Just how good is Kise?

May 27, 2013 8:17 PM

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Of all the GoM players, Kise is the hardest to pinpoint in terms of skill. I have heard people's opinions about him ranging anywhere from godly to almost average, depending on whether he is injured, with or without Perfect Copy, with or without entering the Zone, etc. I want to know what you guys have to say on Kise's abilities.

I have heard a lot of people say that Kise without his Perfect Copy is still a good player, but dragging far behind the other GoMs. Do you think base Kise is better than base Kagami? And what about Haizaki, that guy Kise replaced in Teiko? I have heard people say that Kise was only able to beat him because of his Perfect Copy, especially because at that time Haizaki hadn't been practicing basketball regularly at all. Is Haizaki really a better player than Kise without Perfect Copy?

To be honest, I think Kise's abilities were downplayed unfairly during the Kaijo and Fukuda Sogo match. I think that after all his past experience and training, especially the way he held his own against Aomine in the Kaijo vs. Touou match at the Inter-High, he really should have performed better even against Haizaki and even without his Perfect Copy. The inconsistent presentation of Kise's base skill is what makes him so hard to gauge at the basic level. But I still think that base Kise > base Kagami.

Kise with Perfect Copy, in my opinion can only be defeated (1-on-1) by Kagami in the Zone, and perhaps Aomine and Akashi - though whether they both have to be in the Zone for that, I'm still not so sure.

Lastly, can Kise enter the Zone on top of having his Perfect Copy ability? I think he should be able to - the other GoM members have their own special abilities but are able to enter the Zone on top of that, so I think Kise should be able to as well, but not until he is injury-free. I think Kise will be formidable once he enters the Zone - I can't see him losing to anyone besides Zone Aomine or Zone Akashi.

What are your thoughts on Kise's skill level?

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May 28, 2013 5:14 PM

ganguro-kun

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"Kise Ryouta, he's got a bottomless talent in basketball."

When it comes to the GoM's strength Kise has always wavered in the ranks. On one hand he's a player that can copy any move he's seen and then unleash it with far more power than the original. He's got an overly keen sense of perception, comprehension and applying moves he's gathered into the right sort of situations. Now that he's overcome his own limitations he's able to deftly copy the moves of the other miracles which makes him even more powerful and you could say finally in the running with the others. Let's be honest, until the match agaisn't Aomine Kise could hardly even kiss their shoes.

On the other hand he's got some blatantly obvious drawbacks. For one, and Imayoshi pointed this out during the Touho/Kaijo match, he doesn't truely have a move of his own. One could argue that his act of perfect copy could sort of be an ultimate move in itself, but no matter how great his copies are it's been said that they aren't as good as the originals. Could they become as good or even better in the near future? Only time will tell. Kise had to watch Aomine's way of play countless times and prepare himself mentally before he was able to copy his moves, so I think more pratice could solve this problem.

Another problem with Kise is his lack of experience. People have pointed out that characters like Aomine and Haizaki, who stopped praticing long ago and are just getting back into the rhythm, could have probably won their respective matches if only they'd praticed, but the same could go for Kise. He started basketball a whole lot later than the others. I feel like Kise could be one of the strongest characters if just given a couple of years, or seeing at how fast Kise learns maybe a couple of truely rigorous months of training.

Now with all that background out of the way let's get to the question: My thoughts of Kise's skill level? In a 1-on-1 I definitely think that base Kise (without his injury) and base Kagami could be evenly matched. I also believe that Kise could win. Kagami's strong, but he's still naive and heavely reliant on Kuroko. It's just like in that mini match of Kagami and Aomine where they were battling over the basketball shoes. In my opinion, Kagami is strong as a whole, but falls in 1-on-1 matches unless in the zone.

Perfect copy Kise vs. zone Kagami or any character that can enter the zone for that matter would be hard to determine. It would depend on whether Kise can use it for more than 5 minutes. Though the zone also has a time limit I think he wouldn't be able to go full out and win without more time. I'd also like to point out however that in perfect copy mode Kise can join moves together for ultimate force. I think that if there was some way to use all the GoM's moves at once he might be able to pull it off, and, you know, probably be even more injuried than he is now, lol.

Other matches

Midorima vs Kise = Kise because unless Midorima gets some really big powerup his skill is sort of starting to flat lining.

Aomine vs. Kise = I still think he'd lose, just because Aomine has got his love of basketball back and can enter the zone willing.

Haizaki vs Kise = Despite the fact that Haizaki, well, "doesn't give a damn about basketball", would much rather chase after girls and goof off and hardly ever pratices I doubt he could beat Kise even if he did pratice. Base Kise could beat Haizaki in my opinion because Haizaki still can't copy the other miracles moves. Kise can do this without going into Perfect copy.

Mursakibara vs. Kise = I don't really have anything to add on this one. I think they'd be evenly matched - Defense vs. Offense.

Akashi vs. Kise = I'm going to say Akashi because i'm certain he's got something huge tucked under his sleeve.

Kuroko vs. Kise = Kise.....for obvious reasons.

