There was a certain scene which made me think that Koyomi cares about Shinobu much more than about Hitagi. It was in 7th episode, when the old building was on fire and Koyokoyo said "there's only one person I want to die together with. The blonde oddity". I always thought he was attached to her by their special bond, but all the lovey-dovey left to Gahara-san. And the quote ruins the romantic lovers' death.
What do u think?
Kropiciel said: There was a certain scene which made me think that Koyomi cares about Shinobu much more than about Hitagi. It was in 7th episode, when the old building was on fire and Koyokoyo said "there's only one person I want to die together with. The blonde oddity". I always thought he was attached to her by their special bond, but all the lovey-dovey left to Gahara-san. And the quote ruins the romantic lovers' death.
What do u think?
I think this was quite obvious a while ago. He has a very special bond with Shinobu, but it can never develop into a truly romantic relationship, given that she's a vampire and he's a human, meaning he'd still need an actual human partner to form an even deeper relationship with, hence why he has Hitagi to make actual love to.
Besides, Hitagi herself shows a lot of signs that she's all too aware of this. After all, if he could do with Shinobu what he could, or would want to do with Hitagi, why would the latter have any reason to stick with Koyomi, when she could easily find another guy (or girl, if she so prefers) with whom she could form a truly romantic relationship with, when we know that Hitagi is possessive and gets jealous easily? The only reason I can think of why she hasn't left him is because she doesn't see Shinobu as a rival in terms of romance.
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I get that Hitagi is with Koyomi because she understands the situation between him and Shinobu.
I get that he needs an actual human partner.
However, what I don't get here is why he doesn't think about her love when he's about to die. Is a relationship with Hitagi just to pass time for him? Every normal person would think about his/her love when death's knocking. Why doesn't he?
Does he treat her like he doesn't really feel anything towards her? I highly doubt it, because he shows his affection from time to time.
Or maybe producers thought it was a part about Shinobu so Koyomi should mention the blonde oddity, and forget about Gahara? Imo it isn't natural
Kropiciel said: I get that Hitagi is with Koyomi because she understands the situation between him and Shinobu.
I get that he needs an actual human partner.
However, what I don't get here is why he doesn't think about her love when he's about to die. Is a relationship with Hitagi just to pass time for him? Every normal person would think about his/her love when death's knocking. Why doesn't he?
Does he treat her like he doesn't really feel anything towards her? I highly doubt it, because he shows his affection from time to time.
Or maybe producers thought it was a part about Shinobu so Koyomi should mention the blonde oddity, and forget about Gahara? Imo it isn't natural
i think you got it wrong. he wants to die with shinobu because if he dies, she also does.
hitagi on the other hand can continue living even without him....
for example a surrounded soldier under enemy fire probably wants to die with his comrades/friends and not with his wife and children
Kropiciel said: I get that Hitagi is with Koyomi because she understands the situation between him and Shinobu.
I get that he needs an actual human partner.
However, what I don't get here is why he doesn't think about her love when he's about to die. Is a relationship with Hitagi just to pass time for him? Every normal person would think about his/her love when death's knocking. Why doesn't he?
Does he treat her like he doesn't really feel anything towards her? I highly doubt it, because he shows his affection from time to time.
Or maybe producers thought it was a part about Shinobu so Koyomi should mention the blonde oddity, and forget about Gahara? Imo it isn't natural
i think you got it wrong. he wants to die with shinobu because if he dies, she also does.
hitagi on the other hand can continue living even without him....
for example a surrounded soldier under enemy fire probably wants to die with his comrades/friends and not with his wife and children
Oh, I think I didn't acknowledge the fact that if one of them dies, they both die. The thing with soldiers really showed me my horrible mistake, thanks a lot!
I don't like to spoil but the relationship between Hitagi and Araragi is a FRAUD. It fits well with Hitagi's character being a FAKE(CON) & a LIAR. It is not her fault, It is just how the author sets her character. Hitagi&Araragi has something good at bake but after that, Shinobu''s hold on Araragi escalated more and more. By that time Tsubasa confesed, Shinobu already got a full hold on Ararargi being the GIRL he loves more than her.
---- MASSIVE SPOILER ----
He is not human nor does he intend to be until the end. I also thought that way because he said that he wants to live a normal human life but in the end he threw his humanity away just to be with Shinobu. That throws of the possibility of him being married and have normal human children.
About the reason or premise that one has to die in order to regain their true form. Ararargi:Human and Shinobu:Vampire. That is not the case anymore after the events in OUGI DARK. Each already gained their true form. Araragi is fully human and Shinobu is fully the legendary vampire. Shinobu has an option to be a God so she does not need to be hunted and Araragi will be fully human but that did not happen they just can't live without the other. They both decided to restore their so called PAIRING. Mayoi instead became the God. That is not so that Mayoi could stay because they could always make a doll that connects Mayoi to the real world like Tadatsuru.
With the last pairing, the reason for them hating each other and not be able to be happy is null and void. The last pairing they have is like a consensual marriage. For better or for worst till death do us apart. That seals the deal who ends up being together. Anything in between, that is the harem or even the so called lover, is simply there to entertain the audience.
