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Jun 30, 2024 8:46 AM
#1
My bet is that the first movie will be about Kaigaku, Akaza and Doma. The second one will be about Nakime and Kokushibo. And the last one adapts Sunrise Countdown arc. |
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Jun 30, 2024 8:57 AM
#2
Ki11grave said: My bet is that the first movie will be about Kaigaku, Akaza and Doma. The second one will be about Nakime and Kokushibo. And the last one adapts Sunrise Countdown arc. There’s no actual confirmation this trilogy will even adapt sunrise countdown so idk really |
Jun 30, 2024 9:06 AM
#3
1st movie - vs Doma, vs Kaigaku, part of vs Akaza 2nd movie - rest of vs Akaza, vs Nakime, vs Kokushibo 3rd movie - vs Muzan, vs Muzan's succesor;) |
Jun 30, 2024 10:27 AM
#4
They are really trying to milk this more than with attack on titan. Well If I was in their shoes I would do the same even when knowing it would be annoying for the watches. |
Jun 30, 2024 10:30 AM
#5
Reply to Shugo-Shana
They are really trying to milk this more than with attack on titan. Well If I was in their shoes I would do the same even when knowing it would be annoying for the watches.
@Shugo-Shana why? this doesn't seem smart at all, attack on titan ended in obscurity with no one caring for it anymore, the longer it goes the less people will care. If they think this is "milking" it then they are failing at it, 1 year of wait is way to many new things to keep people away and forget about this one. |
Jun 30, 2024 10:55 AM
#6
Reply to Shugo-Shana
They are really trying to milk this more than with attack on titan. Well If I was in their shoes I would do the same even when knowing it would be annoying for the watches.
@Shugo-Shana Adapting the canon material with a quality over quantity approach that is gonna take them more time and effort than regular seasons would is apparently milking now. Then what are all those non-canon movies that shows like MHA, Dragon Ball and Naruto have? |
Jun 30, 2024 11:10 AM
#7
Reply to Karnox001
@Shugo-Shana Adapting the canon material with a quality over quantity approach that is gonna take them more time and effort than regular seasons would is apparently milking now.
Then what are all those non-canon movies that shows like MHA, Dragon Ball and Naruto have?
Then what are all those non-canon movies that shows like MHA, Dragon Ball and Naruto have?
@Karnox001 that's a very good point |
Jun 30, 2024 11:11 AM
#8
1st akaza and backstory 2nd douma and shinobu ,inouske back story 3rd kokushibo and legendary slayers |
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Jun 30, 2024 11:21 AM
#9
Reply to Karnox001
@Shugo-Shana Adapting the canon material with a quality over quantity approach that is gonna take them more time and effort than regular seasons would is apparently milking now.
Then what are all those non-canon movies that shows like MHA, Dragon Ball and Naruto have?
Then what are all those non-canon movies that shows like MHA, Dragon Ball and Naruto have?
@Karnox001 They ARE milking it. They made it 3 movies in hopes of repeating "Mugen Train" success. And making 3 movies instead of 1 season smells like giving preferences to quantity. They also ruined the pacing of the story: for example, they made the last episode of the Village arc that long and made sure to include the death of Hantengu in it in order to put it into a "movie" and milk more money. This is insane. I thought such a level of milking is possible only in video games, not in cinema. In parallel universe we had 3 2-cour seasons that fully adapt Demon Slayer: unwawering resolve+mugen train -> entertainment district+swordsmith village -> hashira training+final battle. It would've been perfect. Edit: imagine shibuya arc done in 3 movies: first - ep 6-11, second - 12-17 and third - 18-23. It would've been a catastrophe. And ufotable/aniplex/whoever is responsible for this will most likely make a season out of these movies, like they did with Mugen Train for more profit. |
Ki11graveJun 30, 2024 1:43 PM
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Jun 30, 2024 11:37 AM
#10
@karnox001 hey atleast they used to release every year tv + movies this is too much 2025 2026 2027 and sunrise countdown arc...?? wn |
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Jun 30, 2024 12:47 PM
#11
For the 1st, I think it will be the Kaigaku, start of Doma and the Akaza fight as the main event For the 2nd, Doma (because it's not a super long fight from my memory) and Kokushibo And for the 3rd, Nakime and the final battle against Muzan. But I can see Nakime fitting into either of the other two as well |
Jun 30, 2024 1:45 PM
#12
Reply to Ki11grave
@Karnox001 They ARE milking it. They made it 3 movies in hopes of repeating "Mugen Train" success. And making 3 movies instead of 1 season smells like giving preferences to quantity. They also ruined the pacing of the story: for example, they made the last episode of the Village arc that long and made sure to include the death of Hantengu in it in order to put it into a "movie" and milk more money. This is insane. I thought such a level of milking is possible only in video games, not in cinema. In parallel universe we had 3 2-cour seasons that fully adapt Demon Slayer: unwawering resolve+mugen train -> entertainment district+swordsmith village -> hashira training+final battle. It would've been perfect.
