| Cause it just sucked all around. I didn't expect it to live up to the original FLCL cause I consider that show a 10/10 and that's a totally unreasonable thing to expect from a show. I just wanted a good anime, which is not what I got. I like the idea of a female MC in Hidomi but everything interesting about her was just dumped to the audience by Raharu and Jinyu and it took forever for her to have any active role in the plot, which is a bad thing considering this show is only six episodes long. Raharu was a infinitely worse version of Haruko and Jinyu was stilted as hell and incredibly boring. Ide was... alright. He and Hidomi are the best things about Progressive, but I don't like either of them that much. The other characters were all just ??? I didn't understand them nor did I care about them and they just wasted screentime for me. Also doesn't help that the visuals sucked ass; episode 5 was impressive, episodes 1 and 4 had some decent sakuga in the second half (and episode 1s opening scene). The other three episodes looked like dogshit for the most part. Music was very underwhelming because of the mixing, apparently a decision the Japanese staff made. Not one I agree with; if anything keeping The Pillows behind the soundtrack should mean you blast that shit as high as you can when it plays. It also suffers from having the same tracks split between Alternative and bad placement of some songs. Dub was terrible, hopefully sub would be better. It was a lot of bad with barely anything good. |
| every single one of my forum posts is dumb and invalid except for 1, I don't claim them it was a different person it was all fake |
| It was essentially an FLCL fanfiction. Had a very different, clashing feel from the original. Things happened just to happen. |
| "No, son, you may not have your body pillow at the dinner table!" |
| Rewatching Progressive right now since Alternative is this weekend, and I wasn't a big fan of it because I didn't understand anything that was going on. Hopefully it'll be easier to understand the 2nd time around. |
| I guess the nostalgia glitters faded away and everyone realized not everything can be as good as they remembered it back when they first watched it on TV. That, and also "the original is always the best!!!" mentality. |
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| I was never a huge fan of the original flcl, but watching this made me appreciate it 10x more and now the original is one of my favourites. Flcl progressive was just terrible to me. It felt like style over substance and the original had both of those things. |
| I think part of why I disliked this sequel so much is that while FLCL 1 was vibrant, kinetic, varied, and daring, FLCL 2 feels plain and often safe, offering nothing but bad attempts at pandering to the trends of the 2010s instead of the 90s/2000s and introducing plot elements that are dubious at best, both in their own right, and in regards to the original. Apart from the art style shift in episode 5 and one or two dream sequences, FLCL 2 rarely tries different art styles. The animation tends to feel stiff and awkward with the plain designs and art style, and the weak use of cell phones and that tsundere act like that’s wrong on a variety of levels, only add to how this show feels more aggressively modern than genuinely progressive as a sequel to the kind of spirit and vision of the original. There are weird elements about the otherwise bland main female lead that are unexplored, and the narrative is a total mess with what it introduces. While I’m not a fan of the original, it had a sense of uniqueness and passion that’s hard to rival. The sequel never felt like it tried to live up to the sense of passion or identity its titan of a predecessor had. It had the surface elements of FLCL, and while obviously no one was expecting to try to relive that show through this sequel, it never quite felt bold or interesting enough to justify itself as a sequel to something unique that never needed one. I also really didn’t like any of the characters in this one, and felt that Haruko’s arc was terrible. Jinyu was a waste of a kickass design in my opinion as well. |
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CatSoul said: It was essentially an FLCL fanfiction. Had a very different, clashing feel from the original. Things happened just to happen. Very well put!!!! |
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CC1987 said: AgreedProgressive is like an little brother trying to like his big brother. But you can't be someone else. You have to be yourself, but Progressive doesn't get this. That also plays a major part in why I like Alternative. That one embraces its own identity. |
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| Because this could have been the greatest anime of all time and all the FLCL fans would have still review bombed it. They all have their nostalgia goggles on too tight to realize the original FLCL wasn't even that amazing; it just had style as well as themes of growing up applicable to most of the viewers due to their young age at the time. Honestly if your first time watching the show is now and as an adult and you're not some anime elitist that rates shows based off how artsy fartsy and pseudo deep they are then this iteration of FLCL is just objectively better (and more fun) than the original (can't say the same about Alternative though). Although I can see why it'd annoy people that it doesn't quite have the same flare the old one does but that's less so the show's fault and more so the fact that not only have we seen it been done before (with the original) but with the shit ton of anime constantly coming out it's hard not to feel like they all look and sound the same. Regardless I really dislike seeing good shows like this on the site get bad reviews by all these elitists. |
