Is 86 really that good?

"giant robots or machines" does not change anything to my points. Are you incapable of reading? "Giant robots or giant machines controlled by people " => 86 mechs are not "mechs" according to your definition because 86 mechs are not giant. "machines controlled by people" => tanks in Girls und Panzer are mechs because the girls enter the tanks to fight and the tanks are machines controlled by people. It's your definition, not mine. 
I have never said anything about the morality of redo of healer, what are you on about? It is just bad and boring af, bad writing, bad cinematography, bad story telling, zero character development. Totally below mid, 5.5/10 at most. Point is, if you rate below mid animes like redo of healer 10/10, you have zero credibility when accusing someone else of having trash taste lol. 
"your referencing on about is the specs of actual Star Trek machines and shit which I’m not versed" If you are not versed at, then obviously stop commenting. 86 mechs are basically scifi tanks/armored vehicles, Juggernaut being an MGS similar to Stryker MGS, Vánagandr is basically a tank, literally based off the famous M4 Sherman. If you replace 86 mechs with actual tanks and armored vehicles, nothing will change. 86 mechs are based off tanks and fight like tanks do, so if you replace them with tanks, the story remains exactly the same. If you replace the mechs in Gundam series with tanks, well, you can't, tanks don't fly into space to do sword fights.

@MrJ588 this is obvious satire redo bad writing a true protagonist that stick to his values lol no character development another lol it’s obvious you just have prejudice against the genre because ain’t no way are you gonna defend 86 a navie unrealistic female mc that knows nothing of the real world and is all fuzzy and Cotten candy. The female mc told the 86 that were encamped of mainly against their free will why don’t you just stop being 86 why don’t you just leave as if it is that easy and your actually the defend that trash shit yeooooo LMFAOOOOOO bro horrbile characterization and you have the gall to ridicule a anymore that breeches out the norms and subsides from troupe yeahhh all that Star Trek research getting too you the cinematography is bad? yeah he just trnna find any reason to justify a trash ass show. And way to take things out of context you are going in depth about tanks models and shit ofc I’m not versed in such expertise tf who is 😭 overall horrbile take stating vehicles diesnt defend your premise stop talking about armored trucks it has nothing to do with the argument the entirety of the argument is that 86 is your standard mecca anime, in the wiki I applied too you it said meccas are giant robots or machines. You’re saying you see by your definition mecca is giant machine and 86 aren’t giant like bro the word machine means machine just because I said giant robot doesn’t also mean I’m applying giant upon machines as well because the definition literally states machines machines meaning big or small

@MrJ588 this is obvious satire redo bad writing a true protagonist that stick to his values lol no character development another lol it’s obvious you just have prejudice against the genre because ain’t no way are you gonna defend 86 a navie unrealistic female mc that knows nothing of the real world and is all fuzzy and Cotten candy. The female mc told the 86 that were encamped of mainly against their free will why don’t you just stop being 86 why don’t you just leave as if it is that easy and your actually the defend that trash shit yeooooo LMFAOOOOOO bro horrbile characterization and you have the gall to ridicule a anymore that breeches out the norms and subsides from troupe yeahhh all that Star Trek research getting too you the cinematography is bad? yeah he just trnna find any reason to justify a trash ass show. And way to take things out of context you are going in depth about tanks models and shit ofc I’m not versed in such expertise tf who is 😭 overall horrbile take stating vehicles diesnt defend your premise stop talking about armored trucks it has nothing to do with the argument the entirety of the argument is that 86 is your standard mecca anime, in the wiki I applied too you it said meccas are giant robots or machines. You’re saying you see by your definition mecca is giant machine and 86 aren’t giant like bro the word machine means machine just because I said giant robot doesn’t also mean I’m applying giant upon machines as well because the definition literally states machines machines meaning big or small

@Whyyouask
Protagonist sticking to his value doesn't have anything to do with quality of the writing of a show. How old are you? 12? Kirito sticks to his value in Sword Art Online, does it have anything to do with the quality of the writing? No. Do you even know what good writing means? You can have characters sticking to their values and bad writing at the same time, they are not mutually exclusive. You must be trolling, no real person can say this much bullshit with this level of confidence. And I have said many times, but since you can't read I will repeat again: I have nothing against isekai, I myself love isekai, even trash ones. Mushoku Tensei is my top 3 anime, but Mushoku Tensei has good writing, good character development, BEAUTIFUL cinematography, it is objectively well made and well directed, and redo of healer isn't any of those things. Redo of healer is objectively totally below mid, 5.5/10 at most, maybe 6 if I want to be generous. Point is, if you rate below mid animes like redo of healer 10/10, you have zero credibility when accusing someone else of having trash taste lol. You are more than welcome to like a trash show, but trash shows like redo of healer are objectively trash. And again, stop saying I have something against the genre, I watch almost all isekais every season.

