Ending sucks

eyesorrr said:
We get it you hate gay people

weirdy8 said:


They literally erase the gayness of one character off-screen.

JesterSaysYeet said:


No? They didn't erase anything. She was able to go further into her self exploration and was able to discover her sexuality.

weirdy8 said:


They literally erase the gayness of one character off-screen.

iva- said:
understandable, the ending was extremely sudden and turned over everything the story wanted to portray in just one chapter. anyways, i'm glad touma got his happy ending since i was rooting for him throughout so not particularly upset about it. if anything, it just isn't a ✨ masterpiece ✨ anymore but still a good 9/10 for me.

RobertBobert said:


If the character was originally declared gay, then any bisexuality will be perceived as homophobic erasure. Otherwise, bisexuality will simply be shown as a switch that "turns" the initially straight character into gay. This is how bisexuality works in the media lol.



It's funny that at the same time you are not at all embarrassed that MC suddenly became bisexual and somehow managed to marry a man, despite the fact that there is no same-sex marriage in Japan.

JesterSaysYeet said:


People and characters are allowed to realize their first interpretation of their emotions was wrong. You won't always get it right the first time. There's also the fact that he didn't "suddenly" become bisexual, and he could've easily gotten married outside of Japan. This may not be seen as legally binding in Japan, I have no proof otherwise, but is still emotionally binding. You don't always realize your sexuality as a child/teen. There are many gay people who got married and had children before realizing they weren't really in love with their partner.

RobertBobert said:


If you literally have to look for a rationale for a plot twist that was not based on the work itself, then that says a lot about it. Not to mention the fact that bare denial without any arguments cannot be considered a satisfactory answer. Yes, he suddenly became bisexual. The whole manga was literally about developing his straight relationship and the idea of making gay friends if you're straight. But in one chapter, all this was thrown away, now he is a happy man in an unrecognized same-sex marriage in Japan. And let's not even remember how a girl whose subplot was completely built on the impossibility of loving men suddenly turned into a bisexual woman who married a man.

Also "people can change" is too universal argument that can justify anything. For example, if Death Note received a time skip where Light became the owner of the bakery without any foreshodowing. How, why? Well, people can change (c).

RobertBobert said:
@talia10 First, you are very optimistic if you think that I will read all of this. Secondly, you are repeating the mistake of other people here again, literally thinking out and trying to find explanations for the things shown behind the scenes, while not realizing that by making so much effort you are only proving that these things had no explanation or even intuitive development.

It is enough to read your opinion on MC's bisexuality, when the main message dedicated to the character literally reaches only in the last chapter, ignoring its development throughout the manga. It's as if Naruto came out as a trans woman in the last chapter and you absolutely non-ironically believed that the main message of the manga is the trans representation. Even the original plot isn't as lazy as your attempt to explain it like this. Statements that a bisexual person's straight relationship is superficial only because he is a queer are simply offensive.

Judging by your manga list, you are another shonen manga fujoshi lover, so to stop all further pointless floodi I'll just tell you - be honest with me. You don't have to write whole walls of lame text just to hide that you enjoy the gay canon ending. I find it pathetic, but at least it's honestly.

talia10 said:


Ok dude, I wrote this all out to help you since you didn't think the ending made sense. Your response is uncalled for and unnecessarily aggressive. Here's 3 paragraphs, each one correlating to one you wrote, in order.

The only reason why you didn't expect that ending or felt that it was out of place is because you went into this manga centering the straight relationships of the characters; with a heteronormative lens. That's just how you digested the media. None of what I said was behind the scenes at all. I went into the manga knowing that either Taichi liked Touma or Touma liked Taichi, but not which one (and same thing with Futaba and Masumi). With that in mind, everything was glaringly obvious, but I could still understand how someone coming into it expecting it to be straight would be confused, so I explained what I saw to you.

Yeah, its pretty clear that you didn't bother reading my reply, I'm glad you admitted it. Nowhere in my message did I say that Ao No Flag is built to mainly be queer representation, at all. Ao No Flag has outstanding social commentary and talks about topics that I haven't seen any other manga do. Those topics affect queer people in a very specific way and are well known within the community, but the author managed to show how they can impact cishet people as well (Futaba's comphet, Mami with gender roles). If you had actually read what I took the time to write out for you instead of just skimming/skipping through it, you'd know I also didn't say that Taichi and Futaba's relationship was superficial. I also didn't even so much as mention that the middle-school-esque aspect to their relationship had Anything to do with Taichi's sexuality! It lasted for over 2 years, that is not superficial, it's just that they were kids and were never depicted doing anything past holding hands. Don't use strawmanning in your arguments, it doesn't work; it's just annoying. Also don't bother responding if you don't even know what you're responding to.

