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Oct 2, 2019 3:38 AM
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So while unpolished and lacking decent staff on it, Fairy Gone is trying to make its antagonists appear complex. This is how I see the series evolve:
Veronika is a tragic antagonist who is going to survive this crap and get together with Marliya to live happily ever after.
Wolfram is also a tragic antagonist who has already lost his family, so closer to the end, when he reveals his true colours and helps the protagonist, he meets his demise.
Beevy is a mad dog who is going to be put down halfway through this season so not much to say here.
Magic ministry guys might be complicit to a certain extent, but not like real villains. They are probably thinking of something insane to do with fairies, like merging them with humans 'n stuff. For-the-sake-of-science guys.
And the real villain is - Ray Dawn, who is preparing to build his own world order which might not account for fairies at all. Either way, he is going to be the final boss.
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That said the world built itself to be bigger than the creators seem to be able to contain properly (ruins of a previous civilization connected to fairies, criminal organization Arcame that seems to have fingers in each big incident but seems to be limited to Wolfram only), so depending on whether this is a failed attempt to conclude the series, rather than conclude it properly, everything might get mixed and messed up.
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Oct 5, 2019 1:21 PM
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The first cour was such an incomprehensible clusterf*uck, that main big bad might have already appeared, but nobody noticed.
They had four months to fix the screenplay.

Oct 5, 2019 2:47 PM
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Piromysl said:
The first cour was such an incomprehensible clusterf*uck, that main big bad might have already appeared, but nobody noticed.
They had four months to fix the screenplay.

Chances are they did not do a thing except polish some rough animation corners. Is staff the same? A director that greenlit the mess that was called "first season" would not get directing talent over 3 months it was running. I am not hopeful this is going even into a "solid good" category, personally I see them use a mix of interesting tropes that worked centuries ago and still work well in art, but they handling said tropes so savagely I don't know. My faith or my critical stance, which one will prevail by the end of 2nd season...
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Oct 6, 2019 12:35 PM
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I don't think there is a real villain. With in Ray down that hat gotten background in the recent episode I guess they might do that for other people (Bevee Liscar) as well. Just people on different sides fighting each other.
Oct 6, 2019 1:23 PM
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Luthandorius said:
I don't think there is a real villain. With in Ray down that hat gotten background in the recent episode I guess they might do that for other people (Bevee Liscar) as well. Just people on different sides fighting each other.
Having a tragic background does not anyhow exclude people from becoming villains in the present or the future. That is the whole point - if they can not let go of their hatred, insanity or delusions of grandeur, they ultimately become villains.
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Oct 6, 2019 2:57 PM
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After viewing the first episode, it seems I nailed Ray Dawn's motivation to the fraction of it. A generic well-intentioned extremist who is ready to plunge the world into chaos to prevent its possible destruction at the hands of misused fairies... Everyone is Thanos. And Thanos is everyone... As I thought I still love this rigid, unsophisticated series. Now to see where Wolfran and ministry are going with their ideas and beliefs.
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Oct 6, 2019 3:05 PM
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maybe the true villain is the friends we made along the way


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Oct 7, 2019 6:00 AM
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Ray Dawn - for the obvious things
old lady (ep1) - for getting Marlya called cursed
Suna villagers - for calling Marlya cursed
AHAHAHAHHA


Oct 12, 2019 10:24 AM
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Daniel_Naumov said:
So while unpolished and lacking decent staff on it, Fairy Gone is trying to make its antagonists appear complex. This is how I see the series evolve:
Veronika is a tragic antagonist who is going to survive this crap and get together with Marliya to live happily ever after.
Wolfram is also a tragic antagonist who has already lost his family, so closer to the end, when he reveals his true colours and helps the protagonist, he meets his demise.
Beevy is a mad dog who is going to be put down halfway through this season so not much to say here.
Magic ministry guys might be complicit to a certain extent, but not like real villains. They are probably thinking of something insane to do with fairies, like merging them with humans 'n stuff. For-the-sake-of-science guys.
And the real villain is - Ray Dawn, who is preparing to build his own world order which might not account for fairies at all. Either way, he is going to be the final boss.
------
That said the world built itself to be bigger than the creators seem to be able to contain properly (ruins of a previous civilization connected to fairies, criminal organization Arcame that seems to have fingers in each big incident but seems to be limited to Wolfram only), so depending on whether this is a failed attempt to conclude the series, rather than conclude it properly, everything might get mixed and messed up.
The fairies are the evil ones. Ray says that they have no will but is untrue. They will for blood. Every time they posses an animal or human they cause bloodshed. Veronika is a lost soul due to wanting revenge.