Kyotosomo said: Speaking as someone who finds at least half of the original boring and insufferable, I can still call bullshit on this toxic mindset. Sure, some people will be purists in regards to just about anything, but the original show is everything this show fails to be: creative, passionate, clever, celebratory, experimental, and in some ways, influential. This sequel is a waste of time, with boring and mediocre visuals, horridly unrelatable protagonists whose baggage is irrelevant to the narrative, hideous attempts of character arcs and extra world-building which compromise the original (which is something no sequel should ever do), and no sense of passion behind much of anything. The original had thematic depth that got explored passionately and inventively, and that's what separates that from this for most people, including myself. You can feel how you want about the show, but don't you dare try to assert some bullshit narrative about the people disliking the show being some kind of "elitist hivemind", because shit like that and guys like you, who believe this toxic, purposely segregationalist voodoo myth spook bullshit are why this community is infamous in terms of toxicity and being populated by brick walls (as exaggerated as that stigma can be).Because this could have been the greatest anime of all time and all the FLCL fans would have still review bombed it. They all have their nostalgia goggles on too tight to realize the original FLCL wasn't even that amazing; it just had style as well as themes of growing up applicable to most of the viewers due to their young age at the time. Honestly if your first time watching the show is now and as an adult and you're not some anime elitist that rates shows based off how artsy fartsy and pseudo deep they are then this iteration of FLCL is just objectively better (and more fun) than the original (can't say the same about Alternative though). Although I can see why it'd annoy people that it doesn't quite have the same flare the old one does but that's less so the show's fault and more so the fact that not only have we seen it been done before (with the original) but with the shit ton of anime constantly coming out it's hard not to feel like they all look and sound the same. Regardless I really dislike seeing good shows like this on the site get bad reviews by all these elitists. |
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CodeBlazeFate said: Kyotosomo said: Speaking as someone who finds at least half of the original boring and insufferable, I can still call bullshit on this toxic mindset. Sure, some people will be purists in regards to just about anything, but the original show is everything this show fails to be: creative, passionate, clever, celebratory, experimental, and in some ways, influential. This sequel is a waste of time, with boring and mediocre visuals, horridly unrelatable protagonists whose baggage is irrelevant to the narrative, hideous attempts of character arcs and extra world-building which compromise the original (which is something no sequel should ever do), and no sense of passion behind much of anything. The original had thematic depth that got explored passionately and inventively, and that's what separates that from this for most people, including myself. You can feel how you want about the show, but don't you dare try to assert some bullshit narrative about the people disliking the show being some kind of "elitist hivemind", because shit like that and guys like you, who believe this toxic, purposely segregationalist voodoo myth spook bullshit are why this community is infamous in terms of toxicity and being populated by brick walls (as exaggerated as that stigma can be).Because this could have been the greatest anime of all time and all the FLCL fans would have still review bombed it. They all have their nostalgia goggles on too tight to realize the original FLCL wasn't even that amazing; it just had style as well as themes of growing up applicable to most of the viewers due to their young age at the time. Honestly if your first time watching the show is now and as an adult and you're not some anime elitist that rates shows based off how artsy fartsy and pseudo deep they are then this iteration of FLCL is just objectively better (and more fun) than the original (can't say the same about Alternative though). Although I can see why it'd annoy people that it doesn't quite have the same flare the old one does but that's less so the show's fault and more so the fact that not only have we seen it been done before (with the original) but with the shit ton of anime constantly coming out it's hard not to feel like they all look and sound the same. Regardless I really dislike seeing good shows like this on the site get bad reviews by all these elitists. Nothing I said was toxic; all I said was that it's a shame the FLCL fanbase so desperately feels the need to attack the sequels and anybody who happened to like them (or think that FLCL isn't the greatest anime of all time). You literally just proved my point by doing exactly that (I hardly call a 7/10 not enjoying the show, clearly you're a part of the people who enjoyed it as am I lol I gave it an 8/10). You know what IS toxic though? Getting all upset and attacking someone for respectfully disagreeing with you on how good or bad an anime is. "How dare you disagree with me on something! I hate you!". You know who functions on that level of maturity? Little kids. You complain about the community's toxicity but clearly you need to look in the mirror because you're obviously the problem. Take a chill pill and go enjoy a show without having to worry about what other people think about it. Relax. |
