| Anyone familiar with this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimba_the_White_Lion#The_Lion_King_controversy What're your opinions? |
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| Yeah but the thing is I hate this anime and I also hate the lion kingso itdoesn'tbother methat much butI guessif you'rea fan itmustsuck knowing.etc. |
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| Ehh. I can see the similarities, most definetly, but the thing is.. I'm a HUGE fan of the Lion King. I think that even if they did "copy" it, they made it much better. Sorry for my "off-the-wall" grammar. XD |
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midori- said: It bothers me more that you don't know how to use a space bar.Yeah but the thing is I hate this anime and I also hate the lion kingso itdoesn'tbother methat much butI guessif you'rea fan itmustsuck knowing.etc. |
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IntroverTurtle said: midori- said: It bothers me more that you don't know how to use a space bar.Yeah but the thing is I hate this anime and I also hate the lion kingso itdoesn'tbother methat much butI guessif you'rea fan itmustsuck knowing.etc. It bothers me they didn't even credit this anime they just stole the entire series it had sequels and all don't tell me they also stole the part 2 and 3 of the Lion King from this... |
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| correct me if i am wrong, but simba is inspered from shakespear works called hamlet... sure it has some similiarities story telling style, but other than that, it's pretty much different... i found kimba is much better, but more because the length... |
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| Is a rip off but is difficult to see if you like Lion King. |
| I like to post in manga forum when I feel it is worth it, so people will think. "Shit, is her again" or something. People asked me where I read certain thing but the rules say no telling where did you read so maybe I am too boring for not saying? Or salty because you didn't check my profile that says don't ask because I hate people to ghost me after that. I love learning languages so maybe I did not read the manga in English. |
walt: im interested in making films of tezuka works. (passed before tezuka) lion king director: it was the collective unconsciousness some VA of LK: I thought we were gonna VA for a kimba film! self explanatory |
| YMS basically just debunked the idea of the Lion King ripping off Kimba: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5B1mIfQuo4 Man, I have to admit, I fell for it too-I saw those comparison videos and thought "yep, totally obvious that Lion King ripped off Kimba". People will spread misinformation about the dumbest shit... |
| I've been semi-aware for a while now that the controversy surrounding allegations that The Lion King (1994) plagiarized Osamu Tezuka's Jungle Taitei (Kimba the White Lion) series was based at least somewhat on misinformation, ignorance, and lazy research. Admittedly I hadn't spoken openly about this fact at all, because I figured that nobody would actually bother to read my explanations, and just default to attacking me for daring to contradict the popular consensus of "The Lion King (1994) plagiarized; open and shut case". However, now thanks to Adum from YMS (YourMovieSucksDOTorg), there is now a comprehensive video covering everything I would have said, plus significantly more information that I didn't even know. Watch this: https://youtu.be/G5B1mIfQuo4 TL;DW: Pretty much every piece of "evidence" supposedly proving that plagiarism occurred here, consists pretty much entirely of objectively incorrect information, rumors that are backed up by nothing substantial, and people who have not even seen both properties making absurd assumptions. People need to stop repeating hearsay across the internet as if it were fact, because it's almost always nowhere near factual. |
La-Li-Lu-Le-LoMay 28, 2020 6:39 AM
| People have a tendency to see their favorite works in other series. The thing is that not a single work of fiction is original, all of them take inspiration from older works whether intentional or not. There are a limited amount of basic plot, what matter is how handle those limited plots. Simba due to it sheer history already told all of the story that can be told about animals in Africa. If you gonna accuse the Lion King of stealing from Simba just because it told story about a lion in Africa you might as well accuse every single anime of stealing ideas from previous Western fiction work( especially in the science fiction genre). |
StrawhatL said: The lion king is definitely a RIP off of Kimba the white lion, Disney could've at least said that they've taken a inspiration from this anime but they made the film without crediting this and also filed a case against the anime movie (d*ck move) But I prefer the lion king movie. You haven't done any research into this subject at all, have you? |
AptAspie said: StrawhatL said: The lion king is definitely a RIP off of Kimba the white lion, Disney could've at least said that they've taken a inspiration from this anime but they made the film without crediting this and also filed a case against the anime movie (d*ck move) But I prefer the lion king movie. You haven't done any research into this subject at all, have you? Have you seen the video posted above? It's a comparison of scenes from both series... There's a lot of very similar scenes. I don't really care either way, but you can only have so many close or identical scenes before eyebrows raise. And some of them are baffling... such as for instance, the scene with the lion's face in the moon. That's hardly a generic scene... |
