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Apr 12, 2023 9:46 AM
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I'll start by saying Ive watched up till ep 6 of this season so definitely not caught up but I think I have enough information where I can talk about this. So, Shigaraki has been a main villain since pretty much the start of the show but has now become more prominent than ever this season. He is actually the big bad which he hasn't actually been in previous seasons. It's either been Stain, Afo, Overhaul or someone else. I've always had mixed feelings about the character. First off, I think his origin episode came way too late, end of s5 for a main villain. Although his origin is certainly interesting, the fact he struggles with his 2 sides, he wanted to be a hero but has his quirk(dark) side. His abusive father triggers his dark side and with no one else to turn to Afo takes him in and further manipulates him. I think that's a great idea for a villain, but as great an idea is it's let down by its execution. We don't actually get to see him struggle with his 2 sides in the previous seasons and he's just a typical bad guy out to cause chaos with no sign of a deeper motivation . One of the most important aspects about the character is that he's being manipulated by Afo but we don't actually get to see that. How is he getting manipulated? What is Afo approach to manipulating him? Aside from a couple scenes here and there there's not much depth to it and I think there should be because that sort of relationship is deeply psychological. The idea and concept of Shigaraki is very interesting but the way that his story is structured and presented is lacking.
Sorry if this was too long, maybe should've written a review but I'm just more of a forum guy. I've been a big fan of MHA since the early seasons and always thought the show had a lot of potential but I think the way the story and characters have progressed has been subpar. I'll watch the rest of the season anyway though and just try to enjoy and of course if you're enjoying the show then that's a good thing and more power to you
Apr 12, 2023 10:11 AM
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You don't expect people to read this much right
Apr 12, 2023 10:12 AM
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yes ( i didnt read it)
Apr 12, 2023 10:26 AM
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Phantomtroupe97 said:
I'll start by saying Ive watched up till ep 6 of this season so definitely not caught up but I think I have enough information where I can talk about this. So, Shigaraki has been a main villain since pretty much the start of the show but has now become more prominent than ever this season. He is actually the big bad which he hasn't actually been in previous seasons. It's either been Stain, Afo, Overhaul or someone else. I've always had mixed feelings about the character. First off, I think his origin episode came way too late, end of s5 for a main villain. Although his origin is certainly interesting, the fact he struggles with his 2 sides, he wanted to be a hero but has his quirk(dark) side. His abusive father triggers his dark side and with no one else to turn to Afo takes him in and further manipulates him. I think that's a great idea for a villain, but as great an idea is it's let down by its execution. We don't actually get to see him struggle with his 2 sides in the previous seasons and he's just a typical bad guy out to cause chaos with no sign of a deeper motivation . One of the most important aspects about the character is that he's being manipulated by Afo but we don't actually get to see that. How is he getting manipulated? What is Afo approach to manipulating him? Aside from a couple scenes here and there there's not much depth to it and I think there should be because that sort of relationship is deeply psychological. The idea and concept of Shigaraki is very interesting but the way that his story is structured and presented is lacking.
Sorry if this was too long, maybe should've written a review but I'm just more of a forum guy. I've been a big fan of MHA since the early seasons and always thought the show had a lot of potential but I think the way the story and characters have progressed has been subpar. I'll watch the rest of the season anyway though and just try to enjoy and of course if you're enjoying the show then that's a good thing and more power to you

My Hero as a whole suffers from the problem of “wow this backstory and character is super interesting on paper. Why does it not feel that way in the show?”. The show after season 3 I feel has just been brought down by dragging out the climax and not giving certain characters more depth. Also the cast is too big they would never be able to please everyone. https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/05/02/my-hero-academia-mangaka-reveals-fan-rejection-of-villains-led-to-delay-of-traitor-reveal-rushing-of-forest-training-camp-arc/amp/
Check out this link as well, I think this is why the series as a whole has suffered
Apr 12, 2023 10:27 AM
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Yes, I agree Tomura's backstory was revealed too late. And I think that Twice's backstory should have been revealed earlier and more deeply too.
Apr 12, 2023 10:48 AM
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I think there's a Vegeta aspect to Shigaraki's situation which is why things go the way they do
Apr 12, 2023 11:12 AM
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i stopped reading like 1/4 can you make a summary
Apr 12, 2023 11:27 AM
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i just like the show beacues of last season
Apr 12, 2023 12:14 PM
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Just finish watching season 6
It answers most of your questions
Apr 12, 2023 1:31 PM
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Phantomtroupe97 said:
I'll start by saying Ive watched up till ep 6 of this season so definitely not caught up but I think I have enough information where I can talk about this. So, Shigaraki has been a main villain since pretty much the start of the show but has now become more prominent than ever this season. He is actually the big bad which he hasn't actually been in previous seasons. It's either been Stain, Afo, Overhaul or someone else. I've always had mixed feelings about the character. First off, I think his origin episode came way too late, end of s5 for a main villain. Although his origin is certainly interesting, the fact he struggles with his 2 sides, he wanted to be a hero but has his quirk(dark) side. His abusive father triggers his dark side and with no one else to turn to Afo takes him in and further manipulates him. I think that's a great idea for a villain, but as great an idea is it's let down by its execution. We don't actually get to see him struggle with his 2 sides in the previous seasons and he's just a typical bad guy out to cause chaos with no sign of a deeper motivation . One of the most important aspects about the character is that he's being manipulated by Afo but we don't actually get to see that. How is he getting manipulated? What is Afo approach to manipulating him? Aside from a couple scenes here and there there's not much depth to it and I think there should be because that sort of relationship is deeply psychological. The idea and concept of Shigaraki is very interesting but the way that his story is structured and presented is lacking.
Sorry if this was too long, maybe should've written a review but I'm just more of a forum guy. I've been a big fan of MHA since the early seasons and always thought the show had a lot of potential but I think the way the story and characters have progressed has been subpar. I'll watch the rest of the season anyway though and just try to enjoy and of course if you're enjoying the show then that's a good thing and more power to you

