| *I understand that they relied on the concept of black hole and used "bermuda triangle" as a mean to send those letters but how did they do it?isn't it surprising that each of their past selves got the letters without any hesitation,is it miracle? *And do you think they were utterly sure that it wasn't a futile try and this letters would reach to their past. *despite the open ending,we aren't completely sure that kakeru would survive in this timeline as well, who knows his suicidal tendencies might hit him again and you can clearly see the future noah said that "i'll save you again and again" which somehow implies us that there is possibility for that. *And do you guys think kakeru will end up with noah in this timeline or will she choose suwa over here as well? |
R_TFJul 23, 2016 5:18 AM
RoyTF said: *I understand that they relied on the concept of black hole and used "bermuda triangle" as a mean to send those letters but how did they do it?isn't it surprising that each of their past selves got the letters without any hesitation,is it miracle? I think the author really meant to make it kind of a miracle. There are unexplainable things in the world, aren't there? :) *And do you think they were utterly sure that it wasn't a futile try and this letters would reach to their past. How could they be sure? There was only hope in their minds, as I see it. They truly believed that if there was a chance to save Kakeru at least in another universe, then they should give it a try. *despite the open ending,we aren't completely sure that kakeru would survive in this timeline as well, who knows his suicidal tendencies might hit him again and you can clearly see the future noah said that "i'll save you again and again" which somehow implies us that there is possibility for that. I am sorry, but I did not see an open ending in this manga. Everything seems clear. Well, at least for that moment of their lives. We cannot be sure whether Kakeru did not attempt suicide in the future, but who can be sure of the future in the first place? If you call it an open ending, then every manga has an open ending :) I mean we cannot know for sure that our favorite characters do not die of some illness or get into a fatal accident. That is just life. *And do you guys think kakeru will end up with noah in this timeline or will she choose suwa over here as well? Here I do not even know what to say to you... The author stated pretty directly that there are two parallel universes now: the one with Kakeru dead and Naho being married to Suwa and the one with Kakeru alive and Naho dating him (for now). Actually, I am personally very bothered by the fact that Kakeru's mom committed suicide in order to free her son of her as a burden and even wished him fun. That was a cruel thing to do, and I totally understand the weight of Kakeru's feeling of guilt. Who does that? I feel so bad for the boy... |
| @windmillness Indeed,there's numerous possibilities for future,we never know what will happen. Anyway,thanks you for your time :) |
| @RoyTF, no problem ;) And what do you think about Kakeru's mother? Her actions, her unsent message, etc. |
| @Windmillness It would be wrong if we're to blame her solely for the action and it's not like she didn't loved her son,She deeply cared for him and kakeru understand that once she was gone,which made him mentally unstable as he took all the blame himself. Only if the communication between them was better and about the message,she thought she was getting in her son way but that was totally wrong. The reason kakeru was told not to join any club coz he was bullied previously and she doesn't want him to go through the same experience again. Depression is a serious issue and it's highlighted in the manga impeccably. |
RoyTF said: @Windmillness It would be wrong if we're to blame her solely for the action and it's not like she didn't loved her son,She deeply cared for him and kakeru understand that once she was gone,which made him mentally unstable as he took all the blame himself. Only if the communication between them was better and about the message,she thought she was getting in her son way but that was totally wrong. The reason kakeru was told not to join any club coz he was bullied previously and she doesn't want him to go through the same experience again. Depression is a serious issue and it's highlighted in the manga impeccably. I see your point. I wish we got more insight into her personality. I guess she was very lonely and the lack of understanding with her son made her really depressed. If she had someone who offered her help and support like Kakeru's friends did, maybe she could have a reason to live in, maybe she could become stronger. |
| Manga was pretty short so we can't complain much,even enough space wasn't given to rest of the side characters. You never know,someone might be able to help her in another parallel timeline like kakeru's friends did. It's up to our imagination what we think :) |
