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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Created an episode discussion thread since there wasn't one. Just finished watching it in the cinema. Wasn't expecting much from the trailer but yea...The trailer was the best part of movie. Beyond that point, it was just a downhill ride filled with disappointment and hot air. So instead, i'll just list out those moment that surprised me during the whole run of the movie. Gundam Narrative being able to split into 3 (i think) really caught me off guard and gave me ZZ vibes. Neo Zeong II was just..urgh. OST was amazing as usual. Avoid watching it if you can. |
| Ok I watched this movie twice now. So I still dont get it. The three of them ended up being actual real Newtypes right? I know for sure Jonah Basta became a new type at the end of the movie because only newtypes can activate destroy mode right? |
| Haven't watch this yet, but can anyone give me a spoiler if the main cast survive at the end of the movie? Because I get a feeling that blonde girl will end up dead... |
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| all the girls introduced in the movie dies. lol. |
G_Aker said: WTF. Really?all the girls introduced in the movie dies. lol. Is this Tomino show or something? lol |
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G_Aker said: all the girls introduced in the movie dies. lol. Minerva still alive. Edit: sorry didn't read it carefully. Minerva not introduced from this movie Good to know banagher still alive too. A little bit disappointed with the animation. I expect Gundam RG but ended with Gundam HG at most scene |
hiruman said: G_Aker said: WTF. Really?all the girls introduced in the movie dies. lol. Is this Tomino show or something? lol yes rly. lol. Mineva is not a new character so she not dead. But the rest of the girls all dies hahahaha |
albertsqy said: mm,, I am new here, and i a bit confused what will happen to phenex, banagher and jona? is there any sequel to this? and what this cyber newtype? is cyber newtype just like ultimate coordinator in seed? for UC gundam series, i just watch unicorn and this thank you n.b : this movie is really cool, i love the animation even thought i confused about cyber newtype I'm new to Gundam and only watch Unicorn and this too. What i got is Cyber Newtype is an artificial Newtype just like Marida. Nice drama, ost, and animation. Disappointed to know that the main (and best) Gundam is Phenex not Narrative. |
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| @albertsqy Basically, people are going through a mix of drugs and other (mis)treatments in order to "reeducate them" and push them to develop Newtype-like abilities. In the end, you get a few effective (and broken) individuals. See more in Zeta, ZZ, CCA. (even though 0079 is the most interesting part, it doesn't have Cyber NT who were developed later in th euniverse) albertsqy said: to make a ultimate coordinator, to push the newtype abilities beyond the limit No. The idea was to weaponize Newtypes (it starts in 0079, where brainwaves/psychic of NTs are used to control ranged weapon), but since NT are "rare", to start from scratch: you take/capture a normal human (preferably a young girl) and drug/train/brainwash/whatever her until your guinea pig develop ESP-like abilities. The mind state of those girls was... well terrible in several ways. Cyber Newtype treatment would be later (093) improved if I remember well (a guy in CCA was subjected to it and didn't turn mad.) @RX-782 "All over the place", just like anything Fukui writes/scripts, right? |
Rei_IIIFeb 24, 2019 8:27 PM
| Movie was really mediocre, it just felt all over the place. |
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| Saw it & I enjoyed it well enough. Wouldn't really call it great but nothing I found was offensivly bad & the visuals were great so I liked it. At the very least I'm looking forward to Hathaway's Flash more now if only for the extremely cynical ending hopefully devoid of Newtype hax God powers. |
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| Would've been better split into two movies or several OVAs |
G Reco exist so it could be worse too. |