Also, I have never said anything about the quality of 86 to you, so why are you arguing about the quality of 86 with me? Well I know why, you are changing the topic because you can not make a single counter-argument against the points I laid out to you. I said the 86 is not a standard mecha anime, and you went out of your way to prove that I am right, so thank you I guess?

"You’re saying you see by your definition mecca is giant machine" No I did not say that. I said very clearly that even if you remove the giant part, according to your definition, mechs are "machines controlled by people", hence tanks in Girls und Panzer are mechs because the girls enter the tanks to fight and the tanks are machines controlled by people. Do you get it now? 86 is not your standard mecha because the mechs have nothing to do with the story, if you replace all the mechs with actual tanks and armored vehicles, nothing will change to the story. 86 mechs are based off tanks and fight like tanks do, so if you replace them with tanks, the story remains exactly the same, which cannot be said for any actual mecha anime. Try replacing the mechs in Gundam with actual tanks and come back here explain to me how tanks can fly into space and do sword fights.

@Whyyouask

Lena being smart but also very naive is the whole point, she's a noble sheltered like a princess and so blinded by her ideas surrounded by racist people with literally no one that would teach or help her, she knows nothing about the world because how would she when they've been living inside the wall the whole time duh and the fact that subconsciously she was still a racist before theo lash out to her. Idk she's pretty realistic to me

Lena ask them why they just can't rebel because they can! They literally just have to let the legion run through the republic but the 86ers didn't do it because of their pride.

Also according to the wiki you said, it literally states that they are giant robots or machines controlled by people, typically depicted as HUMANOID walking vehicles, none of that is in 86 and it does not fall under standard mecha anime lol and stop calling us prejudice just to defend your trash shows because that's fxxking cringe

@addie1998 typically doesn’t mean always bro where’s the logic this shit a lil frustrating. Imagine trying to convince humans driving in robots not a Mecca like brooo who are you guys😭😭😭😭😭😭🗿🗿. And her being blinded by her ideals isn’t sweet or compassionate, it’s just our right retarded and unhinged. Bros is the bias, you over looking horrible character qualities just to defend an anime you like isn’t helpful. You’re proving your stances pertains to only your narrative.

@MrJ588 the cop 😭😭 86 is not your standard mecca, ok that doesn’t devoid it from being a mecca. Stop trying to find loopholes to fit your reasoning, Such a mundane hypotheticals to say well if the 86 were replaced with “armored tanks” well news flash they’re aren’t. It’s pretty obvious what’s better your average troupe with tedious pesky naive mc🗿 or a refreshing controversial show the breaks through anime barriers it’s clear which is better. Also the difference is you went to redo with a degenerative mindset ofc you weren’t going to enjoy it and supply it with “bad writing” if the aspects aren’t for you, you more susceptible to judge it harsh. Much like many others I went into 86 with the preconceived notation that hey this might actually be worthwhile, then phewwww here goes a robot Ka Ka Ka boom laser ah ah pew pew LMFAOOOOOOoooooo at least redo mc is entertaining once again 86 mc to d really to likr I mean like really

@Whyyouask

Are you really that dumb? again there is no HUMANOID ROBOTS that people pilot in 86 lmao and lena blinded by her ideals is not sweet or compassionate, it's just sad and disappointing that she can't see the truth which is pretty realistic to me and a part of her flaws because character development exist duh

@Whyyouask

I read the manga of redo of healer before the anime came out and it's objectively fxxking trash like the mc is trying to be so edgy which is very cringe but fails incredibly, also there's no laser in 86 and the mechs in 86 are literally just armored tanks lmao

@addie1998 you find him edgy because he wants to have sex? lol whatever moralist

@addie1998 that’s a clear example of just how bad a character quality’s is don’t try to twist things to fortune you. Makes you look desperate

@MrJ588 the cop 😭😭 86 is not your standard mecca, ok that doesn’t devoid it from being a mecca. Stop trying to find loopholes to fit your reasoning, Such a mundane hypotheticals to say well if the 86 were replaced with “armored tanks” well news flash they’re aren’t. It’s pretty obvious what’s better your average troupe with tedious pesky naive mc🗿 or a refreshing controversial show the breaks through anime barriers it’s clear which is better. Also the difference is you went to redo with a degenerative mindset ofc you weren’t going to enjoy it and supply it with “bad writing” if the aspects aren’t for you, you more susceptible to judge it harsh. Much like many others I went into 86 with the preconceived notation that hey this might actually be worthwhile, then phewwww here goes a robot Ka Ka Ka boom laser ah ah pew pew LMFAOOOOOOoooooo at least redo mc is entertaining once again 86 mc to d really to likr I mean like really

