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InsertPriestHere said: CookingPriest said: What I like is the duality of her mother unplugging the amusphere. Because if this was nervegear, Asuna would be dead at that moment. IT really showcases how little she cares about her daughter's wellbeing or what she went through in SAO. I'm fairly certain she's well aware of the differences. And cares about her daughters wellbeing, just not about what Asuna wants to do/enjoys. ...Well, technically, caring about one means caring about the other. People aren't robots and your "well-being" doesn't mean "money and that's it", money helps but alone.... yeah. Not saying that she doesn't care about her daughter's wellbeing, but she cares about what SHE thinks her wellbeing is; that's good old projection because of her own past. Then again, she's still a bit misguided so there's that. It doesn't change the fact that she means well, but.......yeah. She doesn't seem so aware of the differences though, since for her it's pretty much the same thing as the nerve gear. Either that, or she's reaaally smart, or at least smart enough to think about Asuna's reaction trauma-wise when she says that "you should not even want to see this thing" (but then she'd be wrong to say that - given her mentality, it would be a good point for Asuna since it means that Asuna isn't "stuck in the past" and is moving forward despite the trauma, and it really looked more "wtf?" than something she was HAPPY about. ) Another thing that doesn't really work with the idea of her really "understanding" VR (she isn't bad per se, but she definitely have a lot of problems understanding some things) is how she reacts for the last time Asuna was late. If she understood that VR, and this include the fact that this is pretty much something with REAL people and all, then, given the importance she seems to give to ETIQUETTE, she SHOULD understand that politeness is important here too, just like in real life. You don't see someone face to face in a letter; but even before computers/VR, you still had to be polite with the other person despite this. That's proper etiquette. And something that is supposed to be very important, at least as much as what she's complaining about, in society and in the """"twisted"""" way she is trying to educate her daughter. She means well, but it's very clear that there are a LOT of things she doesn't understand, ESPECIALLY when it comes to hi-tech. Therefore I'd find it suspicious that she doesn't even know that VR could also be used for very serious things (they have been thinking for a while about medical uses for it in OUR world; and that's only one example. Let alone things like some company/things like the army that decided to recruit people on second life-style games) but know the technical specification on said thing; even moreso because Asuna had to tell her that no, this isn't like the nerve gear. Usually, when you don't care about something and can only spout cliches about it, you are not able to explain how the thing work in details, and since she doesn't even figure out why Asuna ISN'T traumatized by the amusphere, and NOT in the "my girl is so though!" way.... |
| Kirito like a boss steps in and prevents the other guild players from attacking Asuna's group. I was a bit surprised that Kirito stepped in. Not sure if Asuna told Kirito where she was at in the game. Yuuki's words gave Asuna the strength to keep fighting. From what I saw, it appears to me like Asuna will go on the offensive against her mom. Her mom needs to realize how Asuna feels. I think she fails to notice that ever since she returned from SAO she's been much happier away from home. |
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| I have a good chuckle when Kirito arrive. Just when I thought this would be the first episode w/o him, he show up in a epic way. |
Shock_Yin said: CookingPriest said: What I like is the duality of her mother unplugging the amusphere. Because if this was nervegear, Asuna would be dead at that moment. IT really showcases how little she cares about her daughter's wellbeing or what she went through in SAO. But the nervegear has it's own internal power source. So no pulling the plug wouldn't kill her or else everyone from Aincrad would have died, pay attention. There was a failsafe that you can't take off the power. Kayaba allowed to disconnect the main power for as long as to get people to hospitals. After that, pulling the plug was pretty much same as pulling the plug on one's life because inner powersource would be used to fry the brain. There were even deaths that happened from trying to just take off or disconnect nervegear. |
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| Great episode. I'm really liking Yuuki as a character. Kirito was pretty awesome at the end. |
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| Ok as much as Asuna's mom is bitch, she's not entirely wrong. Or to rephrase she wants to do the right thing for her child but her execution on that front is god awful. I mean when they had dinner last episode she spat out some awful and heartless stuff but at the same she asked Asuna an important question, along the lines of "what are you going to do with you're future?". And Asuna couldn't answer, and granted most people don't know what career they want when they grow up or what have you, but Asuna couldn't even decide if she wanted to go to college or not even though she is supposed to be smart enough for it and has the resources to attend. Look Asuna I agree that your mom has no say in who you date or marry but for fuck's sake you can't make a living simply by existing as Kirito's waifu. As much as the story seems to push us away from real life because of trauma or bad parents, if you spend all day in a VRMMO you will lose opportunities in the real world. So in this very small part of her concerns and actions Asuna's mom had a point. Also she said something this episode that made way more sense than most anything anyone else has said so far, "you lost two years of your life to this thing, you'd think you'd never want to see it again." This is something that the