Deciding whether to pair again or not is implicitly deciding who will you marry or who do you loved most. Shinobu or Hitagi&etc..? We got the answer.
Shinobu > Hitagi&etc..
During the fight between the First minion, he was also given a choice between these three and it ended like this:
Shinobu > Tsubasa > Hitagi
In fact, he never went to Hitagi, Kanbaru went in his place.
When their pairing was gone due to the darkness, Araragi could not contain himself. It is as if him part of him died and he needs to see and be with Shinobu again. You could see how bad he feels when he says that he needs to deeply APOLOGIZE to her. Shinobu on the other hand, yet calm, also want to be with him also. It does not appear that romantic because both handled it maturely. We can confirm that Shinobu also felt that something in her died when she lost Araragi in the other world. Kiss-shot from the other world explained clearly how she felt when she lost Ararargi.This lead to her saying.
S: Best you be careful so that doesn't happen to you.
S: Now that I know that if you die, I'm very likely to destroy this world.
S: I guess from now on you should consider how you're going to fight.
That is not fatherly,motherly,sisterly,brotherly or even friendly at all. It is like, even if the world crumbles and all be gone as long as he is with Shinobu/Kissshot he could go on living. This has been proven in Majoi Jiangshi. It was ok for him to live the rest of his life with Shinobu even if it just the two of them - survivors as he termed. He never felt any lost with the rest being gone, not even his own family. Of course he wants to know the reason why it happened but that is all. Also during that time they agree while in lovers hold.
S: Indeed, Such Words! Well, since we're together in death, I guess we're even closer together in life.
A: That sounds good.
LET'S CREATE, THE FUTURE.
If it still not enough, just watch their intimate kiss when Araragi tries to calm Shinobu. I've never seen him kissing anyone no not even that intimate. The pairing between them going both ways explains why it appears to feel really good as seen when Shinobu's mind wend blank for a while and Araragi hugs her tighter&closer to him.
People should just stop saying that they are not sexually attracted to each other. Just look at how passionately he holds her from time to time. They are the only one who have the most physical contact or even skin-ship than any of the characters here.
If one feels excited, the other one will feel excited too even if it is sexually. That is how their pairing works. Seeing how perverted Araragi is, how to you think Shinobu is able to handle that? Shinobu is a full grown adult woman inside too. It only takes a few drinks of Araragi's blood and she could turn into a teenage Girl, if form is the problem. As others said, Araragi could even do it with her in her loli form given his personality.
About the question on the immortality of Araragi. It is already obvious. Immortality is just an effect or result of the tremendous healing ability of vampires. As long as both of them are alive, they will not die.
More than half of Araragi's body is already Shinobu's flesh&blood after Kizu so I'm amazed why he still say that he is even human or even stay as a vampire-human hybrid. It was hypocrisy when he said to Tsubasa that she has no longer the right to call herself human when she surrendered herself to an apparition.
Shinobu already foreshadowed this at Nise that it would be about 100 or 400 years or maybe beyond.
Nadeko - She verbally harassed her so she would take her hands off Araragi characterizing her as DEVILISH and on the second time she goes as much as to persuade her to eat the talisman so she could devour her (but failed). She goes YANDARE.
Mayoi - Slightly hinted using VAMPIRE PUNCH! She was lucky that Shinobu's paring was lost when he kissed Araragi. I'm not sure what would happen.
Ononoki - Goes verbal on how she feels about his harem which led Araragi kissing her.
Hitagi - Silent treatment. Consider her as no threat or no competition. Probably ordered Araragi to avoid any sexual activity with her which explains the odd actions Araragi makes whenever Hitagi sexually assaults him.
Hanekawa - I'm not sure but she is probably the one giving information to Shinobu like the Donuts sale or the activity of Araragi's Harem.
Kanbaru - The one who knows the relationship between Shinobu&Araragi the most. I think Shinobu just thinks that she is a joke being too perverted and all. Also she knows Araragi is avoiding her assaults so no need to worry.
Koyomi's Sisters-She seems to be lenient to them and also avoids them since she could not let them know anything about the oddities side of Araragi. Though I hope in the future, Araragi would introduce Shinobu to his family.
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woodthing97 said: I don't like to spoil but the relationship between Hitagi and Araragi is a FRAUD. It fits well with Hitagi's character being a FAKE(CON) & a LIAR. It is not her fault, It is just how the author sets her character. Hitagi&Araragi has something good at bake but after that, Shinobu''s hold on Araragi escalated more and more. By that time Tsubasa confesed, Shinobu already got a full hold on Ararargi being the GIRL he loves more than her.
---- MASSIVE SPOILER ----
He is not human nor does he intend to be until the end. I also thought that way because he said that he wants to live a normal human life but in the end he threw his humanity away just to be with Shinobu. That throws of the possibility of him being married and have normal human children.
