All this uncensored gay kissing and no yaoi /shounen ai tag? This is gayer than Yuri on ice. |
Old_School_AkiraJun 26, 2021 6:12 PM
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| Shounen ai is a genre, not a "this is gay" signifier. Same reason Yuri On Ice isn't labelled as BL. Also yaoi is exclusively used for porn. |
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Alioune said: Please put this under spoiler next time. Salty-GB said: Shounen ai is a genre, not a "this is gay" signifier. Same reason Yuri On Ice isn't labelled as BL. Also yaoi is exclusively used for porn. Do you think boys kissing doesn't deserve this tag? No...? Gay characters existing in a show doesn't make the show BL. That's like saying every anime with a male protag is an action or every anime with a love interest is a romance. |
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Salty-GB said: Shounen ai is a genre, not a "this is gay" signifier. Same reason Yuri On Ice isn't labelled as BL. Also yaoi is exclusively used for porn. Some of this is porn and gay. |
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Old_School_Akira said: Salty-GB said: Shounen ai is a genre, not a "this is gay" signifier. Same reason Yuri On Ice isn't labelled as BL. Also yaoi is exclusively used for porn. Some of this is porn and gay. Its PG-13 my dude... there is no porn here. Again, having gay characters doesn't change the genre. Sailor Moon isn't BL or GL and neither is Cardcaptor Sakura despite both having gay main cast members and bi leads. |
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Alioune said: Salty-GB said: No...? Gay characters existing in a show doesn't make the show BL. That's like saying every anime with a male protag is an action or every anime with a love interest is a romance. Bro do you even know what Shounen ai means? It means boys love. If kissing it's not love, what is it? Sex? There's yaoi tag for that. This deserve the shounen ai tag for sure. Is the romance between these boys the main focus of the show? Does it fall into any tropes related to the BL genre? Gay characters just existing doesn't mean it's a completely different genre. |
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| It's not shounen ai nor yaoi: neither gay romance nor gay porn is the main focus of the show, and having gay characters doesnt mean it automathically focuses on romance. It's 'magical boy' genre + 'psychological'. |
| There are a lot of anime that have lgbt characters,couples and even protagonists but arent shounen ai/ shoujo ai.. Sailor Moon, Yuri on Ice, ROD the tv, Nobari no ou, Devilman... Heck, even Evangelion. |
| Yaoi and shounen-ai are both outdated terms not used in Japan. The correct term is Boys Love, or just BL. But let's ignore this since MAL sticks to Yaoi/Shounen-ai tags. For something to be considered BL it's very simple: it's gotta be marketed as such. Fairy Ranmaru, just like Yuri!!! on Ice, was not. So it's not BL. It's as simple as that. "Oh but it's gay!!!!!" And? That's simply not how this works in Japan. |
| Maybe because it would be a spoiler? Don't know. |
Ramenboi13 said: Yaoi is used exclusively for p0rn, shonen Ai / bl is a suitable tag, I think it should be tagged even if it's not the main focus, for example : there's action animes with romance tag even If it's not the main focus of the show. Shounen ai/ bl have porn too |
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| Monochrome factor is tagged as shounen ai but its barely bl and its not even close to being major plot in the show, the manga isnt even tagged as bl, so I think this should be tagged as bl too. |
Salty-GB said: Alioune said: Please put this under spoiler next time. Do you think boys kissing doesn't deserve this tag? No...? Gay characters existing in a show doesn't make the show BL. That's like saying every anime with a male protag is an action or every anime with a love interest is a romance. Sarazanmai has a gay relationship going on the whole time and it's not labeled as shounen-ai. So we shouldn't trust MAL to tell us what's gay romance and what isn't. |
Old_School_Akira said: Ramenboi13 said: Yaoi is used exclusively for p0rn, shonen Ai / bl is a suitable tag, I think it should be tagged even if it's not the main focus, for example : there's action animes with romance tag even If it's not the main focus of the show. Shounen ai/ bl have porn too Dakaichi has the shounen ai label and they're fucking the entire time lmao |
Rojaseb said: Salty-GB said: No...? Gay characters existing in a show doesn't make the show BL. That's like saying every anime with a male protag is an action or every anime with a love interest is a romance. Sarazanmai has a gay relationship going on the whole time and it's not labeled as shounen-ai. So we shouldn't trust MAL to tell us what's gay romance and what isn't. Because it isn't BL. Like I said, BL is a specific genre. I haven't seen Sarazanmai yet so I can't comment, but if it's anything like the other works by that team, the gay isn't the main focus. I agree that it would be nice to have a system for tagging themes, but having a gay character doesn't change the genre. |