Edit: imagine shibuya arc done in 3 movies: first - ep 6-11, second - 12-17 and third - 18-23. It would've been a catastrophe. And ufotable/aniplex/whoever is responsible for this will most likely make a season out of these movies, like they did with Mugen Train for more profit.
Edit: imagine shibuya arc done in 3 movies: first - ep 6-11, second - 12-17 and third - 18-23. It would've been a catastrophe. And ufotable/aniplex/whoever is responsible for this will most likely make a season out of these movies, like they did with Mugen Train for more profit.
@Ki11grave Those world premieres where they merged last ep + first ep are basically glorified early screenings, which are super common (the normal ones), but I do agree that this particular move could be seen as milking. Now this stuff is usually on Aniplex's hands, the studio just doesn't go asking the producers to make these big premiers, after all the studio earns so little in comparision to the main producer, but for a show as absurdly popular as Kimetsu no Yaiba, I think that milking is very mild, especially compared to the other shows I mentioned. Aniplex could do so much more to milk it. About the pacing, I disagree, I don't think it was ruined or anything, they just had a longer episode with the usual pacing and the experience was great to me. The "making 3 movies instead of 1 season smells like giving preferences to quantity." statement is just not true. There's 66 chapters left to adapt, and that would be around 2 cours usually. Now the final arc has so much action and so many big panels that the pacing is much quicker, so 3 movies fit just fine. They might cut some stuff, but very on point imo. You are gonna have to explain to me how this could be seen quantity over quality when they are basically gonna spend 12-18 months of production for roughly 6 eps worth of content. That's literally quality over quantity. It will take longer to finish the manga yes, but the experience will be better because of the quality and the movie pacing/structure. And "In parallel universe we had 3 2-cour seasons that fully adapt Demon Slayer" is exactly what I'm talking about. That is quantity over quality. Adapting a lot at once to finish it quickly instead of taking your time and elevate it as much as possible. There's a reason why we see less and less 2 cour animes these days, and it's because the quality is more difficult to mantain that way, and people want the best possible quality, so 1 cour seasons and movies are the best option for that. And like I said, the three act structure of a movie gives a more exciting experience than weekly episodes, at least for me. >"Edit: imagine shibuya arc done in 3 movies: first - ep 6-11, second - 12-17 and third - 18-23. It would've been a catastrophe. And ufotable/aniplex/whoever is responsible for this will most likely make a season out of these movies, like they did with Mugen Train for more profit." We don't know that, and the source material is completely different. For the final arc of KnY I think 3 movies will definitely work, and it won't have the production issues of JJK S2. |
Karnox001Jun 30, 2024 1:50 PM
Jun 30, 2024 2:14 PM
#13
Reply to MadLane
@Shugo-Shana why? this doesn't seem smart at all, attack on titan ended in obscurity with no one caring for it anymore, the longer it goes the less people will care.
If they think this is "milking" it then they are failing at it, 1 year of wait is way to many new things to keep people away and forget about this one.
If they think this is "milking" it then they are failing at it, 1 year of wait is way to many new things to keep people away and forget about this one.
MadLane said: 1 year of wait is way to many new things to keep people away and forget about this one. Idk about that, they dropped Mugen Train in the middle of a pandemic and it went on to become the highest grossing anime movie ever, now you've got arguably the best arc of the series with some of the most highly anticipated fights being done as movies. The fandom will definitely not forget this series by the time the first, let alone the third, movie comes out. |
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Jun 30, 2024 2:18 PM
#14
Reply to Ki11grave
@Karnox001 They ARE milking it. They made it 3 movies in hopes of repeating "Mugen Train" success. And making 3 movies instead of 1 season smells like giving preferences to quantity. They also ruined the pacing of the story: for example, they made the last episode of the Village arc that long and made sure to include the death of Hantengu in it in order to put it into a "movie" and milk more money. This is insane. I thought such a level of milking is possible only in video games, not in cinema. In parallel universe we had 3 2-cour seasons that fully adapt Demon Slayer: unwawering resolve+mugen train -> entertainment district+swordsmith village -> hashira training+final battle. It would've been perfect.