I’ll start by saying that I 100% agree with this but since we got the backstories late we have to work with that. However, encourage you to rewatch the anime from the beginning. I’ve recently rewatch it and noticed so many things about characters that I didn’t notice before. When it goes to Shigiraki, we may have had to wait a while for his origin but we got small teasers of his origin from AFO’s backstories. You also have to realize that Shigiraki is meant to be a two dimensional character in the beginning of the series as AFO says himself that he tried to make Tomera hate All might with all his being and to hate all other heroes to create a crazed maniac who’s easy to manipulate. It’s only until the fifth season we get to see his story because the audience is meant to sympathize slightly with him so that in season 6 we can sympathize with him even more when watching him he manipulated by AFO. I believe that AFO is actually the main villain of the series and Shigiraki is more of a pawn and supposed to be a parallel to Deku, and as you continue to watch s6 you’ll see that AFO’s plan was never for Shigiraki to be the big bad but to be a vessel for AFO.

I hope this makes as much sense as it does to me.
Apr 12, 2023 2:20 PM

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Funny, I was telling my husband similar opinions over dinner tonight. I agree that character development seems rather shallow when compared to their concepts, but I'm placing my strong opinions on hold for now.
As someone above said, I only got hooked during season 6. Everything before felt way too childish except for Stain's ideology and the whole "who's gonna save the hero" premise lurking in the shadows.
As for Tomura, in my view he was being prepared. A broken weapon not yet ready to be used by AFO, cue the sidelines. Along this journey, underexplored, I agree, he begins finding some protagonism due to his loyal followers, though it's not quite clear why people would see a leader in him... anyway. I believe he doesn't really have an objective like AFO so he just stands by until... wait. Are you done with season 6 yet?
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Apr 12, 2023 2:34 PM
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dohani said:
Funny, I was telling my husband similar opinions over dinner tonight. I agree that character development seems rather shallow when compared to their concepts, but I'm placing my strong opinions on hold for now.
As someone above said, I only got hooked during season 6. Everything before felt way too childish except for Stain's ideology and the whole "who's gonna save the hero" premise lurking in the shadows.
As for Tomura, in my view he was being prepared. A broken weapon not yet ready to be used by AFO, cue the sidelines. Along this journey, underexplored, I agree, he begins finding some protagonism due to his loyal followers, though it's not quite clear why people would see a leader in him... anyway. I believe he doesn't really have an objective like AFO so he just stands by until... wait. Are you done with season 6 yet?

Well said, I agree that shiggy is meant to be a weapon and a pawn for AFO and his story is meant to be a parallel to Deku’s as scene through both of their origins.
Apr 12, 2023 4:02 PM
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Ladusa said:
Yes, I agree Tomura's backstory was revealed too late. And I think that Twice's backstory should have been revealed earlier and more deeply too.

I agree but I think it was cool to see so many back storys dumped in the same season. It was very informative.
Apr 12, 2023 5:09 PM
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-andrew said:
dohani said:
Funny, I was telling my husband similar opinions over dinner tonight. I agree that character development seems rather shallow when compared to their concepts, but I'm placing my strong opinions on hold for now.
As someone above said, I only got hooked during season 6. Everything before felt way too childish except for Stain's ideology and the whole "who's gonna save the hero" premise lurking in the shadows.
As for Tomura, in my view he was being prepared. A broken weapon not yet ready to be used by AFO, cue the sidelines. Along this journey, underexplored, I agree, he begins finding some protagonism due to his loyal followers, though it's not quite clear why people would see a leader in him... anyway. I believe he doesn't really have an objective like AFO so he just stands by until... wait. Are you done with season 6 yet?

Well said, I agree that shiggy is meant to be a weapon and a pawn for AFO and his story is meant to be a parallel to Deku’s as scene through both of their origins.

