[Oshi No Ko]
| The only good thing that Aka did these last few weeks is forcing Mihoyo to have a rerun of Ai Hoshino's banner... & atleast... I can thank him for that... |
" Kindness can sometimes lead you to trouble. "  |
| the ending is just one giant bruh moment |
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| A ruined ending happens when the author is burnt out. Or they've written themselves into a corner and have no clue how to get out. P.S. Sadly, ruined endings are practically a staple of Japanese manga. This one's no different, even though most of the story was actually really good. |
Reply to Akagi-kun
A ruined ending happens when the author is burnt out. Or they've written themselves into a corner and have no clue how to get out.
P.S. Sadly, ruined endings are practically a staple of Japanese manga. This one's no different, even though most of the story was actually really good.
P.S. Sadly, ruined endings are practically a staple of Japanese manga. This one's no different, even though most of the story was actually really good.
| @Akagi-kun This is the most interesting thing, because there are a lot of theories and speculations about the reasons for his actions. For people are expectedly intrigued by how such a good author of such two critically successful and popular works suddenly came to such a sharp decline in the quality of the song, a whole set of the most problematic or even toxic semantic implications and, as the study of interviews shows, at least partial awareness of how fans will perceive it negative. It's really like a detective story. Moreover, Aka was already caught manipulating when he first said that one of the main principles was that Mengo liked the ending, but in a later interview she admitted that Aka rejected the idea that she liked. @DrChewy @Kokol07 The idea that the ending would have worked if the stakes had actually been raised and Aqua's actions had been inevitable instead of suicidal. But Aka didn't seem to care at all and just as easily rejected ideas that could make a bad ending meaningful as he rejected ideas that could save Aqua. The dude just drove like a locomotive, ignoring any plot and conceptual holes. It seems he really noticed that the ending he had in mind no longer fit the logic of the story and characters, and so he deliberately forced the characters to achieve it through force. @LordSozin You are an incredibly happy person indeed. Because one of the main problems with the ending is the massive "if I had known how this would end, I would never have invested in this story" implications for a lot of people. Especially for those who first got into Oshi no Ko because of the anime and just casually followed the manga as a bonus. Many of these people have now simply refused to watch any more anime. |
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| The ending was meh, the pace got too fast. I'm fine with tragedy, but in this case it feels like the MC choose to make throw everything to shit... after all the I'm gonna live, the final confrontation feels like he prepared himself for suicide, so I kinda don't get it. Also, the I'm going to kill myself to take you with me wasn't very smart imo... I was prepare for Aqua's death, not for him looking for it. |
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Reply to DaCraziGuy
The ending was meh, the pace got too fast. I'm fine with tragedy, but in this case it feels like the MC choose to make throw everything to shit... after all the I'm gonna live, the final confrontation feels like he prepared himself for suicide, so I kinda don't get it. Also, the I'm going to kill myself to take you with me wasn't very smart imo... I was prepare for Aqua's death, not for him looking for it.
| @DaCraziGuy Because Aka simply threw everything away to force Aka to this bad ending. People even joked that he cut out so much plot and character development this way that the ending felt like it took place right after Tokyo Blade. @DrChewy It seems Aka is one of those authors who know how to come up with interesting premise and develop characters within their framework, but at the same time have problems creating a coherent story out of it. Which, unfortunately, ultimately destroys not only story itselfs, but also those very characters. Just notice how he effectively threw away all of Aqua's development and experience for the sake of the desired ending. Which he also devalued retroactively, saying through Taiki that he would live for the sake of his family instead of dying succumbing to emotions. It just invalidates the whole thing twice at once. As for Kaguya, a lot of it worked because of the comedy and more conventions because of it. There were a lot of things here that required a serious approach, and Aka failed. |
RobertBobertDec 26, 2024 7:14 AM
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| I really hope that we get a different ending in the anime. At least the people working on the anime actually care about the series unlike Aka. |
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I really hope that we get a different ending in the anime. At least the people working on the anime actually care about the series unlike Aka.
| @Yuri_Niji And it looks like the way things are developing is really pushing them in that direction. As you know, in November-December the premiere of a live action film that completely adapted the story took place. And while people were hyper-excited about the original JDrama series, which adapted the story to the ending, the film adapting the final arc was a major box office failure. It's hard to say for sure, but it seems the audience is making it clear to us that even a much more meaningful and conceptually rewritten ending is still not what they need when it follows the manga's ending at its root. |
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| This is a "I see what you are going for but you botched the landing" sort of ending that does not really offend me all that much, however much I do think it is by most measures bad. Maybe it is just me being a bloodthirsty asshole, but a part of me is tired with the "revenge is bad" schtick that is too pervasive in most stories, as it seems far more common a belief in media than what most people actually believe in the real-world, who on the other hand do not review revenge as necessarily a bad thing. Some people do deserve to die or be ruined, yet that is often villified as a villain like Dabi or Shigaraki from Boku No Hero Academia who unjustly want to take their anger out on innocents in an omnicidal rampage. It is incredibly cathartic in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Stone Ocean when Cannot we just give people what they deserves and not portray it as intrinsically self-destructive or evil? This is only a small part of why I find the ending to be kind of bad, but it is not the worst ending I have seen, as I can understand where the author was going for in terms of messaging, even if I think how it delivered was contradictory to it. |
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Reply to Herman97
I just finished it now, and I honestly thought the ending was very good. I cried a lot during the last few chapters, and it felt terrible to experience, but that didn't make it "bad" by any means. I feel like the reason people disliked the ending was because it was a sad ending, and not because it was a bad ending.