First off, "Judging by your manga list"? I keep track of my media elswhere, I just prefer to search and use forums here, so that isn't my full list. Secondly, there isn't a single BL, Yaoi, or even Shounen Ai on the mini list I have on here, so I don't understand your conclusion whatsoever. The one queer manga you know I've read is this one, but then again you've read it too so maybe you should think about the fujoshi remark a bit more. Tough talk for someone nearing their middle-ages whose pfp is two sexualized 17-year-old twin sisters in bikinis. I do like shounen manga though, and also seinen. Romance is nice to read as well, but usually I'm drawn to media with more action or fantastical elements. I don't read BL or Yaoi but if you need any Shounen Ai recommendations, given and Here U Are are pretty good. I'm also not attracted to men, and I wouldn't really call myself a girl either. Lastly, I did enjoy the gay canon ending, not hiding it! Frustrated that Masumi didn't get her happy ending and that Taichi and Touma ending up together was told in a very vague way, but nonetheless yeah it was cool, especially since authors writing lgbtq media (excluding lgbtq fetishization media) for predominantly non-lgbtq audiences are typically not even permitted to let the characters end up together happily at all.

I wont be responding in this forum after this since I initially only popped in before to type out my thoughts but just decided to respond to this as well after what you wrote. Hope that you can learn to return respect with respect online in the future.

RobertBobert said:
@talia10 First, you are very optimistic if you think that I will read all of this. Secondly, you are repeating the mistake of other people here again, literally thinking out and trying to find explanations for the things shown behind the scenes, while not realizing that by making so much effort you are only proving that these things had no explanation or even intuitive development.

It is enough to read your opinion on MC's bisexuality, when the main message dedicated to the character literally reaches only in the last chapter, ignoring its development throughout the manga. It's as if Naruto came out as a trans woman in the last chapter and you absolutely non-ironically believed that the main message of the manga is the trans representation. Even the original plot isn't as lazy as your attempt to explain it like this. Statements that a bisexual person's straight relationship is superficial only because he is a queer are simply offensive.

Judging by your manga list, you are another shonen manga fujoshi lover, so to stop all further pointless floodi I'll just tell you - be honest with me. You don't have to write whole walls of lame text just to hide that you enjoy the gay canon ending. I find it pathetic, but at least it's honestly.

talia10 said:


Ok dude, I wrote this all out to help you since you didn't think the ending made sense. Your response is uncalled for and unnecessarily aggressive. Here's 3 paragraphs, each one correlating to one you wrote, in order.

The only reason why you didn't expect that ending or felt that it was out of place is because you went into this manga centering the straight relationships of the characters; with a heteronormative lens. That's just how you digested the media. None of what I said was behind the scenes at all. I went into the manga knowing that either Taichi liked Touma or Touma liked Taichi, but not which one (and same thing with Futaba and Masumi). With that in mind, everything was glaringly obvious, but I could still understand how someone coming into it expecting it to be straight would be confused, so I explained what I saw to you.

Yeah, its pretty clear that you didn't bother reading my reply, I'm glad you admitted it. Nowhere in my message did I say that Ao No Flag is built to mainly be queer representation, at all. Ao No Flag has outstanding social commentary and talks about topics that I haven't seen any other manga do. Those topics affect queer people in a very specific way and are well known within the community, but the author managed to show how they can impact cishet people as well (Futaba's comphet, Mami with gender roles). If you had actually read what I took the time to write out for you instead of just skimming/skipping through it, you'd know I also didn't say that Taichi and Futaba's relationship was superficial. I also didn't even so much as mention that the middle-school-esque aspect to their relationship had Anything to do with Taichi's sexuality! It lasted for over 2 years, that is not superficial, it's just that they were kids and were never depicted doing anything past holding hands. Don't use strawmanning in your arguments, it doesn't work; it's just annoying. Also don't bother responding if you don't even know what you're responding to.

First off, "Judging by your manga list"? I keep track of my media elswhere, I just prefer to search and use forums here, so that isn't my full list. Secondly, there isn't a single BL, Yaoi, or even Shounen Ai on the mini list I have on here, so I don't understand your conclusion whatsoever. The one queer manga you know I've read is this one, but then again you've read it too so maybe you should think about the fujoshi remark a bit more. Tough talk for someone nearing their middle-ages whose pfp is two sexualized 17-year-old twin sisters in bikinis. I do like shounen manga though, and also seinen. Romance is nice to read as well, but usually I'm drawn to media with more action or fantastical elements. I don't read BL or Yaoi but if you need any Shounen Ai recommendations, given and Here U Are are pretty good. I'm also not attracted to men, and I wouldn't really call myself a girl either. Lastly, I did enjoy the gay canon ending, not hiding it! Frustrated that Masumi didn't get her happy ending and that Taichi and Touma ending up together was told in a very vague way, but nonetheless yeah it was cool, especially since authors writing lgbtq media (excluding lgbtq fetishization media) for predominantly non-lgbtq audiences are typically not even permitted to let the characters end up together happily at all.

I wont be responding in this forum after this since I initially only popped in before to type out my thoughts but just decided to respond to this as well after what you wrote. Hope that you can learn to return respect with respect online in the future.

Carmine23 said:
Sorry, i really think your comments are senseless. I really liked that ending and this manga, probably one of my favorite, and I see a lot of stupid hate and misunderstandings. The only fact i can understant is "The ending is rushed".. ehm, yes? That's the point, what the author wanted... The themes, the character and their development, the beautiful conflicts between characters that you would not give a minimum of depth... he had already said everything he needed to say.

SUSBrigade said:
I hate the ending. A fricking waste of time i regret reading this shit fucib horrilble. It could have been better if the ending wasn't like that, fuckin ending i was just like watching a cheap romance-drama