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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Training camp huh? It's about time that the student council actually got together for that. At least they didn't have any problems in the end. Seems there's some fan service with the baths this episode heh. However, the bottomline is that the student council were able to bond together more and I think that was important. Touko and Sayaka even manages to grow closer together somewhat more. |
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| Nice atmosphere when Touko and Sayaka talk about Mio. |
| Great development. Touko's desire to become her sister is not healthy, I hoped she'd realise this somehow. And the way she started questioning her obsession was done pretty neat considering the almost parallel story they do for a play. |
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| I must say, I loooooooove the twist in this episode. Nanami want to be like her sister but she learns in this episode that she was the whole time off track. Time for her to learn to be a slacker :) That's also great because, even though I thought first that Nanami is the main role in Koyomi's story, she could be also just the family member and her sister being the main protagonist. So what now ? Will we have more revelations about the big sister ? Since I had a hard time with Nanami's obsession over becoming the latter, seeing her goal being partially destroyed made me happy. Furthermore we have Koyomi saying she doesn't know if the ending is right, so maybe she'll change and we'll have an ending with the nurse ? It would be fun and I ship it of course. Last be not least, the humor in this episode was great : the reason Sayaka evoked to go to the bath, the three of them thinking "good that we are three in this room", and the 2nd boy of the council being all-the-time and for everything out of the loop. It's my favorite episode so far even though for the protagonists sadness might be the prevalent mood in the end. |
| "Although you're her sister, you don't seem very similar to Mio at all." Ouch. Well, it's for the better that Touko realizes that she can't be like her sister or rather that she was different than the thought. Wonder what Yuu was thinking at the end. |
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| I think the teacher sensed it was going to end badly, so she sent them to sleep. |
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| I'm liking the plot development in this episode. Touko's obsession of trying to become her sister was already unhealthy, but Ichigaya had a completely different view of what Touko's sister was like at school. His blunt honesty about Touko and Mio being completely different personality-wise must've been a dagger through Touko's heart. With this on her mind, I now hope that she'll stop trying to become like her sister and just be herself. The rest of the episode had plenty of nice moments, with Dojima being really amusing with questioning the love life of Ichigaya and Riko, and also the surprise fanservice scene with Yuu, Touko and Sayaka stripping off their clothes before heading into the baths. Koyomi's not convinced about the ending of her script and I don't blame here for it. She's really passionate about writing a good story and the dilemma of wanting an ending that the audience will like can be tricky. Whether she sticks to the ending she originally chose or changes it later on, I'm sure that she'll make the right choice that works for her and the student council members as well. I do wonder what was on Yuu's mind at the end of the episode as she looked at Touko and Sayaka. I guess we'll find out next time. =) |
| Great episode. All the scenes with Touko, Yuu and Sayaka were fantastic, very well directed and extremely bittersweet. I find it amusing that this episode is called the centroid of a triangle. xD I hope what Ichigaya said helps Touko realize that she'll never be her sister. The final scene with Sayaka and Touko was really nice. :) |
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| That conversation is going to be so important for Nanami. |
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| Someone needs to tell Ichigaya-san that you're supposed to only speak well of the dead (in particular when speaking to a relative). Good thing, though, maybe Touko can finally let go of this idea of becoming her sister. This entire episode was so super cute, especially all the antics taking place in the dorm ^^ |
| Touko is depressed huh. |
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| The bath scene and sleeping scene were so relatable that I had to pause and laugh. Touko tried so hard to be like her older sister, but it seems she became something completely different from her. She must feel like everything she's done till now has completely gone to waste. I feel bad for her, but I also think she needed to hear that. Maki and Doujima finally managed to agree on something. lmao! Although, if I was the teacher, I'd probably be terrified. I had been feeling bad for Sayaka as Touko doesn't completely trust her. This episode, they finally managed to talk. I really love it. Yuu blushed when she saw Nanami stripping. lol. I didn't think she was capable of blushing. I really like Tomoyuki. He seems nice. I love how Doujima pays attention to nothing, and always ends up getting surprised. The scene where they were taking pictures was adorable. This is the first anime I have seen where the guy who doesn't want to sneak into the girls' room wins. |