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| -- THERE ARE SPOILERS IN THIS POST (if you're concerned about spoilers why are you here?) -- Man, they leaned so heavily into the space magic on this one. I just don't know what went wrong here. Firstly, doesn't the entire premise of the movie cause a lore problem? Newtypes are awakened by life in space, so how did this random earth girl suddenly have a Newtype premonition? If these wonder children saved the town, how did they do that? Who would listen to a little kid saying to evacuate based on a hunch? In 0079 Newtypes aren't really a "thing" people accept as real yet. Secondly, how many times did they need to show the flashback (flashforward??) at the beach? How many times did we need to hear her say "I dont know if heaven is real but I know souls are real, there's more than just this life" yeah we get it. You don't need to show the same thing repeatedly. It's like they were just padding for time in a movie that was already too long. The mobile suits themselves; the Phenex was fine I guess, and it makes sense as a third unit to 01 and 02 (how are so many secret suits built???) but the titular Gundam NT barely had any time to be a "character". Nothing that I can remember about its development or where it came from, it armaments aren't really explained, and they they kill it, but not before revealing it has a convenient core fighter for a few seconds. Re-hashing the already kind of ridiculous NewType Destroy thing made me roll my eyes, and after they made such a big deal about how Jonah was unable to control it, then it ... never came up again. The Neo Zeong II was just ... ugh. Why would this even be built? Why would someone pull out some blueprints from 20 years ago of a failed mobile armor and be like, yeah, let's make another one of these? The best thing about this for me was the callbacks to the earlier series, like seeing Char speaking as seen in Zeta, and seeing a few frames of the Zeta itself. Those parts got me excited, but they were very brief. Even the action for me was disappointing. I get it that in a post-Unicorn world, we're seeing power creep problems a la most shounen anime (How can Goku keep getting stronger and fighting more powerful foes?) but they need to remember these are huge machines, not ninjas. They often move so fast with so many "special effects" it can be almost impossible to actually follow what's going on in a scene. Then when they show the grunt suits standing around it's almost comical how much nothing they're doing. When you can actually tell what's happening, the animation was, I thought, overall pretty good. I really liked when you could tell things were hand-drawn, though the CGI for me didn't take much away. Aside from the fact that, I guess, they think they can get away with the obnoxiously fast action by using CGI. One thing I did like that they did was the red herring about having another "things falling on earth" doomsday scenario. As soon as they started talking about it I groaned, they're gonna drop more stuff on earth? But they didn't happen, so it was nice that they showed some restraint. The first few minutes of this movie really got my hopes up. The return to 0079 and some beautiful animation on the cliff with the birds and everything had my hopes up. Seeing the colony drop reanimated again was nice. But excited as I was about seeing this I was already checking my watch about halfway through. I really wanted this to be good, but man it just was not for me. I really like Gundam when it's more grounded in reality, and this was just NOT that. Not that at all. So I wonder at this point if they're going to split the UC timeline and go heavy down this space magic path that people seem to like. Otherwise I'm not sure how they're going to reign it back in to line up with Twilight Axis and F91 unless they plan to just retcon them away. |
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madbandboy said: G-reco's better than almost everything post-Turn A though, only Build Fighters is better. I would say it was also better than the Zeta New Translation movies, which were just horrendous on every level |
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madbandboy said: llamathrust109 said: I would say it was also better than the Zeta New Translation movies, which were just horrendous on every level i only watched the third Zeta compilation, but it was horrible. And for what it's worth, the third one is the best of the three. But that's not saying much. I as convinced to watch Zeta proper after watching the movies, and I'm glad I did, because Zeta is my favorite non-OVA Gundam series. It's incredible how badly they butchered those movie releases. |
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| I don't understand the utility of this movie. Almost everything is bad. Characters, gundam and fight. The Villain was... And no development for main characters so we can't like them. 6/10 because Banagher appears and ost was cool. But without that it's a 5. |
Raikiri29May 27, 2019 1:25 PM
| Oh well, that was quite a pointless movie. Can't say I liked anything. Couldn't get interested in neither the characters nor the story. At least we got to see Mineva and Banana again. |
