Historia (spoilers for S3 pt2)

TCAbdo said:
It's probably because Ymir said in s1 something along the lines of "marry me" and because how they were almost always together. Ymir even saved Historia and everyone else but I do remember they had a moment.

Anyways, I think people who watches the show saw that Ymir is showing attention and some sort of liking towards Historia and the "marry me" line most likely made them assume both of their sexualities and genders. Historia just blushed and didn't say anything back. Until s3 (I believe) when she said that because of Ymir's will and sacrifice she understood that she is an independent women who fights for her own life and dreams.

It sure is weird when it gets portrayed irl. Like I wouldn't like it if I was being myself with a friend and then 3rd parties come in and assume that we are together.
But if I openly said out loud that I'd marry them and show this kind of interest many times in front of those people, then I wouldn't be as surprised to see people shipping me with a person from the same gender and assume what they are seeing. It would be still kind of off and odd for myself. But at least I'd have clear understanding of where it's steaming from

official_brown said:


Right, but it seemed like a one sided relationship because Historia never said anything about to Ymir. But Historia did want to be loved and appreciated because she never received that herself.

But yeah, I get what you mean

TCAbdo said:


True. You're totally right about that. It was one sided from Ymir. Maybe Historia just didn't have the knowledge to respond to basic blatant human emotions because of her past. But by the end of it, she had a great character development.

Damn, this show really knows how to keep their viewers making discussions about almost every single detail ^

official_brown said:

True, haha! The main reason I brought it up was because I was told I was homophobic for thinking she was straight. Which kinda bothered me. But yeah, I agree with you. Historia is one of my favorite characters in the show because she’s just really strong with everything she’s gone through.

official_brown said:

True, haha! The main reason I brought it up was because I was told I was homophobic for thinking she was straight. Which kinda bothered me. But yeah, I agree with you. Historia is one of my favorite characters in the show because she’s just really strong with everything she’s gone through.

Adampk said:
I have read those art book (or I forget what its called). Isayama was definitely trying to pair up historia and ymir. This is not just some fanfic.

Only reason why u feel like that is because isayama sucks at writing romance plot.

official_brown said:


I guess. But I scoured the internet to make sure if I was right. And I keep on seeing people say that but at least in the anime it’s just a one sided romance. And Isayama never said anything of the sort in interviews. I can only see people trying to draw that conclusion. But that’s just what I could see and try to understand

And the only reason why

Adampk said:

But that is how isayama writes all his romance (same like armin case) as a mere plot device relationship which never develops beyond that.
Source of confirmation

Here one more source
https://www.reddit.com/r/ShingekiNoKyojin/comments/iu5if8/is_it_true_that_isayama_made_christa_x_ymir_canon/

So far, director and voice actress and Isayama (to a extend) has confirmed it. Obviously the confirmation wont go beyond that because of how things ended up for historia in manga and negative connotation of how japanese treat homosexuality as a phase

lolibunny64 said:
I mean, dude… Historia’s sexual orientation literally does not matter and serves no purpose in the story, you don’t need to go to these lengths to try to prove something so insignificant, it’s okay.

official_brown said:


That’s very interesting, I also googled that and saw it and many other sources said that Isayama didn’t actually say that. I don’t know why most people say he didn’t if that interview is true. And I didn’t know that homosexuality was still stigmatized in Japan.

BloodyTaer said:
wow, this post turned from expaining historia and ymir's relationship into a cryfest about someone being insecure about their sexuality

and its not even comparable to killua and gon, those tow are so clearely friends and we can see that from their interactions, in the case of historia and ymir we don't see them interacting long enough for us to judge

and shipping gon and killua is kinda discusting since theyre like 12 years olds

teezpussy said:
since historia does i would say its alright to assume she is heterosexual. if there wasn't any proof of that though, it would be a little problematic.

i'll probably get called all sorts of dumb liberal targeted insults for having this point of view but oh well!

assuming someone is straight is equally as problematic as assuming someone is gay. these assumptions encourage stereotypes and it can be harmful to a person. e.g in real life a lot of people get upset about being called gay when they're straight or vice versa. i know we're talking about a fictional character here but it helps to know.

i believe the most likely reason for people seeing historia and ymir as a viable gay couple is projection. projecting onto fictional characters is a safe way of coming to terms with who you are and all that jazz. i sometimes project too. a lot of people get annoyed about people projecting but i think for most people its a coping mechanical and they dont actually believe their projections are true.

i do agree with op tho. i don't think historia is gay. ymir on the other hand, i have lots of reasons to believe she might be.

official_brown said:


I get what you are saying. In part I was complaining about stupid people assuming I’m homophobic for not perceiving their relationship other than a deep friendship and what that entails for real life scenarios. I just wanted a neutral discussion on this to discuss how people can perceive character development and relational aspects and assume it’s just sexual feelings. It’s fun to discuss stuff like this because character analysis is interesting.

teezpussy said:
ah yes, i agree. im currently working on a character analysis for levi bc i feel like his writing is so subtle people gloss over it. i really enjoy it tbf

SocialAnxietyX-X said:
Wow going from Historia to homophobia to Levi

official_brown said:


??? Can’t tell if you are making fun of this or making an observation. If anybody thinks what I’ve said is homophobic, they just can’t take other opinions, it’s that simple.