| First of all, they weren't really sure it will go back to the past or that their past selves will received their letters and follow their advice and save Kakeru. It is all about "what if's" - "what if this thing really work? then we can save Kakeru" To be honest... To me all of them were all able to move on from what happened to Kakeru, except Naho. Kakeru is one of their friends and they regret not being able to save him. However they were only able to spent time with him "for a while". So even though they feel bad about what happened to Kakeru, they were able to move on. But to Naho it's different, Kakeru was her first love and there are lots of things that she wish she had said and done. Out of them all, she's the one who have the biggest regret that's why she couldn't move on and I think her friends knew about it. To me Naho is the one who couldn't move on and because of that, she's also pulling her friends with her so that she will not be the only one who will remember Kakeru. I remember this scene where one of her friends said something about that. That even though they feel bad about what happened to Kakeru, they should move on, but Naho scolded him. So for me, she's the only one who can't move on and she's only pulling her friends to join her with her regrets. That's why Suwa had that "idea" of sending those letters to the past. This is something impossible and none of them knew or sure that their past selves will be able to receive those letters. For me Suwa only did that, to give Naho a reason to have a peace of mind. For her to be able to move on thinking that somewhere out there, may it be in the past or in the other world, Kakeru will be saved. That her "other self" will be able to do the things she didn't do, say the things she didn't said and save him from his despair and death. So Suwa asked them to send those letters without the guarantee that it will really be sent. Because like you said "it's something impossible" or it can only consider as something like "miracle". They don't know whether their past selves will received it and that they may save Kakeru. That's why in the end of the manga. We saw Naho being able to move on and look happier compared to when the manga started. Again -they didn't know that their past selves received those letters and that they were able to save Kakeru and that Naho and Kakeru ended up together. Until the end they were never able to find out. However it helped Naho to move on and have a peace of mind, knowing that somewhere out there they will be able to save Kakeru and make him happy. But to tell you the truth. One thing that I didn't like about the ending was the fact that Kakeru and Naho ended up together in that second world. I wish the author, let them save Kakeru and live happily with his friends without the need for him and Naho ending up together. About the baby: it can also be that baby is also Kakeru (reborn/reincarnation) so the equivalent exchange for Kakeru's life is also his own life. The present Kakeru live so Naho and Suwa's son will not exist (since he do not need to be reborn). While the Kakeru in the other world was dead and so he was reborn as Naho and Suwa's son - this is what I like to think. |
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| @Nunnally03 It would be wrong to say that naho wasn't able to move on from that incident,indeed she did and had a child with suwa but the regret always remained and you never know what will happen in future,she might end up with suwa in this timeline as well :) Btw,thanks for your reply,it was helpful :) |
| @RoyTF: Yes we cannot tell what will happen in the future. But since that is the ending that the mangaka gave us. I can only think of think of it as the final. Because if we will think of what might happen in the future that we will never see. Then there are lots of things that can happen in the future. You said: *despite the open ending,we aren't completely sure that kakeru would survive in this timeline as well, who knows his suicidal tendencies might hit him again and you can clearly see the future noah said that "i'll save you again and again" which somehow implies us that there is possibility for that. Yeah me too. I didn't really see that Kakeru was completely healed. For me it's just like he found a new reason to live. But what will happen once that reason to live is gone? If Naho died before him, then he will go back to being suicidal again. Let's say He and Naho ended up together and have a child. What if during that time, Naho died... then what is he going to do? he will go back to being depressed or worst case scenario he might go back to being suicidal - I just seriously hope that he will not do the same mistake that his mother did. - This kind of thing can also happen in the future, right? But since this is only a manga. We can only accept the ending that the author gave us, as the final end. |
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| @Nunnally03 Indeed,there're numerous possibilities for that but let's hope for the best possible future for him and considering the length of the manga,we can't complain much although i would've loved a bit more conclusive ending,still i was happy that he was saved :) |