| Goddamnit...this is why I hate Newtypes in Gundam. Such attention whores by design. Take a series about factions warring about the civil liberties of the colonized being encroached, and use the conflict to show how war isn't the answer... But then take a left turn and make it all about psychic crybabies who's nonsensical backstories just retread other series' canon and reuse old (child soldier experimentations are wrong muhhh) tropes. Someone had to have planned Gundam Narrative's plot, then script it, then animate it, AND IT WAS GREENLIT AT EVERY STAGE. The level of contempt they must have for their consumers is ridiculous. They assume that because its UC, people will be happy to buy the merch/BDs. Like this whole thing was just a shitty hour and a half infomercial for the NT Gunplas. For the love of God, keep this entire production away from Hathaway's Flash. |
Somali_StrawhatMay 27, 2019 4:29 PM
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| Should have been as long or twice as long as the original unicorn. A lot of great idea's and concepts. The 20 min stream did a great job showing that. Movie on the otherhand, had way too much crammed into it. Skips from one thing to the next, somehow capturing the phenex becomes an everybody teamup to fight the big bad. Although Gundam was one of my first anime and is something I'll always be coming back to, this is the first time I've actually been excited for a release and this was a total let down. Great advertisement, poor movie. |
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| Characters were just bad, especially dat Zoltan... (why would he shoot in the colony really ? Clearly felt it was for the plot...) And bad idea to put so much importance on a dead heroine, and flashbacks. But it still has some potential, depending on how MC matured. |
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| Unfortunately this movie felt utterly pointless. It's always awesome seeing 2D mechs in action (might as well those enjoy while we still can) but the story was pretty non-existent and the characters are such bores. This didn't feel a Universal Century Gundam series at all despite all the constant references to past events. I'm also just really done with the whole Newtype thing. Unicorn already went way too far with that shit in its final episode and now this thing comes along and only reminds how annoying that drivel was. Yes Sunrise, Unicorn (overall) was pretty awesome, you don't have to try and make the same thing but without much substance. Move on and PLEASE for the love of god let Hathaway's Flash be awesome unlike this movie. I gave it the benefit of the doubt with a 6 but after letting it sink in, more than a 5 it ain't getting from me. |
| Man, I'm so conflicted about this movie. It has many beautiful and emotional scenes, but the story just doesn't make sense at times. They start off chasing Phenex, but then they have to fight this other guy, the main guy is kinda useless, Michelle's sacrifice is kinda dumb ... It has to be a 7 from me, but some scenes are so great, if the story was more coherent it'd definitely be a 9 from me. |
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| PLACEHOLDER Enjoyment: ?3?/5 Foreseeable score: 3-5/10 The first movie, from what I remember, condenses its part very well. (of course, you still have to digest the fact the digital scenes have a totally different paint scheme and chara-design) @Somali_Strawhat Everything by Fukui is magically green-lighted. (the guy got to realize his dream of making a Moon² story, even though they allow only a manga) Just imagine him adapting Tomino's novel... (ahahahaha...) ALso, I think it tried to ride more on the Unicorn "nostalgia" than on the UC nostalgia (that's the mission left to Hathaway) @Daniel_Naumov What follows supposedly has nothing to do with that kind of "Fukui-shy" thing, it should be more "Tomino-esque" (if they have the courage to keep it so). June 4, 2019 @WindH20 But "explaining NT" should not even be thought about, it's a concept that was made in order to explain some elements in the initial show and used as a "metaphor" for ideas/ideals that the author wanted to illustrate. It's not some grounded element made out of pseudo-science like colonies, Sides, etc. In the end, it would be like trying to "explain" the Force and come up with The Phantom Menace. Somali_Strawhat said: I just finished reading the first chapter of Moon Gundam. I can't believe that he made a manga about some hillarious zany ZZ adventure, and fleshed it out into its own branching story. Like, as if anyone was concerned about the space