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May 29, 2019 2:28 PM
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So after episode 21, our MC Naofumi turns into this noble hero who always manages to win people's hearts, right? I actually have an issue with that actually. If this is the direction the anime wants to take, then I fear Naofumi very soon might turn into Kirito X.0(put whatever number you want in place of X). Because, what made Shield Hero feel a bit different than most other isekai's is the fact that it had an MC who was a douche-bag. But if he becomes this benevolent, honorable hero, then he's just kirito but with OP abilities with slightly heavier recoil. And to be honest, I liked seeing a vindictive, vengeful piece of shit as a MC for a change.
May 29, 2019 2:41 PM
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Should've stuck with just Raphtalia imo, having Filo and Melty join really turned this into another isekai harem
May 29, 2019 3:00 PM
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I mean his skills are mainly still for defense, he'll need more attackers considering how many monsters pops out when a wave happens.
He got his closure in this ep, he's come into terms with it but he still isn't this nice guy that goes around saving people for free despite being a hero, that is unless the anime decides to change stuffs again which I'm sure it will.
Anyways its just 4 more eps, try reading the manga, you'll enjoy it more if you want that vindictive, vengeful piece of shit Naofumi, he's tons of fun there compared to the anime take on him.
May 29, 2019 3:04 PM
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Naofumi has always been a generic, one-dimensional, flat-line with some superficial emo characteristics. He has at no point been a douche; rather, he was going around with a huge chip on his shoulder for no reason.

It seems that in the process of the adaptation, they decided to throw even this threadbare characterization away and instead make him even more generic and forgettable. The clinching moment was his crisis of conscience in the latest episode, which they attempted to disguise as more justice porn.
May 29, 2019 4:56 PM
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Short_Circut said:
Should've stuck with just Raphtalia imo, having Filo and Melty join really turned this into another isekai harem
a stupid harem will never happen, even naofumi is not sexually attracted to them all, all he thinks is he just wants to go home soon
May 29, 2019 4:57 PM
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SSL443 said:
Naofumi has always been a generic, one-dimensional, flat-line with some superficial emo characteristics. He has at no point been a douche; rather, he was going around with a huge chip on his shoulder for no reason.

It seems that in the process of the adaptation, they decided to throw even this threadbare characterization away and instead make him even more generic and forgettable. The clinching moment was his crisis of conscience in the latest episode, which they attempted to disguise as more justice porn.
yeahh because this event is pure rubbish
May 29, 2019 4:59 PM
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LightoLhxd4 said:
Short_Circut said:
Should've stuck with just Raphtalia imo, having Filo and Melty join really turned this into another isekai harem
a stupid harem will never happen, even naofumi is not sexually attracted to them all, all he thinks is he just wants to go home soon


The argument of what is and isn't a harem has been argued to death every few weeks for this show's section of forums. It'd be nice for at least one thread to not have that argument.
May 29, 2019 5:02 PM
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SSL443 said:
Naofumi has always been a generic, one-dimensional, flat-line with some superficial emo characteristics. He has at no point been a douche; rather, he was going around with a huge chip on his shoulder for no reason.

It seems that in the process of the adaptation, they decided to throw even this threadbare characterization away and instead make him even more generic and forgettable. The clinching moment was his crisis of conscience in the latest episode, which they attempted to disguise as more justice porn.
What bothers me the most about that whole scene is that it literally never happens in the light novel, there's not even a trial either. So those two things are either from the manga or anime original scenes.
May 29, 2019 5:09 PM
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Demyx_IX said:
SSL443 said:
Naofumi has always been a generic, one-dimensional, flat-line with some superficial emo characteristics. He has at no point been a douche; rather, he was going around with a huge chip on his shoulder for no reason.

It seems that in the process of the adaptation, they decided to throw even this threadbare characterization away and instead make him even more generic and forgettable. The clinching moment was his crisis of conscience in the latest episode, which they attempted to disguise as more justice porn.
What bothers me the most about that whole scene is that it literally never happens in the light novel, there's not even a trial either. So those two things are either from the manga or anime original scenes.
LOL what you mean is good, on the contrary it is very bad, they are busy making scenes that are not in the source of material, while many material from the original source is cut and removed, this is an insult to the original writer
May 29, 2019 5:23 PM

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Demyx_IX said:
What bothers me the most about that whole scene is that it literally never happens in the light novel, there's not even a trial either. So those two things are either from the manga or anime original scenes.

No question, the adaptation has been whitewashing the story, maybe in attempt to head off criticism from certain Western media or generally be more acceptable to broad audiences.

Not that I'm defending the source material mind you, but the changes they have made are not doing the story any favors.
May 29, 2019 6:08 PM

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Demyx_IX said:
SSL443 said:
Naofumi has always been a generic, one-dimensional, flat-line with some superficial emo characteristics. He has at no point been a douche; rather, he was going around with a huge chip on his shoulder for no reason.