Edit: imagine shibuya arc done in 3 movies: first - ep 6-11, second - 12-17 and third - 18-23. It would've been a catastrophe. And ufotable/aniplex/whoever is responsible for this will most likely make a season out of these movies, like they did with Mugen Train for more profit.
Edit: imagine shibuya arc done in 3 movies: first - ep 6-11, second - 12-17 and third - 18-23. It would've been a catastrophe. And ufotable/aniplex/whoever is responsible for this will most likely make a season out of these movies, like they did with Mugen Train for more profit.
Ki11grave said: They ARE milking it. They made it 3 movies in hopes of repeating "Mugen Train" success. And making 3 movies instead of 1 season smells like giving preferences to quantity. Mugen Train was handicapped by the pandemic and still went on to become the highest grossing anime movie ever. These movies should easily surpass that if we're being honest. And with regards to them doing 3 movies instead of 1, this arc was 47 chapters in the manga, there's no way they could only make one movie out of this even if they wanted to. |
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Jun 30, 2024 2:53 PM
#15
Reply to Karnox001
@Ki11grave Those world premieres where they merged last ep + first ep are basically glorified early screenings, which are super common (the normal ones), but I do agree that this particular move could be seen as milking. Now this stuff is usually on Aniplex's hands, the studio just doesn't go asking the producers to make these big premiers, after all the studio earns so little in comparision to the main producer, but for a show as absurdly popular as Kimetsu no Yaiba, I think that milking is very mild, especially compared to the other shows I mentioned. Aniplex could do so much more to milk it.
About the pacing, I disagree, I don't think it was ruined or anything, they just had a longer episode with the usual pacing and the experience was great to me.
The "making 3 movies instead of 1 season smells like giving preferences to quantity." statement is just not true. There's 66 chapters left to adapt, and that would be around 2 cours usually. Now the final arc has so much action and so many big panels that the pacing is much quicker, so 3 movies fit just fine. They might cut some stuff, but very on point imo. You are gonna have to explain to me how this could be seen quantity over quality when they are basically gonna spend 12-18 months of production for roughly 6 eps worth of content. That's literally quality over quantity. It will take longer to finish the manga yes, but the experience will be better because of the quality and the movie pacing/structure.
And "In parallel universe we had 3 2-cour seasons that fully adapt Demon Slayer" is exactly what I'm talking about. That is quantity over quality. Adapting a lot at once to finish it quickly instead of taking your time and elevate it as much as possible. There's a reason why we see less and less 2 cour animes these days, and it's because the quality is more difficult to mantain that way, and people want the best possible quality, so 1 cour seasons and movies are the best option for that. And like I said, the three act structure of a movie gives a more exciting experience than weekly episodes, at least for me.
>"Edit: imagine shibuya arc done in 3 movies: first - ep 6-11, second - 12-17 and third - 18-23. It would've been a catastrophe. And ufotable/aniplex/whoever is responsible for this will most likely make a season out of these movies, like they did with Mugen Train for more profit."
We don't know that, and the source material is completely different. For the final arc of KnY I think 3 movies will definitely work, and it won't have the production issues of JJK S2.
About the pacing, I disagree, I don't think it was ruined or anything, they just had a longer episode with the usual pacing and the experience was great to me.
The "making 3 movies instead of 1 season smells like giving preferences to quantity." statement is just not true. There's 66 chapters left to adapt, and that would be around 2 cours usually. Now the final arc has so much action and so many big panels that the pacing is much quicker, so 3 movies fit just fine. They might cut some stuff, but very on point imo. You are gonna have to explain to me how this could be seen quantity over quality when they are basically gonna spend 12-18 months of production for roughly 6 eps worth of content. That's literally quality over quantity. It will take longer to finish the manga yes, but the experience will be better because of the quality and the movie pacing/structure.
And "In parallel universe we had 3 2-cour seasons that fully adapt Demon Slayer" is exactly what I'm talking about. That is quantity over quality. Adapting a lot at once to finish it quickly instead of taking your time and elevate it as much as possible. There's a reason why we see less and less 2 cour animes these days, and it's because the quality is more difficult to mantain that way, and people want the best possible quality, so 1 cour seasons and movies are the best option for that. And like I said, the three act structure of a movie gives a more exciting experience than weekly episodes, at least for me.