Aztecs lore lmfao wtf. Goddamn it, how did Fukui get this role? Someone explain it please! Fukui seems to be popular with his "technology" and military-based novels and became a very attractive name to "revitalize" old stories (the remake or readaptation of the story where a JSDF squadron is lost in the XVIth century for example, or Harlock, a character and type of story that he absolutely didn't understand, etc) https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1593790/ Since you like Tomino's Gundam and the way the man conveyed its ideas through his stories and world, you'll be delighted to learn that the Gundamaniac Fukui adapted Turn A into a novel (if I remember well). Out of curiosity, did you appreciate Zeta , where the teenagers soap-opera and the NT magic exploded, and ZZ? (what about Char's magnificent movie?) I'm asking because I can't get an idea through your absence of marks. |
Rei_IIIJun 4, 2019 2:55 AM
Daniel_Naumov said: Seiya0890 said: Characters were just bad, especially dat Zoltan... (why would he shoot in the colony really ? Clearly felt it was for the plot...) And bad idea to put so much importance on a dead heroine, and flashbacks. But it still has some potential, depending on how MC matured. I guess the vast majority of viewers seeing this film MUST have knowledge about the previous entries. It was not clearly stated why Zoltan was as unhinged as he was, but him saying "I AM NOT A FAILURE" about ten times should hint that he was considered... a failure. More precisely, he was a "failed" Char's clone that, due to his origin and treatment, became cruel, uncontrolable and frankly mad. You ask why would a mad person shoot inside the colony? I ask, why wouldn't he? To be honest the question you ask signals a sub-optimal understanding of the film. There are no bad questions, but some questions can be easily answered by oneself if the matter is thoroughly examined. Even though this time it was on the surface, really.. Please, "I am mad, I know it is bad to shoot inside the colony, I was told not to, and yet I will do it with a smile to prove I am not a failure". After that " Damn I failed, gotta kill one of the only girl of the show and run ..." (he could have just run away though, without taking the risk of being shot by her who only followed her orders) Spare me the "sub-optimal understanding of the film", it was clearly forceful and bad written. |
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Daniel_Naumov said: Seiya0890 said: Please, "I am mad, I know it is bad to shoot inside the colony, I was told not to, and yet I will do it with a smile to prove I am not a failure". After that " Damn I failed, gotta kill one of the only girl of the show and run ..." (he could have just run away though, without taking the risk of being shot by her who only followed her orders) Spare me the "sub-optimal understanding of the film", it was clearly forceful and bad written. I guess you lack knowledge of how thing happen in "real" world, on this planet of ours. Especially in terms with insanity and following orders. Maybe one day, then. Classic "run away" argument. But I will stop here too, it feels like arguing with you would be pointless anyway. |
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| This was honestly so..mediocre. I don:t even get the point of this existing, the story is a mess and the characters were so generic and boring.. The whole thing felt like a generic Mech anime not a Gundam movie. Only thing I enjoyed was the music and seeing Banagher again. Very average but I am gonna be bias and give it a 7/10. |
Daniel_Naumov said: I guess you lack knowledge of how thing happen in "real" world, on this planet of ours. Especially in terms with insanity and following orders. Maybe one day, then. I'm sorry to tell you this man, but this is a work of fiction. I know this is one oc the progenitors of "real robot" scifi, and contains a gripping narrative that is more centered around concepts similar to our world (horrors of war, corruption in chains of command etc.) but sci fi stands for science FICTION. And the job of FICTION isn't to emulate REALITY. Otherwise Gundam would be a documentary. But to not stray too far from my point here, fiction's job isn't to capture reality, because reality is random as shit. Fiction's job, and drama's job as a whole, is to convey a STORY. Stories have a point. Reality doesn't have to, or is injected with one from those who have to live through it. Many people thought Tomino was a mad man for using kid toys to make a anti war message as over the head and straight forward as he did. Every character (with minor exceptions) all served to convey his point. Every conflict