About the reason or premise that one has to die in order to regain their true form. Ararargi:Human and Shinobu:Vampire. That is not the case anymore after the events in OUGI DARK. Each already gained their true form. Araragi is fully human and Shinobu is fully the legendary vampire. Shinobu has an option to be a God so she does not need to be hunted and Araragi will be fully human but that did not happen they just can't live without the other. They both decided to restore their so called PAIRING. Mayoi instead became the God. That is not so that Mayoi could stay because they could always make a doll that connects Mayoi to the real world like Tadatsuru.
With the last pairing, the reason for them hating each other and not be able to be happy is null and void. The last pairing they have is like a consensual marriage. For better or for worst till death do us apart. That seals the deal who ends up being together. Anything in between, that is the harem or even the so called lover, is simply there to entertain the audience.
Deciding whether to pair again or not is implicitly deciding who will you marry or who do you loved most. Shinobu or Hitagi&etc..? We got the answer.
Shinobu > Hitagi&etc..
During the fight between the First minion, he was also given a choice between these three and it ended like this:
Shinobu > Tsubasa > Hitagi
In fact, he never went to Hitagi, Kanbaru went in his place.
When their pairing was gone due to the darkness, Araragi could not contain himself. It is as if him part of him died and he needs to see and be with Shinobu again. You could see how bad he feels when he says that he needs to deeply APOLOGIZE to her. Shinobu on the other hand, yet calm, also want to be with him also. It does not appear that romantic because both handled it maturely. We can confirm that Shinobu also felt that something in her died when she lost Araragi in the other world. Kiss-shot from the other world explained clearly how she felt when she lost Ararargi.This lead to her saying.
S: Best you be careful so that doesn't happen to you.
S: Now that I know that if you die, I'm very likely to destroy this world.
S: I guess from now on you should consider how you're going to fight.
That is not fatherly,motherly,sisterly,brotherly or even friendly at all. It is like, even if the world crumbles and all be gone as long as he is with Shinobu/Kissshot he could go on living. This has been proven in Majoi Jiangshi. It was ok for him to live the rest of his life with Shinobu even if it just the two of them - survivors as he termed. He never felt any lost with the rest being gone, not even his own family. Of course he wants to know the reason why it happened but that is all. Also during that time they agree while in lovers hold.
S: Indeed, Such Words! Well, since we're together in death, I guess we're even closer together in life.
A: That sounds good.
LET'S CREATE, THE FUTURE.
If it still not enough, just watch their intimate kiss when Araragi tries to calm Shinobu. I've never seen him kissing anyone no not even that intimate. The pairing between them going both ways explains why it appears to feel really good as seen when Shinobu's mind wend blank for a while and Araragi hugs her tighter&closer to him.
People should just stop saying that they are not sexually attracted to each other. Just look at how passionately he holds her from time to time. They are the only one who have the most physical contact or even skin-ship than any of the characters here.
If one feels excited, the other one will feel excited too even if it is sexually. That is how their pairing works. Seeing how perverted Araragi is, how to you think Shinobu is able to handle that? Shinobu is a full grown adult woman inside too. It only takes a few drinks of Araragi's blood and she could turn into a teenage Girl, if form is the problem. As others said, Araragi could even do it with her in her loli form given his personality.
About the question on the immortality of Araragi. It is already obvious. Immortality is just an effect or result of the tremendous healing ability of vampires. As long as both of them are alive, they will not die.
More than half of Araragi's body is already Shinobu's flesh&blood after Kizu so I'm amazed why he still say that he is even human or even stay as a vampire-human hybrid. It was hypocrisy when he said to Tsubasa that she has no longer the right to call herself human when she surrendered herself to an apparition.
Shinobu already foreshadowed this at Nise that it would be about 100 or 400 years or maybe beyond.
Nadeko - She verbally harassed her so she would take her hands off Araragi characterizing her as DEVILISH and on the second time she goes as much as to persuade her to eat the talisman so she could devour her (but failed). She goes YANDARE.
Mayoi - Slightly hinted using VAMPIRE PUNCH! She was lucky that Shinobu's paring was lost when he kissed Araragi. I'm not sure what would happen.
Ononoki - Goes verbal on how she feels about his harem which led Araragi kissing her.
Hitagi - Silent treatment. Consider her as no threat or no competition. Probably ordered Araragi to avoid any sexual activity with her which explains the odd actions Araragi makes whenever Hitagi sexually assaults him.
Hanekawa - I'm not sure but she is probably the one giving information to Shinobu like the Donuts sale or the activity of Araragi's Harem.
Kanbaru - The one who knows the relationship between Shinobu&Araragi the most. I think Shinobu just thinks that she is a joke being too perverted and all. Also she knows Araragi is avoiding her assaults so no need to worry.
Koyomi's Sisters-She seems to be lenient to them and also avoids them since she could not let them know anything about the oddities side of Araragi. Though I hope in the future, Araragi would introduce Shinobu to his family.
u have a point when it comes to Araragi & Shinobu there is love between them but also there is love between Hitagi & Araragi have u not seen Owarimonogatari S2 end? Hitagi & Araragi remain together cause they love each other, Araragi loves both Hitagi & Shinobu so their relationship isn't FRAUD