Toaru Majutsu no Index III Episode 6 Discussion

luinthoron said:
And once again we can see that the only thing that stands over Level 5 is Level 0.

TomHazard said:
This series isn't all about level power. Outwitting > Level power

luinthoron said:

Indeed. And this is exactly how the Level 0's win these fights, since they can't rely solely on their power and therefore have to use their brains. The higher someone's level, the more they end up thinking not only that they can beat anyone with their power alone, but also that their power is the only weapon they have.

ap1001 said:


Here is a spoiler of everything.

Academy City (hereby shortened to AC) is a dictatorship with the board director Aleister at the top, he rules the Science side with an iron fist, so obviously a lot of people hate his guts and wish to personally strangle his androgynous neck.

Unfortunately the man is invulnerable, so most Dark Side organization don't want to end up as a corpse for plotting his death.

But suddenly 930 event happened, AC got invaded by a foreign power, a lot of Dark Side organization see this as a opportunity and proof that Aleister is not an Omnipotent Evil Presence that can't be defeated.

So 2 of them tried to rebel while AC's main army is busy grinding France to a paste.

Those 2 groups were BLOCK and SCHOOL. BLOCK is responsible for governing some of AC's collaboration organizations, essentially they are suppose to be part of AC's inquisition, if anyone doubts AC's absolute dictatorship, they are to be reported and "disappear".

SCHOOL is one of AC's black ops, they handle shit like assassination and guarding secret research that aren't suppose to see the light of the day.

So these 2 organization rebelled, and the other 3 while still disliking Aleister (Except MEMBER who all suck Aleister's androgynous dick) doesn't want the rest of AC to suffer for BLOCK and SCHOOL's rebellion. So they fight each other.

End result, everyone except GROUP got destroyed, Aleister's dictatorship remains, and GROUP got the consolation prize of learning that there are more darkness lying in the formation of AC. (Something so obvious and pointless, that AC's top literally at one point says, it is pointless to try erasing AC's darkness)

In short, everyone lost, except Aleister and Hamazura Shiage.

ssjokg said:
-No interaction between Shiage and Rikou prior to Kakine's attack
-Mugino's left arm didnt blow up.
-Accel uses black winds for EVERYTHING.
-Accel's EVIL was almost comical
-Kakine had no Awakening
-Accel saved those people....somehow
-Yomikawa just pops up everywhere
-Shiage's friends who he talks to in this ep arent seen.Why even bother then?
-OST is atrocius
-Shiage's plan in the fight is never explained.He just beats the Level 5 that Misaka had troubles with with no real effort
-Anti-Skill just popped out of nowhere
-Hamazura and Yomikawa totally ignore a half melted body of a loli girl......


This shit is almost at Umineko's level.

KasuraS said:
I thought Mugino lost her right eye due to Kakine, so that's why she is so pissed off, rejects the fault to Frenda and splits her body in two when she finds her, but no.
Mugino just abandons her comrades and flees away alone. In that case, she is not better than Frenda, who gets tortured and solds them. I'm pretty sure J.C.Staff has censored her torture scene and her death scene as well.
The fight between Accel and Kakine could be improved quite a lot. I will be satisfied if they bring the same animation quality as Frenda vs. Misaka in Railgun S or at least Vento vs. Touma in Index S2.
This episode is really too rushed. The whole arc is worth of 5 episodes, instead of 3.

Renzoku_Rentou said:
Hamazura fight get butchered while Accel vs Kakine get almost unlimited budget works!!! still didn't save this anime though...

Frenda get killed without any context, i'm saying this because most of my friends who are anime watchers only keep asking me why Frenda get killed...

Still salty that they butchered Hamazura fight because this is one of those times where we can see how good Hamazura in using tools to defeat his enemies, compare to Touma and Accel...

Tiau said:

By the way, Hamazura and Yomikawa never reacted much to Frenda's dead body, Hanzou indeed gets cut. Kakine never had a "real awakening", it was more that he realized something new about his powers and wanted to experiment on something, not like it matters because he immediately gets defeated afterwards.
And yeah, censorship, and there was more things to it if you meant how he threw piece of the ATM at Kakine but he really did do mostly wind shit and kicking a rock at Kakine, the fight wasn't very long. Also Accelerator was never really detailed HOW he saved those people, it was just told he was protecting them the entire time and Kakine(plus the narration) simply did not notice.