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Salty-GB said: Rojaseb said: Sarazanmai has a gay relationship going on the whole time and it's not labeled as shounen-ai. So we shouldn't trust MAL to tell us what's gay romance and what isn't. Because it isn't BL. Like I said, BL is a specific genre. I haven't seen Sarazanmai yet so I can't comment, but if it's anything like the other works by that team, the gay isn't the main focus. I agree that it would be nice to have a system for tagging themes, but having a gay character doesn't change the genre. it actually does because all the stories in anime with canon gay protagonists deal with love mal slapped a comedy tagged on Fullmetal Alchemist and you think it's a comedy for that? No, it's just a tag of something that's there, it doesn't have to be the main theme |
Rojaseb said: Salty-GB said: Because it isn't BL. Like I said, BL is a specific genre. I haven't seen Sarazanmai yet so I can't comment, but if it's anything like the other works by that team, the gay isn't the main focus. I agree that it would be nice to have a system for tagging themes, but having a gay character doesn't change the genre. it actually does because all the stories in anime with canon gay protagonists deal with love mal slapped a comedy tagged on Fullmetal Alchemist and you think it's a comedy for that? No, it's just a tag of something that's there, it doesn't have to be the main theme Fullmetal Alchemist is a full on comedy a decent chunk of the time, what are you talking about?? Especially at the start. BL doesn't mean "gay characters here". That's not how genres work. BLs are specifically about the romance between the two leads as THE central theme. The story is about the two boys falling in love. There can be a plot (usually just an excuse to have the boys interact) but that has to be the core for the property to be considered BL. Like I said, having a "gay characters here" theme tag would be fine, but it's not BL. |
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Salty-GB said: Rojaseb said: it actually does because all the stories in anime with canon gay protagonists deal with love mal slapped a comedy tagged on Fullmetal Alchemist and you think it's a comedy for that? No, it's just a tag of something that's there, it doesn't have to be the main theme Fullmetal Alchemist is a full on comedy a decent chunk of the time, what are you talking about?? Especially at the start. BL doesn't mean "gay characters here". That's not how genres work. BLs are specifically about the romance between the two leads as THE central theme. The story is about the two boys falling in love. There can be a plot (usually just an excuse to have the boys interact) but that has to be the core for the property to be considered BL. Like I said, having a "gay characters here" theme tag would be fine, but it's not BL. OH yeah watching Nina get her brains blown out was a riot And you're clearly not well versed in gay anime so I don't know why you're even arguing that. ALL the anime with gay protagonists have love in them, otherwise you wouldn't even know they're gay, think |
Rojaseb said: Salty-GB said: Fullmetal Alchemist is a full on comedy a decent chunk of the time, what are you talking about?? Especially at the start. BL doesn't mean "gay characters here". That's not how genres work. BLs are specifically about the romance between the two leads as THE central theme. The story is about the two boys falling in love. There can be a plot (usually just an excuse to have the boys interact) but that has to be the core for the property to be considered BL. Like I said, having a "gay characters here" theme tag would be fine, but it's not BL. OH yeah watching Nina get her brains blown out was a riot And you're clearly not well versed in gay anime so I don't know why you're even arguing that. ALL the anime with gay protagonists have love in them, otherwise you wouldn't even know they're gay, think Tenchi was literally bisected in Tenchi Muyo Ryo-Oki 3. Comedy can indeed have other things going on. If you look at my list, it is filled with gay anime. I am also an avid reader of BL and bara. I have Mentaiko Itto artwork framed on my walls. I am, in fact, a homosexual who likes stories with homosexuality (and vampires but that's beside the point). "A part of the story" and "the central theme" are not even close to the same thing. |
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heane said: breaking news: gay people aren't a genre. in this show, amidst all the straight sex and romance, frankly i wouldn't even call those few kisses anything other than really aggressive queerbait, for the sheer reason that the context behind them is nothing more than fairy magic which they cast the same way regardless of gender. you may argue that ranmaru used to have romantic feelings for sirius, but those feelings are as irrelevant in the plot as it gets, and we literally only find out about them in the last episode. for the comparison, the entire central conflict in aquarion evol is built around a dude who tries to take revenge on his ex boyfriend, whom he still loves, yet the show isn't tagged bl. banana fish has tons of gay sex going on, and YET it isn't bl. in devilman, ryo is literally in love with akira which is like half the reason he's doing what he's doing, and it STILL isn't bl. why? try to figure out, op. Thank you! Finally someone sane up in here. |
