hanbeecim said:@JoeChip Details will be discussed later. Will you come to the address I will send you, tell me that.
Don’t engage with everyone — it’ll only exhaust you. From now on, I think you shouldn’t even respond to that person, not even to me. Just go live your life; don’t waste your time.
If someone calls you “Arab,” that only shows their ignorance. Everyone knows who’s Turkish and who’s Arab — and those who don’t know, don’t need to. It’s not worth explaining.
Was Europe always this secular? For how many years did they sleep, suppress scientific progress, and colonize countries? Is that what you call civilization? We are not Europeans, nor are we Middle Eastern. We are the people of Anatolia — we’ve lived here for a thousand year
And if, according to you, we’re not Anatolian either, then here’s the sad truth: we are Central Asian. But if you’re too uninformed to even research that, let me tell you — that’s present-day Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Mongolia, and China.
So why are you explaining yourself to someone who calls you “Middle Eastern”? These people don’t know history, they don’t know anything. They once even called us “devils.”
These people only started calling it the “Byzantine Empire” in 1557 because they couldn’t accept the fact that it was the Turks who brought down the Eastern Roman Empire. Before that, everyone simply called it the Eastern Roman Empire. Changing the name of a 1000-year-old empire after it collapses is nothing short of a shame, and in my opinion, a great injustice to the Greeks, who are the foundation of European civilization.
You don’t have to prove your identity to anyone. Don’t worry, even if you forget that you are Turkish, your enemies will never forget it. They know that we are uncomfortable with being called “Arab,” so they specifically target that point, and you give them interaction. This is like a Turk saying, “All Greeks are Turkish” or “Most Greeks and most people in Turkey are Greek.” We are just trying to annoy each other. One moment we’re Arabs, the next we’re assimilated Greeks, even the devil. And when it suits them, suddenly we become a European country. The Ottoman Empire was considered a European state (1856 Paris Treaty). These people are just keyboard guys.
Here Is the “Civilization” of Europe
Historical Collapse of Hygiene and Cultural Infrastructure
Versailles Palace didn’t even have a toilet; people relieved themselves in corridors, gardens, and even fireplaces. Feces were thrown into the streets, and perfumes were used to cover the foul odors. It was believed that bathing caused illness; Louis XV didn’t even bathe once a month. Perfume culture actually emerged to mask the stench of nobles who didn’t bathe. High heels were worn to avoid stepping in filth and sewage on dirty streets; later, they turned into a symbol of elegance. Underwear was rarely used, clothes weren’t washed — only wiped from the outside. This glamorous yet unhygienic lifestyle reigned in France, which is still labeled as “the cradle of civilization.”
Modern Colonial Remnants and So-Called “Civilizationism”
Europe still doesn’t return the cultural artifacts it stole from its former colonies. Louvre, British Museum, and the Vatican display thousands of items from Africa, Asia, and the Middle East — most of them looted. Yet a patronizing attitude of “teaching civilization” to these countries still persists.
If there’s anything worth discussing here, it’s whether or not this fiction should be taken seriously. Everything else is meaningless.