world should understand. Because the "we just survived a terrible death trap in a virtual game world, hey lets play some more games" attitude of everyone in the series is insane and messed up if you think about it for a minute. And put yourself in the mom's shoes for a minute. For two years your daughter was trapped in a coma like state because VRMMO's, can you in good conscience say that you want your daughter to go back into VRMMO's? Because if you answered yes you either have a lot of faith in your kid and how you raised them and I respect you for that, or you are a terrible parent who doesn't care about your kid's well-being and safety at all. So in conclusion Asuna's mom is a bitch and does things the wrong way but does have a few valid points or moments where I can sympathize with her, which is more than I can say for most people in this series. On the plus side the fighting animation improved from last episode and I will admit that this arc has done the best job by far of building tension and still managing to remain a game, so props there. |
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| Gah, the lack of inner monologues is actually annoying me now. There's only so much you can portray with just action. We get some, but it's like one random line in random moments. From the looks of it though, we can easily fit the rest of the arc with the last 4 episodes and have room leftover for that Alicization cliffhanger. I like how in the end though Kirito just came out of nowhere being a major badass lol. And unfortunately, Mother's Rosario was not able to escape A-1's obsession with asses. |
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| Okay episode. Yuuki is turning out to be my fav character. Sleeping Knights looks like a cool guild to be in. Just you and your friends having fun. More problems with Asuna and her mom. Kirito with the epic arrive, like always. 3/5. |
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| This arc is actually nice. Long time it happened that i want more from SAO ! |
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Antearion said: Sleeping Knights looks like a cool guild to be in. Just you and your friends having fun. I really wished it was that simple. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| I actually enjoyed the last part with Kirito stepping in. I personally can't remember if he helps them fight the boss or not... Can't remember from the LN. But yeah, really enjoyable episode overall. |
TyrelNov 22, 2014 1:02 PM
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| This episode was great...until Kirito showed up at the end. I hope he isn't here to save the day, like he usually does. Also, all the hinting going on in these threads is too much. :( |
| Fucking Kirito and is cool fucking entrance. |
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| There it is. Kirito to the rescue. Now we can finally see more PvP! |
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Takuan_Soho said: willardhwright said: She doesn't seem so aware of the differences though, since for her it's pretty much the same thing as the nerve gear. Either that, or she's reaaally smart, or at least smart enough to think about Asuna's reaction trauma-wise when she says that "you should not even want to see this thing"... If she understood that VR, and this include the fact that this is pretty much something with REAL people and all, then, given the importance she seems to give to ETIQUETTE, she SHOULD understand that politeness is important here too, just like in real life. ... She means well, but it's very clear that there are a LOT of things she doesn't understand, ESPECIALLY when it comes to hi-tech. Good points, but a couple of other points: 1) Asuna not showing up to dinner at the proper time would be like a kid not going home by their curfew, so not surprising that the Mother would be annoyed, VR or R. 2) Also, notice that they always eat alone. This is because the father is out trying to save the remnants of his company (the one who created ALO and the current VR gear as well as other things), so it isn't as if she has good thoughts about VR. This was why she was so keen on a family owned conservative business, the large company her husband owned nearly went bankrupt trying the "new" VR stuff. these two oints go together. Yes, they eat alone. Which means that it doesn't bother A LOT of people if she's a bit late. The point for e isn't about VR though, it's about politeness, which is imortant in RL AND in VR; it would have been the same way with RL friends; you don't kick people out from your window without a goodbye because of this; she was 5 mintes late, note 15. While as I said she means well, she is very hypocrite when it comes to politeness; "you have to be polite with me but not with your friends" isn't really proper manners for an high-class lady. 3) This ties into how VR interacted with Asuna's life. The Mother did not approve of Asuna's previous fiance, but because the father was so keen on the marriage, she had deferred to his decision, trusting that he knew what he was doing. Well that trust proved completely unfounded and her instincts completely correct, and now she has the guilt of having kept silent from the start. Considering that VR nearly took Asuna's life (in SAO) and soul (the fiance), one can see why she doesn't want to remain silent and let Asuna do what she wants. I'm not sure about the not approving thing. It's very easy to shift the blame; but then there is another problem: to her, Sugou wasn't good but she was okay because, whatever. It's very far from being a "strong woman" able to handle herself; once again, it goes against what she's trying to teach to Asuna. She isn't wrong, but she's clearly missing some things and doing it the wrong way. Which is understandable. But not "good" and something "normal" for a parent, that's something a parent must learn to do too. making concessions, because a parent isn't always right, and if he wants the best for his child, he must accept that he is sometimes wrong. I wouldn't say that she is a bad person, but she has an hard time seeing other people as... people