I will forever call him shiggy now, thank you.
Apr 12, 2023 10:32 PM
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Phantomtroupe97 said:
I'll start by saying Ive watched up till ep 6 of this season so definitely not caught up but I think I have enough information where I can talk about this. So, Shigaraki has been a main villain since pretty much the start of the show but has now become more prominent than ever this season. He is actually the big bad which he hasn't actually been in previous seasons. It's either been Stain, Afo, Overhaul or someone else. I've always had mixed feelings about the character. First off, I think his origin episode came way too late, end of s5 for a main villain. Although his origin is certainly interesting, the fact he struggles with his 2 sides, he wanted to be a hero but has his quirk(dark) side. His abusive father triggers his dark side and with no one else to turn to Afo takes him in and further manipulates him. I think that's a great idea for a villain, but as great an idea is it's let down by its execution. We don't actually get to see him struggle with his 2 sides in the previous seasons and he's just a typical bad guy out to cause chaos with no sign of a deeper motivation . One of the most important aspects about the character is that he's being manipulated by Afo but we don't actually get to see that. How is he getting manipulated? What is Afo approach to manipulating him? Aside from a couple scenes here and there there's not much depth to it and I think there should be because that sort of relationship is deeply psychological. The idea and concept of Shigaraki is very interesting but the way that his story is structured and presented is lacking.
Sorry if this was too long, maybe should've written a review but I'm just more of a forum guy. I've been a big fan of MHA since the early seasons and always thought the show had a lot of potential but I think the way the story and characters have progressed has been subpar. I'll watch the rest of the season anyway though and just try to enjoy and of course if you're enjoying the show then that's a good thing and more power to you

Well Finish S6 and u will get ans for most of ur questions.
Apr 13, 2023 4:07 AM
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Phantomtroupe97 said:
I'll start by saying Ive watched up till ep 6 of this season so definitely not caught up but I think I have enough information where I can talk about this. So, Shigaraki has been a main villain since pretty much the start of the show but has now become more prominent than ever this season. He is actually the big bad which he hasn't actually been in previous seasons. It's either been Stain, Afo, Overhaul or someone else. I've always had mixed feelings about the character. First off, I think his origin episode came way too late, end of s5 for a main villain. Although his origin is certainly interesting, the fact he struggles with his 2 sides, he wanted to be a hero but has his quirk(dark) side. His abusive father triggers his dark side and with no one else to turn to Afo takes him in and further manipulates him. I think that's a great idea for a villain, but as great an idea is it's let down by its execution. We don't actually get to see him struggle with his 2 sides in the previous seasons and he's just a typical bad guy out to cause chaos with no sign of a deeper motivation . One of the most important aspects about the character is that he's being manipulated by Afo but we don't actually get to see that. How is he getting manipulated? What is Afo approach to manipulating him? Aside from a couple scenes here and there there's not much depth to it and I think there should be because that sort of relationship is deeply psychological. The idea and concept of Shigaraki is very interesting but the way that his story is structured and presented is lacking.
Sorry if this was too long, maybe should've written a review but I'm just more of a forum guy. I've been a big fan of MHA since the early seasons and always thought the show had a lot of potential but I think the way the story and characters have progressed has been subpar. I'll watch the rest of the season anyway though and just try to enjoy and of course if you're enjoying the show then that's a good thing and more power to you

Once you finish the season you will get to know how he is being manipulated actually and answers to such all questions
Apr 13, 2023 8:07 AM
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Ladusa said:
Yes, I agree Tomura's backstory was revealed too late. And I think that Twice's backstory should have been revealed earlier and more deeply too.

Agree with both of these. Even so, they’re by far some of my favorite characters
Apr 14, 2023 1:36 PM
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You don't expect people to read this much right

Excactly my thoughts 😹
Apr 14, 2023 1:53 PM

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I agree. Tomura's development was nonexistent on several fronts. My issue is here is that we are told Tomura evolved when he actually did not. During the Meta Liberation arc, we are told that Shigaraki evolved as a leader capable of leading the league of villains, when all he has done is beaten Redestro in what was just a battle of physical might; his only evolution so far was to go from wanting to kill Deku/All-Might and to destroy hero society. Which begs the question of why are so many people are following Shigaraki?

He has no desired world with which to supplant hero society with, he just wants complete destruction. This is or should be at complete odds with what many villains want, especially the remnants of the Meta Liberation army who were essentially just libertarians, not anarchists. How on Earth did Shigaraki really evolve as a leader besides maybe treating the other League of Villain members a tiny bit better? He has no actual goals, which would be fine if the series didn't want to pretend that he is somehow a successor/contender for All For One's Position as the world's most dangerous villain and as a leader. Having so many people following him when he has no qualities of a leader of that level is just so forced, and it wasn't like the MLA/PLF was all the relevant in the following chapters either, if they are going to make Shigaraki absolutely busted.

Which brings up my next point. Hori gave him several buffs that came from external sources rather than any any actual effort of knowhow. However, by making his growth dependent on external factors renders less of an actual character driving the story, and simply an obstacle for Deku to overcome. Who I might add has yet to really test Deku up until the final arc on a moral and arguably philosophical level; Shigaraki has to failed to kill or maim someone particularly close to Deku that would cause Deku to rethink his silly heroic naivete.

So we got a villain that fails to challenge our hero on anything more than a physical basis, who is given goons to lead despite lacking no discernible leadership qualities, and has no greater goals or ideology rather than "rawr, destroy everything". His motivation and backstory connection to his current actions amount to "people hurt me, so I hurt them", which is just so barebones.
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