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stupidmoebitch said: Ysad_Ziwezhan said: I agree that Ymir's fate doesn't make sense here if you look at her life's philosophy (live for yourself!) but maybe she had no choice (too weak to escape?). So we can see it as a "she did once a really really stupid choice when backing Rainer and Berthold and she paid the price of her stupidity" ? To be honest I'm quite speechless they didn't even show her trying to escape this shit fate. Maybe ISAYAMA will explain it later in a flashback (once again) but really Ymir dying without a fight? Isn't that a bit lazy? Nice that they explain now in the manga how the village uprising in the anime was possible. Honestly I'm wondering if it'll turn out that Ymir made a deal with the Marley to keep Historia safe in exchange for voluntarily giving up her Titan powers to one of their Warriors But : _ she can't trust the marleyan people, even less when she's already dead. _ The marleyans didn't have the means to get Historia at that time. _ Historia would have become a slave. _ Ymir could have contributed herself to keep Historia safe if she had been on Eren's side. _ She could have been next to Historia for the rest of her short life. I really see this as a flaw in writing but this flaw goes back to chapter 50, which ironically might be the ending of the 2nd season for the anime. At that time, nobody reacted because it wasn't clear that Ymir chose death instead of Historia ... which doesn't make sense AT ALL. I reread the half-assed explanation of Ymir for her irrational choice, she chosed Rainer and Bethold and a certain death over Historia : LOL! It's the pure negation of Ymir's essence, the way the character has been written so far. But waiting few years to kill her off, clever move, he couldn't have done it right after chapter 51. The flaw would have been too obvious. |
| Interesting chapter. Does Zeke not know of his mother's royal blood? Ymir is dead and her power passed on to Gilliard. The entire world is still populated and at war. Marley's enemies have advanced their military to greater heights thereby rendering the Titans obsolete. Eren and Armin have been destroying Marley navy for three years, meaning they've most likely captured and interrogated some soldiers, and acquired technology from the mainland. Where is this all leading to? I can't imagine all these plot points will be resolved by the end of this manga but I suspect the Eldians will reside on Paradis with all nine Titan powers by its conclusion. This manga sure changed from its original premise. Not that I mind much but anime fans certainly won't be happy. A lot of them don't appreciate rich story as much as they do bombastic action and gore. They're already complaining about Season 2. Also, my theory of the Ackermans stemming from Titan experiments came true... Although I hypothesized that the Titans were the botched experiments while the Ackermans were the success, and this may be the other way around. Why were they experimented on though? And why were the Ackermans exterminated on command of Reiss? Maybe the Ackermans are Marleyian. Maybe the Marleyian in an attempt to match the power of the Eldian Titan shifters experimented on their own kind, an Ackerman, to give him Titan powers but it failed and instead gave him and his progeny superhuman abilities. This may also explain why the Ackermans were hunted down on Paradis. They're Marleyians by blood which the Reiss would hate, which would also mean Mikasa and Levi can't become Titans. Also meaning there would be two ironic sides of the same prejudice. Marleyian who ostracize and force the Eldians into slave labor on the mainland and the Eldians (Reiss) who exterminated the Marleyians (Ackerman) on Paradis. badwolf45f said: Im so done with this manga, the only thing i didnt want to happen to Ymir, dying off screen its what happens...really Isayama? You kill one of the best characters just like that? "she was just a poor girl with a name to big for her" NO NO NO SHE WAS MUCH MORE THAN THAT, everything she stand foor was throw in the trash with that. "IF I EVER GET A SECOND CHANCE IN LIFE I WANNA LIVE FOR MYSELF" oh yeah i see that, you let yourself get eaten, the girl who has such a terrible past yet she fight to live, let herself be eaten becase she want to return her power, yeah seem legit. "LIVE YOUR LIFE WITH YOUR HEAD HELD HIGHT" she dies with her head dow. OK ISAYAMA. A character who did so much to Historia, to Sasha, even she saved Reiner and Berthold and u kill her like if it was just a character that appeared once. And now you put Reiner like a nice guy "woah you seemed like a guy everyone deppended on" woah reiner such a nice guy, now you can marry Historia and make a beautiful heterosexual ship, you totally deserve to live more, you that has killed thousand of innocents lives, you deserve to live more than Ymir, at the end she is just a poor girl with a name too big for her right? Yeah, dropped. So it doesn't have anything to do with you being a yuri shipper? ;) |