| Ah, I'm loving this adaptation it has all the feelings the manga has that makes me love it. Mattinator95 said: the one chapter episode a few episodes ago and the 3 chapter episode last episode has made me wonder if episode 12 will be 1 chapter as its the end of vol 4 or will it be 2 if its 1 then episode 13 will mostly likely be 2 and end on chapter 24 I personally think they might cramp the 5th volume nex episode or just not adapt, it even seems they are focusing a lot on the play to not adapt it, but yeah I can also see them not doing it. |
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| Sayaka was almost crossing the line there but Touko was fine with it. I wonder how the line can hold up with the feelings Sayaka are carrying and possibly Yuu’s feeling. |
| That last scene between Touko and Sayaka was very nice but I'm starting to get some "netorare"(for lack of a better word) vibes from this show. |
| Good for Koito-san that Sayaka is there in the room. It probably would have been another french kiss scene if Sayaka was not there. Nanami herself said it would have been "dangerous". XD Important piece of the story that that former classmate of her sister was invited as an advisor. Nanami learned some secret things about her sis. |
| Only two episodes left... This show is so good that it is the very best moment of the week when it comes out. This last episode was amazing, super enjoyable from the first minute to the 24th (the 25th? However long the episodes are). It will be so very depressing when this is over :( |
| Training camp and bath scene, this sure is a blessing. Nanami being adorable in the bath.. wanting to make a move but can't cause Sayaka is there with her. Sayaka in glasses though <3 All 3 of them agreed on something, if there wasn't a third girl, it would have gotten out of hand XD More information on Nanami's sister. That former classmate of her sister really said something Nanami didn't want to hear... That she is far from the person her sister used to be. |
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| Oh, so Touko's "perfect" sister wasn't even near as "perfect" as Touko thought she was. That was unexpected, being honest but it was a nice twist nevertheless. So basically, this revelation makes Touko's obsession of becoming her, quite pointless... and obviously, she is totally lost about what to do now, which is really sad. I guess for her, it's like losing the main goal of her life so I can understand her distress. But the thing I would like to know is why Mio did that in the first place since even her family thought she was perfect. I guess it might have been due to family pressure of being the older sister or so, I'm not really sure. That aside, It was a very good episode. The way they portrayed Touko's state after the talk with Ichigaya was nicely done, her uncertainty was almost palpable. And the talk between her and Sayaka at the end was nice too although I could feel a bit of distance between them. Unfortunately for Sayaka, it seems she will never be as close to Touko as she would like to be. All in all, I'm looking forward to seeing how this anime will conclude. And since Touko has been receiving a major focus in these last episodes, I wonder if Yuu realizing her true feelings towards her will be a thing or not... I guess not since probably, it will conclude with Touko struggling with the dilemma of what to do now that she knows about her sister's true self and finally deciding to live by her own. But well, even so, I can't wait to see what will happen in these last two eps. |
| in some ways I'm pretty confused on how I didn't see that twist coming haha. I kept thinking they had to hit the drama hard eventually with yuu confronting her but then they give this to shake up Touko. In some ways i like this, in other ways I don't, mainly cause i kinda wanted that harsh confrontation, as I relate more to the idea of specifically talking through the relationship...But I'd be lying if this probably isn't going to make it much easier. Cause perhaps in the end, touko needed this to realize her issues, as even Yuu wouldn't be able to get her to listen alone. And that's okay, Life experiences can do this to people. |
| Another great one. The bit with the three girls getting in the bath and then later going to sleep was a lot of fun. I like the comedy moments they are able to throw in. Touko received quite the blow this episode as well. She's just found out that the sister she knew was nothing like she actually was. Typically not really a big deal, but considering Touko has been basing her entire person on what she thought her sister was like, I can't even imagine how that would feel. It's actually kind of ironic how Touko created a persona of what was actually a persona her sister was keeping up. I'm very curious to how this will affect Touko moving forward. It's clear Riko-sensei's friend didn't agree to do this just to shatter Touko's ideal. He had no idea. I'd say he just wanted to check on Touko to see how she's doing. Sharing memories of what Mio (I think that was her name) was like when with her friends would probably be something a younger sister would enjoy hearing in a typical circumstance. This is the show that just keeps on giving. |
