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Jan 5, 2012 12:37 PM
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This has been a topic that rolls around my head every once and again. What is the most realistic portrayal of a military in anime? Obviously, realism and anime do not always go hand in hand, but I'm talking about established rank structure and character interaction more than physical tools used.

And before anyone says FMA, no way do you have a CWO that young. Come on now.
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Well for just the rank structure alone Robotech and of course Full Metal Panic come to mind. There is also Mobile Suit Gundam SEED and Mobile Suit Gundam: The 08th MS Team. I would like to point out that a lot of military(ish) anime takes place at a time where young people are the most numerous or in the case of anime like Full Metal Panic it is more of an organization with military ranks.
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And before anyone says FMA, no way do you have a CWO that young. Come on now.
Did you ever see the age of helicopter pilots during the Vietnam era? The Army, in their infinite wisdom (at the time), decided helicopters were not a proper place for "real" officers, but they also didn't want enlisted pukes to consider themselves "officers" by letting them fly the helos. What they did do (at first) was send a bunch of college grads and drop-outs through a quick course on chopper flying. While going through the course, they were WOC's (What's a WOC? Something you thwow at a Wabbit, of course! (sorry, I waited 20 years to use that joke and couldn't resist)). Upon successful completion of the flying course these 90-day wonders (aka Warrant Officer Candidates) became WO1's. Assuredly, some of them, through attrition and discharges, made CWO before the age of 25 or 26. Later, when a lot of these extremely young warrants started getting covered in so-called glory and the traditional ossifers weren't, someone switched it back to "real" officers were the only way you could be a pilot, 'course by then they had a shit-pot full of these WO1-WO4's that they had to do something about. Most of them they turned into "real" officers and the ones they couldn't sucker, they quietly shoved out of the service.

As to a realistic rank structure in anime, watch the Patlabor series of anime, including the first 2 movies (ignore the 3rd, it's crap). Sure it's about police mechas, but you have a clear cut and consistent rank structure throughout the series that has it's basis in the military since most of the senior members came from within the military before riding the Labors for the civilian world.
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OrlahEhontas said:
Did you ever see the age of helicopter pilots during the Vietnam era? The Army, in their infinite wisdom (at the time), decided helicopters were not a proper place for "real" officers, but they also didn't want enlisted pukes to consider themselves "officers" by letting them fly the helos.


Sorry good sir, that was before my time. I know that during times of attrition service members can be promoted rather rapidly, but that did not appear to be the case in FMA. It just seemed like another one of those improbable (and in this case unnecessary) anime quirks. I'll definitely give Patlabor a try, whats one more show added to the list right?

*edit: incidentally, now that I think about it, I had a 26 year old SSgt who left the Marines to go be a WO for the army to fly helos. That's pretty young. *

Regarding Full Metal Panic, that also struck me as curiously weighted toward very young and inexperienced people in lofty military roles. I mean, a little girl for a sub commander? I don't care how cute she is in a sun dress, I want her to be competent. Alas, it made the show more interesting, so I won't fault them. Personally I really liked FMP because of how improbable it was.
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I relate to OE's comments about WOC's because I did Air Traffic Control AIT at Ft. Rucker, Alabama in 1974. Some of were pretty young and some were pretty cute . . . .so was I . . . but I digress . . .

I find all the kids as officers and pilots and what not annoying at times too.
These are among the most realistic I have run across, some more so than others.

An asterisk "*" indicates additional seasons, movies, ova's, etc.

.Anime Title - .My Rating - .Year - .Eps
Flag - 10 - 2006 - 13
Legend of the Galactic Heroes * - 10 - 1988 - 110
Yomigaeru Sora: Rescue Wings * - 10 - 2006 - 12
Zipang - 10 - 2004 - 26
Pumpkin Scissors - 9 - 2006 - 24
The Cockpit - 9 - 1993 - 3
The Sky Crawlers - 9 - 2008 - 1
Uchuu Senkan Yamato * - 9 - 1974 - 26
Area 88 * - 8 - 2004 - 3
Armored Trooper Votoms * - 8 - 1983 - 52
Big Wars - 8 - 1993 - 1
Senjou no Valkyria: Gallian Chronicles - 8 - 2009 - 26
Silent Service - 8 - 1995 - 3
Taiyou no Kiba Dagram - 8 - 1981 - 75
Taiyou no Ouji: Horus no Daibouken - 8 - 1968 - 1
The Wings of Honneamise - 8 - 1987 - 1
Yukikaze - 8 - 2002 - 5
Cat Shit One - 7 - 2010 - 1

These from a civilian perspective:
Grave of the Fireflies - 10 - 1988 - 1
Hadashi no Gen * - 10 - 1983 - 1
Ushiro no Shoumen Daare - 9 - 1991 - 1
Futatsu no Kurumi - 7 - 2007 - 1

Oh, Patlabor is indeed great!