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| rip ymir and to my yumikuri dreams |
MoonStar9 said: So it doesn't have anything to do with you being a yuri shipper? ;) I feel like that's the only reason people were so obsessed with Ymir. It's interesting how Isayama gets criticized by the fans for plot armor and supposedly being afraid to kill popular characters. Then every time he kills one the same fandom has a meltdown. |
rypo59May 1, 2017 10:03 AM
| Idk about you, guys, but this chapter got me really emotional. I didn't expect Ymir's death off-screen, I grew to love her and it saddens me that she's gone now. She was a great character: Ymir was fundamental for Christa, she helped her to become Historia and accept herself and her real identity. And, c'mon, they were (correct me if i'm wrong here) practically canon. It's sad that they were torn apart from each other. At least, Ymir got to say goodbye to Historia with her letter. But it's just sad. Now, Reiner. I used to hate Reiner. He was mean and I didn't like him, especially the things he did after kidnapping Eren (and now I get to see it again because second season, yaaaay!). But he is just so f*cked up. I don't know if what he provokes in me is pity, but I don't hate him as much as before. He has PTSD, split personality, and tons of guilt. He got to see both sides of this war, he already lost so much. And I think he stopped being that cocky dude who used to think he was better than anyone else because he was the goddam Armored Titan. After Marcel saving his life and being devoured by Ymir, Annie being captured and with her destiny unknown, and Berthold killed in action, well, it's only natural that he's constantly haunted by their ghosts. But he now understands the horrible path a shifter has to walk, and he also now values life. That's why he makes Falco understand that if he wants to save Gabi, he has to obtain the Armored Titan's power for himself. Oh, and I love that he's so terrified of Levi and Mikasa that he has nightmares about them! I'm dying to see what's going to happen to Reiner's mind when he gets to see his former 104 companions. They were practically brothers and sisters for years, and he was somewhat free there. It's going to be interesting. Also, I' m hoping for an Historia/Gilliard encounter, that would be rather /interesting/. |
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| I'm not buying Ymir having had the Jaw shifter. It's one thing to have differences in looks between shifters of the same power, it's another to even lack what's characteristic of that specific Titan. Plus, how did she "give it back" while retaining shifter abilities? Interesting chapter, overall. |
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| What a shit chapter. He literally off-screen killed Ymir. What the fuck? I really hope there's a copout and she's in someway still alive, because regardless, this is just shit writing especially if he's planning on explaining it in a flashback, which we've had enough of already. If you're going to kill her off, at least make it meaningful. |
badwolf45f said: Im so done with this manga, the only thing i didnt want to happen to Ymir, dying off screen its what happens...really Isayama? You kill one of the best characters just like that? "she was just a poor girl with a name to big for her" NO NO NO SHE WAS MUCH MORE THAN THAT, everything she stand foor was throw in the trash with that. "IF I EVER GET A SECOND CHANCE IN LIFE I WANNA LIVE FOR MYSELF" oh yeah i see that, you let yourself get eaten, the girl who has such a terrible past yet she fight to live, let herself be eaten becase she want to return her power, yeah seem legit. "LIVE YOUR LIFE WITH YOUR HEAD HELD HIGHT" she dies with her head dow. OK ISAYAMA. A character who did so much to Historia, to Sasha, even she saved Reiner and Berthold and u kill her like if it was just a character that appeared once. And now you put Reiner like a nice guy "woah you seemed like a guy everyone deppended on" woah