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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- First half of this episode didn't impress me much with all the talking. However, the episode does offer more action in the air between the pilots. We got more aerial dogfights with focus on the movements and evasive strategies. It felt pretty similar in style compared to the first episode. I'm guessing the battles will all look similar in ways. |
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| Well it's clear that two of the characters like each other so much that they are only arguing. Anyway it seems there is some nice rivalry going on on several levels. And the dog fight this time was nice as well. Kirie still has a lot to learn tho judging from her flying. |
Stark700 said: ---------------------------------------- First half of this episode didn't impress me much with all the talking. However, the episode does offer more action in the air between the pilots. We got more aerial dogfights with focus on the movements and evasive strategies. It felt pretty similar in style compared to the first episode. I'm guessing the battles will all look similar in ways. The talking actually made me more interested in the world so I didn't mind in the end. I'm looking forward to future episodes. |
| She is stealing her men but the one she really wants to steal is "Loulou". Its was ok but More fight, less talk next time. The sound during it is truly great. I need better headphones. |
| This is still pretty good, I'm surprised myself at how much I'm liking this. Love the dynamic between the girls, Kylie best girl. The tail fighting is quite cool to watch and the premise does seem pretty interesting despite not having gotten too much exposition yet. Julia should be more honest with herself. I would totally ship her and Loulou. xD |
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Humm the Hayabusa KI 43-I  Vesus  the Heinkel He 112 |
| I really like how much they were able to expound on their world in this episode, without it feeling unnatural. This is legitimately great stuff, and a ton of fun. |
| Surprisingly enjoyable episode, definitely a step up from the first one for me. |
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possible...but they were not Heinkel He 112's they were KI-61 Hiens. There is a difference as the Hiens could not usually keep up max speed due to engine difficulties. I will call BS on a Hien going down after a few .303 rounds hit them, they were fairly well armored for the time. Looks like this show is trying to stay with all Japanese planes so far. |
| Good episode but I don't know, Kirie is tiresome. For a genki girl she's super tetchy. I guess since they go so quickly over with the dialogue it feels kind of episodic though it's porbably not. Let's see how this goes next week. |
EratiKJan 20, 2019 10:20 AM
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| Overall rather liked it, but wow were a lot of the earlier scenes cut together fast. I don't mind the talking inherently, and to an extent the fast-paced banter between the colleagues works well since they're familiar with each other, but it would also cut really fast between largely unrelated scenes making it a little difficult to follow at points. Thankfully the dogfights are still great and well done, and while it was a tad clumsy, they were introducing a fair number of ideas about the world in this episode, so my guess is we'll get a better scope of things to come. We'll see, for now I'm mostly staying for the dogfights and the occasional great line. |
| You have shit taste, and then I have taste so shit it makes your taste look good |
| Decent episode. I liked the world building that was featured here and once again the dogfight was done really well, especially with the sound and cinematography, but I will agree that those Hiens wouldn't have gotten shot down so easily. However, I fear that this anime biggest downfall is its forced in feminist BS. Every male character we've seen is portrayed as some kind of incompetent or sexist idiot(every though this show tries its very best to mask it) and the girls always come out on top no matter the odds. In addition, both Kylie and Chika are really starting to annoy me with their childish behavior, from their temper tantrums to them trying to stick their nose into everyone's business. But I guess that's just the way it's going to be in this anime. A shame really but I love WW2 planes too much to even consider dropping this so I'll keep watching for the sake of it, especially for the dogfights. |
| "You talk too much. Think too much." "I don't care how justified you think your reasons are. I won't tolerate liars or thieves." "If you're not going to be nice to me, don't expect me to be nice to you." "I'm a soldier, not a superhero. Don't ever think of me as one." "The world doesn't revolve around you. Get that through your thick skull." "People who live by their emotions go nowhere in their lives. They only find misery. "If you don't like the way your life is than do something about it instead of sitting there feeling sorry for yourself." "You want something go get it. Period." |