KyotosomoOct 28, 2018 3:25 PM
Kyotosomo said: You purposely referred to all of the people who dislike this show as “elitists”, which should speak for itself. I specifically said that you can feel how you feel about the work, and hell, you’re allowed to feel like the show doesn’t get enough love. However, I do draw the line at actively trying to say that the people who dislike it are all just a bunch of elitists who wear their nostalgia goggles too damn tight. What about my comment proves your point: the fact that I actively showed you what I feel separates the two?! That’s nonsense, especially since I kinda fucking hate half of the original. I admit, I am invested in community opinion, but unlike you, I won’t deny it. I’ll actively admit I hold some investment in that, but at the same time, I won’t just generalize a group of people who hold an opinion I disagree with or the show, unlike what you clearly have done. I am not that unfair. For example, I don’t understand why people like FLCL Progressive. Do you see me generalizing all of the people that like this show as a bunch of rabid fanboys and apologists? No, cuz that’s stupid and toxic, and so is assuming people who hate it are all simply purists who need to take their nostalgia goggles off and look at the show as the clearly inferior show you deem it to be. CodeBlazeFate said: Speaking as someone who finds at least half of the original boring and insufferable, I can still call bullshit on this toxic mindset. Sure, some people will be purists in regards to just about anything, but the original show is everything this show fails to be: creative, passionate, clever, celebratory, experimental, and in some ways, influential. This sequel is a waste of time, with boring and mediocre visuals, horridly unrelatable protagonists whose baggage is irrelevant to the narrative, hideous attempts of character arcs and extra world-building which compromise the original (which is something no sequel should ever do), and no sense of passion behind much of anything. The original had thematic depth that got explored passionately and inventively, and that's what separates that from this for most people, including myself. You can feel how you want about the show, but don't you dare try to assert some bullshit narrative about the people disliking the show being some kind of "elitist hivemind", because shit like that and guys like you, who believe this toxic, purposely segregationalist voodoo myth spook bullshit are why this community is infamous in terms of toxicity and being populated by brick walls (as exaggerated as that stigma can be). Nothing I said was toxic; all I said was that it's a shame the FLCL fanbase so desperately feels the need to attack the sequels and anybody who happened to like them (or think that FLCL isn't the greatest anime of all time). You literally just proved my point by doing exactly that (I hardly call a 7/10 not enjoying the show, clearly you're a part of the people who enjoyed it as am I lol I gave it an 8/10). You know what IS toxic though? Getting all upset and attacking someone for respectfully disagreeing with you on how good or bad an anime is. "How dare you disagree with me on something! I hate you!". You know who functions on that level of maturity? Little kids. You complain about the community's toxicity but clearly you need to look in the mirror because you're obviously the problem. Take a chill pill and go enjoy a show without having to worry about what other people think about it. Relax. Also, try not to generalize scores like that. I gave it a 7 because despite the fact that I found the show insufferable half the time, not only was the other half pretty entertaining, but no matter how I feel about my viewing experience, I can still see how visually spectacular it is, how thematically tight and well-written it is, and how passionately crafted it is. I’d give it an 8 if I enjoyed it more, since I found it great in spite of my viewing experience. The fact of the matter is, you’re still ultimately subscribing to this while “elitists/casuals” nonsense that was only there just to split this community in two, one known for being there mainly as an escape. Damn near everyone that accuses someone of being an elitist is actually an elitist. They misuse the term, weaponizing it against those who dislike a work, and the people who use it act so snobbish about it, and so defensive about it! Yes, some people can go overboard and attack others for disliking a work (and this can happen regardless of how well-versed you are in a particular medium and how truly familiar you are with the work), and that applies in every medium, but most of them aren’t deemed “elitists”. Only the ones with the lower scores, with the more critical eye, with the reviews that just to happen to rate certain shows negatively and don’t subscribe to the idea that popular shows are inherently good (since popularity isn’t necessarily causal of a work’s quality) get called that, and it’s both sickening and hypocritical. I’m not passionate about people disagreeing with my opinion as you so claim (even if I do care about the general reception of many works), I’m passionately angry about this awful mentality which this community has been especially notorious for having, more notably so than any other medium’s community (of course, this happens everywhere to some extent, with video games being another good example of where this is prevalent). Note that not once did I attack you for your opinion. I (arguably) did so for expressing that mindset. Given what you just said, I’m willing to believe you just communicated yourself in a way so eerily similar to this fucked up mindset, and that you dom't actualy feel contempt for everyone who voices their disdain of Progressive as a sequel. Forgive the cyclical ranting. Just got done watching The Shining (fucking love that movie, by the way). |