reiner such a nice guy, now you can marry Historia and make a beautiful heterosexual ship, you totally deserve to live more, you that has killed thousand of innocents lives, you deserve to live more than Ymir, at the end she is just a poor girl with a name too big for her right? Yeah, dropped. sarroush said: What a shit chapter. He literally off-screen killed Ymir. What the fuck? I really hope there's a copout and she's in someway still alive, because regardless, this is just shit writing especially if he's planning on explaining it in a flashback, which we've had enough of already. If you're going to kill her off, at least make it meaningful. Why people so angry about offscreen death in SnK??? remember it's not the first time Isayama did it. Remember Marco? he died offscreen too but after several chapters, we knew what happened to him. This is the same case as Ymir, i'm pretty sure Isayama will give us a flashback about what happened with Galliard. |
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keragamming said: THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- woooo this chapter came out of nowhere, was not expecting it. I have to say this chapter was pretty good it allowed us to see the perspective of the marley and eldian side of things, and it was interesting. A bit disappointed that we still haven't return to our main group, but this chapter made up for it, and it seems Annie might be out of the crystal and is now helping Eren and company. I just can't wait to see how they look and what they have accomplished in these past 3 years. Also rip Ymir ;( You were one of my favorite female characters. Its also interesting that Zeke has two sons. I wonder if Eren has any by now? lol 5/5 No. Zeke has no sons; it's a wrong translation. Vigliucci said: There I was, with the feels after watching episode 5 of the second season and now we find out Ymir is dead. Well, I guess it makes sense for Marley to pass the power to a trained solider like Gaillard, who was also Marcels brother. Now that we know more about the shifters, i think this is the lineup: 1.Founding Titan: Eren (Paradis Team); 2.Attacking Titan: Eren (Paradis Team); 3.Colossal Titan: Armin (Paradis Team); 4.Female Titan: Annie (still encased or joined Paradis Team); 5.Armored Titan: Reiner, soon to pass on (Marley Team); 6.Beast Titan: Zeke, soon to pass on (Marley Team); 7.Jaws Titan: Galliard (formerly Ymir) (Marley Team); 8.Mule Titan: Piek/Pikku (Marley Team); So the 9th titan is still unidentified but it could either be on Marleys side or it could have tourned rogue and doesnt belong to any faction. And what about that Paradis panel with the Attacking and the Colossal? I guess that means Armin really turns into a Colossal sized titan. Can't wait for the next release. I love the theory that the Ackermans are the 9th titans. They're this type of titan that didn't fully developed, instead they became superhumans or something. DanRosenberg said: I don't understand this manga anymore. Re-read, I guess? Hahaha. :p Reading fan's interpretations on Reddit will help you. :) EXCUSE ME Y'ALL, but I wasn't expecting the mule/cart titan to be so gorgeous. Ugh. Pieck looks like an Ackerman. Oh shiz! |
     "Maybe he's trying to take a shit, but the shit just won't come out." Captain Levi, 2014 (／^-^)／☆♪  ♪☆＼(^０^＼) |
Zoos said: Idk about you, guys, but this chapter got me really emotional. I didn't expect Ymir's death off-screen, I grew to love her and it saddens me that she's gone now. She was a great character: Ymir was fundamental for Christa, she helped her to become Historia and accept herself and her real identity. And, c'mon, they were (correct me if i'm wrong here) practically canon. It's sad that they were torn apart from each other. At least, Ymir got to say goodbye to Historia with her letter. But it's just sad. Now, Reiner. I used to hate Reiner. He was mean and I didn't like him, especially the things he did after kidnapping Eren (and now I get to see it again because second season, yaaaay!). But he is just so f*cked up. I don't know if what he provokes in me is pity, but I don't hate him as much as before. He has PTSD, split personality, and tons of guilt. He got to see both sides of this war, he already lost so much. And I think he stopped being that cocky dude who used to think he was better than anyone else because he was the goddam Armored Titan. After Marcel saving his life and being devoured by Ymir, Annie being captured and with her destiny unknown, and Berthold killed in action, well, it's