was golden. |
HOOfan_1 said: Kagami said: Cant believe that old guy in Yuki's army lived. That is shocking he made it out. He looked like kill bait to me. he was not a front line fighter...same reason the woman general from Grandiga lived through the war True. However, I assumed he would have somehow died in this episode. @imSOunique - I think the issue with this show is something I can see ruining the experience for people. This anime actually had a really strong premise and with the right crew and 24 episodes, not 12 it could have been alot stronger. Needed better art, stronger worldbuilding and deeper moments. |
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| /rant Finally, a shitty ending befitting an overall subpar show. The resolution literally break my suspension of disbelief: why the hell did the empire let go of Yuki/Stella so easily? Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the whole purpose of the war is to steal the technological superior chrars the kingdom possessed to feed its immediate starving population? Won't Yuki's press of a button literally doom the staving empire population? Does she has any idea that she's basically throwing the only card she had, the superior chrars technology to the drain and that the empire still outnumber them? Does she even have guarantee that the empire might just as well slaughter all the kingdom soldiers present in the battlefield who were vastly outnumbered with guns and cannons out of frustration? Not to mention the deux ex machina of the almost immediate effect of the nanomachine on crop improvement by shutting the chrars which is established that it needs at least a millennia to wipe out nanomachine? Why did the empire not have forces guarding EMP facility knowing that it might be its Achilles heel? Is the empire that incompetent to not even make educated guess of the naive princess' next move provided they know the fact that classified information was already leaked to the enemy? If I were the emperor/field commander, I would use this as a chance for a bloodless conquest, barring Yuki and Stella. I just had to spread rumors like out of madness and desperation, the princess forsaken her people in her desperation to just bring the empire down along with her and shut down chrars once and for all. I'm pretty sure all the pent up frustration for the incompetent ruler who bring only bring loss and death to the kingdom so far would give someone the idea to just overthrow the monarchy and send Yuki to the guillotine. Even if there might be some royalists siding with Yuki to the bitter end, I just have to either end the civil war by siding with the anti-Yuki faction or wait until both faction killing each other off. 1/10 for me. Still have hope the show would at least go for a bittersweet/depressing end than this fairytale end. Maybe I'm just too cynical for this... /end of rant |
NitroKageAkiMar 22, 2019 2:10 PM
| And also, I love how Huey wasnt shown at the end scene but afro guy was. WTF |
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| [quote=imSOunique] Kougeru said: Kind of a letdown lol. Sad that Stella didn't recognize Layla but I'm glad Yuuki managed to survive. The dude leading the Empire was pure evil though so I don't see how he should be allowed to be free. Overall message of the show is very good. Too bad it seems like their budget was too low to execute it better. There's other ways to "recognize" people other than looks. But even still, she wasn't a baby. She was a toddler and I recognized my mom when I saw her 10 years later despite not seeing her in pictures or anything after being separated since then. Or maybe the fact that they look extremely similar? I would expect her to at least be like "whoa this lady looks a lot like me" but that didn't happen at all. It's like she didn't look at her face at all. |
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| [quote=Kougeru message=57195817] imSOunique said: Kougeru said: Kind of a letdown lol. Sad that Stella didn't recognize Layla but I'm glad Yuuki managed to survive. The dude leading the Empire was pure evil though so I don't see how he should be allowed to be free. Overall message of the show is very good. Too bad it seems like their budget was too low to execute it better. There's other ways to "recognize" people other than looks. But even still, she wasn't a baby. She was a toddler and I recognized my mom when I saw her 10 years later despite not seeing her in pictures or anything after being separated since then. Or maybe the fact that they look extremely similar? I would expect her to at least be like "whoa this lady looks a lot like me" but that didn't happen at all. It's like she didn't look at her face at all. Meh. I remember nothing from my toddler days. Not everyone remembers things from ages 1-5. Heck, as we get older we forget more things too. I agree they look alike, but I don't hold it against Stella for not knowing her from a looks stand point. |
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| Im a little hazy on the earlier eps regarding Stella/Layla. Was Stella her real name? or one she got as "Stella Shining", I thought it was weird during Layla's death that she did even say her daughters real name, but now thinking its weirder she say a name at all. Might have given a little more impact to the scene people were looking for regarding Stella killing Layla herself |
TrumpAnimeMar 22, 2019 5:54 PM
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imSOunique said: NitroKageAki said: /rant Finally, a shitty ending befitting an overall subpar show. The resolution literally break my suspension of disbelief: why the hell did the empire let go of Yuki/Stella so easily? Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the whole purpose of the war is to steal the technological superior chrars the kingdom possessed to feed its immediate starving population? Won't Yuki's press of a button literally doom the staving empire population? Does she has any idea that she's basically throwing the only card she had, the superior chrars technology to the drain and that the empire still outnumber them? Does she even have guarantee that the empire might just as well slaughter all the kingdom soldiers present in the battlefield who were vastly outnumbered with guns and cannons out of frustration? Not to mention the deux ex machina of the almost immediate effect of the nanomachine on crop improvement by shutting the chrars which is established that it needs at least a millennia to wipe out nanomachine? Why did the empire not have forces guarding EMP facility knowing that it might be its Achilles heel? Is the empire that incompetent to not even make educated guess of the naive princess' next move provided they know the fact that classified information was already leaked to the enemy? If I were the emperor/field commander, I would use this as a chance for a bloodless conquest, barring Yuki and Stella. I just had to spread rumors like out of madness and desperation, the princess forsaken her people in her desperation to just bring the empire down along with her and shut down chrars once and for all. I'm pretty sure all the pent up frustration for the incompetent ruler who bring only bring loss and death to the kingdom so far would give someone the idea to just overthrow the monarchy and send Yuki to the