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quercifolia said: Have you seen the video posted above? It's a comparison of scenes from both series... There's a lot of very similar scenes. I don't really care either way, but you can only have so many close or identical scenes before eyebrows raise. And some of them are baffling... such as for instance, the scene with the lion's face in the moon. That's hardly a generic scene... Suspicions confirmed. You haven't done any real research. Prior to Adam "YMS" Johnson's exposé, I could at least understand how people could buy into this misconception, given how prominent the misinformation was, but this long post the YMS coverage even the most cursory level of research would lead you to truth. I guess you're too lazy to do that? I literally linked the YMS video right above; there's no excuse for the continued ignorance in regard to this topic. |
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AptAspie said: quercifolia said: Have you seen the video posted above? It's a comparison of scenes from both series... There's a lot of very similar scenes. I don't really care either way, but you can only have so many close or identical scenes before eyebrows raise. And some of them are baffling... such as for instance, the scene with the lion's face in the moon. That's hardly a generic scene... Suspicions confirmed. You haven't done any real research. Prior to Adam "YMS" Johnson's exposé, I could at least understand how people could buy into this misconception, given how prominent the misinformation was, but this long post the YMS coverage even the most cursory level of research would lead you to truth. I guess you're too lazy to do that? I literally linked the YMS video right above; there's no excuse for the continued ignorance in regard to this topic. If you're going to try and make a point, write it into your own words instead of linking to a 2 hour video that doesn't even have a written summary for speed reading. PS I'm not even the person you replied to above. AND you ignored what I wrote. Your Reading Comprehension is zero, confirmed. |
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quercifolia said: AptAspie said: Suspicions confirmed. You haven't done any real research. Prior to Adam "YMS" Johnson's exposé, I could at least understand how people could buy into this misconception, given how prominent the misinformation was, but this long post the YMS coverage even the most cursory level of research would lead you to truth. I guess you're too lazy to do that? I literally linked the YMS video right above; there's no excuse for the continued ignorance in regard to this topic. If you're going to try and make a point, write it into your own words instead of linking to a 2 hour video that doesn't even have a written summary for speed reading. PS I'm not even the person you replied to above. AND you ignored what I wrote. Your Reading Comprehension is zero, confirmed. I already gave a quick summary of the situation in my own words, in this very thread (literally this exact page too), back on May 28th of last year, and the fact you didn't notice that firmly verifies my suspicions that you're too lazy to look into any topic past whatever is immediately in front of you. You could not have made yourself look any worse here if you tried. Also, I never said you were the original person I was replying to, and I'm genuinely baffled as to why you assumed I thought you were? You both made dumb statements that exposed each of you respectively as ignorant to information that was sitting right in front of your faces. I'd like to think this is where you'd accept that you were in the wrong and move on with your life, but given your attitude, realistically you're just going to continue your dogmatic approach to generating unapparelled levels of laziness. All the answers were literally a slight scroll upwards for you, but evidently even that is too much work in your eyes. |
AptAspie said: quercifolia said: If you're going to try and make a point, write it into your own words instead of linking to a 2 hour video that doesn't even have a written summary for speed reading. PS I'm not even the person you replied to above. AND you ignored what I wrote. Your Reading Comprehension is zero, confirmed. I already gave a quick summary of the situation in my own words, in this very thread (literally this exact page too), back on May 28th of last year, and the fact you didn't notice that firmly verifies my suspicions that you're too lazy to look into any topic past whatever is immediately in front of you. You could not have made yourself look any worse here if you tried. Also, I never said you were the original person I was replying to, and I'm genuinely baffled as to why you assumed I thought you were? You both made dumb statements that exposed each of you respectively as ignorant to information that was sitting right in front of your faces. I'd like to think this is where you'd accept that you were in the wrong and move on with your life, but given your attitude, realistically you're just going to continue your dogmatic approach to generating unapparelled levels of laziness. All the answers were literally a slight scroll upwards for you, but evidently even that is too much work in your eyes. You're the one trying to claim it isn't stolen, therefore the burden is on you to provide an easily accessible argument as to why it isn't. A 2 hour video isn't accessible. Insulting people is just ad hominem, and just serves to embarass the person doing it (you). Also, I presented a video, which again, you fail to address. See below for more information  And after you've read the infographic, here's the video, again, for your easy viewing pleasure. If you don't care to respond to what other people are saying, or present accessible evidence, don't bother to reply again, as you are simply wasting everyone's time. Seriously, IDGAF about this subject but you're just acting so absurd I can't help but rebut your nonsense. I will now repeat in case you missed it, in big bold letters easy to read. DO NOT RESPOND UNLESS YOU INTEND TO CONSIDER THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED TO YOU, AND PROVIDE ACTUAL EVIDENCE OF YOUR OWN |
