Zettai Karen Children: The Unlimited - Hyoubu Kyousuke Episode 10 Discussion

Kannei said:
Awesome ep Love it that hyoubu still exepted Andys Help and drives with him Cant wait for the next ep

Mumble200 said:
I don't get how that guy who Hyoubu killed is still alive though.

XLNC said:
Nice to see a breather episode after last episode's intensity. Furthermore, we have the confirmation that Saotome is still alive.

Mumble200 said:
I don't get how that guy who Hyoubu killed is still alive though.

Mumble200 said:
Yugiri ;_;

I don't get how that guy who Hyoubu killed is still alive though.

Zee530 said:
Same here, i thought he was cut to pieces.

nina4life said:
Even though this episode was really good I still hate Andy for what he did. Hyoubu might forgive him, but I sure as hell won't.

And I just can't get over the fact a guy that was blown to pieces is alive. Hyoubu was angry, resurrected, under unlimited power, he blew captains body to pieces (or at least it was something similar that was shown) yet he lives. I don't mind guys surviving bullets, insane drops, even getting stabbed, especially if they're somehow connected to supernatural, but he's a normal guy that survived getting his body blown up.
I seriously doubt Hyoubu used any restrictions or limits when he attacked him. He used his full power due to his anger. I repeat, his full power!!! He can raze cities to oblivion when he gets serious, yet this completely normal guy survived that.

Now, I wouldn't even object to this if captain played some big role in this show, but he was in a total of 2 episodes, with no more than 10 minutes of screen time. He was never shown scheming or planning anything, but now all of a sudden he's the main villain? I'm sorry, but that just doesn't cut it for me. He's nobody for me. He's just someone from Hyoubus past that awakened Hyoubus power and is a motivator for Hyoubu. He's the reason Hyoubu is fighting now, NOT a main antagonist.
He already was antagonist, he's served his role, served it perfectly.

I'm sorry, but I just fail to see any reason to bring him back except to get Hyoubu really pissed off yet again.
Oh well, anime logic I guess. But a big shame, just when I thought they're going to really have great finale with good villain and some plot twists it gets the most standard ending ever. This is typical ending, nothing special or new, by-the-book. A guy trusts someone, he betrays him, gets killed but somehow survives. Same guy trusts someone new, gets betrayed again, but this time a traitor is sorry, he gets pardoned and helps main guy defeat first bad guy. It's so overdone in both tv shows and anime it hurts me to see it in a really good show such as this one.

Yea, sorry for the rant, but I guess I just feel really sad this show isn't going to end on such a high note it had throughout its duration. A shame, real shame.

nina4life said:
Actually, I think forgiving Andy and working with him would be a best test to Hyoubu. Facing same betrayal he had in the past happen again and being able to forgive a guy that is sincerely sorry and wants to help you would be greatest challenge to Hyoubu. They didn't need to resurrect a guy for that.
Captain was the reason Hyoubu wanted to get revenge on normals, he was the reason Hyoubu didn't trust them. Getting betrayed just like that once again, but now by a different guy and being able to finally forgive and move on would be the ultimate test for him. Again, no need to bring captain back. He served his role, he's done it flawlessly. He's in Hyoubus mind all the time, making him hate and making him angry. He should've stayed that way, psychological enemy, not physical one.

rodac said:

Not having seen the first series or read the manga, I'm judging this shearly on Unlimited, but it looks to me like if there is going to be any healing for Hyoubu it will be through the efforts of Fujiko and Kaoru. Fujiko as the big sister and Kaoru as more than simply a future queen--that scene in the forest certainly seemed to indicate she has some developing feelings for him.

HieiSetsunaShika said:
Honestly, when I first watched this episode, I was a little disappointed. The second time around was better, but I still feel that this has been the weakest episode so far.

I really loved the opening scene in the water, though I wasn't expecting Fujiko to save them, haha. At least not right away. There was a lot of BABEL in this episode, with focus on Kaoru, which I hated the first time around, but then I realized it was kind of important to show what their relationship is like, and how different yet similar they are. As for the blood transfusion thing, I wasn't buying it at first, but I guess it wasn't meant to be a permanent solution it only buys him time, so that's okay. I was severely disappointed that Andy wasn't chewed out more for, I dunno, sinking Kyosuke's ship and betraying them. He got off super easy, which was why it was difficult for me to accept the two of them teaming up at the end (even though I was rooting for them to work together). I mean, Kyosuke is definitely the kind of guy who sets him mind to something and thinks only of that - in this case Saotome - so I can see that he was way too distracted by the current plot twist to properly deal with Andy, but it still bugs me.

And thus we get to the punchline. Saotome. His return is definitely the worst thing to happen to his series. I mean it. I cannot believe they decided to make him the main villain. I am so angry, you have no idea. Whether or not it's logically possible for him to survive (cause there's no point in fighting over it) he brings nothing to the table as a villain. Some people have said that Kyosuke facing Saotome again is like he's facing his inner demons. I agree with the idea, but it won't add anything to the story or Kyosuke's character development, and I'll tell you why. Basically, the exact same thing that happened in the past is going to repeat itself. The only difference is that now Kyosuke is actually a threat. If this is supposed to be a face-off with Kyosuke's inner conflicts, then in the end he has to change. That's the only way for this to be significant at all. But honestly, I seriously doubt that Kyosuke will change at all. Saotome's existence, if anything, strengthens all of Kyosuke's negative feelings and sends moving backwards again. Also, Kyosuke's main problem is that he's constantly stuck in the events that happened in the past, and thus can't move forward. Bringing him literally face-to-face with that past is not going to help him, it's just going to drag him down even more.

I think that's all I have to say. Sorry it was so long, haha.

Irenesharda said:

I agree with you mostly about the episode in that I thought it was bogged down at first but after a second viewing it was better. I'm sorry, but even in the original parent show, I found both Kaoru and Fujiko grating and annoying characters. So to see them have a large focus here was again, annoying.

As for Kyousuke not chewing out Andy, he's never really been a "chewing out" type. If you make a mistake, he doesn't yell and scream at you. He gives you a hardened look and then begins to treat you sternly until he what he feels is an adequate amount of time. Simply the way he just gave him that callous stare and stayed silent to Andy as if the man was no longer worth his time, was harsh in comparison to the the way he used to joke and smile with the man. I'm sure Andy's noticed, and in a way the silent approach can be a better punishment than all the yelling a screaming in the world.
Hyoubu gave Andy another chance because the guy was simply a taken-in pawn, who was feed the same BS by the same man as Hyoubu himself was. Hyoubu is wise enough to recognize that, and has given Andy another chance. However, he will still probably keep his distance at least for the time being. Also, I think he did slightly test him. Notice that despite the fact that Hyoubu probably knew Andy's location in the forest the whole time, he never asked him to come with, he never appealed to him. He made him make his own choice of what side he was going to be on. However, Hyoubu was expecting him to make the choice that he did and had carried Andy's limiter with him, but he wanted to see if the man would make it on his own.

As for the blood transfusion thing, I did think it a cop-out. I have no idea how it will help the fact that his t-loops are deteriorating. T-loops on the DNA is, like DNA, in EVERY part of your body, so how will a simply blood transfusion help? Maybe it can give him more new cells to work with I guess, and like you said, really stalls for time.

I have already stated why I think Saotome is the perfect villain in this case, and it remains to be seen whether Hyoubu will learn anything from it in the end. Maybe in an effort to NOT be like the Captain, he may reform his genocidal thoughts?

Kurogashi said:
this is what code breaker failed to be

Mumble200 said:
Yugiri ;_;

I don't get how that guy who Hyoubu killed is still alive though.