It seems that in the process of the adaptation, they decided to throw even this threadbare characterization away and instead make him even more generic and forgettable. The clinching moment was his crisis of conscience in the latest episode, which they attempted to disguise as more justice porn.
What bothers me the most about that whole scene is that it literally never happens in the light novel, there's not even a trial either. So those two things are either from the manga or anime original scenes.

The trail doesn't happen in the manga either, it's Noafumi who want them dead and the queen is like "Nope not gonna happen" lol

Anime Naofumi is just ... a knight in shining armor who always do the right thing. You can tell that whole setup with execution was made just make Naofumi look good when he stop it.
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May 29, 2019 6:19 PM

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SSL443 said:
Naofumi has always been a generic, one-dimensional, flat-line with some superficial emo characteristics. He has at no point been a douche; rather, he was going around with a huge chip on his shoulder for no reason.

It seems that in the process of the adaptation, they decided to throw even this threadbare characterization away and instead make him even more generic and forgettable. The clinching moment was his crisis of conscience in the latest episode, which they attempted to disguise as more justice porn.
For no reason...for no reason at all? What about the false rape allegation against malty and being publicly ridiculed for that reason. But yeah no reason at all. Those things never happened
Are we really gonna make it..?
May 29, 2019 6:23 PM

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NekoShinomiya said:
For no reason...for no reason at all? What about the false rape allegation against malty and being publicly ridiculed for that reason. But yeah no reason at all. Those things never happened

You're coming into this without any of the previous discussion that has happened. So no, I don't believe that there is sufficient justification for characterizing him as a petulant sourpuss for most of the series.
May 29, 2019 6:23 PM

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SSL443 said:
Naofumi has always been a generic, one-dimensional, flat-line with some superficial emo characteristics. He has at no point been a douche; rather, he was going around with a huge chip on his shoulder for no reason.

It seems that in the process of the adaptation, they decided to throw even this threadbare characterization away and instead make him even more generic and forgettable. The clinching moment was his crisis of conscience in the latest episode, which they attempted to disguise as more justice porn.
Hes also far from generic. Hes someone who embraced the image that was falsely painted on him and that made him quite an enjoyable character to watch. You can even see how he changed as a character before and after Malty and the King fucked him over
Are we really gonna make it..?
May 29, 2019 6:31 PM

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SSL443 said:
NekoShinomiya said:
For no reason...for no reason at all? What about the false rape allegation against malty and being publicly ridiculed for that reason. But yeah no reason at all. Those things never happened

You're coming into this without any of the previous discussion that has happened. So no, I don't believe that there is sufficient justification for characterizing him as a petulant sourpuss for most of the series.
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NekoShinomiya said:
For no reason...for no reason at all? What about the false rape allegation against malty and being publicly ridiculed for that reason. But yeah no reason at all. Those things never happened

You're coming into this without any of the previous discussion that has happened. So no, I don't believe that there is sufficient justification for characterizing him as a petulant sourpuss for most of the series.
it wasn't sufficient enough? The first episode was literally 40 minutes ffs. He was a stick when he first got "isekaid" but after what the Kingdom did to him he decided to take up the role of an anti-hero I guess. So there is plenty of justification, you're just dense
Are we really gonna make it..?
May 29, 2019 9:04 PM

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NekoShinomiya said:
it wasn't sufficient enough? The first episode was literally 40 minutes ffs. He was a stick when he first got "isekaid" but after what the Kingdom did to him he decided to take up the role of an anti-hero I guess. So there is plenty of justification, you're just dense

What does the episode runtime have to do with anything? Twice nothing is still nothing.

Number one; as was revealed in the latest episode, the narrative justification for people being on Naofumi's case right from the start was nothing more than lazy writing. This supports my assertion that the "setup" of the false rape accusation was contrived for the purpose of justice porn and not good storytelling or character development. There was no development or explanation of the motivations of the villains in the first episode, which added to the apparent contrivance for the sake of plot advancement.

Number two; the actual hardship that Naofumi experienced as a direct result of the frame-up was limited at most. Yet he spends the rest of the series with an expression on his face like he is perpetually constipated.

When you realize that Raphtalia underwent trauma orders of magnitudes greater, to say nothing of other demi-humans in-universe, it puts Naofumi's overboard reaction in perspective. The plot and development of his character fail to justify his edgy demeanor. This can only lead to the conclusion that he was written to appeal to shitlords who think an asshole MC is cool, regardless of the actual reasoning behind the characterization.

Calling me dense won't change facts, and might be projection. Food for thought.
May 29, 2019 9:18 PM
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SSL443 said:
NekoShinomiya said:
it wasn't sufficient enough? The first episode was literally 40 minutes ffs. He was a stick when he first got "isekaid" but after what the Kingdom did to him he decided to take up the role of an anti-hero I guess. So there is plenty of justification, you're just dense

What does the episode runtime have to do with anything? Twice nothing is still nothing.

Number one; as was revealed in the latest episode, the narrative justification for people being on Naofumi's case right from the start was nothing more than lazy writing. This supports my assertion that the "setup" of the false rape accusation was contrived for the purpose of justice porn and not good storytelling or character development. There was no development or explanation of the motivations of the villains in the first episode, which added to the apparent contrivance for the sake of plot advancement.

