[Spoiler] Question About Something In The Second Episode [spoiler] Please Answer

Tobitwo said:
Yukino and Yui don't like that 8man sacrifices himself just so he could help others instead of finding alternatives.

Zac22 said:
For you to easy understand it,yui and yukino mad because hachiman sacrifices himself to save others(or they just don't like the fact he confess to other girl). Hayama said sorry because the way hachiman solved thing always made him a bad guy,and he felt bad for relying on him,despite know it will turned out like that. About the fear this confession will spreading around the school,it will likely happen. I don't know what you mean by the don't really know what happen,but to me,the situation is: they look their friend about to confess,then other classmates take the oppurtunity to confess his love,to win against their friend love. To them,hachiman is a bad guy that pretend to help tobe just to confess his love before tobe. Get it?

Zac22 said:
For you to easy understand it,yui and yukino mad because hachiman sacrifices himself to save others(or they just don't like the fact he confess to other girl). Hayama said sorry because the way hachiman solved thing always made him a bad guy,and he felt bad for relying on him,despite know it will turned out like that. About the fear this confession will spreading around the school,it will likely happen. I don't know what you mean by the don't really know what happen,but to me,the situation is: they look their friend about to confess,then other classmates take the oppurtunity to confess his love,to win against their friend love. To them,hachiman is a bad guy that pretend to help tobe just to confess his love before tobe. Get it?

Rayane-47 said:
I don't understand the sacrifice here. What did he sacrifice?

filimaua13 said:

Yui's words "would it kill you to think about how others feel?" She's talking about herself. She's had a crush on him from the beginning, and seeing him fake a confession to get the job done hurt her.

filimaua13 said:
Yukino and Yui didn't like seeing someone they cared about throwing themself into a position of shame for the sake of others. Most especially people who don't deserve his help.

filimaua13 said:

Yukino hated that he saved a superficial relationship despite their shared views of despising superficial relationships. Not only that, but his actions doesn't actually solve the problem at all. It just throws it under the rug and focuses everything on himself.

Rayane-47 said:
what position of shame?

Tobitwo said:
Himeself by taking the rejection in place of Tobe.

Rayane-47 said:
can you please Elaborate on this part? Cause this is the one I'm most interested in
Ps: sorry for the many questions. Hope u answer them all

Rayane-47 said:
I don't understand the sacrifice here. What did he sacrifice?

filimaua13 said:


At the end of season 1 Yukino and Hachiman had a moment and came to an understanding that they both despise superficial relationships to maintain status quos. Hayama's clique in their eyes is the spitting image of a superficial relationship based on shallow understanding and facades. So to see Hachiman willingly go out of his way to save their clique shocked her and she became upset at his hypocrasy.

Solving a problem with a cover up lie is wrong in Yukino's eyes. Taking it head on and solving it properly is what Yukino stands for. The service club were asked to help them with this situation and instead Hachiman brushed the problem under the rug by just confessing in Tobe's place. Tobe himself said he didn't mind a rejection, he just wanted to convey his feelings to her. But Hachiman's actions prevented any of that from happening. Yukino didn't care much for Hayama's clique but to stoop so low and create a lie to maintain the status quo instead of going through with it was wrong. Clearing up misunderstandings could have potentially even led to a more honest genuine relationship between them. But naah it was all for nothing.

tanaymithari21 said:
for instance try jumping into someone's confession and insted of that person you confessions the girl,dosent matter waht answer she give yes or no only thing happens is you lose respect of the person who was going to confessions and any person who know about this will only think about you as a bad guy and if you are rejected the add one more person to list
That's what it's is sacrificing your you respect dignity

Hot_Green_Tea said:
Hayato was sorry because he couldn't resolve the problem himself and had to rely on 8man(even though he knew full well what length 8man is willing to do or will do to fulfill the request. IE : Sacrificing himself).