>"Edit: imagine shibuya arc done in 3 movies: first - ep 6-11, second - 12-17 and third - 18-23. It would've been a catastrophe. And ufotable/aniplex/whoever is responsible for this will most likely make a season out of these movies, like they did with Mugen Train for more profit."
We don't know that, and the source material is completely different. For the final arc of KnY I think 3 movies will definitely work, and it won't have the production issues of JJK S2.
@Karnox001 I don't understand how you can think that the pacing is good when we spend ~8 minutes on Muzan walking in Bollywood style in both episodes total. About Swordsmith village, they had a deal with TV channels that that season must be 11 episodes long (like Entertainment District arc) and they needed to make the last episode long so that they can put it into a "movie". That's why they've been dragging fights with 5th and 4th upper moons. If in Entertainment District arc the fight has been going for a little bit more than 6 episodes, in Swordsmith Village arc it's been going for 8.5 episodes. And in manga both fights last for nearly the same amount of chapters. That's why the pacing in the third season is horrendous and we got an episode like "Awful Villian" where Tanjiro and Hantengu just look at each other for half an episode. And the shows you mentioned: two of them are weekly, not seasonal, so of course the pacing is bad. And MHA for first 2 seasons had a bad pacing comparing to the manga, but it still felt natural and future seasons didn't have this problem. I respect Ufotable for not crunching their workers to death. If they made the final battle in a 2-cour season with the movie level, we would got it in 4 years. That's something that big suits probably would not have allowed. Like, Bones is forced to release a MHA season every one and a half year. However, we will get the last movie in around 4 years too, so, if we lived in a perfect world, there's no difference for us. But if you want for a studio to not rush things and adapt everything in one cour, then it could've been like this: season 1 - everything before the mount, season 2 - mount+train, season 3 - ED, season 4 - SV (normal this time), season 5 - hashira training+before kokushibo, season 6 - the rest. But if you ask me, i'd rather wait as much as needed for a 2-cour season than get a 1 cour season earlier, because some stories are not made for 1-cour seasons. Can you imagine JJK S2 being about Kyoto and Death Painting. What kind of season is that? Or one of MHA seasons being only about a training with class B. This would've been ridiculous. Or do you remember Kizumonogatari, how badly these...things felt as singular movies? The similar situation is going to be here. There's a rumor that Ufotable is going to adapt Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint and I'm scared, because this franchise definately has to be always 2-cour. P.S. and it's definitely a me thing, but I prefer pacing over animation. I'd rather have a feeling that everything is right than look at beautiful drawings. But that's just me. |
Ki11graveJun 30, 2024 3:36 PM
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Jun 30, 2024 2:55 PM
#16
Reply to thebrentinator24
Ki11grave said:
They ARE milking it. They made it 3 movies in hopes of repeating "Mugen Train" success. And making 3 movies instead of 1 season smells like giving preferences to quantity.
They ARE milking it. They made it 3 movies in hopes of repeating "Mugen Train" success. And making 3 movies instead of 1 season smells like giving preferences to quantity.
Mugen Train was handicapped by the pandemic and still went on to become the highest grossing anime movie ever. These movies should easily surpass that if we're being honest. And with regards to them doing 3 movies instead of 1, this arc was 47 chapters in the manga, there's no way they could only make one movie out of this even if they wanted to.
@thebrentinator24 I said Ki11grave said: .1 season |
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Jun 30, 2024 2:59 PM
#17
Reply to Ki11grave
@thebrentinator24 I said
Ki11grave said:
1 season
.1 season
@Ki11grave My bad I must have read too fast. |
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Jun 30, 2024 3:00 PM
#18
@Filopyon They are dragging it, comparing to many other seasonal shows. Don't compare Demon Slayer to Naruto or One Piece: they have different release schedule. And Mugen Train had extended scenes in order to make it 7 episodes and make every episode end on a convenient moment. Not because they were feeling generous or anything. The problem is why they decided to make it TV: milking. |
Ki11graveJun 30, 2024 3:34 PM
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Jun 30, 2024 3:47 PM
#19
Reply to Ki11grave
@Karnox001 I don't understand how you can think that the pacing is good when we spend ~8 minutes on Muzan walking in Bollywood style in both episodes total. About Swordsmith village, they had a deal with TV channels that that season must be 11 episodes long (like Entertainment District arc) and they needed to make the last episode long so that they can put it into a "movie". That's why they've been dragging fights with 5th and 4th upper moons. If in Entertainment District arc the fight has been going for a little bit more than 6 episodes, in Swordsmith Village arc it's been going for 8.5 episodes. And in manga both fights last for nearly the same amount of chapters. That's why the pacing in the third season is horrendous and we got an episode like "Awful Villian" where Tanjiro and Hantengu just look at each other for half an episode.