| These girls definitely don't mind getting into arguments and fights, Chika even fighting with crutches, all the girls seem to have fighting ability, maybe they all learned some kind of martial arts. Ah god what a woman they have to protect lol, I definitely feel sorry for the captain. Interesting how the enemy has advanced aircraft and good tactics, maybe someone rich who has a grudge against Julia I was also impressed by the teamwork of Kylia & Chika. Ha ha take that you stuck up lady, she was obviously impressed by the performance by the disgusted look on her face, she left the room pretty quickly. |
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commander31able said: and again, the little girl squadron defeated veteran pilots in better aircraft. how? because the veteran pilots suddenly stopped doing veteran pilot things just as it was convenient. how the hell do they keep hitting enemy planes in the wing roots? this isn't Girls und Panzer, where it's established from the beginning that they're play-fighting - people are supposed to die in this world. even if a guy doesn't get ripped up by machine gun fire during the dogfight, he'll die in the fall or die of thirst in that desert they were flying over, because no hints at any CSAR capabilities have been made. this is like reading fanfiction where the protagonist is the best because the author says so and without any explanation or justification. I can understand some of this. I agree with constant engine hits and penetrating fuel tank shots from the girls being a little over the top, but they are "aces". However better aircraft? lets see Speed: KI-43 vs KI-61: KI-43 the 61 suffered engine problems as an inline liquid cooled engine..but supposing they were working fine, its still only a 30mph difference Power to weight: The KI-43 was able to accelerate faster than the KI-61 Armament: KI-43 2x .303 (500 rnds each) - I am assuming from the crack made in the episode about them being pea shooters. KI-61 2x .50 cal (250 rnds each), possibly 2x 20mm (120 rnds each) Armor: KI-43 none, KI-61 6mm plating, self-sealing tanks, pilot armor, 15mm thick canopies Climb Rate: KI-43 60' per second, KI-61 40' per second In dog fights big is not better really, in my studies of WW2 battles the lighter planes usually outmatched the heaver unless the engines were drastically overpowered or a dive attack took place. I honestly don't think that 5 KI-43 could defeat 30 KI-61 unless the skill levels were outlandish, but the girls are suppose to be aces, and have obviously been flying these planes a while, while the pirates could have just obtained the KI-61 and not known about their weaknesses. |
| Why the hell are they typing the names in all caps? |
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| Think I'd prefer it all be shit cg than the inconsistent switching. |
| Sieg Zeon! |
commander31able said: I don't think it has anything to do with feminsim - it's lazy writing. it's a lot easier to write incompetent opponents and make the heroes look good by being comparatively competent. the captain is just a walking trope, a poorly-written one at that. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheSlacker Well, it's more like pandering to certain target audience than lazy writing. In terms of incompetent opponents, I have no issue with that since it's a very common thing in comic book hero style stories. It's when you start pushing in modern day political and social issues that bears no relevance to the overall story that it becomes an issue because very few people are watching these shows for that kind of thing. I don't mind having a female majority cast, but I don't like it when they're used in a way that makes them look superior to all male characters, both allies and enemies. |
| "You talk too much. Think too much." "I don't care how justified you think your reasons are. I won't tolerate liars or thieves." "If you're not going to be nice to me, don't expect me to be nice to you." "I'm a soldier, not a superhero. Don't ever think of me as one." "The world doesn't revolve around you. Get that through your thick skull." "People who live by their emotions go nowhere in their lives. They only find misery. "If you don't like the way your life is than do something about it instead of sitting there feeling sorry for yourself." "You want something go get it. Period." |
| still utterly bored with it.. seems like any new characters are doomed to be shot down too but i guess two of them made it out this episode |
| I'm amazed at how utterly mediocre this anime is. I had my misgivings after the first episode, but I've lost faith that this anime will actually turn out good. It's remarkable to see an anime struggle so much when it has a direct with legitimate accomplishments under his belt. Does anyone actually like any of the main characters at this point? The heavy focusing on dogfights means there is very little time to actually work with the characters, so they are all pretty much defined by their limited interactions over food. However, this anime decided to include a politician lady who took all the oxygen out of the room. She is a more defined character than any of the main characters, especially when the developmental point in this episode was how two of them can fly in sync because reasons. The fights have no weigh to them. Both fights start