@Whyyouask

Are you really that dumb? again there is no HUMANOID ROBOTS that people pilot in 86 lmao and lena blinded by her ideals is not sweet or compassionate, it's just sad and disappointing that she can't see the truth which is pretty realistic to me and a part of her flaws because character development exist duh

@addie1998 I think we are talking to a 12 to 15-year-old kid who doesn't know life works. Being born under an authoritarian regime I can confirm how Lena acted was extremely realistic to any 17/18-year-old girl who wanted to do good. You were filled from birth with propaganda from the state, you realized that everything was wrong, you deeply wanted to fix it but you didn't know how, because all the knowledge you got were from state's propaganda. You couldn't just go against the state, you would just be imprisoned or executed. So you tried to be nice to the oppressed, but then it came off super condescending to the oppressed. Like what, I am supposed to like you when your regime have oppressed and killed my friends and family just because you act a little nice? That is SO realistic. Imagine you were a Jew in a concentration camp during World War 2, and some daughter of a SS officer just came to you and acted very chummy. When you are the oppressed, you don't want someone being nice to you, that's just pity, you want people putting their lives on the line to fix things. The character development here is that Lena realized that she was extremely naive and started putting her life on the line to fight for the 86. Her transition from the naive Lena to the Bloody Regina is very satisfying. In a sense she transformed from some naive daughter of an SS officer to Oskar Schindler.

But of course some 12 to 15-y-o kid wouldn't understand that. "Muh FMC is too naive", that's the point of character development lol. She used to be naive but she is not anymore.

@addie1998 I think we are talking to a 12 to 15-year-old kid who doesn't know life works. Being born under an authoritarian regime I can confirm how Lena acted was extremely realistic to any 17/18-year-old girl who wanted to do good. You were filled from birth with propaganda from the state, you realized that everything was wrong, you deeply wanted to fix it but you didn't know how, because all the knowledge you got were from state's propaganda. You couldn't just go against the state, you would just be imprisoned or executed. So you tried to be nice to the oppressed, but then it came off super condescending to the oppressed. Like what, I am supposed to like you when your regime have oppressed and killed my friends and family just because you act a little nice? That is SO realistic. Imagine you were a Jew in a concentration camp during World War 2, and some daughter of a SS officer just came to you and acted very chummy. When you are the oppressed, you don't want someone being nice to you, that's just pity, you want people putting their lives on the line to fix things. The character development here is that Lena realized that she was extremely naive and started putting her life on the line to fight for the 86. Her transition from the naive Lena to the Bloody Regina is very satisfying. In a sense she transformed from some naive daughter of an SS officer to Oskar Schindler.

But of course some 12 to 15-y-o kid wouldn't understand that. "Muh FMC is too naive", that's the point of character development lol. She used to be naive but she is not anymore.

@addie1998 hell nah I see exactly you just did bro is summing up the entire beginning of the anime to try and pertain to his own narrative. It still doesn’t account for her being an horrible mc. It’s ok to want to do good and help others out no one is faulting her feeling such emotions. Where the issue lies is on how she goes about executing her help. She shows her tenacity in doing things that are meaningless, which in turn makes her highly dislikable. When doth first stated that she was naive it wasn’t directed towards her feelings and in wanting to save the 86. It was more so on how she provides them with false hope and illogical solutions ultimately becoming a pest and a hindrance to those around her who have been protecting her for her entire cushioned life that allows her to even propagate such discrepancies. As I’m sure you can imagine, if it was anyone other than her endlessly asking to save the 86. They would have been condemned and or thrown out to be with the 86. Stop tap dancing around her ungrateful personality. Oh how I wish someone with authority snatch the headphones of the bitch hand before the story even has a chance to progress it would just feel so invigorating to see her cry and then like redo rape her 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭yeooooo

@Whyyouask she can't help/save them that was the point, did you watch the show?this is not the same with your redo mc where his powers was just handed to him for the sake of being mc, her job description is literally to send the 86 to their deaths. What false hope? Like the 86ers already knew she can't do anything against the whole system they're just going with the flow as to not hurt lena lmao, the alba is the one giving false hope to its citizen lul . So she becomes a pest and hindrance for being good okay how?, while the alba is just waiting for their own destruction how is that protecting her? If it's anyone other than lena the alba they will still not throw them out to the 86 district because of their culture. So you show your true colors at the end huh you can eat that shxt 😭