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quercifolia said: AptAspie said: I already gave a quick summary of the situation in my own words, in this very thread (literally this exact page too), back on May 28th of last year, and the fact you didn't notice that firmly verifies my suspicions that you're too lazy to look into any topic past whatever is immediately in front of you. You could not have made yourself look any worse here if you tried. Also, I never said you were the original person I was replying to, and I'm genuinely baffled as to why you assumed I thought you were? You both made dumb statements that exposed each of you respectively as ignorant to information that was sitting right in front of your faces. I'd like to think this is where you'd accept that you were in the wrong and move on with your life, but given your attitude, realistically you're just going to continue your dogmatic approach to generating unapparelled levels of laziness. All the answers were literally a slight scroll upwards for you, but evidently even that is too much work in your eyes. You're the one trying to claim it isn't stolen, therefore the burden is on you to provide an easily accessible argument as to why it isn't. A 2 hour video isn't accessible. Insulting people is just ad hominem, and just serves to embarass the person doing it (you). Also, I presented a video, which again, you fail to address. See below for more information And after you've read the infographic, here's the video, again, for your easy viewing pleasure. If you don't care to respond to what other people are saying, or present accessible evidence, don't bother to reply again, as you are simply wasting everyone's time. Seriously, IDGAF about this subject but you're just acting so absurd I can't help but rebut your nonsense. I will now repeat in case you missed it, in big bold letters easy to read. DO NOT RESPOND UNLESS YOU INTEND TO CONSIDER THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED TO YOU, AND PROVIDE ACTUAL EVIDENCE OF YOUR OWN Read the description of that video you claiming to be a fair comparison. Most of the clips that are used on this video are from the 1997 movie and 2000 short, which came out after Lion King. Also a bunch of concept art. There you go, unless the creators of Lion King can somehow travel through time there is no way they actually stole something, more like the other way around. |
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As that video also explains, Kimba was first created in 1950, & first animated in 1965. Many of the clips are from the original 1965 TV show. The shorts/movie from the late 90's were based on the original manga. Did they travel through time? No, unlikely. But they definitely saw the original TV series. It was dubbed in English, and along with Astro Boy, it was one of the shows that first bought anime over to America. So, animators would've been very keen to watch that show. it was one of the first Anime TV to be done in full color. It was broadcast worldwide in many countries. source It was also redubbed several times, such as in 1993, and the new version had re-runs in America all the way through to 1995 (Lion King released in 1994, right in the middle of this, so it was on TV at the time) Lastly, concept art is very valuable as it lets you see how the characters of something were first designed. They might go through many changes, or none. The concept art of the lion king is quite interesting. It shows Simba as a white lion. This was shown in multiple concept artworks. Now, why did they change it? A white lion is a very striking character. It would've made a huge impression on people! Well, we will probably never know. But it seems like it was because the character they were making was just too similar to another character. |
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quercifolia said: As that video also explains, Kimba was first created in 1950, & first animated in 1965. Many of the clips are from the original 1965 TV show. The shorts/movie from the late 90's were based on the original manga. Did they travel through time? No, unlikely. But they definitely saw the original TV series. It was dubbed in English, and along with Astro Boy, it was one of the shows that first bought anime over to America. So, animators would've been very keen to watch that show. it was one of the first Anime TV to be done in full color. It was broadcast worldwide in many countries. source It was also redubbed several times, such as in 1993, and the new version had re-runs in America all the way through to 1995 (Lion King released in 1994, right in the middle of this, so it was on TV at the time) Lastly, concept art is very valuable as it lets you see how the characters of something were first designed. They might go through many changes, or none. The concept art of the lion king is quite interesting. It shows Simba as a white lion. This was shown in multiple concept artworks. Now, why did they change it? A white lion is a very striking character. It would've made a huge impression on people! Well, we will probably never know. But it seems like it was because the character they were making was just too similar to another character. Yeah they most definitely saw the TV series, but the plot is so different. Most of the pictures used in that one video you found are from 1997, and even those are taken out of context. Character designs maybe similar, but how do you actually imagine jungle animals. Idk, why they didn't used the white lion, it's not like they there afraid of a lawsuit anyways. So I didn't actually found any resemblance between those two pieces of media besides being about lions and animals in general (Kimba didn't invent Lions standing on a cliff). |