Yukino and Yui was mad because 8man sacrificed himself(he thinks that his dignity is worthless but to them he is very precious. That's why they were really angry at what he did) to save others (Tobe's request, Hina's request, Hayato's request) and not caring/not thinking about himself (again) by confessing to Hina and getting rejected so that Tobe doesn't have to(saving Tobe's face in the process) and understands why Hina will most likely rejected Tobe as well, he also saved their friendship (Hayato's group). He fulfilled all the request in the end (Hina's request to reject Tobe and save the Group, Tobe's request of knowing whether he had a chance with Hina or not, Hayato's request of saving the group and saving both Hina and Tobe).

Rayane-47 said:
But even after hikki did that stunt. Hayama's clique was not affected at all. It went back to normal the next day

Rayane-47 said:
He stood up for something they both despise which brings up another question. WHY DID STAND UP FOR THAT?

filimaua13 said:
And that's what Yukino has a problem with. He maintained the status quo by creating a lie. What he did is basically enabling the clique to avoid problems and maintain their shallow relationship. This was a problem that easily could have been solved by honest communication. Sure there would be awkwardness, but if you believe in the strength of the relationship, it would eventually pass and you'd still be close friends. The fact that they didn't shows how truly superficial and fragile their bond is. That something so small and easy to handle even had potential to destroy their friendship.

filimaua13 said:


Despite everything he says and believes in regards to being a cynical pessimistic boy, he just simply cares about people. He sees how similar the situations they are in is what he went through. A friendship complicated by a random confession that ends up destroying their friendship? I mean in Hachiman's case it was more him being desperate for connection, but he understands the pain they fear they could go through. So he helps them to avoid the problem altogether, just like he usually does with his own pain. Which isn't a healthy way of dealing with people.

He avoids gaining close relationships out of fear of getting hurt again. The mindgames of wondering whether you're friends with somebody or that they romantically like you.. he's been thru that and doesn't want anything to do with it. He wants to keep his peace of mind and does so by isolating himself. This is pretty much another reason he does his methods in such a way. To make himself look like a fool or an asshole to prevent himself looking too much like a good guy and getting attention of potential friends or romantic interests which would place him right back into those mind games again that could get him hurt again.

Rayane-47 said:
WOW. THAT HURT. That is actually really sad. I was tearing up half way through the quote.that actually hurt and hit really deep. The character is more sadder than I thought. WOW. I'm speechless
But I get it now. Why he did what he did. WOW.just WOW
Ps:I got a feeling I'll be doing a lot more forums for this show. So I'll be expecting you to help me out. Cause you are a big help.please

filimaua13 said:
Yeeah. His "I hate nice girls" monologue from S1 was the first instance of seeing how much deeper his issues are than they seemed.

Rayane-47 said:
I'm starting to REALLY LOVE his character and I think by the time I'm done with the show. He's gonna be my favorite written character in anime

filimaua13 said:
Cool! Glad you're liking his character more now.

He's a really good character. An even more excellent protagonist cos he actually has a personality, has flaws and a journey he needs to go on that we're actually keen to follow. There's nothing worse than having a story where you have no interest in experiencing the story through the protagonist's perspective nor are interested in seeing a positive/negative development in their character.

You don't have to like Hachiman or even relate to him, but definitely has relatable aspects to him. And watching his journey and wonder whether he can change is so good. The change and development of Yukino and Yui are also good. Its not just him that needs to change and grow up, but the others do too.

Rayane-47 said:
Man. Thanks for those words.
I just REALLY LOVE this show
I went in it expecting a normal high school slice of life romantic anime but what I found was something WAY BETTER than what I was expecting

Rayane-47 said:
Oh. Okay. That makes sense. But that only happens if the confession spreads around the school which I don't think it did(according to episode three) and Tobe didn't look like he took it in a bad way. He actually looked pretty thankful to hikki but... I understand what you were going for and thanks for that. It cleared it up for me