other than herself. On top of that, Asuna's personality did change, and to date there is no reason why the Mother should think this is a good thing. Asuna was assertive, intelligent, outgoing, determined to do well with her life and career before SAO, but now she seems to be willing to settle, and is withdrawing into VR to avoid dealing with reality. It also hasn't been that Asuna has managed to help her mother understand this change, so it is easy to see why the mother is extremely worried about her. Yes and no. How Asuna was may have been a good thing for her parents, but not for her. SAO allowed her to care more about herself; which is just as important than the things before (and, well, Asuna STILL most of these things; being 5 minutes late because she has other people in her life than her parents doesn't make her rebellious. Also, the question is, how much of this "career" thing was of her own will, and how much was Asuna just accepting whatever her parents did put on her? Rather than a question about IR, that's a story about how teenager are; they slowly become more independant. It causes some problems, yes, but it's still something essential for an independant person's growth that any parent must be prepared to. Let's imagine that Asuna doesn't want to have such a "career" and that for her happiness = becoming a fish merchant in a small town. It's still her own life after all, and even if her mother doesn't like it because she herself has a problem with the fact that she's only "wealthy" because of her marriage, well... That's projection, you can have your preferences and you can try to talk about it with your children, but forcing them on your children is wrong. That's mainly just Asuna slowly becoming an adult thanks to her exeriences, something that happen every day even without VR. [/quote] Of course we sympathize with Asuna and find the mother overbearing, but it isn't like her mother doesn't have reasons for doing what she is doing. That is called parenting, sometimes it fails, but in the vast majority of cases, it is for the good. This is merely one of the exceptions. [/quote] Actually, in the last episode, I hated here but she's way better here, mainly because she at leasts LISTEN before saying "I'm your mother, shut up". It's still not perfect, but at least the character is evolving, too. Her mother HAVE reasons; but that's HER reasons, as I said, everyone have his own meaning for happiness, and accepting that yours isn't the same as your child is another iportant thing for a parent; or, honestly, for pretty much anyone toward the world. And I wouldn't call this parenting. This is bad parenting, from BEFORE the parent understand what it means to be a parent; a kid isn't a dog that have to obey everything because you say so, in the end a healthy family have to aknowledge differences and try to help the other person, being here EVEN if the person make something that is a mistake for the other one. People learn from their mistakes, not from following what you are said to do and not caring about what you want yourself. That's living as a bot, and it's certainly not the nicest way to live. Again, the character improves and she MAY at least try to understand her daughter soon, but parenting isn't forcing your kid to do what you want based on YOUR experiences or what YOU think. You can give them advices, but if you want something listening to you about anything, usually, you take a dog. Asuna's mom clearly means well. But as I said she has a very big problem; understanding that the whole world and all people don't work like her and don't aim for the same things, and it includes her daughter. In the end, everyone lives its own live, so trying to control anyone too much (and deciding of who you are supposed to marry IS too much, she may say that she is okay with what her daughter wants, but that's IF they have money; what if Asuna is okay with a modest life, and that's it? Everyone has different criterias when it comes to this) is just the best way to make them run away the moment they can. If Asuna is aimless now, it's very probable that the reason she wasn't before was only because she was listening to whatever her family said, OR that she lacked experience; you cannot judge by yourself if you don't have any experience and just believe what people say to you about the world. So this IS a good thing, because it proves that she now thinks by herself. She means well, but you clearly see that she does have some problems of her own that are making her really awkward and that she lacks parenting experience. If you REALLY go overboard with someone, they don't have to stay with you just because you're his parents, once they are of age, they are free to just go away. So forcing things this way, EVEN if Asuna's mother WAS objectively right,isn't the way to go in order to have a healthy upbringing, or an healthy family that doesn't split up, for that matter. Let's be honest though; this is a common cliche in fiction. And given what Asuna was thinking when Yuuki said that "some things can only be shared by fighting", I think that pretty much anybody can guess the whole "confront your mother" theme. With the "cliche" ending of this cliche that you'll find everywhere, her mother accepting that she decides to stand up for herself, etc. Which is pretty much what her mother wanted her to become (although again, this doesn't really fit with the Sugou thing - a strong, leader woman that doesn't approve of a man for her daughter, but decide that, well, whatever, and shut up just because her husband was okay with it? somewhere, a feminist is crying)...... The only thing is that standing up for yourself isn't really something you can learn by blindly following orders. Again, it's pretty much the average coming of age story you'll find everywhere, where both side are right in their own head but unable to understand each other. |
willardhwrightNov 22, 2014 1:39 PM
| That ending was pretty good, it got me pumped for next ep. Yuuki is one tough cookie starting that fight. Good old Kirito says hi in the end. Should be some good PvP next ep. |
