| Just wanted to warn everyone that this anime is nearly entirely done by AI. 95% is AI generated. "According to the producers, only the character designs for “Twins Hinahima” were created by human hands. AI was used for the animation and backgrounds." (quoted from German Anime News site anime2you) They clearly are experimenting with replacing actual humans in the creation process of Anime. Personally I dont want to support this kind of stuff so I will not be watching it. While I really hope no one is gonna watch it, in the end it's up to you if you want to watch a show mostly done by AI or not. This forum post was meant to inform people about this so that they know what they are dealing with when deciding if they are gonna watch something like that. |
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| Watched the PV and yeah, its AI style, so weird, its funny on memes but on anime, nah bruh, I think I would never give support to AI content when it should be ppl's work |
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| Thanks for the heads up, shame since the plot was interesting. |
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| Thanks. I'll scratch this one off the list. As the previous poster stated, it's a shame. |
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| @Tiftiy @Shimapan-chan @Nick4x Glad I could help you all. It really is a shame that they are experimenting with this kind of stuff. They labeled it as a support to creators but when nearly all of it is done by AI that isnt "support", its replacement of actual humans/artists. They are a company afterall and are only interested in saving money. I hope that AI stays out of this industry. They should provide the workers with a better work environment instead of labeling AI as being the solution while really just eliminating actual artists from the creation of Anime. |
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| Thanks for the info. Honestly, the PV felt a bit off when watching but I couldn't place my figure on it. Makes a lot more sense from the perspective of AI. Personally, I think AI has a purpose and could be a tool in some way but never should it replace the amazing work artists do for shows. Either way thanks and hope you have a good rest of your day or night o7 |
| Thanks for the heads up, I'll judge it exactly just as any other anime. The PV looks a bit clunky, but still miles better than the plethora of poorly animated anime coming out every season. AI would be bad if it replaced the work of the very best key animators with something worse, but if we talk about the majority of low quality seasonals nothing of value would be lost. |
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Thanks for the heads up, I'll judge it exactly just as any other anime.
The PV looks a bit clunky, but still miles better than the plethora of poorly animated anime coming out every season. AI would be bad if it replaced the work of the very best key animators with something worse, but if we talk about the majority of low quality seasonals nothing of value would be lost.
The PV looks a bit clunky, but still miles better than the plethora of poorly animated anime coming out every season. AI would be bad if it replaced the work of the very best key animators with something worse, but if we talk about the majority of low quality seasonals nothing of value would be lost.
| @Nirinbo Ive heard that before but I think it would be a bad idea even if it were to replace the "low quality" stuff. Good animators dont just pop up out of nowhere. Sure, some are already really good starting out but a lot of animators improved via actual experience on projects. If we just let AI handle jobs like that, we will eventually run out of "good animators" (sounds weird. I dont want to label animators into good or bad. I respect everyone of them for being able to do something I cant do let alone even think of doing). Also, and this is just my opinion, I would rather want to watch a badly animated show made by human animators instead of a nice looking show that AI animated. We could probably do with less animes per season though. That could increase production time for shows, enabling better working conditions, sets more focus on each individual show and decrease the amount of anime that get thrown out there just to make a quick buck. |
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@Nirinbo Ive heard that before but I think it would be a bad idea even if it were to replace the "low quality" stuff. Good animators dont just pop up out of nowhere. Sure, some are already really good starting out but a lot of animators improved via actual experience on projects. If we just let AI handle jobs like that, we will eventually run out of "good animators" (sounds weird. I dont want to label animators into good or bad. I respect everyone of them for being able to do something I cant do let alone even think of doing).
Also, and this is just my opinion, I would rather want to watch a badly animated show made by human animators instead of a nice looking show that AI animated.
We could probably do with less animes per season though. That could increase production time for shows, enabling better working conditions, sets more focus on each individual show and decrease the amount of anime that get thrown out there just to make a quick buck.
Also, and this is just my opinion, I would rather want to watch a badly animated show made by human animators instead of a nice looking show that AI animated.
We could probably do with less animes per season though. That could increase production time for shows, enabling better working conditions, sets more focus on each individual show and decrease the amount of anime that get thrown out there just to make a quick buck.
| @alex-vrtrx you can gain experience working as a entry-level animator in top tier studios like Toei or KyoAni, not necessarily in bottom of the barrel studios that could easily be replaced by AI. However, after thinking about it, there is a risk with AI. Let's say that nowadays you need "100" resources to make anime with "100" quality; if AI will let you make anime with "70" quality using only "10" resources, the whole animation industry might change to accomodate this innovation and we'd never see anime with "100" quality anymore. The disappearance of cel animation is a fitting analogy, for those who miss it. |
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@alex-vrtrx you can gain experience working as a entry-level animator in top tier studios like Toei or KyoAni, not necessarily in bottom of the barrel studios that could easily be replaced by AI.
However, after thinking about it, there is a risk with AI. Let's say that nowadays you need "100" resources to make anime with "100" quality; if AI will let you make anime with "70" quality using only "10" resources, the whole animation industry might change to accomodate this innovation and we'd never see anime with "100" quality anymore. The disappearance of cel animation is a fitting analogy, for those who miss it.
However, after thinking about it, there is a risk with AI. Let's say that nowadays you need "100" resources to make anime with "100" quality; if AI will let you make anime with "70" quality using only "10" resources, the whole animation industry might change to accomodate this innovation and we'd never see anime with "100" quality anymore. The disappearance of cel animation is a fitting analogy, for those who miss it.
| @Nirinbo It might be a lot easier to get a job at other studios besides top tier ones though but you're right. Yeah idk, Im just very pessimistic when it comes to AI stuff since companies only care about profit and will only use it in a way that makes them more profit which most of the times doesnt result in an actual improvement in quality of the product, price of the product or work environment. |
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| Gross. Way to take the soul out of something that's already been lacking in that department lately. |
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| @Penteano Penteano said: I expected AI to be used to assist with drawing. You know, artist creates a few frames in a sequence and the AI draws the rest so we can have high quality animation in all histories. But that's exactly what they've done, right? The artists create the keyframes and in-betweens, and the AI takes care of inking and coloring them. The motion and fundamental shape are still defined by humans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOUIEFT1OLI |
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But that's exactly what they've done, right? The artists create the keyframes and in-betweens, and the AI takes care of inking and coloring them. The motion and fundamental shape are still defined by humans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOUIEFT1OLI
Penteano said:
I expected AI to be used to assist with drawing. You know, artist creates a few frames in a sequence and the AI draws the rest so we can have high quality animation in all histories.
I expected AI to be used to assist with drawing. You know, artist creates a few frames in a sequence and the AI draws the rest so we can have high quality animation in all histories.
But that's exactly what they've done, right? The artists create the keyframes and in-betweens, and the AI takes care of inking and coloring them. The motion and fundamental shape are still defined by humans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOUIEFT1OLI
| @Gnza Im not really sure how much they are actually doing themselves. In the video we dont really get to see a real full keyframe being made and the website is rather vague in what exactly AI does in the animation department. Only that it is used in every aspect but a human looks at the final result to "check quality". In the quote I mentioned they also stated that the animation is entirely done by AI. They also only list 1 animator. See https://anime-hinahima.com/staffcast/ under "メインアニメーター" (main animator). There is no other role for other 2d animators, its just this one. It could be that they just didnt bother adding other animators. A lot of anime websites dont mention animators in their staff anyway. I assume because they can change from episode to episode and often are external ones. But them mentioning the "main animator" at all is weird and makes it seem like he really is either the only or one of few people actually working in an animation role for this show. |
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