SocialAnxietyX-X said:

No no I'm not hating this or calling you homophobic I just enjoyed the conversation and I really like reading analysis' but I could never actually make them myself as I have a bad time trying to pick out someone's psychology from body movements and speaking, although I do find it quite fascinating

official_brown said:


Cool cool, just wondering, haha. And yeah, I don’t usually have these conversations on MAL because people will just gives you slurs because you don’t believe in the same thing. And thanks, I appreciate that. I think that people can appreciate the anime more when you think about stuff like that, gives more life to the story and characters.

SocialAnxietyX-X said:

Yeah don't worry I understand people can get really annoying sometimes. My brain hates it when I can't fully understand why someone did something so reading analysis' really helps me out when I can't pick it out for myself, although there are times that people go too far with their analysis

official_brown said:


I feel that, and yeah, some dudes will write full on pages and it’s too long to read. But I think a simple analysis can help. But I’m not trying to turn this into a research paper haha.

aceoptimum_01 said:
Late to the convo but yeah i agree with your points. I also read your reply where you were called "homophobic" because you thought that Historia was straight like wtf?? People really don't know what actual homophobia is smh 🤦🏻‍♀️


But anyway yeah i agree with everything you said, especially the "one sided love" point

official_brown said:


Thank you for that. Yeah, I never really intended to be homophobic I just thought that since Historia never really was emotionally mature, I’m unsure if she could dismantle romantic feelings apart from gratefulness, happiness, confidence, and friendship. She never had affirmation other than from Ymir. So I assumed that with Historia’s tragic past she didn’t have the emotional capability to fall in love, but idk, haha. But yeah, people are really mean when you oppose their opinions 😅

aceoptimum_01 said:




I couldnt agree more. Ngl it feels nice to analyze these characters, even if they're fictional. It makes them actually feel human and stuff lol.

But anyway yeah some people are really mean, it do be like that sometimes.

official_brown said:


True true. It’s more fun than just talking about score and stuff all of the time 😅 But thanks, I appreciate your comments :)

Mahificient_79 said:
You can also say the same about Eren and Historia, why can't they just be friends? Just because they are a man and a woman doesn't mean they like eachother romantically

official_brown said:


Well, I don’t know about other people, but this convo stemmed from the idea that I didn’t really see a relationship forming for them two, and from that someone called me homophobic. So it’s the non-tolerance of those kind of ships that exist in the anime community that is hypocritical.

To address the second part, I don’t really ship Historia and Eren. I don’t really ship any of the characters at all because it doesn’t really fit in that world very well at all.

It’s more like addressing that Historia’s love for Ymir goes beyond sexual relations. More of Ymir accepted who Historia was and vice versa. People tend to water down that love to merely being attracted to someone, when in fact, it goes way beyond that to the point I didn’t see Historia liking Ymir.

So while the majority might be what you’re addressing, I don’t think I was necessarily trying to come off that way. This is me being more crass, the loud people in the LGBTQ that loves anime tends to be the ones that send death threats to VA’s or Authors (MHA). So the fact that people will defend gay ships so hard to harm other people or to label them is just intolerable. Now this isn’t everyone, but it’s just due to the intolerance of straight ships that people tend to make similar forums. Hopefully I could answer your question and I hope I didn’t offend I was just trying to be open and honest

official_brown said:


Well, I don’t know about other people, but this convo stemmed from the idea that I didn’t really see a relationship forming for them two, and from that someone called me homophobic. So it’s the non-tolerance of those kind of ships that exist in the anime community that is hypocritical.

To address the second part, I don’t really ship Historia and Eren. I don’t really ship any of the characters at all because it doesn’t really fit in that world very well at all.

It’s more like addressing that Historia’s love for Ymir goes beyond sexual relations. More of Ymir accepted who Historia was and vice versa. People tend to water down that love to merely being attracted to someone, when in fact, it goes way beyond that to the point I didn’t see Historia liking Ymir.