with allied veteran pilots getting decimated in seconds, and the main characters swoop in and win the day without any casualties. The anime equated that getting shot down equals death in the first episode, so that removes the best way to help build tension in the battles; their plot armor is too strong. The battles also lack any sense of space. planes just appear on screen and shoot the other plane. There is no real explanation on how those planes ended up in those positions, so the positioning game that makes up dogfights is lost.I would be perfectly fine with the girls killing everyone with ease if this anime actually showed them doing it through proper maneuvering. Explaining the tactics would help in this situation. The world is actually pretty interesting and I want to know more about it. The world-building techniques used in this episode were incredibly entertaining and creative. Unfortunately, world-building doesn't matter unless the characters and story are at least passable. |
commander31able said: the technical specs do favour the Ki-61 beginning their attack from further away, if, as you say, their manoeuvrability and speed aren't that different then armament would make the difference. but they didn't do that. because if they had the Kotobuki squadron would be eating sand in 15 seconds. also, the disparity in the number of combatants is nuts. in Sky Crawlers, the protagonist is an ace but neither he nor his squadron ever go up against insane odds like these. I also forgot to mention that since there are two airships, both presumably with radar, that technique of flying in-line wouldn't work. Actually I was trying to point out that the KI-43's are more maneuverable overall. As far armaments the KI-43's have twice the usable dog-fight rounds than the 61's, as you can forget trying to use a 20mm aircraft cannon (in WW2) trying to hit another aircraft. What is BS is every round the heroines fired happened to hit a critical part of the opponents plane, when they are pretty solid-built for Japanese fighters. I also find it funny that the girls are flying 43's which is documented as being so easy to fly you could do it in your sleep, and the stall speed so low (just under 65 mph) you could fly one at 1/4 throttle in a 15mph headwind. |
commander31able said: I went over my Completed list looking for examples of all-female leads and competent male characters and I find that I ought to agree with you, but I can't. I genuinely believe this to be a case of lazy writing rather than an attempt at pandering - this show is made for guys, I presume, who cream their pants over the technical details of the aircraft and their performance. so little thought is given to the reason why any of those aircraft go on screen that it results in the most effortless character writing I've ever seen. each girl follows a well-established trope to the letter, and everybody claims to be aces but no actual evidence is shown of this (victories against idiots don't count). Oh, no. I agree with with you entirely. The feminist thing is more prevalent in harem anime where the MC is often a complete idiot when it comes to dealing with women. This anime is trying to appeal to males and aviation fans like myself but so far it hasn't done a very good job at it with the way it's written. As of now we don't now how many episode this anime will have(it will most likely be one cour) so you never know. Maybe this anime will get surprisingly better as it goes on. Or maybe it won't. So far it hasn't gone entirely feminist agenda... yet, and I hope it stays that way. I may be speaking too early but with when writers decide to go on a certain direction with the story they're more than unlikely to change it halfway. |
| "You talk too much. Think too much." "I don't care how justified you think your reasons are. I won't tolerate liars or thieves." "If you're not going to be nice to me, don't expect me to be nice to you." "I'm a soldier, not a superhero. Don't ever think of me as one." "The world doesn't revolve around you. Get that through your thick skull." "People who live by their emotions go nowhere in their lives. They only find misery. "If you don't like the way your life is than do something about it instead of sitting there feeling sorry for yourself." "You want something go get it. Period." |
| It is the switch between CG and Drawn style that is messing me up the most, not the actual boring parts of it. |
| Chika and Julia are really obnoxious IMHO, I didn't enjoy watching them and this made me less attentive to the episode. |
How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb --- Dr Strangelove  |
| Very fast paced dialogue once again. It can make it slightly hard to follow especially when it cuts between scenes. Still there was some good world building through it all. Seems we are in some kinda post depression maybe with talk of abandoned towns and towns that have nothing of value left in them. Seems as tho transportation between towns and such is quite difficult considering they have to escort some big politician by blimp. One would think there is a lack of roads, train tracks etc. Considering how likely it is to get attacked when flying by blimp it should not be the first choice. They can't even ride some form of passenger plane which would obviously be quicker. But obviously the pirates are a huge point of contention in this area as Julia wanted to pass a bill to allow them to integrate into society easier. I wonder if the story will go in this kinda direction. Once again the sound design was stellar during the air fights and I love the use of creative cgi camera angles. Oh btw that op is a banger. |
