Fate/Apocrypha Episode 25 Discussion

Shuda- said:
@Siv3001

"4) what is this reverse side of the world has it ever been brought up before this? And how on earth does Jeanne even get there? How? And you mean to tell me she stayed thirsty for Sieg for countless centuries?? Wtf why did she even like him? I just don't understand"

You know, that this is one timeline out of a massive multi-universe right? The reverse side of the world is an important aspect of the Nasuverse. The Throne of Heroes (Where heroic spirits reside) is outside of the time axis, so while it is God knows how long for Sieg, and us; for Jeanne, it was like retracing her steps over and over a near infinite amount of times until she found it.

Educate yourself on Type Moon and Nasuverse, there's a great big wiki with everything.

Siv3001 said:

I can tell you now 95% of the watchers have no idea what any of those things are you can't create an anime world and not explain its mechanics and world setting/lore on the show thats just bad writing

Siv3001 said:

I can tell you now 95% of the watchers have no idea what any of those things are you can't create an anime world and not explain its mechanics and world setting/lore on the show thats just bad writing

joshua10red said:
It wasn't bad but wasn't good either.This is the 1st anime from Fate series I watched.but I think I understand what this whole series is about and I'm not interested to watch again a war for Holy Grail.
Final score 7/10 (i think is a little too high)

Theorder14 said:

1) why wasn't frskenstein just strolling around after Blasted tree? Saber only survived due to being boosted by command seal Blasted tree is a suicide bombing basically he shouldn't have lived.
2)Sieg and Astolfo were already in the grail before Shirou died their scene was just shown later
3)Sieg should've lost all command seals since his arm went all black so how is he still powering up Astolfo?
4) what is this reverse side of the world has it ever been brought up before this? And how on earth does Jeanne even get there? How? And you mean to tell me she stayed thirsty for Sieg for countless centuries?? Wtf why did she even like him? I just don't understand

NamelessWaltz said:
I am quite confused about the timeline of Apocrypha. Isnt it about the 3rd Holy Grail War, taking place before the 4th one ? How come Waver is all grown up in this one? AM I missing something?

Theorder14 said:


1) Because she already got heavily injured before and that was a blasted tree reinforced with command spell so it's no wonder she got wiped out.
2) The battle was already concluded and Sieg & Astolfo was clearly the winner.
3)The Master is still connected to the servant even if all command spells are used up. I believe that was stated in the main series.

Siv3001 said:
3) if masters use up their command seals they lose their servants hence why nobody just uses command seals at will so no it can't be because they are connected.

Inorichi said:

Again, imo, franchise would be twice as successful if the backstories of each servant got an anime, cause it makes more sense than any of the grail wars.

Ramkec said:
What a based guy this Amakusa Shirou Tokisada was man, he died believing into his cause until the very end (and what a great name as well)

Can't believe an actual guy with this name really existed in our history.

Really good Fate series in my opinion, probably the best entry in this universum after Fate Zero, cause even no matter how much annoying Sieg was he can't be worse then Emiya "people die when they are killed". This is peak for the Fate, its as good as it gets, telling you this as an expert in this field.

Shayon said:

The war you're seeing in this anime happens after the third grail war. In the third grail war Amakusa shirou was summoned and the Greater Grail was stolen by Darnic. so this "Great Holy Grail War" is the fourth war technicaly since Fate/Zero's fourth war never happend in this universe.

Waver being an adult here makes sense, you can just tell yourself he carried out his life normally in the mage's association and eventually became Lord El Melloi II. What doesn't make sense tho is that he has Iskandar's catalyst and talks about him as if he met him before.

The LN probably explains it, too bad Vol 5 it isn't translated.