only natural that he's constantly haunted by their ghosts. But he now understands the horrible path a shifter has to walk, and he also now values life. That's why he makes Falco understand that if he wants to save Gabi, he has to obtain the Armored Titan's power for himself. Oh, and I love that he's so terrified of Levi and Mikasa that he has nightmares about them! I'm dying to see what's going to happen to Reiner's mind when he gets to see his former 104 companions. They were practically brothers and sisters for years, and he was somewhat free there. It's going to be interesting. Also, I' m hoping for an Historia/Gilliard encounter, that would be rather /interesting/. Yes, you're right. YumiKuri is so freaking canon. They're supposed to get married oh my god, but Ymir is dead now. I guess, we'll no longer see them two wearing their wedding gown or suit. ;-; This manga chapter broke me. I kinda see that Zeke and Reiner will betray the Marley, will side with the Eldians, but it's not going to be easy if they're planning to go back to the Paradis and ask the Survey Corps to help them defeat the Marley seeing that they killed A LOT of the people inside the walls. Freaking Zeke killed Erwin. Ugh. I can't wait for the next chapter. Lunoire said: rip ymir and to my yumikuri dreams We'll never see them two getting married and it hurts like hell. ;-; sarroush said: What a shit chapter. He literally off-screen killed Ymir. What the fuck? I really hope there's a copout and she's in someway still alive, because regardless, this is just shit writing especially if he's planning on explaining it in a flashback, which we've had enough of already. If you're going to kill her off, at least make it meaningful. Hey. There's a four year time skip, so definitely Hajime-senpai will show what happened during those years, and we'll see what exactly happened to Ymir. |
"Maybe he's trying to take a shit, but the shit just won't come out." Captain Levi, 2014 (／^-^)／☆♪ ♪☆＼(^０^＼) |
| Great chapter, we got more insight into the ranks of the Marley soldiers. Also remarkable that this chapter did a good job at summarizing everything what's going on, that's helpful especially for readers who are lost and didn't get the content. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| So Levi and Mikasa are somewhat related? So is Mikasa a foster child from the beginning or was she a superhuman made by scientists and given to a set of parents? |
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Nah... just the Ymir x Historia shippers : ) Honestly, even though she died off-screen I'm glad she is out of the picture. There's enough going on as it is already. |
ruben_666 said: About Ymir. People here are WAY overestimating her influence in the overall story. She NEVER was a major character, ever! She was completely secondary until the Clash of the Titans arc. Then she was revealed as a Titan Shifter, got kidnapped, and pratically disappeared again. Again: she is NOT a major character, at all. Plotwise, she got into the story by accidentaly eating a shifter, then we learned she was a human token goddess and that's it. She is far removed from the main storyline. The reason I think people are overestimating her influence is because of the second season of the anime, in which she is so present some people are falling under the influence of a cognitive bias which is preventing them from realising that Ymir is but a secondary character. People are just upset because their hopes for a yuri ship were dashed. Ymir's role was nowhere nearly significant enough to get her this many fans. I don't think anyone would mistake her for a major character, they just wanted a happy ending for her and Historia. It's been pretty obvious that wasn't going to happen though. |
| Reading this chapter after watching ep 5 of the anime was the biggest 'fuck you'. She deserved better, I hope that cult dies in a pit. |
idk why I was here but I'm prob back to playing Hunt: Showdown 1896 again when you read this |
| Blow my mind but that was no fun chapter , too much stuff happening why monkey is hero AoT is going downhill little bit with latest chapters , not much enjoyment . |
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hicham123olikjhg said: Eren has 4 years leftAN AWESOME CHAPTER. i loved it, specially all the new revelations, that's why attack on titan is one of the bests! Just one question, after the 4 years time skip, how many years does erren still have before he dies? |