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heane said: breaking news: gay people aren't a genre It is in anime & manga. It's called bl, yaoi, shounen ai, gl, Yuri, shojo ai |
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| After finishing this show, it's clearly BL. Not tagging it as BL does a disservice to people looking for BL. And yes, this IS BL because gay romance is central to the show. And Banana Fish and Yuri on Ice are commonly considered BL, even if MAL doesn't tag it like that. Devilman isn't because Ryo is the villain and his feelings are not returned, same for Aquarion. Just having a gay ship does not make a show BL, but the MC being in love with a dude and their romance driving the plot does. |
| The action and slice of life tags are a complete fucking lie to describe this obscene piece of fujoshi bait. |
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Salty-GB said: Shounen ai is a genre, not a "this is gay" signifier. Same reason Yuri On Ice isn't labelled as BL. Also yaoi is exclusively used for porn. That is misleading information Yaoi/BL and Yuri are the genre, meanwhile shoujo ai and shounen ai are subgenres The west just invented those subgenres, Japan doesn't even know those subgenres exists Hence no, it isn't exclusive for porn |
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Noisrev said: Salty-GB said: Shounen ai is a genre, not a "this is gay" signifier. Same reason Yuri On Ice isn't labelled as BL. Also yaoi is exclusively used for porn. That is misleading information Yaoi/BL and Yuri are the genre, meanwhile shoujo ai and shounen ai are subgenres The west just invented those subgenres, Japan doesn't even know those subgenres exists Hence no, it isn't exclusive for porn Mmmm sort of. I'm not sure why I didn't clarify in my original post (very unlike me) but I was referring to English usage of the words. Much like pretty much every Japanese word used for categorising media, the Japanese usage and English usage are completely different. In Japan yaoi and BL are interchangeable, though BL/Shounen Ai is used a lot more. Much like the misuse of the words bara, hentai and ecchi, it's easier just to go with what English fans know when talking to them. |
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Ryuseishun said: The action and slice of life tags are a complete fucking lie to describe this obscene piece of fujoshi bait. Its quite easy to spot ppl who never came in contact with fanservice not aimed at stright dudes🙂 You will survive. And no, its not fujobait, I feel like you dont even know what that means, the shows quite openly gay. I bet you even downvoted the show out of pure shock after seeing the blue dudes transformation lol🤭 |
teaknightNov 26, 2021 10:29 AM
| Now MAL replaced the yaoi/ Shonen ai tag with BL only. Either way it's still BL |
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teaknight said: Ryuseishun said: The action and slice of life tags are a complete fucking lie to describe this obscene piece of fujoshi bait. Its quite easy to spot ppl who never came in contact with fanservice not aimed at stright dudes🙂 You will survive. And no, its not fujobait, I feel like you dont even know what that means, the shows quite openly gay. I bet you even downvoted the show out of pure shock after seeing the blue dudes transformation lol🤭 Majorly agree. If an anime's target audience does not include you, then don't comment. (That means you, cis dudes. Go back to your waifus and leave us alone :/ This anime ain't for you.) |
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| Late to this, but i do kind of wish it went full BL, it had nice teases, and I guess some of the dudes did like each other (Jyuka clearly having a crush on Ranmaru), maybe Homura, but it could be argued he like Sirius did have a crush on some girl. sad. |
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@Salty-GB lol that's the dumbest thing I've read today. Someone actually saying having several sets of male characters making out doesn't deserve the boys love tag. Well then wtf would??? Another person so dead set in their "You don't like dude on dude content, so you are homophobic and wrong, now I'll ignore common sense and reality and say something ridiculous like men kissing each other isn't the definition of gay and why a boys love tag even exists, all in an attempt to prove this random individual is wrong.
| @Foreall908 My entire argument is that gay content =/= BL, dipshit. Learn to read before leaving a brain-dead comment. A story with gay characters isn't a gay story, much like a story with romance isn't necessarily part of the romance genre or a story with comedic elements being a comedy. A BL story is a story that focuses on one or more gay romances as the main plot element. It can be a combination of other genres as well, but 2 dudes kissing does not make something BL. Every fuckin SJ anime has a goddamn gay kiss at some point yet I don't see you arguing for them to be labelled as BL. Personally I don't really give a shit if you like gay people or not, but you are just straight up wrong. Grow up, learn to read and stop necroing posts from over 2 years ago. Weirdo. |
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