So while the majority might be what you’re addressing, I don’t think I was necessarily trying to come off that way. This is me being more crass, the loud people in the LGBTQ that loves anime tends to be the ones that send death threats to VA’s or Authors (MHA). So the fact that people will defend gay ships so hard to harm other people or to label them is just intolerable. Now this isn’t everyone, but it’s just due to the intolerance of straight ships that people tend to make similar forums. Hopefully I could answer your question and I hope I didn’t offend I was just trying to be open and honest

official_brown said:


Well, I don’t know about other people, but this convo stemmed from the idea that I didn’t really see a relationship forming for them two, and from that someone called me homophobic. So it’s the non-tolerance of those kind of ships that exist in the anime community that is hypocritical.

To address the second part, I don’t really ship Historia and Eren. I don’t really ship any of the characters at all because it doesn’t really fit in that world very well at all.

It’s more like addressing that Historia’s love for Ymir goes beyond sexual relations. More of Ymir accepted who Historia was and vice versa. People tend to water down that love to merely being attracted to someone, when in fact, it goes way beyond that to the point I didn’t see Historia liking Ymir.

So while the majority might be what you’re addressing, I don’t think I was necessarily trying to come off that way. This is me being more crass, the loud people in the LGBTQ that loves anime tends to be the ones that send death threats to VA’s or Authors (MHA). So the fact that people will defend gay ships so hard to harm other people or to label them is just intolerable. Now this isn’t everyone, but it’s just due to the intolerance of straight ships that people tend to make similar forums. Hopefully I could answer your question and I hope I didn’t offend I was just trying to be open and honest

official_brown said:


Well, I don’t know about other people, but this convo stemmed from the idea that I didn’t really see a relationship forming for them two, and from that someone called me homophobic. So it’s the non-tolerance of those kind of ships that exist in the anime community that is hypocritical.

To address the second part, I don’t really ship Historia and Eren. I don’t really ship any of the characters at all because it doesn’t really fit in that world very well at all.

It’s more like addressing that Historia’s love for Ymir goes beyond sexual relations. More of Ymir accepted who Historia was and vice versa. People tend to water down that love to merely being attracted to someone, when in fact, it goes way beyond that to the point I didn’t see Historia liking Ymir.

So while the majority might be what you’re addressing, I don’t think I was necessarily trying to come off that way. This is me being more crass, the loud people in the LGBTQ that loves anime tends to be the ones that send death threats to VA’s or Authors (MHA). So the fact that people will defend gay ships so hard to harm other people or to label them is just intolerable. Now this isn’t everyone, but it’s just due to the intolerance of straight ships that people tend to make similar forums. Hopefully I could answer your question and I hope I didn’t offend I was just trying to be open and honest

official_brown said:


Well, I don’t know about other people, but this convo stemmed from the idea that I didn’t really see a relationship forming for them two, and from that someone called me homophobic. So it’s the non-tolerance of those kind of ships that exist in the anime community that is hypocritical.

To address the second part, I don’t really ship Historia and Eren. I don’t really ship any of the characters at all because it doesn’t really fit in that world very well at all.

It’s more like addressing that Historia’s love for Ymir goes beyond sexual relations. More of Ymir accepted who Historia was and vice versa. People tend to water down that love to merely being attracted to someone, when in fact, it goes way beyond that to the point I didn’t see Historia liking Ymir.

So while the majority might be what you’re addressing, I don’t think I was necessarily trying to come off that way. This is me being more crass, the loud people in the LGBTQ that loves anime tends to be the ones that send death threats to VA’s or Authors (MHA). So the fact that people will defend gay ships so hard to harm other people or to label them is just intolerable. Now this isn’t everyone, but it’s just due to the intolerance of straight ships that people tend to make similar forums. Hopefully I could answer your question and I hope I didn’t offend I was just trying to be open and honest

official_brown said:


Well, I don’t know about other people, but this convo stemmed from the idea that I didn’t really see a relationship forming for them two, and from that someone called me homophobic. So it’s the non-tolerance of those kind of ships that exist in the anime community that is hypocritical.

To address the second part, I don’t really ship Historia and Eren. I don’t really ship any of the characters at all because it doesn’t really fit in that world very well at all.

It’s more like addressing that Historia’s love for Ymir goes beyond sexual relations. More of Ymir accepted who Historia was and vice versa. People tend to water down that love to merely being attracted to someone, when in fact, it goes way beyond that to the point I didn’t see Historia liking Ymir.

So while the majority might be what you’re addressing, I don’t think I was necessarily trying to come off that way. This is me being more crass, the loud people in the LGBTQ that loves anime tends to be the ones that send death threats to VA’s or Authors (MHA). So the fact that people will defend gay ships so hard to harm other people or to label them is just intolerable. Now this isn’t everyone, but it’s just due to the intolerance of straight ships that people tend to make similar forums. Hopefully I could answer your question and I hope I didn’t offend I was just trying to be open and honest

official_brown said:


Well, I don’t know about other people, but this convo stemmed from the idea that I didn’t really see a relationship forming for them two, and from that someone called me homophobic. So it’s the non-tolerance of those kind of ships that exist in the anime community that is hypocritical.