| I think Zeke has his own agenda of sorts. He's not telling anybody he has royal blood, and still wants to attack Paradis. Reiner is doing the same; he wishes to end the Eldian cycle of becoming a shifter and dying judging by his words to Falco. Hmmm... Interesting chapter. |
| “Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!” -Donquixote Doflamingo, One Piece |
| Wait..Reiner Died? ....Noo Wayy....and Wait...Eren is Uncle? if Zeke is Father I mean... You are welcome to try conquer that Island....Eren and Co sure as hell have been training... Oh yes....Fleet of 32 Ships....Vanished..Oh yeas...please come Zeke and CO....this time you are not going to get away....You will die on Paradise... Ymir....She is dead....eaten....goddammit knew it....Shit... Reiner is losing his freaking mind.... |
| Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.~Winston Churchill "Fate of the universe will be Decided as it SHOULD be, in MORTAL KOMBAT!" ~Elder Gods "Justice WILL Prevail?" "But OF COURSE IT WILL!! WHOEVER WINS, BECOMES THE JUSTICE!!!" ~Donquixote Doflamingo (King, Pirate, Shichibukai, Philosopher(?) (One Piece)) |
tirthasg said: Vigliucci said: The shifters are never equal, remember the diference between the Owl's, Grisha's and Eren's Attacking Titan. But they are indeed similar since they feature the specific titan aspects. So im guessing that the form of a titan shifter is a mix between his mindless titan form and the characteristics of the shifting titan he ate. Gaillard's titan is different from Ymir's titan in looks, but it is small (im guessing 10-13 meters) and extremely quick and agile. For a more specific answer we have to wait until we see new people with the titans we already know (Beast, Armored) and how Armin's form incorporates characteristics of the Colossal. Ah! I see! If that's the case we might get to see a blond Colossal titan soon! Plus something about Galliard getting his brother's Jaw from Ymir...what ever that even mean... |
| Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.~Winston Churchill "Fate of the universe will be Decided as it SHOULD be, in MORTAL KOMBAT!" ~Elder Gods "Justice WILL Prevail?" "But OF COURSE IT WILL!! WHOEVER WINS, BECOMES THE JUSTICE!!!" ~Donquixote Doflamingo (King, Pirate, Shichibukai, Philosopher(?) (One Piece)) |
Jarjaxle said: No Reiner is not dead and Zeke isn't a father. Idk what version you read, but mangastream has the better translations.Wait..Reiner Died? ....Noo Wayy....and Wait...Eren is Uncle? if Zeke is Father I mean... You are welcome to try conquer that Island....Eren and Co sure as hell have been training... Oh yes....Fleet of 32 Ships....Vanished..Oh yeas...please come Zeke and CO....this time you are not going to get away....You will die on Paradise... Ymir....She is dead....eaten....goddammit knew it....Shit... Reiner is losing his freaking mind.... |
| For those saying the outcry about Ymir is only from shippers. I am not and the biggest problem I have with her death is the big contrast between the speech she gave in the last episodes of the anime (2nd season) and the fate she chose, which are complete opposites. The timing manga - anime is this regard is almost hilarious at how bad the writing is, just on this (secondary) matter. MantaBaby said: So Levi and Mikasa are somewhat related? So is Mikasa a foster child from the beginning or was she a superhuman made by scientists and given to a set of parents? Levi and Mikasa are distant cousins if I'm not mistaken (Levi through his mother and Mikasa through her father). All the Ackerman are supposed to be stronger, have more reflexes and their memory can't be erased by the king/coordinate titan's power. We don't know much as to why this bloodline is "superior". In this chapter it's hinted it's related to Titan's "technology". We'll learn more later probably. |
| So the Jaw titan was Ymir's titan all along? So we have only know 8 titans, and there's another one somewhere? Either the story is confusing, or the translations are crappy so far. Honestly I do not like the story so far. I was okay with introducing the continent until Owl's death, but afterwards it seems too much. I don't really care about Marley people and their perspective, especially about those kids' life and such. I prefer to see only a bit of the story of the opposing side as well, but so far it looks so dull for me. |