Also he villagers deserved to die to the last for sacrificing humans to the fairies. The adults at least. The children can be spared.
Oct 12, 2019 11:40 AM
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nightcrawlercyp said:
Daniel_Naumov said:
So while unpolished and lacking decent staff on it, Fairy Gone is trying to make its antagonists appear complex. This is how I see the series evolve:
Veronika is a tragic antagonist who is going to survive this crap and get together with Marliya to live happily ever after.
Wolfram is also a tragic antagonist who has already lost his family, so closer to the end, when he reveals his true colours and helps the protagonist, he meets his demise.
Beevy is a mad dog who is going to be put down halfway through this season so not much to say here.
Magic ministry guys might be complicit to a certain extent, but not like real villains. They are probably thinking of something insane to do with fairies, like merging them with humans 'n stuff. For-the-sake-of-science guys.
And the real villain is - Ray Dawn, who is preparing to build his own world order which might not account for fairies at all. Either way, he is going to be the final boss.
------
That said the world built itself to be bigger than the creators seem to be able to contain properly (ruins of a previous civilization connected to fairies, criminal organization Arcame that seems to have fingers in each big incident but seems to be limited to Wolfram only), so depending on whether this is a failed attempt to conclude the series, rather than conclude it properly, everything might get mixed and messed up.
The fairies are the evil ones. Ray says that they have no will but is untrue. They will for blood. Every time they posses an animal or human they cause bloodshed. Veronika is a lost soul due to wanting revenge.

Also he villagers deserved to die to the last for sacrificing humans to the fairies. The adults at least. The children can be spared.

Are you sure you understood what fairies were? As implied by everyone, fairies are like universal raw power of nature, which takes different forms in different stories - here it is fairies that merge with animals. They do not make anything better or worse, they are just primordial natural forces, uncontrollable and unpredictable. Ray Dawn agrees they themselves do not mean harm, but when they get in contact with other beings, respectively humans, they become unstable - just like humans are when drunk on power. Ray Dawn is a generic tragic hero that means well, but methods are questionable: suppression of potential. Gurren Lagann,... and a lot of other less meaningful series. Your understanding of them is too simple and far from what they are depicted as in the series itself.

As for the villagers - it is just a little twist on the pagan and other worshiping of "nature" as deity(s). Animals and, in less developed cultures, humans were sacrificed to ensure there is a beautiful harvest and the weather is merciful to the community. Not like they were "evil". They were savage. Just like the villagers who really believe in all that crap.
Daniel_NaumovOct 12, 2019 12:19 PM
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Daniel_Naumov said:
nightcrawlercyp said:
The fairies are the evil ones. Ray says that they have no will but is untrue. They will for blood. Every time they posses an animal or human they cause bloodshed. Veronika is a lost soul due to wanting revenge.

Also he villagers deserved to die to the last for sacrificing humans to the fairies. The adults at least. The children can be spared.

Are you sure you understood what fairies were? As implied by everyone, fairies are like universal raw power of nature, which takes different forms in different stories - here it is fairies that merge with animals. They do not make anything better or worse, they are just primordial natural forces, uncontrollable and unpredictable. Ray Dawn agrees they themselves do not mean harm, but when they get in contact with other beings, respectively humans, they become unstable - just like humans are when drunk on power. Ray Dawn is a generic tragic hero that means well, but methods are questionable: suppression of potential. Gurren Lagann,... and a lot of other less meaningful series. Your understanding of them is too simple and far from what they are depicted as in the series itself.

As for the villagers - it is just a little twist on the pagan and other worshiping of "nature" as deity(s). Animals and, in less developed cultures, humans were sacrificed to ensure there is a beautiful harvest and the weather is merciful to the community. Not like they were "evil". They were savage. Just like the villagers who really believe in all that crap.