Nunnally03 said: First of all, they weren't really sure it will go back to the past or that their past selves will received their letters and follow their advice and save Kakeru. It is all about "what if's" - "what if this thing really work? then we can save Kakeru" To be honest... To me all of them were all able to move on from what happened to Kakeru, except Naho. Kakeru is one of their friends and they regret not being able to save him. However they were only able to spent time with him "for a while". So even though they feel bad about what happened to Kakeru, they were able to move on. But to Naho it's different, Kakeru was her first love and there are lots of things that she wish she had said and done. Out of them all, she's the one who have the biggest regret that's why she couldn't move on and I think her friends knew about it. To me Naho is the one who couldn't move on and because of that, she's also pulling her friends with her so that she will not be the only one who will remember Kakeru. I remember this scene where one of her friends said something about that. That even though they feel bad about what happened to Kakeru, they should move on, but Naho scolded him. So for me, she's the only one who can't move on and she's only pulling her friends to join her with her regrets. That's why Suwa had that "idea" of sending those letters to the past. This is something impossible and none of them knew or sure that their past selves will be able to receive those letters. For me Suwa only did that, to give Naho a reason to have a peace of mind. For her to be able to move on thinking that somewhere out there, may it be in the past or in the other world, Kakeru will be saved. That her "other self" will be able to do the things she didn't do, say the things she didn't said and save him from his despair and death. So Suwa asked them to send those letters without the guarantee that it will really be sent. Because like you said "it's something impossible" or it can only consider as something like "miracle". They don't know whether their past selves will received it and that they may save Kakeru. That's why in the end of the manga. We saw Naho being able to move on and look happier compared to when the manga started. Again -they didn't know that their past selves received those letters and that they were able to save Kakeru and that Naho and Kakeru ended up together. Until the end they were never able to find out. However it helped Naho to move on and have a peace of mind, knowing that somewhere out there they will be able to save Kakeru and make him happy. But to tell you the truth. One thing that I didn't like about the ending was the fact that Kakeru and Naho ended up together in that second world. I wish the author, let them save Kakeru and live happily with his friends without the need for him and Naho ending up together. About the baby: it can also be that baby is also Kakeru (reborn/reincarnation) so the equivalent exchange for Kakeru's life is also his own life. The present Kakeru live so Naho and Suwa's son will not exist (since he do not need to be reborn). While the Kakeru in the other world was dead and so he was reborn as Naho and Suwa's son - this is what I like to think. I just finished reading the manga and this enlightened me a lot. Naho's letter is longer compared to her friends. Her friends only got 5 pages of letter but Naho got 10. Naho's letter is all about her regrets with Kakeru, but her friends regrets are not only about Kakeru but also about Naho. They regret not being able to support both of them. Even Suwa's letter was also about that. They regret not being able to support their love. Yes lol, in order to gain something an equal value must be lost lol Suwa had to sacrifice his future with Naho in order for Naho and Kakeru to have a future together. He had to sacrifice his feelings for Naho in order for Naho and Kakeru's feelings to keep growing. The future Suwa lost Football and have Naho but this present Suwa will lose Naho and have the football instead. Just like what the glasses guy said... Kakeru became the first placer in relay even though he should be the second.. but since they changed the future, the real first placers became the second placer instead. So in order to gain something, sn equal value must be lost. About the baby.. I was also thinking the same since there are lots of parallel with Kakeru and the baby. http://mangafox.me/manga/orange_takano_ichigo/v05/c020/3.html http://mangafox.me/manga/orange_takano_ichigo/v05/c022/24.html http://mangafox.me/manga/orange_takano_ichigo/v05/c020/3.html There are lots more of that. Suwa is the man for me. I really wish we could see what happened to him after the manga ended. I really want to see him happy as well, not just by our imagination but in manga. I thought at first that Kakeru and Naho's relationship will not be healthy, because Naho will always have to worry about Kakeru. Some people says that what Kakeru need is professional help, but we all know that professional doctors doesn't help all the time when it comes to depression. That's why even some of those who take medicine and have frequent visits to doctors for their depression still end up killing themselves or doing something worst. Like what Naho said, what Kakeru need is for his heart to be healed and that's what every depressed people really need. People who can be there for them, people who will not judge them by knowing their problem, people who will try to understand them, to support them and know that they are needed. But depressed people also have to do something, they too have to help themselves, they too need to get stronger and talk to others about their problem. I love this manga. I just really wish they will continue for more. |
CuebeeAug 11, 2016 6:28 PM
| *Yawn* Not gonna argue again with a stupid troll. |
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