And the shows you mentioned: two of them are weekly, not seasonal, so of course the pacing is bad. And MHA for first 2 seasons had a bad pacing comparing to the manga, but it still felt natural and future seasons didn't have this problem.
I respect Ufotable for not crunching their workers to death. If they made the final battle in a 2-cour season with the movie level, we would got it in 4 years. That's something that big suits probably would not have allowed. Like, Bones is forced to release a MHA season every one and a half year. However, we will get the last movie in around 4 years too, so, if we lived in a perfect world, there's no difference for us. But if you want for a studio to not rush things and adapt everything in one cour, then it could've been like this: season 1 - everything before the mount, season 2 - mount+train, season 3 - ED, season 4 - SV (normal this time), season 5 - hashira training+before kokushibo, season 6 - the rest.
But if you ask me, i'd rather wait as much as needed for a 2-cour season than get a 1 cour season earlier, because some stories are not made for 1-cour seasons. Can you imagine JJK S2 being about Kyoto and Death Painting. What kind of season is that? Or one of MHA seasons being only about a training with class B. This would've been ridiculous. Or do you remember Kizumonogatari, how badly these...things felt as singular movies? The similar situation is going to be here. There's a rumor that Ufotable is going to adapt Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint and I'm scared, because this franchise definately has to be always 2-cour.
P.S. and it's definitely a me thing, but I prefer pacing over animation. I'd rather have a feeling that everything is right than look at beautiful drawings. But that's just me.
And the shows you mentioned: two of them are weekly, not seasonal, so of course the pacing is bad. And MHA for first 2 seasons had a bad pacing comparing to the manga, but it still felt natural and future seasons didn't have this problem.
I respect Ufotable for not crunching their workers to death. If they made the final battle in a 2-cour season with the movie level, we would got it in 4 years. That's something that big suits probably would not have allowed. Like, Bones is forced to release a MHA season every one and a half year. However, we will get the last movie in around 4 years too, so, if we lived in a perfect world, there's no difference for us. But if you want for a studio to not rush things and adapt everything in one cour, then it could've been like this: season 1 - everything before the mount, season 2 - mount+train, season 3 - ED, season 4 - SV (normal this time), season 5 - hashira training+before kokushibo, season 6 - the rest.
But if you ask me, i'd rather wait as much as needed for a 2-cour season than get a 1 cour season earlier, because some stories are not made for 1-cour seasons. Can you imagine JJK S2 being about Kyoto and Death Painting. What kind of season is that? Or one of MHA seasons being only about a training with class B. This would've been ridiculous. Or do you remember Kizumonogatari, how badly these...things felt as singular movies? The similar situation is going to be here. There's a rumor that Ufotable is going to adapt Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint and I'm scared, because this franchise definately has to be always 2-cour.
P.S. and it's definitely a me thing, but I prefer pacing over animation. I'd rather have a feeling that everything is right than look at beautiful drawings. But that's just me.
@Ki11grave Paragraph 1. I was reffering to good pacing in ep 11 of S3. I agree ep 7 had bad pacing, but overall pacing of S3 is mainly because of the manga and the way that arc is written/structured. Last ep being longer is to make a better climax by having it all together. They don't need to do longer eps to do early screenings. S1 did early screening for eps 1-5 and it didn't matter that they were normal lenght. Disagree with the rest of it. "And the shows you mentioned: two of them are weekly, not seasonal, so of course the pacing is bad. And MHA for first 2 seasons had a bad pacing comparing to the manga, but it still felt natural and future seasons didn't have this problem." I was talking about the milking/filler/non-cannon movies, not the pacing. "2-cour season with the movie level" This is a contradiction. It can't happen in an industry like this. Paragraph "I respect Ufotable for..." Kinda agree overall, structure is very important, but this is KnY, and it is bound to be a 1:1 adaptation like most shonen jump adaptations, for better and for worse. I have not seen Monogatari yet, so I won't speak. It won't take 4 years because they have more stuff in the works. I don't like that structure tbh, I prefer the one we have. S1 could be done as 2 consecutive cours because it wasn't as complex, but for the rest 1 cour is better imo. "There's a rumor that Ufotable is going to adapt Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint" Literally impossible. 3 KnY movies, 2 mahoyo movies (probably), 1 Touken Ranbu movie, Genshin and Tsukihime (not announced but inevitable). It won't happen, and if it does, it will air in 2040. "but I prefer pacing over animation" I like both, and I don't think a trilogy will sacrifice the pacing. |
Jun 30, 2024 11:50 PM
#20
Reply to Karnox001
@Ki11grave
Paragraph 1.