That is the belief of Suna villagers yes, but I disagree. Every animal that gets possessed by a fairy becomes violent and demands blood sacrifices which the Suna villagers provided. About fairies taking different form, not really. Fairies are generally split into two groups: chaotically evil and orderly evil. The ones seen as "good" acted just as the mafia. If you respected their rules and paid tribute you generally were ok. But sometimes they would take offense on an imaginary action and fuck with you anyway. Also most fairy stories are about fairies taking revenge on humans for an imaginary offense. Also you have the following actions associated: kidnapping people (male, female, children), killing people, cursing people, and at best paying mischievous tricks. Also you had to leave food and items for them if you did not want to cause their wrath. Yeah they are not evil... they just pay a tithe to hell every year and do a lot of evil deeds.
About the pagans not being evil, sacrificing humans to deities is evil. Especially since most of those sacrifices were children. Not considering that pagan deities are associated with human vices. To celebrate them you have to indulge in self destructive behavior: consuming large amounts of drugs or alcohol, having orgies, sacrificing humans. Also about less developed cultures not really. Until the romans every pagan culture sacrificed lots and lots of humans. Even the romans did the same thing before christianity just not as much or as often.
All the adult villagers had blood on their hands and deserved to die

PS: what the fairies do in the anime we call demonic possession.
Oct 13, 2019 2:30 PM
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nightcrawlercyp said:
Daniel_Naumov said:

Are you sure you understood what fairies were? As implied by everyone, fairies are like universal raw power of nature, which takes different forms in different stories - here it is fairies that merge with animals. They do not make anything better or worse, they are just primordial natural forces, uncontrollable and unpredictable. Ray Dawn agrees they themselves do not mean harm, but when they get in contact with other beings, respectively humans, they become unstable - just like humans are when drunk on power. Ray Dawn is a generic tragic hero that means well, but methods are questionable: suppression of potential. Gurren Lagann,... and a lot of other less meaningful series. Your understanding of them is too simple and far from what they are depicted as in the series itself.

As for the villagers - it is just a little twist on the pagan and other worshiping of "nature" as deity(s). Animals and, in less developed cultures, humans were sacrificed to ensure there is a beautiful harvest and the weather is merciful to the community. Not like they were "evil". They were savage. Just like the villagers who really believe in all that crap.

That is the belief of Suna villagers yes, but I disagree. Every animal that gets possessed by a fairy becomes violent and demands blood sacrifices which the Suna villagers provided. About fairies taking different form, not really. Fairies are generally split into two groups: chaotically evil and orderly evil. The ones seen as "good" acted just as the mafia. If you respected their rules and paid tribute you generally were ok. But sometimes they would take offense on an imaginary action and fuck with you anyway. Also most fairy stories are about fairies taking revenge on humans for an imaginary offense. Also you have the following actions associated: kidnapping people (male, female, children), killing people, cursing people, and at best paying mischievous tricks. Also you had to leave food and items for them if you did not want to cause their wrath. Yeah they are not evil... they just pay a tithe to hell every year and do a lot of evil deeds.
About the pagans not being evil, sacrificing humans to deities is evil. Especially since most of those sacrifices were children. Not considering that pagan deities are associated with human vices. To celebrate them you have to indulge in self destructive behavior: consuming large amounts of drugs or alcohol, having orgies, sacrificing humans. Also about less developed cultures not really. Until the romans every pagan culture sacrificed lots and lots of humans. Even the romans did the same thing before christianity just not as much or as often.
All the adult villagers had blood on their hands and deserved to die

PS: what the fairies do in the anime we call demonic possession.

Does not look like that to me. Instead, it seems fairies are merely boosting the beings they merge in. Everyone except Marlya has some sort of scary, horror-looking fairy. As if they shape themselves AFTER the merge with the heart, as we have seen from the second episode of this season. Fairies look all the same before the take form from inside the heart, the worse off the heart is, the scarier the fairy looks.
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Ok, so what will Wolfran be then? Was he really working for Ray Dawn, or was he an assassin? He was behaving awfully aggressive towards Free for someone who's supposed to be on his side; Free had the benefit of the doubt not knowing that Wolfran worked for Ray.
Oct 13, 2019 9:22 PM
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Piromysl said:
The first cour was such an incomprehensible clusterf*uck, that main big bad might have already appeared, but nobody noticed.
They had four months to fix the screenplay.


4 months is no time at all in terms of anime production. They're not going to rewrite, re-voice, and re-animate the entire thing just because most of the Western community got bored with this show early on.
Oct 14, 2019 4:15 AM
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AquaShldEXE said:
Ok, so what will Wolfran be then? Was he really working for Ray Dawn, or was he an assassin? He was behaving awfully aggressive towards Free for someone who's supposed to be on his side; Free had the benefit of the doubt not knowing that Wolfran worked for Ray.