Also lol at Misaka having trouble with Mugino, she was exhausted and still beat Mugino with next to no real injuries.

ssjokg said:
So Hamazura did have a reaction to that.

"Hamazura’s face stiffened upon seeing what, unlike Takitsubo, was clearly a corpse. Even so, he did not hesitate. He gave the girl on his back to Yomikawa and spoke quietly.
“…Please go.”
“Hamazura. As I said, I’m in Anti-Skill. I can’t have a child shielding me h-...”
“Go!!” yelled Hamazura cutting her off. “I know you can’t ignore a murder case, but she’s well beyond that level! I can’t get into the details, but Frenda was fairly skilled herself. That woman is someone who could kill her in one blow! That’s why I’m telling you to take Takitsubo and go!!”
After saying that, Hamazura looked at the unconscious Takitsubo with an expression that looked like it was about to collapse"

Some reaction with incontext dialogue is infinite times better than blank stares and some yelling.

Better luck next time.

Tiau said:

You mean...the same thing he said in the anime? But hey at least you backpedaled on Yomikawa having a reaction, because she didn't say shit about Frenda's "loli body"

ssjokg said:

Can you even read?
All he did was make a noise with his mouth, the same thing every character does in the slightest discomfort.
The dialogue was entirely different as well.
The LN focuses on Shiage because he is the MC, is it unnatural to ask for a reaction from Yomikawa?They took some many other liberties why not add something that would make sense?

Stop defending this piece of shit.You probably didnt even watch the ep if you think that what Shiage said to Yomikawa is the same thing he says in the LN.

"“Go!!” yelled Hamazura cutting her off. “I know you can’t ignore a murder case, but she’s well beyond that level! I can’t get into the details, but Frenda was fairly skilled herself. That woman is someone who could kill her in one blow! That’s why I’m telling you to take Takitsubo and go!!”
After saying that, Hamazura looked at the unconscious Takitsubo with an expression that looked like it was about to collapse""

Where the fuck is all of that?

The anime has a typical "take her and go" exchange.Nothing to connect it to what they just saw.

Good luck next time.

Tiau said:

Except, if you had read the LN you'd know his lines in the LN is word for word actually,
“Please… I don’t want her to die. I could never make up my mind, but I finally know that that’s what I want to do. So please go. I can’t protect her alone. Without your help, I’ll lose everything here!!”

ssjokg said:


Oh ok, I see you have reading comprehension problems, since I even posted the part i refer too but ok...

Tiau said:

You mean like how you said the "anime has a typical "take her and go" exchange", showing that you didn't know that exact exchange was actually in the LN?

Tiau said:
Another one, for Kakine's awakening, the whole thing about that being a new power was actually revealed to be a mistranslated line, turns out by awakened they meant full length wings as he discovered something new with his powers and wanted to experiment.

Tl;dr if you read OT15 and it said Kakine got a new power in that moment and the word splat is there, then that old fan translator actually added lines instead of what happened, as far as js06(our current translator) has said.

ssjokg said:


Wow that is some nitpicking....

So did it look like Kaikine was doing or willing to do anything different in the anime?
Nope.Nothing.he was just talking shit again.

Tiau said:

Well yes actually, his wings went full length and he was about to do something while laughing before being planted into the asphalt, we obviously lost narration though.

Tiau said:
Huh, I actually thought it was strange but Yomikawa really just randomly shows up like that, this is the first time she was mentioned after she had already left with Rikou

ssjokg said:


Oh yeah, the wings MAY have gotten got bigger.Let me grab a ruler and measure them in the 1 sec screen time they had.

ssjokg said:

if you had read the LN, like you said to me, he told Shiage she would return with an Anti-skill unit.

He then calls her to say he doesnt need one after he beated Mugino.

So her and an Anti-skill unit being on stand by isnt an issue.That Accel and Kakine were so close is convenient but that is all.