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LastChapter said: Gah, the lack of inner monologues is actually annoying me now. There's only so much you can portray with just action. We get some, but it's like one random line in random moments. From the looks of it though, we can easily fit the rest of the arc with the last 4 episodes and have room leftover for that Alicization cliffhanger. I like how in the end though Kirito just came out of nowhere being a major badass lol. And unfortunately, Mother's Rosario was not able to escape A-1's obsession with asses. Monologues would definitely be a nice touch, but I've come to temper my expectations. They get their point across through the non-verbal parts (somewhat). At least the fanservice isn't excessive like in GGO :P |
| I can still remember imagining the vivid scenes while reading the LN back then during Kirito's sudden appearance. Great episode! Tyrel said: I actually enjoyed the last part with Kirito stepping in. I personally can't remember if he helps them fight the boss or not... Can't remember from the LN. But yeah, really enjoyable episode overall. |
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Antearion said: Sleeping Knights looks like a cool guild to be in. Just you and your friends having fun. You'll break your heart... |
| I love these eps with Asuna getting a lot of focus! :D |
therandomestguyNov 22, 2014 1:59 PM
| Kirito being badass as always! =D |
| I forget, but I think next episode is where Kirito Inb4 random people claims Kirito is hax and gary stu. |
| Sleeping Knights huh. When I see how fun that guild is it's makes me remember the guild that kirito joined in SAO and got the feels from that. Felt sorry about Asuna her mom ruining her life :( Yuuki is really awesome and cute :D this arc is really amazing. And dat Kirito at the end of the episode omg running on the wall like that and then saying: Sorry, This place is off-limits! So badass!! Can't wait for the next episode! |
| Just brilliant. Cant get enough of Yuuki <3 I love the reason why she didn't chose Kirito That Kirito at the end, tho. Pure badass I love how they show some inner monologues and development through scenery. Really well done, especially scenes with Asuna's mother. This bitch... |
TapuTapuuNov 22, 2014 2:19 PM
| Good episode. I really liked the ending when Kirito appears :) our OP guy. |
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| I see Kirito, Asuna, and Leafa's names on the memorial! o: |
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y123y said: Wait, why is Kirito OP like that compare to the other players? I thought that his abilities reset in ALO. Because he is playing this Avatar ever since, everything he learnt at Gun Gale will also apply, you'll see =) |
| Well dammit, now I can't wait to see the fight next ep. D: |
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| I still love the freakin' OP and ED. The feels. (T_T) So the Sleeping Knights is composed of Jun, Talken, Nori, Siune, Teechi, and of course, Yuuki. They want their names to appear on the Swordman's Memorial by fighting a boss as a single party. Also Kirito found out Yuuki's secret. Asuna's mother is still a dick, but I can see she's willing to listen to her daughter. Yes Asuna, don't run to Kirito with your problems. Floor 27 reminds me of old Aincrad's Floor 74. Aaaand there's another guild waiting to beat the boss. Oh god, Yuuki's so badass. But that's seven vs twenty-six (yes, I counted). Oh no, there's reinforcements. Wait, is that...? Hell yeah, Kirito entering like the badass he is! "Sorry, this place is off-limits." But my question is why the hell is Kirito here? Is he here because he's a lead group member who helps in boss fights or he's here to help the huge guild because they asked him to or maybe he knows or found out that Asuna, Yuuki, and the Sleeping Knights are here? Hopefully, he's here to stop the huge guild or at least hold them off. I really doubt he'll help in the boss fight though, especially since he knows Yuuki's secret. |
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| I was hoping Kirito would pull out Excalibur right there in the end to intimidate the f*ck out of that big guild |
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| Really liked this episode because I got to know Yuuki a bit better. Kiirito at the end doe xD That's quite badass i'd say. My predictions are that kirito is going to fight the players and let Sleeping Knights fight the boss. |
| Good episode, but it is frustrating that SAO seems to be entirely incapable of even going one episode without Kirito (although his brief appearance here was pretty badass). |
| Finally an IMHO somewhat decent episode again. Everything post-GGO bored me quite a bit so far. Maybe the final episodes will be more enjoyable for me again. |
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| I was hoping Kirito would come to save the day.... Pardon me while I fan girl. |
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| That was quite good. Fighting a boss raid in a party of 7 or fighting on a party of 40, I wonder which one is more exciting. Kirito appearing at the end was great. |
| I wonder if they are gonna show the brawl, or skip to them making a path and SK getting into the boss room? And i REALLY dont wanna watch Asuna's mom be a massive bitch for the rest of the arc. I hate the woman. |
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| After the last terrible arc we get a good episode. And a really good one at that. Yuuki is a cool character , same goes for her guild. Quite interested to see how they are all connected and how important it is for them to get their names engraved and all. I'm sure there should be some drama coming up (with Asunas mother too) but oh well. The action this episode man. Gotta say I never liked Kirito (neither disliked him on that case) but SHIT. He couldn't be more badass there no matter what. I seriously hate overpowered characters with tons of plot armor but I so wanna watch how he is gonna kick their ass all alone ^^ Can't believe I'm saying this but I seriously can't wait for the next episode. |
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