served to convey this point. War is chaotic in real life, but in Gundam, it's the illusion of chaos to tell a STORY. Char's rise to become the Red Comet is Shakesperian in its revenge plot, Amuro talks to spirits of dead people to overcome loss, and most people who get tasked to work on this series ends up following this formula with their own voice inserted. But the lore, the characters, the setting, NONE OF IT WAS RANDOM. Its just the ILLUSION OF REALITY. Now, knowing this...WHAT WAS THE POINT OF GUNDAM NT. And more specifically, WHAT WAS THE POINT OF ZOLTAN SPAZZING OUT. He's a failed clone of Char? Cool, how does that fit into the whole narrative (no pun intended)? And this is what I dislike as a whole about this movie. Its so fan service first, plot second if at all. You want Unicorn? You got it. You want a throwback to old Gundam characters? You got it. Oh snap, what about the first colony drop? Lets try and find a way to fit that into the movie too! This movie felt like it wanted to tie everything together, and it just failed...evrywhere. I don't mind spectacle, Thunderbolt is constant spectacle, but it shouldn't make the entire movie incoherent. Zoltan shooting an entire colony was some cool animation, but was just so jarringly out of place. Rant over |
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Rei366 said: @Somali_Strawhat Everything by Fukui is magically green-lighted. (the guy got to realize his dream of making a Moon² story, even though they allow only a manga) Just imagine him adapting Tomino's novel... (ahahahaha...) ALso, I think it tried to ride more on the Unicorn "nostalgia" than on the UC nostalgia (that's the mission left to Hathaway) Oh, I 100% know that much of my hype for Hathaway's Flash comes from UC (and especially Tomino UC) nostalgia. But I think this story in particular can rise above the blatant pandering...hopefully. But I just finished reading the first chapter of Moon Gundam. I can't believe that he made a manga about some hillarious zany ZZ adventure, and fleshed it out into its own branching story. Like, as if anyone was concerned about the space Aztecs lore lmfao wtf. Goddamn it, how did Fukui get this role? Someone explain it please! |
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IIRC Lalah was from Texas Colony, Side 5 (Loum). Her profile on the gundam wiki shows that Char saved her from an Indian Brothel, but I'm not sure if that's from India the country on earth, or Indian ethnically on Side 5. It's been a while since I watched MSG, but I'm pretty sure she's a spacenoid unless my memory is failing me https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/Lalah_Sun |
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Mekno said: llamathrust109 said: IIRC Lalah was from Texas Colony, Side 5 (Loum). Her profile on the gundam wiki shows that Char saved her from an Indian Brothel, but I'm not sure if that's from India the country on earth, or Indian ethnically on Side 5. It's been a while since I watched MSG, but I'm pretty sure she's a spacenoid unless my memory is failing me https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/Lalah_Sun What's Gundam The Origin based off of? They seem to portray Lalah and her family to be from India (Earth). Gundam The Origin's anime is a retelling of the events leading up to 0079, and the manga its based on is also a retelling of 0079 itself. But, that's a good point, I do vaguely remember that but I'll have to rewatch that part of the OVA. The Origin may or may not be canon depending on who you talk to. |
owarida6Jun 27, 2019 9:19 AM
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| A girl runs. Two boys follow. She grabs them. Dat colony. UC 0079. Dat colony. Yuki and Fang-Li. *sniff* New Hong Kong. In case you mistook it for New Zealand. UC 0097. Oh. Michele is a girl. So one boy and one girl follow. Miracle Children? Unicorn. Jona is 25. North America, Colorado Mountain Region. In case you mistook it for North Dakota, California Mountain Region. Jona is inside. Damn. Got stepped on. 3rd brother? Phenex? Side 4 Vicinity, Shoal Zone. In case you mistook it for Si Phenex. Dat beam. A Gundam? Narrative. Roll credits. Newtype. Mineva! It was okay. Nice to see Banagher and Mineva again. |
| If you see that my post is exactly 1 month old (or more) from when it was posted... Don't waste your time, especially when you want to reply with something petty & insignificant. Assume that I've moved on (because I have). |
| Just finished watching it. The story feels like a fanfiction written by a 15 year old. Other than that the ost is amazing as usual and the visuals are great. |
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