Also of merit:
Senkou no Night Raid - 10 - 2010 - 13
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I can verify that Uchuu Senkan Yamato, The Sky Crawlers, Pumpkin Scissors use proper military rank structures and they are damn fine anime. I am currently watching The Cockpit. I'll let y'all know what I think of it later. The rest are probably in my ptw list, if not they will be.

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I can verify that Uchuu Senkan Yamato, The Sky Crawlers, Pumpkin Scissors use proper military rank structures and they are damn fine anime. I am currently watching The Cockpit. I'll let y'all know what I think of it later. The rest are probably in my ptw list, if not they will be.
--The third arc of The Cockpit anthology will make your eyes leak or at least tingle and mist a bit.

Glad OE mentioned Patlabor. I love it. It's about a mechanized police department, which has a military structure and, on several occasions, interacts with the Japanese Defense Force. I think you will find the ensemble cast delightful. The excuse for the series is the young female mecha officer who manages not to be too annoying, but my favorite characters are the seemingly sleepy eyed Captain and the crusty old chief mechanic and his sports car. I'm absolutely NOT a fan of wacky/silly funny but this one made me laugh because I felt like I knew the prototype for every character involved.
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. . . And lisnoire, if you don't like wacky/silly, you probably better stay away from the "801st TTS Airbats", which is another series that uses fairly realistic rank structure for the JASDF. Particularly in a training outfit.
--Saw it ages ago. Not a favorite but I didn't hate it.

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Did they send a new butter-bar out with a brand new platoon straight out of SOI? Probably not. More likely he was paired up with some grizzled old SSGT or GYSGT, but at the very least a SGT that had his head screwed on right. This was so that he would learn from his juniors (if he had 2 brain cells to rub together) how to conduct himself in the field when the fecal matter hit the rotary impeller.[/quote-- So true. I also like your version of "when the bovine excrement hits the air circulation device.
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lisnoire said:
--The third arc of The Cockpit anthology will make your eyes leak or at least tingle and mist a bit.


The eyes didn't quite leak, but it was a sad tale none the less. Just finished watching it.

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Not a favorite but I didn't hate it.
You mean, you didn't like Chi-Chan? Second best mascot in Anime, I thought. #1 being Ryo-Ohki, of course, and #3 being "The Admiral".

And is it just me, or did my post mentioning the 801st go AWOL?
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Here is one that uses military ranking which I find strange and you have to watch this one because it is only this one that you find it.

Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Strikers it is about a universe that uses magic users as a from of military style defense force. I kid you not. I did find it easier to watch this one because it was more military the Sailor Moon>( ( Sailor Moon is the only way someone could torture me for information)

I mention Strikers because of the rank system it makes it sort of interesting(that and all the "Magic Girls" are stripped naked before they transform)
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Here is one that uses military ranking which I find strange and you have to watch this one because it is only this one that you find it.

Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Strikers it is about a universe that uses magic users as a from of military style defense force. I kid you not. I did find it easier to watch this one because it was more military the Sailor Moon>( ( Sailor Moon is the only way someone could torture me for information)

I mention Strikers because of the rank system it makes it sort of interesting(that and all the "Magic Girls" are stripped naked before they transform)
--May sound bigoted, but that's one that I'll not be bothering with. Just not into magic girl stuff even if it is "twisted."
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lisnoire said:
Not a favorite but I didn't hate it.
You mean, you didn't like Chi-Chan? Second best mascot in Anime, I thought. #1 being Ryo-Ohki, of course, and #3 being "The Admiral".