I was reffering to good pacing in ep 11 of S3. I agree ep 7 had bad pacing, but overall pacing of S3 is mainly because of the manga and the way that arc is written/structured. Last ep being longer is to make a better climax by having it all together. They don't need to do longer eps to do early screenings. S1 did early screening for eps 1-5 and it didn't matter that they were normal lenght.
Disagree with the rest of it.
"And the shows you mentioned: two of them are weekly, not seasonal, so of course the pacing is bad. And MHA for first 2 seasons had a bad pacing comparing to the manga, but it still felt natural and future seasons didn't have this problem."
I was talking about the milking/filler/non-cannon movies, not the pacing.
"2-cour season with the movie level" This is a contradiction. It can't happen in an industry like this.
Paragraph "I respect Ufotable for..."
Kinda agree overall, structure is very important, but this is KnY, and it is bound to be a 1:1 adaptation like most shonen jump adaptations, for better and for worse.
I have not seen Monogatari yet, so I won't speak.
It won't take 4 years because they have more stuff in the works.
I don't like that structure tbh, I prefer the one we have. S1 could be done as 2 consecutive cours because it wasn't as complex, but for the rest 1 cour is better imo.
"There's a rumor that Ufotable is going to adapt Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint"
Literally impossible. 3 KnY movies, 2 mahoyo movies (probably), 1 Touken Ranbu movie, Genshin and Tsukihime (not announced but inevitable). It won't happen, and if it does, it will air in 2040.
"but I prefer pacing over animation" I like both, and I don't think a trilogy will sacrifice the pacing.
Paragraph 1.
I was reffering to good pacing in ep 11 of S3. I agree ep 7 had bad pacing, but overall pacing of S3 is mainly because of the manga and the way that arc is written/structured. Last ep being longer is to make a better climax by having it all together. They don't need to do longer eps to do early screenings. S1 did early screening for eps 1-5 and it didn't matter that they were normal lenght.
Disagree with the rest of it.
"And the shows you mentioned: two of them are weekly, not seasonal, so of course the pacing is bad. And MHA for first 2 seasons had a bad pacing comparing to the manga, but it still felt natural and future seasons didn't have this problem."
I was talking about the milking/filler/non-cannon movies, not the pacing.
"2-cour season with the movie level" This is a contradiction. It can't happen in an industry like this.
Paragraph "I respect Ufotable for..."
Kinda agree overall, structure is very important, but this is KnY, and it is bound to be a 1:1 adaptation like most shonen jump adaptations, for better and for worse.
I have not seen Monogatari yet, so I won't speak.
It won't take 4 years because they have more stuff in the works.
I don't like that structure tbh, I prefer the one we have. S1 could be done as 2 consecutive cours because it wasn't as complex, but for the rest 1 cour is better imo.
"There's a rumor that Ufotable is going to adapt Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint"
Literally impossible. 3 KnY movies, 2 mahoyo movies (probably), 1 Touken Ranbu movie, Genshin and Tsukihime (not announced but inevitable). It won't happen, and if it does, it will air in 2040.
"but I prefer pacing over animation" I like both, and I don't think a trilogy will sacrifice the pacing.
@Karnox001 The last episode of SV arc was 50 minutes long and it adapted 3 chapters. That's the average amount of chapters per episode in the industry. We didn't need 2.5 episodes for it. And while I agree that scenes like everyone saying goodbye to Tanjiro were good additions, scenes like Nezuko's 'death' were disastrous. I don't remember how many minutes it took to show Tanjiro's heavy breathing, but definately more than should be allowed. I was thinking about why couldn't they have ended SV ep 10 on beheading (like in ED) and came to a conclusion that they wanted to make Nezuko's 'death' and her resurrection a single experience. This way I understand this. However, you said that SV is structured differently, i don't agree with this. It's basically the same arc as ED. The fighting in SV is only 1 chapter longer, yet such a big difference in anime. |
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Jul 1, 2024 4:33 AM
#21
@Filopyon I'm sorry, but have you been living under a rock for the last 15 years? Or are you trolling? Jujutsu Kaisen, Chainsaw Man, Kaiju #8, Undead Unluck, Attack on Titan, My Hero Academia, Hell's Paradise, Seven Deadly Sins, Fire Force, Mob Psycho 100, One Punch Man, Bungou Stray Dogs, Jojo, Vinland Saga, Mushoku Tensei and even Bleach. These are more or less action-oriented shows and they are seasonal. And every single one of them (except of Undead Unluck) has a better pacing than Demon Slayer. The only anime that followed this outdated weekly release schedule in the last decade is Black Clover. |
Imagine normies saying: "Peaky Blinders is mid and overhyped. Just another typical crime drama show. Breaking Bad is much better lol.". |
Jul 1, 2024 5:36 AM
#22
Reply to Ki11grave
@Karnox001 The last episode of SV arc was 50 minutes long and it adapted 3 chapters. That's the average amount of chapters per episode in the industry. We didn't need 2.5 episodes for it. And while I agree that scenes like everyone saying goodbye to Tanjiro were good additions, scenes like Nezuko's 'death' were disastrous. I don't remember how many minutes it took to show Tanjiro's heavy breathing, but definately more than should be allowed.