| In this episode we saw Yuu doing absolutely nothing about her love and sayaka slowly doing her move . Serves her right ! |
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| And now Touko's confused because according to Ichigaya Tomoyuki, Touko's big sis Mio is nothing alike Touko herself! Looks like Sayaka's content for now...Koito's just observing huh... 4/5. |
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| I'm at the point now where I'm starting to be very disappointed by this show. It's definitely no Citrus or anything, not even Aoi Hana. I don't feel that passion between the two characters. One girl knows she's a lesbian, another girl doesn't know the lesbian loves her and loves a girl who won't love her. (sigh) Give me a fucking break! I know we're supposed to be pure but are we really supposed to be this pure? I mean Japan, queer is a real thing, stop trying to make straight happen all the time. Girls can love each other. We're still at this level in this day and age where girls, if they have feelings for each other, better keep it hidden from everyone else and their friends because it's so embarrassing? What is with Japan and no-sex? Especially in high school. Fuck, I need a good manhwa, somebody give me a good manhwa right now! |
DarkInsomnia57 said: I'm at the point now where I'm starting to be very disappointed by this show. It's definitely no Citrus or anything, not even Aoi Hana. I don't feel that passion between the two characters. One girl knows she's a lesbian, another girl doesn't know the lesbian loves her and loves a girl who won't love her. (sigh) Give me a fucking break! I know we're supposed to be pure but are we really supposed to be this pure? I mean Japan, queer is a real thing, stop trying to make straight happen all the time. Girls can love each other. We're still at this level in this day and age where girls, if they have feelings for each other, better keep it hidden from everyone else and their friends because it's so embarrassing? What is with Japan and no-sex? Especially in high school. Fuck, I need a good manhwa, somebody give me a good manhwa right now! Uh...what? This is a romantic character drama, it's not a simple girl-meets-girl-and-they-date story. If you want those, there are plenty of mangas with that premise. Just because this series deals with more introverted conflicts doesn't mean it's not passionate about it, and just because the girls are not just french kissing each other every episode doesn't mean it's not romantic. Homosexuality isn't even a primary issue in the two's relationship, I really don't get how you came to this conclusion. |
giraffemangome said: DarkInsomnia57 said: I'm at the point now where I'm starting to be very disappointed by this show. It's definitely no Citrus or anything, not even Aoi Hana. I don't feel that passion between the two characters. One girl knows she's a lesbian, another girl doesn't know the lesbian loves her and loves a girl who won't love her. (sigh) Give me a fucking break! I know we're supposed to be pure but are we really supposed to be this pure? I mean Japan, queer is a real thing, stop trying to make straight happen all the time. Girls can love each other. We're still at this level in this day and age where girls, if they have feelings for each other, better keep it hidden from everyone else and their friends because it's so embarrassing? What is with Japan and no-sex? Especially in high school. Fuck, I need a good manhwa, somebody give me a good manhwa right now! Uh...what? This is a romantic character drama, it's not a simple girl-meets-girl-and-they-date story. If you want those, there are plenty of mangas with that premise. Just because this series deals with more introverted conflicts doesn't mean it's not passionate about it, and just because the girls are not just french kissing each other every episode doesn't mean it's not romantic. Homosexuality isn't even a primary issue in the two's relationship, I really don't get how you came to this conclusion. What is a romantic character drama? Introverted conflicts hm? Homosexuality is THE primary issue in their relationship. You guys are dreaming in the sky. I realize they're a little bit introverted...but fricking it's like in Japanese drama EVERYONE is introverted, it's like part of their culture! It's all about being polite and never speaking up. They're an island of cat people. The 'we can't touch each other' thing, as convoluted as this author has made it, gets a little tiring sometimes. "I don't understand who I am and we just better not touch each other" "Oh good neither do I, I don't understand myself either" "Good thing we avoided that homo-ship because we're both confused" "Well I'm not talking to either of you because I don't understand how you don't understand that you both like the same gender, I'll just stew over here" Giving me those same NTR vibes. Mangaka in these things are coming up with these great walls to separate people. I still totally watch this show, it's just the invisible wall complex got to me a bit this time. |