Siv3001 said:

1) Well Sieg had fought frikken karna did that not injure him? He got stabbed fatally by Shirou, is that not an injury? And most importantly Blasted tree is suicide bombing Sieg should not be alive. How was he alive?
3) if masters use up their command seals they lose their servants hence why nobody just uses command seals at will so no it can't be because they are connected.
2) Both Shirou and Sieg should be dead yet plot convenience allows Sieg to walk away the last 5 or whatever episodes were just plot convenience for Sieg the whole way

Theorder14 said:

Like i said, the reason why he survived is because his body is that of a dragon. Although it's called a suicide move, it's not certain the user would die. Heck, it's even mentioned in the ability description that blasted tree has a small chance of reviving the user instead.
I honestly don't know where you get ur info from. Never does it mention that losing all your command seals means that the master and servant lose their connection. It's even mentioned in the main series that the connection would still remain. So where do u even get ur info from?

JDartrix said:


Waver Velvet participated in pseudo Holy Grail Wars before the Great Holy Grail Wsr of Apoc. Darnic was the perpetrator. It happened several times and the Assassin class became the most used class and a Wiki of "How to Win the Fake Holy Grail Wars" began. Yup, even in this universe, Velvet still fcks his sensei's catalyst.

AgaelVastar said:
What was this stuff with Velvet when he looked at the part of Iskandar's robe in the box? I thought that War didn't happen in this timeline and yet it seemed as if Velvet knew best boi somehow. What was that about?

ina-astral said:
So the scene at the very first episode was actually the ending, what the heck. Anyway, it was not a bad ride. Still better than DEEN's and that is good enough. 8/10

Shuda- said:
@Siv3001

"4) what is this reverse side of the world has it ever been brought up before this? And how on earth does Jeanne even get there? How? And you mean to tell me she stayed thirsty for Sieg for countless centuries?? Wtf why did she even like him? I just don't understand"

You know, that this is one timeline out of a massive multi-universe right? The reverse side of the world is an important aspect of the Nasuverse. The Throne of Heroes (Where heroic spirits reside) is outside of the time axis, so while it is God knows how long for Sieg, and us; for Jeanne, it was like retracing her steps over and over a near infinite amount of times until she found it.

Educate yourself on Type Moon and Nasuverse, there's a great big wiki with everything.

Fu-reiji said:


no. DEEN for all it's faults managed to deliver the proper end in that meant a lot in the fate route. Apocrypha was literally filled with ass pulls for sieg as it went on, we don't get any depth on the characters especially in the anime and the novel does a little better but it's not really all justifiable since more than half of them aren't even there to fulfill anything which just screams lazy writing.

the freaking author tried way too hard to keep what he was going to do for apocrypha originally as a MMO intact and that was one of the main backfires that came off Sieg. it is literally a play by play on how shirou was saved but it got taken to the ridiculous levels of plot armor and ass pulls we're supposed to call out the creator on but a couple wanna pretend this was okay. A-1 pictures had this golden opportunity to make the story better but they somehow in some way made a bad story into an even shittier one with how badly rushed a lot of this shit was.

ina-astral said:

lol, deen's 2006 fate made less sense to me even though that was supposed to be the introductions towards fate universe. It's not until i've read the actual visual novel that i understood what fate was actually. On the other hand, i'm more or less understood the point of apocrypha's story without the need to read the original source, which is light novel iirc? That alone is enough for me to decide that it's still better than deen's supposedly 'fate' route adaptation

edit : though you're true about apocrypha story being bad due to plot armors and nonsense pulls

Zelev said:
What's the difference between the Greater Grail and the other one?

Shuda- said:
@Siv3001

"4) what is this reverse side of the world has it ever been brought up before this? And how on earth does Jeanne even get there? How? And you mean to tell me she stayed thirsty for Sieg for countless centuries?? Wtf why did she even like him? I just don't understand"

You know, that this is one timeline out of a massive multi-universe right? The reverse side of the world is an important aspect of the Nasuverse. The Throne of Heroes (Where heroic spirits reside) is outside of the time axis, so while it is God knows how long for Sieg, and us; for Jeanne, it was like retracing her steps over and over a near infinite amount of times until she found it.

Educate yourself on Type Moon and Nasuverse, there's a great big wiki with everything.