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Clement75 said: quercifolia said: As that video also explains, Kimba was first created in 1950, & first animated in 1965. Many of the clips are from the original 1965 TV show. The shorts/movie from the late 90's were based on the original manga. Did they travel through time? No, unlikely. But they definitely saw the original TV series. It was dubbed in English, and along with Astro Boy, it was one of the shows that first bought anime over to America. So, animators would've been very keen to watch that show. it was one of the first Anime TV to be done in full color. It was broadcast worldwide in many countries. source It was also redubbed several times, such as in 1993, and the new version had re-runs in America all the way through to 1995 (Lion King released in 1994, right in the middle of this, so it was on TV at the time) Lastly, concept art is very valuable as it lets you see how the characters of something were first designed. They might go through many changes, or none. The concept art of the lion king is quite interesting. It shows Simba as a white lion. This was shown in multiple concept artworks. Now, why did they change it? A white lion is a very striking character. It would've made a huge impression on people! Well, we will probably never know. But it seems like it was because the character they were making was just too similar to another character. Yeah they most definitely saw the TV series, but the plot is so different. Most of the pictures used in that one video you found are from 1997, and even those are taken out of context. Character designs maybe similar, but how do you actually imagine jungle animals. Idk, why they didn't used the white lion, it's not like they there afraid of a lawsuit anyways. So I didn't actually found any resemblance between those two pieces of media besides being about lions and animals in general (Kimba didn't invent Lions standing on a cliff). It's annoying that the person did not label which clip was from which version. It's proving difficult to track down a decent copy of the 1965 series. Obviously different plot points. But plagiarism can be as simple as stealing a pose or ripping off a quote. example from Nick Simmons (son of KISS star Gene). Sure, you can say there are animals in the jungle, that's fair. But poses of a lions head on the moon? Really? That's unique stuff. Not a generic scene. And from the concept art, it's clear they were definitely inspired. Also, digging further, people doing production have been quoted as saying they were fans of the Kimba TV series or watched it Matthew Broderick has said that when he was hired as the voice of adult Simba in The Lion King, he presumed the project was related to Kimba the White Lion.[34][35][36][37] He explained that he "thought he meant Kimba, who was a white lion in a cartoon when I was a little kid, so I kept telling everybody I was going to play Kimba. I didn't really know anything about it, but I didn't really care."[38][39] Animators Tom Sito and Mark Kausler, who both have story credits, have admitted to watching Kimba, and assumed many of their colleagues had too, especially if they grew up in the 1960s.[40] (source: wikipedia Even the voice actor who played Simba, thought it was something related to Kimba. |
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quercifolia said: AptAspie said: I already gave a quick summary of the situation in my own words, in this very thread (literally this exact page too), back on May 28th of last year, and the fact you didn't notice that firmly verifies my suspicions that you're too lazy to look into any topic past whatever is immediately in front of you. You could not have made yourself look any worse here if you tried. Also, I never said you were the original person I was replying to, and I'm genuinely baffled as to why you assumed I thought you were? You both made dumb statements that exposed each of you respectively as ignorant to information that was sitting right in front of your faces. I'd like to think this is where you'd accept that you were in the wrong and move on with your life, but given your attitude, realistically you're just going to continue your dogmatic approach to generating unapparelled levels of laziness. All the answers were literally a slight scroll upwards for you, but evidently even that is too much work in your eyes. You're the one trying to claim it isn't stolen, therefore the burden is on you to provide an easily accessible argument as to why it isn't. A 2 hour video isn't accessible. Insulting people is just ad hominem, and just serves to embarass the person doing it (you). Also, I presented a video, which again, you fail to address. See below for more information And after you've read the infographic, here's the video, again, for your easy viewing pleasure. If you don't care to respond to what other people are saying, or present accessible evidence, don't bother to reply again, as you are simply wasting everyone's time. Seriously, IDGAF about this subject but you're just acting so absurd I can't help but rebut your nonsense. I will now repeat in case you missed it, in big bold letters easy to read. DO NOT RESPOND UNLESS YOU INTEND TO CONSIDER THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED TO YOU, AND PROVIDE ACTUAL EVIDENCE OF YOUR OWN Old thread I know, but I couldn't help jumping in. That video you linked (aside from containing clips released after the Lion King - which, I should add, weren't based on scenes from the manga) is incredibly misleading. There are dozens of hours of Kimba content, and only 1.5 of the Lion King - if you go through enough, given they're both stories about Lions set in Africa, you're bound to find enough scenes with superficial similarities to stitch together into a misleading collage of scenes. Of course, that video has already been debunked. Everyone knows that Kimba is actually a rip-off of Simba: King of Beasts, a comic from 1940. |
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