And is it just me, or did my post mentioning the 801st go AWOL?
-- Actually, I love Admiral Alice but then I've known for many, many years that cats are really an advance recon force for a superior race who got sidetracked by the good life of catness. . . . and your post did somehow go AWOL . . . . .
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Sailor Moon is the only way someone could torture me for information
A run of the later Bleach or any Naruto sans filler eps. would do it for me. Those or any 5 eps. of Dearthnut. I'd be begging for a mercy round to end it quickly.

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I've known for many, many years that cats are really an advance recon force for a superior race who got sidetracked by the good life of catness. . . .
You mean because of things like this:
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I've known for many, many years that cats are really an advance recon force for a superior race who got sidetracked by the good life of catness. . . .
You mean because of things like this:
--And ye dare not forget it.
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I mention Strikers because of the rank system it makes it sort of interesting


Thanks for the suggestion, i'll check it out.

And lisnoire, i have to disagree with you on your cat theory. They don't grow an awesome enough beard to be a recon super force...at least in todays modern, bearded special forces community. Shoulda been an airforce combat controller instead of a Marine ATC tech on MMTs, then i would have got the beard too lol
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And lisnoire, i have to disagree with you on your cat theory. They don't grow an awesome enough beard to be a recon super force.
What the .....? Are you kidding me?!? They're covered in hair! Well, 99.99% of 'em anyways. They have so much hair, facial and otherwise, they cough it up and spit it out on occasion. Like to see your average SEAL or Raider do that.
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And lisnoire, i have to disagree with you on your cat theory. They don't grow an awesome enough beard to be a recon super force.
What the .....? Are you kidding me?!? They're covered in hair! Well, 99.99% of 'em anyways. They have so much hair, facial and otherwise, they cough it up and spit it out on occasion. Like to see your average SEAL or Raider do that.
LoL. . . . . and it is frequently tactical . . . like in front of company or on the expensive bedspread you just got back from the dry cleaners. Their whiskers are also sophisticated radio antene tuned to a secret substation on mars. All that time they seem to be sleeping they are really scanning for new orders . . . . or listening to their favorite oldies . . . . .

Then there's my friend's cat Her Royal Eminence, Emeline, a dainty 12 lb girl in a fashionable black and white fur coat . . . taken to the extreme making her look more like 20 lb. When she put in her order she asked for more, more, and them some, with extra fluff on the side. I'm thinking this moggie has some serious Norwegian Forest cat genes in the mix. She also has paws like snowshoes outfitted with death scythes and primary fangs a tiger would approve of. The only time she doesn't have a mouse or bird in her mouth is because doesn't want one at the moment. I laughed at her once and got a dead on look that chilled me to the bone. I apologized immediately but she walked away with a tail swish, a very fluffy tail swish, that said, "You'll PAY for that an dearly. Mwahahahahah!"
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Ftom14cat said:
And lisnoire, i have to disagree with you on your cat theory. They don't grow an awesome enough beard to be a recon super force.
What the .....? Are you kidding me?!? They're covered in hair! Well, 99.99% of 'em anyways. They have so much hair, facial and otherwise, they cough it up and spit it out on occasion. Like to see your average SEAL or Raider do that.


Huh really I can do that in my sleep thank you. I have so much hair they call me Bigfoot so there
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davismw2000 said:
Here is one that uses military ranking which I find strange and you have to watch this one because it is only this one that you find it.

Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Strikers it is about a universe that uses magic users as a from of military style defense force. I kid you not. I did find it easier to watch this one because it was more military the Sailor Moon>( ( Sailor Moon is the only way someone could torture me for information)

I mention Strikers because of the rank system it makes it sort of interesting(that and all the "Magic Girls" are stripped naked before they transform)
--May sound bigoted, but that's one that I'll not be bothering with. Just not into magic girl stuff even if it is "twisted."


That's fine I just mentioned it for the military rank used which in a magical girl anime" is frankly strange just saying.
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lisnoire said:
I'm thinking this moggie has some serious Norwegian Forest cat genes in the mix. She also has paws like snowshoes outfitted with death scythes and primary fangs a tiger would approve of.


Touche. I didn't consider Norwegian Lumbercats earlier, what was i thinking?!
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lisnoire said:
davismw2000 said:
Here is one that uses military ranking which I find strange and you have to watch this one because it is only this one that you find it.

Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Strikers it is about a universe that uses magic users as a from of military style defense force. I kid you not. I did find it easier to watch this one because it was more military the Sailor Moon>( ( Sailor Moon is the only way someone could torture me for information)

I mention Strikers because of the rank system it makes it sort of interesting(that and all the "Magic Girls" are stripped naked before they transform)
--May sound bigoted, but that's one that I'll not be bothering with. Just not into magic girl stuff even if it is "twisted."


That's fine I just mentioned it for the military rank used which in a magical girl anime" is frankly strange just saying.
--Hey, you know me. I have no problem with people liking what they like. Just not my cupppa. :-)
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I don't watch them unless they are twisted some how. They have to involve a plot like Nanoha or be twisted into a spoof like Dai Mahou Toga the "magical girl" is evil and she likes to snap her opponents in two using her bare hands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuZtKNMEMrY

This is why it's funny the snapping bones at the end. What can I say SEAL at 3:38 the action starts
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I don't watch them unless they are twisted some how. They have to involve a plot like Nanoha or be twisted into a spoof like Dai Mahou Toga the "magical girl" is evil and she likes to snap her opponents in two using her bare hands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuZtKNMEMrY

This is why it's funny the snapping bones at the end. What can I say SEAL at 3:38 the action starts
--A bit stodgy I guess. I like a heaping side of realism even when the main course is fantasy. And random, wacky, ecchi or other wise, leaves me cold. By the way davismw2000, have you seen Golgo 13? If so, what did you think? If not, go see it and report. ;-)
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Yes and it was to real I mean talk about bringing back memories . I think I may have pulled some of those shoots. Had to check the series release date just to make sure I wasn't being spied on.
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And lisnoire, i have to disagree with you on your cat theory. They don't grow an awesome enough beard to be a recon super force.
What the .....? Are you kidding me?!? They're covered in hair! Well, 99.99% of 'em anyways. They have so much hair, facial and otherwise, they cough it up and spit it out on occasion. Like to see your average SEAL or Raider do that.


Huh really I can do that in my sleep thank you. I have so much hair they call me Bigfoot so there
-- You cough up hairballs! Cool! But I want to know how you lick . . . . . never mind.
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Yes and it was to real I mean talk about bringing back memories . I think I may have pulled some of those shoots. Had to check the series release date just to make sure I wasn't being spied on.
--Looked pretty good to me too. Yes, that stuff can be done. Scary . . . as you well know. It's not really "military" but we should probably put it on the list. There is a bit of military interface and one is given to believe that Golgo got some initial training there. The manga has been going on f...o...r...e...v...e...r... 1968 in fact. Ah, the smell of napalm in the morning . . . . .
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lisnoire said:
davismw2000 said:
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Ftom14cat said:
And lisnoire, i have to disagree with you on your cat theory. They don't grow an awesome enough beard to be a recon super force.
What the .....? Are you kidding me?!? They're covered in hair! Well, 99.99% of 'em anyways. They have so much hair, facial and otherwise, they cough it up and spit it out on occasion. Like to see your average SEAL or Raider do that.


Huh really I can do that in my sleep thank you. I have so much hair they call me Bigfoot so there
-- You cough up hairballs! Cool! But I want to know how you lick . . . . . never mind.
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Yes and it was to real I mean talk about bringing back memories . I think I may have pulled some of those shoots. Had to check the series release date just to make sure I wasn't being spied on.
--Looked pretty good to me too. Yes, that stuff can be done. Scary . . . as you well know. It's not really "military" but we should probably put it on the list. There is a bit of military interface and one is given to believe that Golgo got some initial training there. The manga has been going on f...o...r...e...v...e...r... 1968 in fact. Ah, the smell of napalm in the morning . . . . .


No hairballs as a sasquatch I can take showers in rivers under waterfalls someone house (hehehehehe) Better watch out you could come home only to find a sasquatch using you tub. The real problem is the hair in the drain (hahahehehehe) Yes I to love the smell of naplam in the morning and yes he is highly trained I believe the manga mentions something to that effect
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You know people, I was 20 years old when I was commissioned a 2ndLt in the Marines in 1967. I was the 2nd youngest officer in the Marines. I didn't turn 21 for 6 months. I also became a pilot for the Marines at 22. So, if we want to talk about ages and realism, some of these anime aren't as far off as you might think.
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