DirectorK said: Like I tried to say above, a derogatory representation of male has nothing to do with feminism (which is about equality), especially in harems when it's clearly a lowest common denominator thing so the audience can self-insert more easily (moreso in Japan where they are unbelievably dense when it comes to the opposite sex), you should really stop calling it feminism, it's confusing. I think the word you're looking for is sexist. The feminist thing is more prevalent in harem anime where the MC is often a complete idiot when it comes to dealing with women. |
EratiKJan 21, 2019 9:54 AM
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| So it's 30+ pirates vs. 10+ planes of the girls and the escorts. Amazing skills to be able to handle that many. :) I just hope they do not delve too much on this bickering between team mates thing. I had enough of that watching Sora to Umi no Aida. |
| Why is the dialogue so stupidly fast-paced? And why in the subs are the names of all the characters capitalized? The fuck? This series...not sure how to feel about it at this point other than the animation gives me Bubuki/Buranki vibes (except that series was actually worth watching). |
| Don't believe the hype. |
| The fast-paced dialogue is a good trick. I spend so much time reading the subs that I don't have time to notice the CG characters. |
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rastill said: possible...but they were not Heinkel He 112's they were KI-61 Hiens. There is a difference as the Hiens could not usually keep up max speed due to engine difficulties. I will call BS on a Hien going down after a few .303 rounds hit them, they were fairly well armored for the time. Looks like this show is trying to stay with all Japanese planes so far.  Oh this Hien, I thought it's the German kind. |
EratiK said: DirectorK said: Like I tried to say above, a derogatory representation of male has nothing to do with feminism (which is about equality), especially in harems when it's clearly a lowest common denominator thing so the audience can self-insert more easily (moreso in Japan where they are unbelievably dense when it comes to the opposite sex), you should really stop calling it feminism, it's confusing. I think the word you're looking for is sexist. The feminist thing is more prevalent in harem anime where the MC is often a complete idiot when it comes to dealing with women. And you need reread what commander said to you. If you really think modern day feminism is about equality than you are completely naive about it. And sexist is the one word they love to use all the time. Sorry, my friend, but you're the one who's confused. Not me. |
| "You talk too much. Think too much." "I don't care how justified you think your reasons are. I won't tolerate liars or thieves." "If you're not going to be nice to me, don't expect me to be nice to you." "I'm a soldier, not a superhero. Don't ever think of me as one." "The world doesn't revolve around you. Get that through your thick skull." "People who live by their emotions go nowhere in their lives. They only find misery. "If you don't like the way your life is than do something about it instead of sitting there feeling sorry for yourself." "You want something go get it. Period." |
| @DirectorK Your so called "modern day feminism" doesn't exist outside of american social media. Meanhile in the real world, real women just want equality of rights and treatment. But if you want to keep saying inane things like this anime and harems are feminist propaganda, be my guest, carry on. |
EratiKJan 21, 2019 10:30 AM
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EratiK said: Your so called "modern day feminism" doesn't exist outside of american social media. Does Sweden ring a bell to you? Meanhile in the real world, real women just want equality of rights and treatment. Like Sweden? If we were talking about the Middle East and certain parts of Africa where women really are treated badly than I would agree with you. But if you want to keep saying inane things like this anime and harems are feminist propaganda, be my guest, carry on. If I really thought that way then I wouldn't be here right here now, let alone be an anime fan, would I? And if I really thought that way than I wouldn't be a fan of Sailor Moon or High School DxD or even visual novels for that matter. Sorry, but your argument doesn't carry any weight. |
| "You talk too much. Think too much." "I don't care how justified you think your reasons are. I won't tolerate liars or thieves." "If you're not going to be nice to me, don't expect me to be nice to you." "I'm a soldier, not a superhero. Don't ever think of me as one." "The world doesn't revolve around you. Get that through your thick skull." "People who live by their emotions go nowhere in their lives. They only find misery. "If you don't like the way your life is than do something about it instead of sitting there feeling sorry for yourself." "You want something go get it. Period." |