DarkInsomnia57 said: What is a romantic character drama? Introverted conflicts hm? Homosexuality is THE primary issue in their relationship. You guys are dreaming in the sky. I realize they're a little bit introverted...but fricking it's like in Japanese drama EVERYONE is introverted, it's like part of their culture! It's all about being polite and never speaking up. They're an island of cat people. The 'we can't touch each other' thing, as convoluted as this author has made it, gets a little tiring sometimes. "I don't understand who I am and we just better not touch each other" "Oh good neither do I, I don't understand myself either" "Good thing we avoided that homo-ship because we're both confused" "Well I'm not talking to either of you because I don't understand how you don't understand that you both like the same gender, I'll just stew over here" Giving me those same NTR vibes. Mangaka in these things are coming up with these great walls to separate people. I still totally watch this show, it's just the invisible wall complex got to me a bit this time. You're absolutely wrong. Homosexuality is NOT the primary issue of their relationship, have you even watched the show? The conflict is their conflicting underlying goal of their relationship. Touko doesn't want to be loved and Yuu wants to love her that put them in a delicate position where Yuu can't show love or Touko will probably not like her anymore. If you don't believe me just try to replace Yuu with a boy in your head and see if the story would change. And your complain is just misdirected there are show that are just about the romantic fluff and there are other that bring out conflicts to make the character grow up. You are just watching one of the latter and it's one of the better one because it's not a bullshit someone got sick/someone got hit by a truck/someone is getting blackmailed kind of conflict. If you want romantic fluff there exist other stuff here, just don't expect this anime to be one since it has established itself as not one since the beginning. |
| Yes, you could be right. The purity PH got too high for me though and I'm allowed to show annoyance at it. Still going to finish watching this show and read the manga afterwards. Why does this girl not want this other girl to love her? Is it because that's a trait she can't associate with her sister? |
DarkInsomnia57 said: Yes, you could be right. The purity PH got too high for me though and I'm allowed to show annoyance at it. Still going to finish watching this show and read the manga afterwards. Why does this girl not want this other girl to love her? Is it because that's a trait she can't associate with her sister? It's because she think loves is a shackle. If she get loves she is shackled to the other person and that conflicts her. In the case the person who loves her loves her sister persona she adopted she will be forced to keep the act but at the same time the one they love is not her but her persona. In the case that the person loves her for who she really is(in this case Yuu) that would force her to keep being her real self that she loathe. In both case love shackles her and she doesn't like it, she prefers to use Yuu as a stress relief because she is lonely, she can be her real self and pour her love to Yuu without being afraid of Yuu loving her back and shackling her/putting more stress on her. That the essence of their relationship. Yuu uses Touko to learn how to love, Touko use Yuu to relieve her stress that her personna is causing her it's in no way a healthy relationship and that why Yuu is careful to not show her affection. That my interpretation of it at least. |
Thai777 said: DarkInsomnia57 said: Yes, you could be right. The purity PH got too high for me though and I'm allowed to show annoyance at it. Still going to finish watching this show and read the manga afterwards. Why does this girl not want this other girl to love her? Is it because that's a trait she can't associate with her sister? It's because she think loves is a shackle. If she get loves she is shackled to the other person and that conflicts her. In the case the person who loves her loves her sister persona she adopted she will be forced to keep the act but at the same time the one they love is not her but her persona. In the case that the person loves her for who she really is(in this case Yuu) that would force her to keep being her real self that she loathe. In both case love shackles her and she doesn't like it, she prefers to use Yuu as a stress relief because she is lonely, she can be her real self and pour her love to Yuu without being afraid of Yuu loving her back and shackling her/putting more stress on her. That the essence of their relationship. Yuu uses Touko to learn how to love, Touko use Yuu to relieve her stress that her personna is causing her it's in no way a healthy relationship and that why Yuu is careful to not show her affection. That my interpretation of it at least. O:> I had no idea! That's f#$&ing crazy! Thanks for your interpretation. The girls are basically using each other, so it's a toxic relationship. Wow. I've peaked ahead to the latest chapters but I still didn't know any of that. |