To address the second part, I don’t really ship Historia and Eren. I don’t really ship any of the characters at all because it doesn’t really fit in that world very well at all.

It’s more like addressing that Historia’s love for Ymir goes beyond sexual relations. More of Ymir accepted who Historia was and vice versa. People tend to water down that love to merely being attracted to someone, when in fact, it goes way beyond that to the point I didn’t see Historia liking Ymir.

So while the majority might be what you’re addressing, I don’t think I was necessarily trying to come off that way. This is me being more crass, the loud people in the LGBTQ that loves anime tends to be the ones that send death threats to VA’s or Authors (MHA). So the fact that people will defend gay ships so hard to harm other people or to label them is just intolerable. Now this isn’t everyone, but it’s just due to the intolerance of straight ships that people tend to make similar forums. Hopefully I could answer your question and I hope I didn’t offend I was just trying to be open and honest

official_brown said:


Well, I don’t know about other people, but this convo stemmed from the idea that I didn’t really see a relationship forming for them two, and from that someone called me homophobic. So it’s the non-tolerance of those kind of ships that exist in the anime community that is hypocritical.

To address the second part, I don’t really ship Historia and Eren. I don’t really ship any of the characters at all because it doesn’t really fit in that world very well at all.

It’s more like addressing that Historia’s love for Ymir goes beyond sexual relations. More of Ymir accepted who Historia was and vice versa. People tend to water down that love to merely being attracted to someone, when in fact, it goes way beyond that to the point I didn’t see Historia liking Ymir.

So while the majority might be what you’re addressing, I don’t think I was necessarily trying to come off that way. This is me being more crass, the loud people in the LGBTQ that loves anime tends to be the ones that send death threats to VA’s or Authors (MHA). So the fact that people will defend gay ships so hard to harm other people or to label them is just intolerable. Now this isn’t everyone, but it’s just due to the intolerance of straight ships that people tend to make similar forums. Hopefully I could answer your question and I hope I didn’t offend I was just trying to be open and honest

official_brown said:


Well, I don’t know about other people, but this convo stemmed from the idea that I didn’t really see a relationship forming for them two, and from that someone called me homophobic. So it’s the non-tolerance of those kind of ships that exist in the anime community that is hypocritical.

To address the second part, I don’t really ship Historia and Eren. I don’t really ship any of the characters at all because it doesn’t really fit in that world very well at all.

It’s more like addressing that Historia’s love for Ymir goes beyond sexual relations. More of Ymir accepted who Historia was and vice versa. People tend to water down that love to merely being attracted to someone, when in fact, it goes way beyond that to the point I didn’t see Historia liking Ymir.

So while the majority might be what you’re addressing, I don’t think I was necessarily trying to come off that way. This is me being more crass, the loud people in the LGBTQ that loves anime tends to be the ones that send death threats to VA’s or Authors (MHA). So the fact that people will defend gay ships so hard to harm other people or to label them is just intolerable. Now this isn’t everyone, but it’s just due to the intolerance of straight ships that people tend to make similar forums. Hopefully I could answer your question and I hope I didn’t offend I was just trying to be open and honest

official_brown said:


Well, I don’t know about other people, but this convo stemmed from the idea that I didn’t really see a relationship forming for them two, and from that someone called me homophobic. So it’s the non-tolerance of those kind of ships that exist in the anime community that is hypocritical.

To address the second part, I don’t really ship Historia and Eren. I don’t really ship any of the characters at all because it doesn’t really fit in that world very well at all.

It’s more like addressing that Historia’s love for Ymir goes beyond sexual relations. More of Ymir accepted who Historia was and vice versa. People tend to water down that love to merely being attracted to someone, when in fact, it goes way beyond that to the point I didn’t see Historia liking Ymir.

So while the majority might be what you’re addressing, I don’t think I was necessarily trying to come off that way. This is me being more crass, the loud people in the LGBTQ that loves anime tends to be the ones that send death threats to VA’s or Authors (MHA). So the fact that people will defend gay ships so hard to harm other people or to label them is just intolerable. Now this isn’t everyone, but it’s just due to the intolerance of straight ships that people tend to make similar forums. Hopefully I could answer your question and I hope I didn’t offend I was just trying to be open and honest

Mahificient_79 said:
The rumour of people in the LGBT community sending death threats to the creator and voice actors is literally not true lol, people just LGBT fans sending death threats to the creator because their ship didn't become canon isn't true, it was actually because of Endeavours redemption arch or something like that. I just don't see a problem with people shipping same sex relationships such as Historia and Ymir, because LGBTQ rep is very rare, and same sex friendships are the most represented. Its like how people ship one sided straight pairings, its not that big of a deal unless its toxic or illegal.