| For me, the dialogue is really pedantic and annoying... And the subs for it go by way to quickly. I kept having to dial the episode back to catch what I missed. Apart from that, it’s okay so far. But, the resolution of this episode specifically felt rushed, to me. |
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| After a review of this episode I have quickly summed up some of the good and bad points that have been bugging me. 1. The MC's are only really interesting when they are flying, on the ground they don't contribute much to the story, just my opinion. 2. Despite the MC's having manual sights, they must have a FCC that allows them to constantly hit wield seams or engine vents....or according to my physics they are firing .303 titanium APFSDS HE rounds. 3. The best dialog was between the counselor and the airship captain. I also like the fact that there is a political schism over a party that wants to employ ex-pirates and one that does not. 4. At least the show acknowledges that getting shot down does not equal death. The airship captain orders rescue parties to be sent for any surviving pirates that were shot down during this episode. I hope that the show does not continue to go bigger waves, better planes vs. MC's per episode or it will start to get old soon. it needs to focus on world-building and realistic tactics IMHO. |
| Good worldbuilding I'd say and love the ending song. |
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| Another cool intense dogfight episode! looks like Kirie & Chika would be rival teammates! 4/5. |
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EratiK said: @DirectorK Your so called "modern day feminism" doesn't exist outside of american social media. Meanhile in the real world, real women just want equality of rights and treatment. But if you want to keep saying inane things like this anime and harems are feminist propaganda, be my guest, carry on. You are completely clueless if you truly think this. Yes sure, 1960's feminism was all about equality of rights. Modern day feminism went far past that. Women already have equal rights and opportunities in all western countries, and beyond that to a point where they have more than men. Saying that it only exists in american social media is absurd and completely naive. American news, culture and science has a huge impact and influence on all western countries, and it has already taken dramatic proportions in the UK and Sweden amongst some countries. This includes my country Holland where I start noticing symptoms, and when I visited Japan there were also small signs. It is completely 'cool' and hipster to be gay in Japan right now, even if you are actually heterosexual. For young men in japan its stylish to wear more makeup then women, and that was painfully clear when I visited some of the hipper parts in Tokyo. Look I am all for my heroines in my anime, in fact most of my highest rated animes have strong female characters. But this anime is complete male bashing at its finest, and its disgusting, and if you do not see this you are besides naive and clueless also very very blind. |
| @Fluxje I know it's hard to follow since I'm trying to explain a somewhat nuanced point of view, but I never said this anime isn't male bashing, I even said it was sexist. All I said was sexism has nothing to do with feminism in the general understanding of the word in everyday life. The so called "third wave feminism" is a thing of social media not even feminists agree on. But everyday you see women asking for equality of pay, and for stop being sexually harrassed at work, that's real feminism. And so this anime is basically fetish pandering, to submissive otakus that want cocky girls that kick ass. The producers want to sell the anime so they target the audience, they couldn't care less about feminism. Pandering to the audience (especially in harems since it's an example that was used) is also a thing that dates back to the 90s (with Love-Hina, Tenchi-muyo, etc) and it has nothing to do with feminism. People have been watching the same thing for decades and suddenly people see feminism everywhere. But it's not because there's actual feminism in it, it's because their use of the word has been corrupted by third-parties. And I won't be a part of turning relevant language into meaningless buzzwords just because you feel opressed when browsing the internet. Also see how with an unclear definition you jumped right into the current overly feminime men trend in Asia (specifically Japan and Korea). And once again, sorry to break it to you but this has nothing to do with feminism. It actually comes from an overcompensation of the masculine man trend during the 80s-90s, a steretoype which has somewhat always been associated with homosexuality there. So paradoxically, to show your heterosexuality you become super stylish and unmuscular. It's a trend 30 years old. Plus Japan and Korea are some of the most mysoginistic countries in their mindset, so I can assure you it's not what you're calling feminism that causes faggy youngsters. |
EratiKJan 24, 2019 1:14 AM
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