@Whyyouask she can't help/save them that was the point, did you watch the show?this is not the same with your redo mc where his powers was just handed to him for the sake of being mc, her job description is literally to send the 86 to their deaths. What false hope? Like the 86ers already knew she can't do anything against the whole system they're just going with the flow as to not hurt lena lmao, the alba is the one giving false hope to its citizen lul . So she becomes a pest and hindrance for being good okay how?, while the alba is just waiting for their own destruction how is that protecting her? If it's anyone other than lena the alba they will still not throw them out to the 86 district because of their culture. So you show your true colors at the end huh you can eat that shxt 😭

@addie1998 it’s quite literally an example of a necessary evil

@addie1998 the nation was protecting Lena and giving her a comfortable life. And what false hope lol even if you do believe the hope you are being reciprocated it’s still false hope the hell do you not understand about that. I like how you tried to say powers just handed to him like he doesn’t face excruciating paon to get stronger or level up. Unlike you I actually watch 86 up to seven episodes to be precise and it was awful. You deman redo based on biases and how immoral it is grow tf up stop being immature. And yes she was becoming a pest do you have any idea how many times she has tried to coerce her uncle and her ex friend to abject themselves to her values that is the epitome of being insensitive to think they just don’t care at all but the nation becomes first if the robots that have a mind of their own ugh so fucking trash tf is this wreck it Ralph ?!?😭😭 if the robots didn’t exist they wouldn’t have been prejudice towards the 86

@Whyyouask the country is literally waiting for it's destruction like what do you not understand but since you only watched up to 7 eps you didn't know her country was destroyed and how the fxxk would she even have a comfortable life when her country was built by millions human sacrificies. That's not make her a character bad lmao but not anymore since those false hope you said are coming true,her country is literally doing the exact thing but worse to its citizen. Yeah the same with these generic trash fantasy mc maybe you need to ask yourself about being immature, nonsense you only watched 7 episodes but i READ the manga and it was fxxking trash so you don't understand even war veterans loved this show. Huh so lena trying to convince them to do good is bad you should be angry to them because they're not trying to do anything! The alba is already prejudiced NOT JUST the 86 but to the rest of the humans before even the war started because you do know that these 86ers are from different parts of the world right?, if the redo mc didn't get mistreated then what stupid?

@Whyyouask the country is literally waiting for it's destruction like what do you not understand but since you only watched up to 7 eps you didn't know her country was destroyed and how the fxxk would she even have a comfortable life when her country was built by millions human sacrificies. That's not make her a character bad lmao but not anymore since those false hope you said are coming true,her country is literally doing the exact thing but worse to its citizen. Yeah the same with these generic trash fantasy mc maybe you need to ask yourself about being immature, nonsense you only watched 7 episodes but i READ the manga and it was fxxking trash so you don't understand even war veterans loved this show. Huh so lena trying to convince them to do good is bad you should be angry to them because they're not trying to do anything! The alba is already prejudiced NOT JUST the 86 but to the rest of the humans before even the war started because you do know that these 86ers are from different parts of the world right?, if the redo mc didn't get mistreated then what stupid?

@addie1998 so read redo manga and not watch the show lol jokeeee

@addie1998 you’re susceptible to sentiments im not going to be mad at the country it’s realistic what isn’t realistic is hee trying to hackneyed everyone to her side like people don’t have differences in opinions

@addie1998 hell nah I see exactly you just did bro is summing up the entire beginning of the anime to try and pertain to his own narrative. It still doesn’t account for her being an horrible mc. It’s ok to want to do good and help others out no one is faulting her feeling such emotions. Where the issue lies is on how she goes about executing her help. She shows her tenacity in doing things that are meaningless, which in turn makes her highly dislikable. When doth first stated that she was naive it wasn’t directed towards her feelings and in wanting to save the 86. It was more so on how she provides them with false hope and illogical solutions ultimately becoming a pest and a hindrance to those around her who have been protecting her for her entire cushioned life that allows her to even propagate such discrepancies. As I’m sure you can imagine, if it was anyone other than her endlessly asking to save the 86. They would have been condemned and or thrown out to be with the 86. Stop tap dancing around her ungrateful personality. Oh how I wish someone with authority snatch the headphones of the bitch hand before the story even has a chance to progress it would just feel so invigorating to see her cry and then like redo rape her 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭yeooooo

@addie1998 so read redo manga and not watch the show lol jokeeee