Without trying to remember every thing Wolfran did, to me it seems he is the "Joker" of this series. He is serving whoever he needs to further his own objective, which might or might not collide what either faction wants. He is in the middle of moral corruption, while not having done anything dirty himself yet, he is helping cause chaos and crosses whoever he does not need anymore. Worst case scenario, he will be scarred after the war (having lost family as well) and wants to somehow make sure it does not happen again, either through removing warmongers or fairies which further the wars. Best case, he has another, not hinted at yet objective.
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looks like i was thinking the Wolfran is more like a widowed double agent with a bad plan or he will rule the whole world b4 Ray Dawn does and i consider both of them as the Gadaffi and Bin Laden of this show
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Oct 14, 2019 8:42 AM

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Daniel_Naumov said:
nightcrawlercyp said:

That is the belief of Suna villagers yes, but I disagree. Every animal that gets possessed by a fairy becomes violent and demands blood sacrifices which the Suna villagers provided. About fairies taking different form, not really. Fairies are generally split into two groups: chaotically evil and orderly evil. The ones seen as "good" acted just as the mafia. If you respected their rules and paid tribute you generally were ok. But sometimes they would take offense on an imaginary action and fuck with you anyway. Also most fairy stories are about fairies taking revenge on humans for an imaginary offense. Also you have the following actions associated: kidnapping people (male, female, children), killing people, cursing people, and at best paying mischievous tricks. Also you had to leave food and items for them if you did not want to cause their wrath. Yeah they are not evil... they just pay a tithe to hell every year and do a lot of evil deeds.
About the pagans not being evil, sacrificing humans to deities is evil. Especially since most of those sacrifices were children. Not considering that pagan deities are associated with human vices. To celebrate them you have to indulge in self destructive behavior: consuming large amounts of drugs or alcohol, having orgies, sacrificing humans. Also about less developed cultures not really. Until the romans every pagan culture sacrificed lots and lots of humans. Even the romans did the same thing before christianity just not as much or as often.
All the adult villagers had blood on their hands and deserved to die

PS: what the fairies do in the anime we call demonic possession.

Does not look like that to me. Instead, it seems fairies are merely boosting the beings they merge in. Everyone except Marlya has some sort of scary, horror-looking fairy. As if they shape themselves AFTER the merge with the heart, as we have seen from the second episode of this season. Fairies look all the same before the take form from inside the heart, the worse off the heart is, the scarier the fairy looks.
Everyone has good and evil inside. why do fairies only shape based on the evil inside people? Even the one inside Marlya.
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Ray Dawn mentioned that there were powers that wanted to misuse the fairies and Suna village. I think he knows that those in Suna don't have to have surgery done in order to get the fairy powers, so instead of allowing then be used in horrible ways he decided to kill them all so no one can use the fairies or his people as weapons.

It's extreme, but it's a lot like what Itachi did in Naruto. Killing his people for the greater good. Unfortunately, that's not a way to solve problems. Genocide is never the answer.
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Ray Dawn mentioned that there were powers that wanted to misuse the fairies and Suna village. I think he knows that those in Suna don't have to have surgery done in order to get the fairy powers, so instead of allowing then be used in horrible ways he decided to kill them all so no one can use the fairies or his people as weapons.

It's extreme, but it's a lot like what Itachi did in Naruto. Killing his people for the greater good. Unfortunately, that's not a way to solve problems. Genocide is never the answer.
that reminds me of genocides happened in real life though man and yeah it will never be the answer and of course Ray Dawn should be in the Gulag right now for what he did and genocide is a war crime
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HiddenSilentMe said:
Ray Dawn mentioned that there were powers that wanted to misuse the fairies and Suna village. I think he knows that those in Suna don't have to have surgery done in order to get the fairy powers, so instead of allowing then be used in horrible ways he decided to kill them all so no one can use the fairies or his people as weapons.

It's extreme, but it's a lot like what Itachi did in Naruto. Killing his people for the greater good. Unfortunately, that's not a way to solve problems. Genocide is never the answer.

So far we actually do not know whether this is actually a saving point for the world, or not. This is a Thanos dilemma. He *suspects* the world might be in grave danger. Does it justify a genocide? In the eye of the beholder.
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With the 3rd episode it is apparent that Wolfran is in cohorts with the Ministry of Fairies (in the flashback, the current minister approached Wolfran when he was sitting by hi family's grave). I am uncertain whether he is doing so out of belief, or revenge... but I am positive he is still about to screw everyone morally grey.
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A slight update into the Albastora descendant - he claims he wants to destroy the tome, for whatever reasons, but I am not buying into it yet. So far we have about 6 conflicting factions, I don't know how the are going to tie it all in any other way but disastrously.
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