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Jul 20, 2017 9:59 PM
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Farabeuf said:
emilyhime19 said:


Foreigners brought new things, things the Japanese never seen before. They afraid that those things would replace their traditional values, turn them into some kind of slaves to the foreigners. Those fears are not without reason you know. Like my country in the past, the French came in, trade and brought modernization but after that, they turned my country into a colony. People that opposed them was thrown into a prison in the middle of the ocean and were tortured there. There are also the fact that in that time period, the US sent 4 warships to force Tokugawa Bakufu to open their country for trading.


I'm aware of all these things. It does not change the fact that in the context of this show and story, they have not been oppressed or slaughtered and their reaction to foreign presence is brutal and over the top. If you cannot recognise the element of xenophobia present here, you're being either very naive or your fandom has blinded you to the fact that there is a remnant of xenophobia still present in Japanese society that has little to do with Commodore Perry's ships.
This is the last I will say on the subject.


I am not in any fandom and I will never be. What I said is based on history lessons that I was taught and historical facts that I researched online. I didn't say that the ronin weren't wrong and they would be punished for their crime but this anime only show didn't show the whole picture. It was the oppression of the foreigners that lead to Meiji restoration. You cannot even admit that this anime is a historical anime with real historical facts and you dare to call me naive. You are the one who is blind by your prejudice and stubbornness. The line "This is the last I will say on the subject" should have been said by me.
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Jul 20, 2017 10:10 PM
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Kaio_chiii said:
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This series does not explain everything; because it based on history and year 1863 there were views against foreigners. Also; there is no expanding on background history; almost everything in this franchise is up to the player to check up; read and learn history.
so of course you wont get the history lesson here.



I agree with you on this.The Japanese would have learn the history in school so there was no need to expand that.
Jul 21, 2017 1:11 PM

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Kaio_chiii said:
MikazukiRanbu said:


Well, this is supposed to be a Historical anime. While the game doesn't explain that much history, thisanime does but you can feel their views are a bit bias and the lessons being learned here are obscured rather than going more into depth. For a serious anime, its not wise of them to leave out that kind of information especially since ufotable is going so heavy on exposition in the wrong places.


I agree its a historical series but it does mention the information we should be concerned with; and is important to the touken danshis.
I dont think there is any need to give a whole history on who and what and complcate the series. It isnt a documentry To be fair the info they are giving is the same as most bakumatsu animangas give so i dont see a problem with their info and dont think there is any need to expand more. If they should expand it later i would welcome it.
This is my opinion and we may differ and its not a problem.


I don't know how expanding on the events that they're dealing with more would complicate the story at all if not give the enemy of the episode more depth and expand more on the time period but we'll agree to disagree and leave it at that.
Jul 21, 2017 1:22 PM

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emilyhime19 said:
Farabeuf said:


I'm aware of all these things. It does not change the fact that in the context of this show and story, they have not been oppressed or slaughtered and their reaction to foreign presence is brutal and over the top. If you cannot recognise the element of xenophobia present here, you're being either very naive or your fandom has blinded you to the fact that there is a remnant of xenophobia still present in Japanese society that has little to do with Commodore Perry's ships.
This is the last I will say on the subject.


I am not in any fandom and I will never be. What I said is based on history lessons that I was taught and historical facts that I researched online. I didn't say that the ronin weren't wrong and they would be punished for their crime but this anime only show didn't show the whole picture. It was the oppression of the foreigners that lead to Meiji restoration. You cannot even admit that this anime is a historical anime with real historical facts and you dare to call me naive. You are the one who is blind by your prejudice and stubbornness. The line "This is the last I will say on the subject" should have been said by me.


Just want to jump in and say - I agree with the person you're talking to- you admitted that the anime doesn't show the full picture but you also said it shows real historical facts- however this show does seem bias in favor of the ronin and portrays them as if they weren't bad despite their ill intentions - as in anti-villains from mutsunokamis perspective. However I would disagree with the other person in that this show has a xenophobic views on foreigners. That wasn't demonstrated in the show outside of the ronin and if it had been a plot point between the leads, I doubt one of the lead character would have went out of his way to save the people in the ship anyway. You say the show isn't supposed to be a history lesson but there are things that were learned from this episode, perhaps falsely. As in them portraying the ronin in a good light. But otherwise I think claiming xenophobia was kind of silly. Still, the writers could have handled things better ( as they could have in the previous episodes as well ). And that's all *I* will say on this.
Jul 21, 2017 2:12 PM
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MikazukiRanbu said:
Kaio_chiii said:


I agree its a historical series but it does mention the information we should be concerned with; and is important to the touken danshis.
I dont think there is any need to give a whole history on who and what and complcate the series. It isnt a documentry To be fair the info they are giving is the same as most bakumatsu animangas give so i dont see a problem with their info and dont think there is any need to expand more. If they should expand it later i would welcome it.
This is my opinion and we may differ and its not a problem.


I don't know how expanding on the events that they're dealing with more would complicate the story at all if not give the enemy of the episode more depth and expand more on the time period but we'll agree to disagree and leave it at that.


If it does seem my tone is sharp its just that english isnt my first language so i apolgize for that.

If the story would deal with them later and they don't expand their views then i would consider it a flaw. I think it will compicate it if they just mention it But they will be dealing with sakamoto later on so they might expand it; i said in the previous post if they do deal with them later i would welcome it but if not i wouldnt really care because its obvious what went on history.
Yeah we can agree to disagree
Jul 22, 2017 9:42 PM
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MikazukiRanbu said:
emilyhime19 said:


I am not in any fandom and I will never be. What I said is based on history lessons that I was taught and historical facts that I researched online. I didn't say that the ronin weren't wrong and they would be punished for their crime but this anime only show didn't show the whole picture. It was the oppression of the foreigners that lead to Meiji restoration. You cannot even admit that this anime is a historical anime with real historical facts and you dare to call me naive. You are the one who is blind by your prejudice and stubbornness. The line "This is the last I will say on the subject" should have been said by me.


Just want to jump in and say - I agree with the person you're talking to- you admitted that the anime doesn't show the full picture but you also said it shows real historical facts- however this show does seem bias in favor of the ronin and portrays them as if they weren't bad despite their ill intentions - as in anti-villains from mutsunokamis perspective. However I would disagree with the other person in that this show has a xenophobic views on foreigners. That wasn't demonstrated in the show outside of the ronin and if it had been a plot point between the leads, I doubt one of the lead character would have went out of his way to save the people in the ship anyway. You say the show isn't supposed to be a history lesson but there are things that were learned from this episode, perhaps falsely. As in them portraying the ronin in a good light. But otherwise I think claiming xenophobia was kind of silly. Still, the writers could have handled things better ( as they could have in the previous episodes as well ). And that's all *I* will say on this.


But that is how it is. This is moral gray area. People can do bad thing despite their good intention, you cannot classify them as good or bad, just know that they will be punish for their crime.
Jul 23, 2017 5:32 PM

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I'm bored with this one. I was hoping it would be more interesting due to the time-travel aspect, but it's pretty generic. Dropped.
Jul 26, 2017 2:53 AM

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The episode felt a bit bland to me. Not enough fighting, though even that is getting repetitive.
Aug 3, 2017 3:12 AM

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You'd think they would be more used to this job by now...
Oct 7, 2017 6:15 AM
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Despite the anime's story starting like out of nowhere, things are bit clearer now in ep3.
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