Akikan! Episode 9 Discussion

Torisunanohokori said:

^I was thinking the exact same thing. Yell is kinda like a lesbian Chi. Speaking of which, does what Najimi said to Yell mean that they're an official couple now?

noteDhero said:
I meant like during the party someone had a fight or a misunderstanding like always then people stormed out and the others went to go find them. Like how most party episodes go.

noteDhero said:
I agree with you completely, and I would venture to say that his episode was horrid. But honestly, the people who post in this discussion don't really want to see the show for any of its faults, so I've given up on trying to bring it up.

Swiftstylez said:
WTF LOL How is Chi a lesbian when she worked out that she wanted to be with Hideki? You may have a claim for bisexual, but even that is pulling at your freya fantasies.

Torisunanohokori said:

Which is precisely why you're bringing it up here and now. For the fourth time in this discussion alone. Hypocrisy much?

noteDhero said:
Huh?? When did I say anything about this episode being bad besides in that post? My previous comments were about liking Gigolo, the weirdness with the ending, Najimi being selfish, and wanting a separate costume party episode.

noteDhero said:
Wow that ending was so misplaced

noteDhero said:
(in response to a post saying it was shit) Lol, I know

noteDhero said:
I don't think I'm sidestepping the point. You said that I brought up the show being bad for discussion four times. Yet you can only give two "examples" where I'm talking about the ending in specific and agreeing to what Siva said. Moreover, once Swift told me that it had been brought up earlier in the episode it stopped there when I could have continued.

Now, don't try to start arguments over something like why I am watching a show. I'm not disrespectful towards anyone on this website, so as far as I'm concerned, I can post whatever I like. If you don't care to discuss the show, but rather talk about what you enjoyed, don't get mad at others for posting their confusion or any other (seemingly) passive aggressive comments.

noteDhero said:
(t)his episode was horrid

noteDhero said:
Yes, I have posted 4 times in this thread, and 2.5 posts have been about me liking Gigolo and my wanting a costume party episode separate from this episode.

It's not about talking about why a show is shit, or dissing fans. It's a fact that for whatever reason people are much more defensive in this discussion when I bring up ridiculous/bad things that happen in an episode and quickly jump as a defense mechanism to the trite "you don't have to watch it" than in any of the other shows. There is no room for talking about it in here.

It's not a diss, it's an observation. I met that observation by not saying anything overly negative/flameworthy since episode 4 or 5 with a slip up in episode 6.

I don't think I'm going past the point of bashing when I say this episode was horrid. If you would like to have a discussion on why I think so, I would be more than obliged to give my reasons.

noteDhero said:
Well, I do expect all of those things to happen, but it doesn't happen in this show. I'm fully prepared to explain myself, but like I said, every other time I've done that, I don't get discussion in response. There is relatively no discussion in Akikan's forum. It's a list of what each person liked in the episode. That's why this show (in my opinon) is bad. The show tries to do too many things while not having a discernable plot.

If you look at any of my other posts outside of Akikan (and Sora Kake Girl, which is almost just as bad), my blog entries, and my about me slot on my profile, then you'd see that I really like to discuss the good and bad points of shows that I like and dislike evenly. I thought that you knew that but I might be mistaking you with someone else who has the same avatar.

I don't know about Haruhi, since I haven't witnessed terrible discussion on it, but Clannad and Toradora can get ridiculous. The difference there is that for the most part, people come prepared with evidence from the show as well as personal feelings.

Torisunanohokori said:

I don't profile-stalk people or peruse their ratings, so that might be why I don't know your anime philosophy. I only know of you from the OO discussion. Where, granted, you have been fair enough if not always agreeable.

From what you're saying, it sounds like your main gripe is more with Akikan's lack of plot which merits a back-and-forth discussion. Typically, type-1 (depth-free, ep-by-ep) romcoms don't have the kind of plot which really merits discussion beyond saying what you did/didn't enjoy and ship wars. Akikan isn't really popular enough to have the shipper wars, so the posts have become largely lists of what viewers enjoy (and what they don't). True, there's also potential discussion in what makes the jokes funny, but those discussions bore people of any alignment.