DarkInsomnia57 said: Thai777 said: It's because she think loves is a shackle. If she get loves she is shackled to the other person and that conflicts her. In the case the person who loves her loves her sister persona she adopted she will be forced to keep the act but at the same time the one they love is not her but her persona. In the case that the person loves her for who she really is(in this case Yuu) that would force her to keep being her real self that she loathe. In both case love shackles her and she doesn't like it, she prefers to use Yuu as a stress relief because she is lonely, she can be her real self and pour her love to Yuu without being afraid of Yuu loving her back and shackling her/putting more stress on her. That the essence of their relationship. Yuu uses Touko to learn how to love, Touko use Yuu to relieve her stress that her personna is causing her it's in no way a healthy relationship and that why Yuu is careful to not show her affection. That my interpretation of it at least. O:> I had no idea! That's f#$&ing crazy! Thanks for your interpretation. The girls are basically using each other, so it's a toxic relationship. Wow. I've peaked ahead to the latest chapters but I still didn't know any of that. Maybe you missed the after credit scene of episode 6? That really where it clicks together and you get to know what Nanami is truly thinking for the first time. |
Thai777 said: DarkInsomnia57 said: O:> I had no idea! That's f#$&ing crazy! Thanks for your interpretation. The girls are basically using each other, so it's a toxic relationship. Wow. I've peaked ahead to the latest chapters but I still didn't know any of that. Maybe you missed the after credit scene of episode 6? That really where it clicks together and you get to know what Nanami is truly thinking for the first time. I saw it, still didn't get any of that. I wonder how manga will solve this? |
DarkInsomnia57 said: Thai777 said: Maybe you missed the after credit scene of episode 6? That really where it clicks together and you get to know what Nanami is truly thinking for the first time. I saw it, still didn't get any of that. I wonder how manga will solve this? I'm wondering too, I've been waiting for the anime to finish to binge the manga. |
Yup, I've been waiting all year for that too. (: |
| I do not like Sayaka. I just don't like how she gets herself involved. Yuu needs to lay down the law already. Stand up for herself. |
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| Touko needs to be herself. |
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| So it turns out Touko is more perfect than her "perfect" sister, huh. I love this twist. Maybe she will chill a bit after learning this. Also I like that Sayaka and Touko had a little chat about the past, that Touko opened a bit to her. Not really bc of me shipping them, mostly for their friendship's sake. Touko should be honest with more people than only Yuu. |
| I feel bad for Touka about this new information she learned about her sister, although for now it seems to not have really affected her that bad, I'm interested to see how it affects her in the next two episodes. Maybe she'll have a breakdown... maybe nothing will happen... I have no clue |
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| Great episode! I read the manga chapters. This adapts Chapter 20 and 21. Honestly, this maybe the episode(besides 2 and 3) that adapts the chapters PERFECTLY. Everything is 1:1 ratio. All sequences were animated the same way and not like other episodes where they had to put one scene in the middle, end or beginning of the episode. I do like how the Anime's episode name is "The Balance of Triangle", while the Manga is "The Center of Triangle"   I thought they censored the bath scene, so I went ahead and check comparisons. It's pretty much the same, but Yuu's bra and pantsu has frills in it compared to the Anime :P Sleep over scene :D Touko looking more broken in the manga compared to the Anime End chapter scene It looks like Yui is getting more and more jealous. Possibly a three way fight in the upcoming episodes XD |
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| Also, for some reason. The small talk between Maki and Dojima was saved at the end of the volume. Forgot to mention how the cover of the volume is the fireworks scene :)    |
| Touko found out that her sister was a bit different in her daily life...I think it's stupid this whole thing of wanting to do what the sister couldn't, seems like Touko wants to die once she finish what her sister didn't |
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| It's sad that Touko could never actually think of her sister anything other than the perfect girl she saw her as. Maybe this will help her realize that what she is doing is pointless. I found the bath and sleeping scene quite amusing, hearing each of the girls thoughts and almost feeling the tension building up :D |
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| im more inclined to ship touko x sayaka right now |
| This surely was a mind opener for her, quite impressive actually to have another view on her older sister, pretty interesting actually! Looking forwards to see what the last day of camp will hold as well as the coming two episodes. |
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