Tiau said:

She appears alone though, the Anti-Skill unit isn't mentioned until after she got attacked, I literally have the novel right infront of me my man.

ssjokg said:
Kakine was full of himself all the time so no, in the anime it doesnt seem like anything changed.he just seems retarded for thinking he can beat an berserker Accel when he couldn't handle the normal one.

ssjokg said:


Doesnt matter since we know she was preparing a unit.Whethe rit was by running to HQ or another office and ccam back together or called them and they arrived late is irrelevant. They response time fits what was mentioned before in the novel.In the anime EVERYONE randomly appears there.

if it was so easy they could have been in every fight of this arc.

Tiau said:

Kakine was always pretty retarded though, nothing really did change except for the fact that he believed he had discovered a new trick made his wings bigger and that trick he never got the chance to do. In this case though, its more of a lack of narration, he never really changed in that fight, and I guess one could've been tipped off because that "awakening" was only ever mentioned in that one fight

Tiau said:

I don't quite understand your complaint then, maybe I'd understand if the anime actually had missed out on some explanation, but you yourself is functionally working with guesswork that also applies to the anime?

ssjokg said:


In the anime Yomikawa never talks about an Anti Skill uint.She just takes Rikou and leaves.Shiage's phone call doesnt even make sense if you dont know what he is talking about.

Arcos said:
That moment when Index isn't at all about Index anymore but all the sidecharacters which have a spin off anyway...

Grim1952 said:
Way to make the fight between the 2 most powerful characters in the show so dull.

Botato said:
It was never about Index, aside from the first arc.

Accelerator is a main character, fyi.

Arcos said:


Oh Accelerator is a main charakter in his spin off series, but in Season 3 Index he is listed as a SIDE CHARACTER - fyi

But they might change that since Index now is a side character, hell even kamijo isn't really a main character in his own show anymore, because the most Time they let the spin off main chars do stuff.

But yeah I'm hella interested in these organisations with names like SCHOOL, BLOCK, BRAINTUMOR, BUS, TRAIN, COFFEE, VLC MEDIA PLAYER, SMARTPHONE....such interesting organisations that come out of nowhere and are killed right in the same episode...what the hell has become to this anime.

Arcos said:


Oh Accelerator is a main charakter in his spin off series, but in Season 3 Index he is listed as a SIDE CHARACTER - fyi

But they might change that since Index now is a side character, hell even kamijo isn't really a main character in his own show anymore, because the most Time they let the spin off main chars do stuff.

OG_Gattsu said:
What the fuck is this trash writing? Why are lvl 0s defeating lvl 5 espers when they realistically should have no chance of winning?!

Mugino had all the time in the world to kill Hamazura, instead she walks after him like some crazy psychopath when her ability is fast and effective at long range.
I swear it’s as if the author can’t write a different fight sequence. Hamazura might as well be Touma’s brother with his lecturing and stupid one punches to win fights.

Accelerator Vs Kakine was underwhelming.

If Accelerator can trap in the ground then why didn’t he fucking do that Touma?! Because Touma has a shit ton of plot armour, that’s why.

This arc has been trash. Rushed plot points, terrible pacing, too much meaningless deaths, way too many characters who weren’t properly introduced, stupid organisations like ITEM SCHOOL BLOCK GROUP MEMBER fighting for unclear reasons which I don’t give af about and not enough explanations. The story was all over the place.

OG_Gattsu said:
What the fuck is this trash writing? Why are lvl 0s defeating lvl 5 espers when they realistically should have no chance of winning?!

Mugino had all the time in the world to kill Hamazura, instead she walks after him like some crazy psychopath when her ability is fast and effective at long range.
I swear it’s as if the author can’t write a different fight sequence. Hamazura might as well be Touma’s brother with his lecturing and stupid one punches to win fights.

Accelerator Vs Kakine was underwhelming.

If Accelerator can trap in the ground then why didn’t he fucking do that Touma?! Because Touma has a shit ton of plot armour, that’s why.

This arc has been trash. Rushed plot points, terrible pacing, too much meaningless deaths, way too many characters who weren’t properly introduced, stupid organisations like ITEM SCHOOL BLOCK GROUP MEMBER fighting for unclear reasons which I don’t give af about and not enough explanations. The story was all over the place.