Edit: Oh, I forgot about the matter of Kise entering the zone. In all honesty I don't think he can. From the begining I've believed that perfect copy IS the zone for Kise. It certaintly puts him on the same level as them, even though maybe for a shorter amount of time. Though I've also got this other theory that maybe Kise will one day be able to enter the zone, and in turn his perfect copy time will increase. Like the zone and perfect copy could mesh in a sort of way, but that's pure speculation.

ganguro-kunMay 28, 2013 5:29 PM

Jan 20, 2017 11:17 PM

YoruOwl

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It is quite challenging to point out where Kise now remains in the ranking process. But you have to consider all factors for this to be close to accurate.
His inconsistent display in skill makes it hard to judge how strong he really is. While he did lose to Aomine who hadn't been regularly practicing(if practicing at all) we must remember that Aomine has been playing basketball since he was a child yet Kise only started in his second year of middle school. The moves are practically ingrained in Aomine he could play basketball in his sleep.
When having a hard time against Haizaki I found it highly unbelievable because he was able to give Aomine a little trouble back then. I think his injury played a major part in his depiction of weak along with him not being as mentally strong despite knowing the 'truth'.
I think that the reason for his 'limit' to only be 5 minutes is because while injured he couldn't have an especially good stamina because he can't just train with that. Even if he rested from practice I imagine that the stress and work as a model must be stressful.
But I think when healed his time limit could extend after his stamina is increased, of course it would take a lot of work. But correct me if I'm wrong, his potential allows him to evolve in the midst of games. Such as with an injury he was able to immediately go back in the game and sweep Seirin if it weren't for his habits and Kuroko's watchful eyes, his limit extended into around 7 minutes.
If he continues with basketball then he would be able to build up his body stronger(which is what I don't get, it was noted that he and Aomine were pretty much the same in the physical aspects, so why is his body not able to keep up?) and likely overpower others, especially with his acquired zone. I imagine that by helping his stamina increase he'll last longer in zone as well.

Also Midorima acknowledged that with PC and Zone he was the strongest player.

May 2, 2017 3:07 AM

Tetteh

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Aside Aiome, Kise is my best player. I mean how awesome will it be that I will just see a technique and in moment i know how to do it. I see him be the real deal and threat in a game

Sep 24, 2017 11:48 AM

neos543

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kise can now enter the zone with perfect copy. we also saw kise copying aomine in the zone. so when kise was in the zone he was faster than aomine.

we know kise can only use perfect copy for 7 minutes and we also know that kises perfect copy is just as tiring as being in the zone. so if kise copyed aomine is the zone then that means he can only stay in that form for 3:30 minutes. now if we add kises zone that time gets cut in half again so that means 1:45 minutes.

can kise increase hes stamina then?? well the answer is yes but that dosent mater and heres why: if kise trains to increase hes stamina and maneges to increase it it wont change a thing because the other gom members will be training 2 . so that means all the stamina kise gained will be drained because he will have to copy the new versions of the gom which will absorb all hes extra stamina therfor puting him in the situation he is in now.

so what hapens if kise overtrains in cardio so he can actualy increase hes stamina while having the updated gom copys?? kise will increase hes stamina but he will LOSE MUSCLE which means hes copys will be even weaker because kise must have a simular physic to copy them. note that kises copys are already weaker than the originals so if he loses mucsle he might not be even capable of copying someone like murasakibara who is 2 meters tall .so doing this is definetly not worth it. thats why kise has to stay like this and be a versitile player who can do anything but lucks stamina for these reasons.

so is kise fasdter than aomine when he is in the zone?? my answer is no because akashi midorima and kise already mastered there abilitys( akashi completed hes emperor eye, midorima has maximun shoting range and kises copy can now copy people in the zone) on the other hand people like murasakibara kagami and aomine stil havent completed thers. from now on kise akashi and midorima will only be able to train ther regular skils and stats like ball handoling speed dribling..... while people like aomine kagami and murasakibara will keep geting stronger until they become 22 and thats when there bodys stop growing. by then aomine will be much faster kagami will be jumping much higher and murasakibara will be even taller and stronger. akashi cant train hes eyes because ther not trainable oviously and midorima already has maximun range. while kise will only have the upgraded verions of them which will be weaker because ther bodys will be fully matured.

in the end aomine is the STRONGEST because he is on the same level as all the gom BUT HE DIDNT TRAIN FOR A YEAR WHILE EVERYONE ELSE WAS TRAINING. meaning that aomine is 16 right now just as everyone else but HE IS NOT AT HES BEST AT HES CURENT AGE. i beilive aomine would have been a litle faster than kise if he trained. and thats why when ther all 22 aomine will be no 1 . kise in the end will be a versetile player who can use all the abilitys of the gom at a leser extend and when hes in the zone he will be at the same level as them

Feb 1, 2018 8:26 AM

Ali_Hayki

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(Akashi vs. Kise Ryota)

In terms of player stats

Physical ability : 9 for both players
Techniques : 10 for Akashi and 9 for kise
Stamina : 9 for both players
IQ : 10 for Akashi and 9 for Kise
Special skill : 10 for both players

Total 48 Akashi and 46 kise

The score (3 points for Akashi - 0 for Kise.)

Second: supernatural skills

Akashi appointed the emperor against kise's ideal copies
The superiority of the Emperor Eye because it sees the future can know the movement of kise and stop it as he did against the Midorima's 3 point and Mursakibara's Offences and also confronted Kagame in the Zone and stop Nash Gold fast pass.

Akashi with Emperor's eye and the Zone against Kise's perfect copy and Zone

The power of Akashi and Kise becomes terrifying here by possessing two great talents and merging them together, but the advantage remains for Akashi for several reasons:

First, the length of time that Akashi is in this situation is much longer than that of Kise, who will tire quickly and leave the field

Second: As we mentioned, the eye of the Mabturmor excel on the ideal versions and the same if they were in the Zone as well.

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