ruben_666 said: Ysad_Ziwezhan said: For those saying the outcry about Ymir is only from shippers. I am not and the biggest problem I have with her death is the big contrast between the speech she gave in the last episodes of the anime (2nd season) and the fate she chose, which are complete opposites. The timing manga - anime is this regard is almost hilarious at how bad the writing is, just on this (secondary) matter. You are getting way ahead of yourself. You can't, by no means, state Ymir's death was bad writting since you (as the rest of us) have absolutely no idea about where this story is heading. It makes no sense to me how you can label something as bad writting in this context. Just wait and see what happens before you jump to such judgement. The "logic" behind her decision was reveled in the 50.5 chapter 3 years ago already. It's not like he can rewrite it. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1140369 When you think that Berthold and Rainer never came to save Ymir, it was just pure luck and an accident that she got the shifting power, so there was no reason to give it back and then when you think that giving Marley the dancing titan's power back is also something that endangered even more her beloved Historia on the long term, not speaking about simply the possibility of living longer (quite the strange concept, I know) it is really laughable "logic". But sure, I'll wait to see how, from Ymir point of view, it was the best thing to do in order to save Historia, maybe Marleyan are good people who just want to save the latter. My guess : Isayama just didn't want to put a second titan on Eren's side yet, he's the MC after all, it's better if he is the only one who can shift, and having a lovey-dovey yuri couple would have not fit well with the tone of the manga. Getting rid of Ymir made sense, however the way he did it wasn't good writing IMO, ... so far. Actually one way to save this would be the theory that Zeke wants the coordinates to restore Eldians supremacy (or save all eldians) and put Historia on the throne or himself or at least has no intention to arm her. If Ymir could have known that, then maybe, it could make sense. |
SCkayDj said: Guys does anyone know what Zeke meant when he said,"But the one that will stop Grisha Yeager's plan will not be me,but my son."?? because Zeke is about to die? remember the lifespan of Titan shifters are low and also Zeke plans to pass his Beast Titan power to his son |
i got no idea sorry, maybe wait for others to answer you there |
SCkayDj said: bad translations, read mangastream's one. It is not "but my son" it's by his former son in the context of Zeke himself. Zeke's line from Mangastream "It's only natural that the one to put a stop to it would be me, his former son"Guys does anyone know what Zeke meant when he said,"But the one that will stop Grisha Yeager's plan will not be me,but my son."?? |
Salamander2170May 3, 2017 4:01 PM
j0x said: Zeke doesn't have a sonSCkayDj said: Guys does anyone know what Zeke meant when he said,"But the one that will stop Grisha Yeager's plan will not be me,but my son."?? because Zeke is about to die? remember the lifespan of Titan shifters are low and also Zeke plans to pass his Beast Titan power to his son |
sim0n2170 said: j0x said: Zeke doesn't have a sonbecause Zeke is about to die? remember the lifespan of Titan shifters are low and also Zeke plans to pass his Beast Titan power to his son the scanlation i have read is wrong then if that is true |
j0x said: Read Mangastream's version it's much bettersim0n2170 said: Zeke doesn't have a son the scanlation i have read is wrong then if that is true |
Jeminemm said: So Ymir stole the Jaws titan from Galliard's brother, and now Galliard has it. I'm confused. Ymir's titan looked nothing like Galliard's. Her titan looked exactly the same before and after eating Galliard's brother, the only change was that she gained consciousness and her human form back. The only reason I'm confused by this is because what if, for example, Ymir ate Bertholdt instead. Would her titan stay the same, or would it become huge because she just ate the Colossal Titan. Or would she be the same small titan that can just emit steam from her tiny colossal titan body? lol. Eating a titan user should give you their abilities, so why was Ymir's unchanged after eating Marcel? Would her titan stay unchanged if she were to eat Reiner's or Bertholdt's? It's coming off as inconsistent so maybe I'm missing something. Somebody please help and explain this All I can think of is bad writing/drawing on that part. Or you can say that Ymir did not change much after eating Galliard's Brother and his Titan shift power. |
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