guillotine. Even if there might be some royalists siding with Yuki to the bitter end, I just have to either end the civil war by siding with the anti-Yuki faction or wait until both faction killing each other off. 1/10 for me. Still have hope the show would at least go for a bittersweet/depressing end than this fairytale end. Maybe I'm just too cynical for this... /end of rant With majority of the weapons out of order, it would have been incredibly difficult to close out the war. Yes, they still had the superior army, but even if the soldiers would have been able to go fighting by foot, it would have been next to impossible to maintain the supplies. Also without the chars, the entire economy is in ruins, maybe that is a bit more urgent than trying to finish a probably unwinnable war. He could have tried to prove that Yuki shut down all the chars, but then the Kingdom just denies it, and why would the Kingdoms's population believe to the opposing ruler who has been recently leading a war against them? Also the Empire kind of wants to get on the Kingdom's good side (Stella only getting a light punishment, giving back all occupied territores, etc), because the Kingdom is technologically more advanced, they have better tools to make through the current situation than them, hopefully they are willing to share. And yes, Yuki was a bad military leader throughout the whole show. But she's a child, whatever are you expecting of her. Although in the later episodes (after losing the capital) she was performing quite good. She was raised to be a good ruler. Good ruler does not equal good general, noble ideas are only dragging you down in a war. Thank you for even bother reading the rant. With majority of the weapons out of order, it would have been incredibly difficult to close out the war. Yes, they still had the superior army, but even if the soldiers would have been able to go fighting by foot, it would have been next to impossible to maintain the supplies. Also without the chars, the entire economy is in ruins, maybe that is a bit more urgent than trying to finish a probably unwinnable war. I'm not questioning the outcome of the war, or rather Yuki ever consider the possibility of spreading the war even further instead of stopping it? Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the whole purpose of the war is to steal the technological superior chrars the kingdom possessed to feed its immediate starving population? If the news leaked from the higher-ups to the soldiers, would the soldiers be still be rational enough to cease fighting if they know the war they're fighting is for naught all thanks to Yuki? Would they not vent their frustration on the fact that their loved ones might haved be doomed to die in the famine to the kingdom soldiers? He could have tried to prove that Yuki shut down all the chars, but then the Kingdom just denies it, and why would the Kingdoms's population believe to the opposing ruler who has been recently leading a war against them? Also the Empire kind of wants to get on the Kingdom's good side (Stella only getting a light punishment), because the Kingdom is technologically more advanced, they have better tools to make through the current situation than them, hopefully they are willing to share. The emperor need not spread the rumors through propaganda, he just need to plant the seed of distrust among the kingdom citizens by disseminating rumors through spies into the public. He could also spreading evidence (photo of her heading to the EMP facility) for evidence. He could also spin the narrative that she was selling her nationto the empire for her own personal safety by showing her being with Stella in the facility, who would be the empire's spy in this scenario. It would be justified by Yuki's decision to spare empire's soldier, which is no doubt benefit the empire. The emperor needs not all the citizens believing the rumors, but to create dissidents within the kingdom to take matters into their own hands. I fully understand the show trying to sell us the viewer flawed characters in conflict. Just that it disappoints me that it shows not lived up to its title, the Price of smile, by letting both Yuki and Stella off the hook so easily without any serious repercussion and price for their action in the grand finale. Maybe it's just me being too jaded for this... |
NitroKageAkiMar 22, 2019 3:23 PM
imSOunique said: In the 11th episode they showed how fkin far away Stella's squad was from the main battle, and since it was the 'main battle' probably just about every other squad was there. Yes they were like a continent away from the main battle but the empire stationed squads along the border just in case and I'm pretty sure that order of "get that convoy that's headed to this place in verde at all costs" was for everyone not on the main battle so at least a few squads should have gotten there with stella's crew(or more taking in mind that yuuki's convoy didn't stop while stella's squad took a break) even if they were to do nothing. imSOunique said: Yes, in reality Stella would have shot both her and Yuki right on spot, chars wouldn't have been shut down, the Empire conqers the Kingdom, people are rioting, the chars are still "eating away" nature, food production steadily decreases year by year, more wars, extinction. IMO they could have gotten away with stella killing layla, layla giving her some cryptic message that she is her daughter and that she should help yuuki save the world with her last breath, then when stella gets to yuuki ask her what "that" woman was talking about, yuuki realizing that the empire soldier in front of her is the daughter that layla told her she lost in the terrorist attack(iirc she did tell her, right?), have her tell stella that war drove her to kill her own mother(possible mind break), finish it off telling her that chars are killing the planet and thats why verde built the machine they're on top of and that by activating it they stop the war and save the planet. But that's just me, also I belive it was in episode 8 that it was so rushed that they had characters move a la southpark while they footstep sounds. |
1idd0kun said: JiangHaoyi1979 said: Jaz like that......it ended with Yuki and Stella cooperation with each other......Boring....... What cooperation? All Stella did was helping push a fucking button. Talk about being irrelevant. Yeah, that jaz it, she agrees to push the button with Yuki so it's cooperation. |
| so Stella never gonna know about her mother ? |
| Good show but with a very lackluster ending. I mean, did anyone really learn a lesson? Did anyone's character really change? I think a yuri slice-of-life season 2 is the only thing that can redeem this. |
imSOunique said: modboy said: Good show but with a very lackluster ending. I mean, did anyone really learn a lesson? Did anyone's character really change? I think a yuri slice-of-life season 2 is the only thing that can redeem this. Well, both MC-s developed quite a lot. I warned that it would not be yuri or romance in any form, but people did not believe me, continuing to hope for their illusion and ignoring the actual anti-military plot of this show. It says a lot about the mentality of the modern anime community, but I won't say anything because I don't want to be toxic. |
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