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Jun 21, 2012 3:42 PM
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THAT NOSE. If Kawajiri and Tezuka weren't involved there's no way I would've watched this after seeing that. Saruta's conk is such a turnoff and kept taking me out the film. Is there a good reason for it??

From the opening scenes I thought this was going to be like Pandorum or Event Horizon with the space madness angle but it's a nice tight little sci-fi fantasy story. Probably not everyone's cup of tea (and stories of this kind are hit and miss for me) but it's put together so well. Very entertaining mystery.
Sep 7, 2012 1:58 AM
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This is even more insane than the other two Hi no Tori OVAs, which counts as a good thing in my books. It didn't pull any punches and I was certainly disturbed from a few imageries and concepts present here.
Sep 4, 2020 2:27 PM
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The background story of Makimura really shocked me. I would have never thought that such a nice guy could have been so cruel in his past days.

But I must say that all the love plots in this movie are incredibly passionate and people tend to have no limits toward one another. They treat each other as possessions and don't respect the innate right to free choice of the loved one. I'd say their feelings are very primitive. I almost felt as if Osamu Tezuka would have told us that, no matter the technological improvements and the scientific progress, the human heart will remain as savage as during the cave-man days.

I was very quick to judge Makimura for killing Rada, but I have to admit, that she too, crossed the line when she destroyed his communication system. But what he did still remains atrocious, especially that, the rest of the inhabitants of that planet had nothing to do with his love war.

And Saruta proves no different from Kanzaki. I could say he is even worse. Kanzaki did try to kill his rival, but didn't try to take Nana by force. Saruta actually kills his rival, even if we're talking about a baby, and, more than that, wants to take Nana against her will.

I could say that Nana proves to be the most decent of the people caught up in this love wars. She respects both Kanzaki and Makimura, she proves understanding in regard to their flaws and she is even willing to sacrifice herself, out of love, for Makimura, joining him in his tragic fate.

The movie reminded me a lot about how love can turn into a burning passion, that, like a virus, destroys your immune system, making you blind to reason and, thus, turning you into a predator. If not, it will just consume you how it consumed Rada.

Apart from this disturbing story, I admired very much how all the misteries were discovered little by little, like in a detective movie. Having, at first, three different stories about Makimura, the events reveal one by one and the puzzle pieces come together into a complete single story. That was very well done! It out stands many of the detective stories of more recent anime.
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Feb 6, 2021 10:33 AM
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Berry-Vodka said:
nice observation but all these characters are stupid with no common sense which leads to this insipid story :( 4/10. Hou Ou hen was the most interesting imo because it was 1 hour and the argument could developed more because of this.


I must agree that you're right about the characters! Hou Ou hen was better, though I liked very much how Uchuu has set up the mystery story. I found that part very good! Coming back to Hou Ou, even if the characters were better and the theme more intriguing, I still found some of the characters' behavior somewhat annoyingly exaggerated. But despite my opinion, the behavior that I found exaggerated might actually reveal some uncomfortable truth about the real human nature.
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Aug 7, 2021 8:06 AM
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this one was at least better than the karma chapter but characters are unlikeable as usual. it kind of reminds me of memories. also I see the baby ending of phoenix 2772 was inspired from this. (still that was a total nonsense move there)

overall more i watch Tezuka anime, more i feel his writing and views are similar to Hiroya Oku (except for furry part)
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Apr 7, 2022 1:04 PM
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Blackouting said:
THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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THAT NOSE. If Kawajiri and Tezuka weren't involved there's no way I would've watched this after seeing that. Saruta's conk is such a turnoff and kept taking me out the film. Is there a good reason for it??.


It's not exactly a "reason", but large-nosed unfortunate characters who are usually named Saruta are present in almost every Phoenix story. Maybe when Saruta here got his entire bloodline cursed by the Phoenix it retroactively cursed his ancestors as well?

Anyway: This OVA is okay, but I didn't like it as much as the source material. One of Tezuka's signatures IMO is that his stories (or at least Phoenix) are lightning fast, to the point that things seem to just happen with very little build-up or time to reflect on them. The OVA in comparison is glacial, and while to an extent it helps build suspense at some points I kinda just felt like my time was being wasted.

I'm a little confused as to why they changed a few plot points, in particular the details surrounding Makimura going insane and slaughtering the people of Fremil. In the manga he's depicted much more explicitly as a psychopath before even falling in love which makes him snapping later feel more believable, and he snaps not just because his wife broke his radio but because he uses a memory-projection device to virtually revisit Earth and is then driven insane by the memory-ghost of his old girlfriend. In the OVA version it feels like a really drastic and out-of-nowhere shift for him to just suddenly start killing everyone.

I agree with the other person that most of the characters in this story make completely illogical decisions all the time, but I also think that's true of almost everyone in Phoenix. It's kinda just how it is.

I like the story it's adapting, and it's a competent enough adaptation, so it's a 6/10 for me. But I would've preferred a more faithful and faster-paced version.
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