I was thinking about why couldn't they have ended SV ep 10 on beheading (like in ED) and came to a conclusion that they wanted to make Nezuko's 'death' and her resurrection a single experience. This way I understand this. However, you said that SV is structured differently, i don't agree with this. It's basically the same arc as ED. The fighting in SV is only 1 chapter longer, yet such a big difference in anime.
I was thinking about why couldn't they have ended SV ep 10 on beheading (like in ED) and came to a conclusion that they wanted to make Nezuko's 'death' and her resurrection a single experience. This way I understand this. However, you said that SV is structured differently, i don't agree with this. It's basically the same arc as ED. The fighting in SV is only 1 chapter longer, yet such a big difference in anime.
@Ki11grave "average amount of chapters per episode in the industry" I don't think such a thing exists, because not every manga is the same, some have 22 pages per chap others 15, others 45. Apart from that it depends on how it's written. 20 pages of KnY it's not the same as 20 pages of JJK or 20 pages of Vinland Saga, so it really depends on the source material. "scenes like Nezuko's 'death' were disastrous. I don't remember how many minutes it took to show Tanjiro's heavy breathing, but definately more than should be allowed." I just straight up disagree with this. Taking your time to build the suspense it's very important and nowadays it's becoming rarer because people have the attention span of a puppy thanks to social media. I mean it was obvious that Nezuko wasn't gonna die, which is the only thing that holds it back for me, but it was a fantastic scene with a lot of tension and emotion imo. "However, you said that SV is structured differently, i don't agree with this. " I said that because, even tough ED arc and SSV arc are almost the same ammount of chapters long, they are not written the same way. SSV arc has more and longer flashbacks that are worse placed imo, more new characters, childish villains that hardly feel they deserve the position they have and that barely know how to fight in a team (UM4), and more pointless meandering and unnecessary inner monologues that should have been cut in the anime (but once again the commitee doesn't let them do that), which results in an arc that doesn't have the great progression of ED arc. At the time manga readers were always saying how SSV arc was boring and all long before it aired, so I think they did the best they could with what they had with the limitation of not changing anything. If it was up to me and I had permission I would have completely rewritten SSV arc from scratch in the anime, but anyway. |
Jul 1, 2024 6:30 AM
#23
@Filopyon the quality of a story and the quality as an adaptation are two different things. If I am to talk about the story of KnY, I'd be stuck here for a week fighting 50 men. "Chainsaw Man - single season show" and so on...what does any of this have to do with pacing? And by Bleach I meant TYBW. "Wouldn't surprise me if the majority of these shows you mentioned are more so near 1 chapter per episode" I just...wow...0% knowledge, 100% confidence. I can't believe I found a take that deserves this: https://youtu.be/p8FA25a22dQ?si=7jbO1Hiybc3EyphT |
Ki11graveJul 1, 2024 6:36 AM
Imagine normies saying: "Peaky Blinders is mid and overhyped. Just another typical crime drama show. Breaking Bad is much better lol.". |
Jul 1, 2024 7:32 AM
#24
I didn't read the manga, is this trilogy the last arc? or there will be another series or film after this? |
Jul 1, 2024 10:20 AM
#25
@Filopyon I see now, I must not judge a show until it ends or we're Filopyon said: 5-10 years later in order to not change an opinion, I got it. nearing the end |
Imagine normies saying: "Peaky Blinders is mid and overhyped. Just another typical crime drama show. Breaking Bad is much better lol.". |
Jul 1, 2024 10:39 AM
#26
Reply to Phantom_Siren652
Ki11grave said:
My bet is that the first movie will be about Kaigaku, Akaza and Doma. The second one will be about Nakime and Kokushibo. And the last one adapts Sunrise Countdown arc.