Yeah Aqua didn't need to die to accomplish what he wanted to do, and he even acknowledges that himself at the end and regrets his decision, but that feels to me more like the culmination of his character (always unsure if he's doing the right thing, or if he's doing it in the right way. If it's justified to do this and that as a means to and end etc), and that he in the end didn't end up doing the best thing or doing it in the best way, much like how he's been trying, failing, succeeding, and wavering throughout the story.
I get that it's disappointing to get an ending where we don't get to be happy for how it turned out, but I don't feel like it's unexpected from a manga like Oshi no Ko and the themes and ideas it's been working with from the very beginning.
tl;dr I don't think it's a bad ending from a storytelling perspective, and imo it's consistent with what the story has been about all along. We all hope for a good outcome, and it's natural to be disappointed when you experience loss and an undesirable outcome (in-world). Just don't conflate a tragic ending with a bad ending.
Yeah Aqua didn't need to die to accomplish what he wanted to do, and he even acknowledges that himself at the end and regrets his decision, but that feels to me more like the culmination of his character (always unsure if he's doing the right thing, or if he's doing it in the right way. If it's justified to do this and that as a means to and end etc), and that he in the end didn't end up doing the best thing or doing it in the best way, much like how he's been trying, failing, succeeding, and wavering throughout the story.
I get that it's disappointing to get an ending where we don't get to be happy for how it turned out, but I don't feel like it's unexpected from a manga like Oshi no Ko and the themes and ideas it's been working with from the very beginning.
tl;dr I don't think it's a bad ending from a storytelling perspective, and imo it's consistent with what the story has been about all along. We all hope for a good outcome, and it's natural to be disappointed when you experience loss and an undesirable outcome (in-world). Just don't conflate a tragic ending with a bad ending.
| @Herman97 This is exactly what a bad ending is and I don’t understand why people continue to repeat arguments that have been debunked many times over like “you just wanted a happy ending!” Many people have directly written that they would have been fine with a bad ending if it had been well and consistently written. Which clearly wasn't the case, because Aka literally forced the ending towards this in the last volume, repeatedly ignoring any development of the story up to that point, often even outright forcing smart characters to act in illogical ways (A prime example is Aqua's assumptions that people would instantly know who the killer was if he killed Hikaru, or that forensic experts would not be able to figure out that he was the one who struck the blow) or ignore their personalities and experiences in order to achieve this (the very idea of Aqua killing himself for Ruby’s career despite her words that he is more important to her than any career). Aka simply wanted to shock people to create hype similar to Ai's death and even went so far as to force Aqua to commit suicide. I honestly just can’t believe that people are still trying to somehow justify or romanticize this. @PeripheralVision The problem with the ending isn't even that, it's that Aka tries to retroactively justify taking revenge, thereby ruining the story even further, making it very conceptually hypocritical and toxic. Because the literal execution of revenge, and especially the death of Aqua in the process, clearly implies that he did not draw any conclusions and lost to his demons. Completely ignoring all of his development and experience throughout story. Aka tries to romanticize it as self-sacrifice or retroactively portray it as protecting Ruby all along, but firstly, it looks very awkward and artificial, and secondly, it directly turns the ending into a romanticization of suicide as a consequence of a universal solution to all problems and a way out of a unsolvable situation. Even to the point of directly justifying suicide, such as defending the logic “they will be better off without me” or “they will eventually cope with my death, so I can do it" (to make things even worse, Akane seems to imply that Aqua wasn't even sure Ruby could handle it). And judging by the omake, the dude actually finally realized this and tried to somehow counteract this with a cheerful message from Taika, not noticing that in this way he generally discounted the entire ending and Aqua’s actions as wrong. This is just a fire on many different levels. But returning to the topic, yes, for a dark edgy manga with controversial authorial and character decisions, there is too much cheap dogmatic moralism in it at the most inopportune moment. |
RobertBobertJan 2, 10:29 AM
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| @RobertBobert The reason I believe Aka had Aqua die is because the "popular" notion is that revenge is bad, and therefore must always come at a cost. Honestly, though? I do not agree that revenge is a bad thing to desire or even act upon in this context. Having Aqua die makes sense if you want to go with the popular depiction of revenge being awful, but it does not work for his prior development due to how unnecessary it was. That I agree with. |
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Reply to PeripheralVision
@RobertBobert The reason I believe Aka had Aqua die is because the "popular" notion is that revenge is bad, and therefore must always come at a cost. Honestly, though? I do not agree that revenge is a bad thing to desire or even act upon in this context. Having Aqua die makes sense if you want to go with the popular depiction of revenge being awful, but it does not work for his prior development due to how unnecessary it was. That I agree with.
| @PeripheralVision I understand what you're saying, but I think that even though the work does show revenge as something incredibly scary, Aqua's death was more of a shock value and a bait and switch to provoke a reaction from the readers. forcing them to discuss the ending for a long time. Regardless of whether he was fooled by the hype of Ai's death and believed that repeating it at the very end would make the manga even more famous and popular, we already more or less knew that Aka was very much dependent on the audience's reaction. For example, he teased a month before the finale that the ending would be controversial and that he wanted fans to debate it passionately. It wouldn’t hurt to also remind you that the guy calls Death Note one of his favorite manga, if you know what I mean. That is, the guy seemed to risk everything to manipulate the emotions of the audience and loudly lost when this risk did not pay off and the reaction of the fans was not at all what he expected. In particular, he literally ignores social networks for 1-2 months after the final. Not least because of how poorly this manipulation was written and how rudely he abandoned everything that had happened in the story up to that point for this. It's as if he wasn't entirely honest with the statements about the plans and made such a decision at the very last moment. Or vice versa, having stopped caring so much about things that he simply threw it under the train at the most important moment. |
RobertBobertJan 2, 10:58 AM
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