Personally, I would have much liked a discussion tangent focusing on how having a confessed and OTT perv as the protagonist and the useless guy as the other male alters the traditional harem comedy dynamics (which is my main reason why, art aside, I enjoyed this show more than any recent purveyor of its genre). But there was too much bandying of clever jokes about the better-than-Ten art in the first several episode threads, and fans of the show's comedy did spend their time refuting that. So the time for discussion on series dynamics passed on without one occuring.

patient_senses said:
Najimi acted like a brat with her line of "If you collapse than there will be no one to be the maid" to keep Yell from getting a job.

noteDhero said:
Actually, it started out as a lack of plot, but as the episodes have gone on, it really is a lack of any depth at all. It's missing depth (or consistent thought, rather) in characters, plot, and tone. Like I said. This show tries to be an off-the wall comedy, then tries to be a sappy, heartfelt romance, and then tries to frame it all inside a high school shounen action show with elements of parody. However, since it didn't take care to introducing characters, everything except for the over the top comedy with Kakeru falls flat.

noteDhero said:
I tried to talk about it when they introduced that ridiculous backstory with Kakeru and Najimi, and again, no one cared to really discuss it. There is a terrible sense of pace when switching between tone and genre. The thought that you can just toss in something like "you saved me from gunpoint at school, because I'm really rich, and you shot the kidnappers" is crazy. And then to not really have that show up again is just a weird attempt at characterization.

crazy_eights said:
why is it so dumb.

"im such a vile person"

and who the hell complains about being lonely when the write all those txt messages but never sends them. also who's idea in the entire world would catch be throwing the ball away and then running after it. if you are going to play with a baseball bounce it or just throw it into the air and catch it.

kakeru being ridiculous is the only reason why i still watch it and this episode didn't have it. bah.

Torisunanohokori said:


Which is precisely why you're bringing it up here and now. For the fourth time in this discussion alone. Hypocrisy much?



I said Yell was "kinda like a lesbian Chi" i.e. what Chi would have been like as a lesbian (and her roomie were a girl and not a guy). I stand by my earlier statement. Obviously she's not a lesbian if she likes a straight guy, though it might be more ambiguous if it was Bunny-san.

noteDhero said:
That's also what I said earlier in the discussions. That Akikan would be a lot better if they stuck with the off-the wall humor led by Kakeru and sometimes shared with the gay guy and Gigolo. If the show didn't try to take itself as seriously as this and the previous episode and try to be more of a parody the effect of a lot of what's going on would be increased multiple times.

But that's what I'm saying. There were a million ways to try and characterize Kakeru that way without drastically changing the tone of the show. Those events cleary still had an affect on him given the way he reacted to Najimi's little stroll down memory lane. Why would you specificaly choose that dark of a flashback and then not roll with it. It was just terribly out of place.

But really though, what motivates Kakeru? It isn't his past, and it isn't sex (evidenced by the many times Najimi has forced herself on him). Those are the only two things we know about him. It's weird to be so in the dark about a main character.

noteDhero said:
Losing the sentimentality all together wasn't what I meant, but we definitely don't need two episodes in a row about relationshps. I agree with you're thoughts on the Tsundere formula, but with Kakeru most of that staleness could be avoided with a preverted comment.

Well, I haven't seen any of the shows you are talking about besides Golden Boy, and that show was absolute garbage. Much worse than Akikan, so bringing that up doesn't enforce anything positive for you in my mind. But I do somewhat understand what you are talking about, and for me, when the writing doesnt bother to give a proper understanding of the main character the show as a whole will fail to some degree. There is nothing wrong with characters being multi-faceted. Especially in comedy where there is a danger of them being one-note.

Again, I agree with you, but for this sake of a show, you have to go one of two directions: Go completely over the top, or do the drama/romance and make the characters more consistent. Toradora (up until the last few episodes) did a good job of making characters act impulsively but with consistency in their character.