CodeBlazeFateOct 28, 2018 8:54 PM
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| Oof that's very fitting considering The Shining is the FLCL of Stephen King movies |
Kyotosomo said: Lmao, is that all you got out of his comment?Oof that's very fitting considering The Shining is the FLCL of Stephen King movies |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
Kyotosomo said: Oof that's very fitting considering The Shining is the FLCL of Stephen King movies Nah, The Shawshank Redemption is the FLCL of Stephen King movies. |
Weebaloo said: Kyotosomo said: Oof that's very fitting considering The Shining is the FLCL of Stephen King movies Nah, The Shawshank Redemption is the FLCL of Stephen King movies. ouch my heart i cri |
| It seems Progressive was so concerned with trying to check all the boxes of what an FLCL sequel should have that it ended up missing the most important aspect of the original: inventiveness. FLCL was a pioneer of crazy/outlandish anime, but since then there've been a lot of other shows that tried to emulate that style. By rehashing what the original did without further experimenting Progressive ended up not standing out from the crowd. Maybe that's why people have said above that it "played safe". It also might've been better if the story was completely different and haruko wasn't there. By trying to keep everything the same there wasn't as much room for experimentation. The author had his/her hands tied from the get-go. Kind of like how J.K. Rowling came up with a new setting and characters for Magical Beasts and Where to Find Them. If she had, instead, created another Harry Potter story with the same characters, or new characters in the same Hogwarts setting, I guarantee it wouldn't have been well received as well. That story was over, time to move on. That being said, I don't think the original FLCL was the masterpiece everyone seems to think. It is, still, a lot better than Progressive. |
AnotherGuyDec 22, 2018 4:32 PM
| Just saw it, I'm not sure why everybody was so harsh with it. But most people had their guns drawn 6 monthes before release, so I guess it's not very surprising. Was it a 10/10 masterpiece with mad animation, a cleverly told and dense story, some of the very best scenes ever displayed on screens (the discussion between Naota and Haruko, with the dad's head...)? No, obviously it wasn't. Was it so bad it deserved to have only 3/10 reviews stacked on top of its page? Does it really "looks like dogshit" like some user here said? *shrugs* I liked how Hidomi had the opposite point of view on life than Naota, wanting things to never change. It was visually pleasing for the most part even if not jaw-dropping and high quality for it's whole length like FLCL is. And I'll fight anyone who dislikes that song: |
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| Progressive is a joke. Literally. I'm dead certain they overestimated their ability to take on this project and underestimated how much of an impact the original show was. They took everything great about FLCL and stripped away everything but the superficial. The entire show was essentially like a caricature of FLCL. They tried so hard in hyping up the nostalgia that it ended up backfiring and you're left with this poor imitation. |
| Just because it's not as good as the original FLCL, fans have the need to shit on it. I still thought it was a good effort, miles above most generic trash that comes out every season. |
| I did'nt hated it but I barely understood what happened and why it was happening, but some scenes and the animation were pretty cool, Aiko was the best thing in this for me :D |
| EL PSY KONGROO!!! |
| Its only terrible compared the great original which is one of my favorite anime. It feels like something trying and failing to match up. Gave it a 5 myself, seems reasonable, certainly don't ever need to see it again whereas I own the DVDs of the original. Completely forgettable show. |
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dontcome said: But maybe it's because this one is about a TEENAGE GIRL, and it's NOT a BOY HITTING PUBERTY. Ah, the Ghostbusters defense. Yes, that must be it. People didn't pan Progressive because of its subpar, amateurish directing, nonexistent characterization, or stiff animation, they panned it because sexism. Well done, you've cracked the case. To be fair, at least in the case of Ghostbusters, at first that WAS the only reason people hated it. Back when it was first announced and little to nothing was known about it other than the cast there were tons of idiots online blasting it simply because the cast was all female. That being said there are legitimate reasons to dislike the film On the other hand in the case of this "season" of FLCL, I haven't heard that argument even once until this thread... so... yeah. Also I have no opinion on this because I haven't seen it yet. |
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