Number two; the actual hardship that Naofumi experienced as a direct result of the frame-up was limited at most. Yet he spends the rest of the series with an expression on his face like he is perpetually constipated.

When you realize that Raphtalia underwent trauma orders of magnitudes greater, to say nothing of other demi-humans in-universe, it puts Naofumi's overboard reaction in perspective. The plot and development of his character fail to justify his edgy demeanor. This can only lead to the conclusion that he was written to appeal to shitlords who think an asshole MC is cool, regardless of the actual reasoning behind the characterization.

Calling me dense won't change facts, and might be projection. Food for thought.


Why do you think its lazy writing the rape acusation? It is not its all over the story the shield hero being looked bad, its not because its a shallow reason that it means its lazy writing do you think you will find a lot of work out there that will have something like this but with a reason thats not shallow?

Asshole mc? Really what? Naofumi can be strict but he is sure not asshole as long you get to know him, if someone framed me like i was i would surely act as an asshole to people involved too, and rest of series... naofumi showed to change a lot along the way... unless you are saying only for the anime
May 30, 2019 9:06 AM

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LightoLhxd4 said:
Short_Circut said:
Should've stuck with just Raphtalia imo, having Filo and Melty join really turned this into another isekai harem
a stupid harem will never happen, even naofumi is not sexually attracted to them all, all he thinks is he just wants to go home soon

I don't mean in a romantic sense. I mean in the sense that the show has become more about a group of characters on a journey rather than the adventure of a mistreated protagonist. If the series decided to only follow Naofumi and Raphtalia, that would've left much more potential to bond and develop the characters a lot
May 30, 2019 10:05 AM
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But he was never a douche?? ? He talks shit sometimes, but i mean, it's understandable, in his position anybody would be upset. Aside from that he did nothing but good right from the beginning.

You're absolutely right. He was just having a problem with trusting others. He acts indifferent only to those who he doesn't know and like a douche-bag to people who have belittled him. Otherwise he was nice at heart from the very beginning. He didn't show it.
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SSL443 said:
Demyx_IX said:
What bothers me the most about that whole scene is that it literally never happens in the light novel, there's not even a trial either. So those two things are either from the manga or anime original scenes.

No question, the adaptation has been whitewashing the story, maybe in attempt to head off criticism from certain Western media or generally be more acceptable to broad audiences.

Not that I'm defending the source material mind you, but the changes they have made are not doing the story any favors.


I don't think it is quite at that level at trying to answer criticism, this isn't Disney we are talking about. I really think it is just about making it fit common tropes of the genre that seem popular. It is hard to have a self-insert character that is an edgy anti-hero, so make him more heroic, while trying to keep the anti-hero bits, and add a harem on top of it.
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He was just having a problem with trusting others. He acts detached best to those who he doesn't understand and like a douche-bag to human beings who have belittled him. Otherwise he become exceptional at coronary heart from the very starting as you can read here.
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The thing about that… It never really happens in the Light Novel. But if you want to consider protecting the things that he loves and owns a “noble deed”, then sure.

The anime adaptation differs from the light novel adaptation in the sense where it tries to be more dramatic.

Slight Spoilers for Light Novel Version of the same Scenes:

For example, Raphtalia never takes the beating from the Noble who she hated so much. Rather, she actually fights him with Filo and Naofumi and she forced him out of the windows.

The “execution scene” of Malty and Aultcray is an anime original too. What actually happened in the LN is that the Queen asked Naofumi what the punishment should be. Her logic being because Naofumi was the one who had to go through this mess, he is the one who should decide what their fates to be. He ultimately decided to change their name to be “Bitch” and “Trash”.

End Spoilers

What also is a little bit frustrating, however, is the fact that they toned down some of the best “dramatic” moments of that season.

Resume Spoilers

For example, Filo doesn’t wake up in a fucking field one day being able to transform into a human. What actually happened is that during the slave crest placement thing, she goes bonkers, injures 5 assistants, and then transforms into a human when Naofumi shows up. Then Naofumi threatens to abandon her if she keeps acting the way she is or something. I can see why they omitted this from the show, but this was a fucking hilarious scene.

End Spoilers

Naofumi’s action haven’t been altered enough to fuck over the entire timeline, but it was enough to fuck over how people perceive him. The guy’s not noble in the light novel, but rather he’s practical, essential, and very much like a businessman. He’s only “noble” in the anime, in my opinion, because the producers and investors were probably pressuring the staff.

That said, I only wrote this in 30 minutes and I didn’t revise it nor research it, so it’s basically my own opinion.
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You're truely proper. He was simply having a hassle with trusting others. He acts detached handiest to individuals who he would not realize and like a douche-bag to humans who've belittled him. I was working on a sell house fast project where I experienced the similar things in the content story Otherwise he became excellent at coronary heart from the very starting. He did not show it.
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You say Kirito as if this was a bad thing.

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