My bet is that the first movie will be about Kaigaku, Akaza and Doma. The second one will be about Nakime and Kokushibo. And the last one adapts Sunrise Countdown arc.
There’s no actual confirmation this trilogy will even adapt sunrise countdown so idk really
@Phantom_373 idk how people consider the sundown part as an arc when its a few pages LMAO DS fans are something else making their own set of rules like no other anime fandom ever did + high level delusional people . |
Jul 1, 2024 10:43 AM
#27
Kev00n_Gozen said: @Phantom_373 idk how people consider the sundown part as an arc when its a few pages LMAO DS fans are something else making their own set of rules like no other anime fandom ever did + high level delusional people . Jesus man calm down you have no place to call me delusional. Sunrise countdown is considered an arc. You said a few pages as if the hashira training arc isn’t also incredibly short. Just because it’s short does not mean anything |
Jul 1, 2024 10:49 AM
#28
Reply to Karnox001
@Shugo-Shana Adapting the canon material with a quality over quantity approach that is gonna take them more time and effort than regular seasons would is apparently milking now.
Then what are all those non-canon movies that shows like MHA, Dragon Ball and Naruto have?
Then what are all those non-canon movies that shows like MHA, Dragon Ball and Naruto have?
@Karnox001 those movies are also milked too/additional content for the series . Ds following the usual shounen tropes especially adding fillers here and there thats why the new season(current) was a bit long than intended compared to the source and i have no doubt they will do the same on the movie too ,Animating a ufotable anime takes weeks or months depending how they gonna cram on it its actually doable for them to release one before this year ends or early next year like january. But gdi i just want this series to get over with ,the fights in the manga are like few pages long anyways so it would have been better to make it as a tv series than a movie format and the remaining fights can fit into one season and that includes the muzan fight |
Jul 1, 2024 10:52 AM
#29
Reply to Phantom_Siren652
Kev00n_Gozen said:
@Phantom_373 idk how people consider the sundown part as an arc when its a few pages LMAO DS fans are something else making their own set of rules like no other anime fandom ever did + high level delusional people .
@Phantom_373 idk how people consider the sundown part as an arc when its a few pages LMAO DS fans are something else making their own set of rules like no other anime fandom ever did + high level delusional people .
Jesus man calm down you have no place to call me delusional. Sunrise countdown is considered an arc.
You said a few pages as if the hashira training arc isn’t also incredibly short. Just because it’s short does not mean anything
@Phantom_373 Do you know what an arc means in manga terms? Lmao. Training arc is an arc because it can be stretched up to 12-13 episodes but sunrise "arc"? Like dude it wont even make it to episode 5 🤣😂 |
Jul 1, 2024 10:54 AM
#30
Kev00n_Gozen said: @Phantom_373 Do you know what an arc means in manga terms? Lmao. Training arc is an arc because it can be stretched up to 12-13 episodes but sunrise "arc"? Like dude it wont even make it to episode 5 🤣😂 Bro if they never stretched it hashira training would have been 3-4 episodes at most. The fact they gave it 8 is phenomenal and shows how goated ufotable are. They could easily expand sunrise countdown if they needed to. |
Jul 1, 2024 8:35 PM
#31
Reply to Phantom_Siren652
Kev00n_Gozen said:
@Phantom_373 Do you know what an arc means in manga terms? Lmao. Training arc is an arc because it can be stretched up to 12-13 episodes but sunrise "arc"? Like dude it wont even make it to episode 5 🤣😂
@Phantom_373 Do you know what an arc means in manga terms? Lmao. Training arc is an arc because it can be stretched up to 12-13 episodes but sunrise "arc"? Like dude it wont even make it to episode 5 🤣😂
Bro if they never stretched it hashira training would have been 3-4 episodes at most. The fact they gave it 8 is phenomenal and shows how goated ufotable are.
They could easily expand sunrise countdown if they needed to.
@Phantom_373 because they are adding fillers and comparing the training arc and sunrise "arc" even from a manga standpoint you will notice training arc have more content than it, yes its also short but again theres alot of fillers thats why its long and theres alot of sht going on in training arc than sunrise "arc" when you think about it or even just look at it 😗 the "sunrise arc" you are referring to will likely be in the final trilogy of the movie since the muzan fight will not that take long anyways(color me with surprise but mc will win despite the fatal blow received lmao) so its viable that it will be added along with it by the end |
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