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So that's how they planned to end the show...
A final confrontation with Steel Ruler, dealing with darkness, and other shenanigans.
Honestly, this was an extremely underwhelming anime that didn't take off from the start.
Hope this doesn't get a second season after seeing that last minute of this show.
I didn't mind the art style at all, it's just the story was just such a chore to get through and so boring!
I'm still not entirely sure what this was suppose to be about, there were still plenty of questions that needed to be answered.
PLEASE DON'T GET A SECOND SEASON.
I hate that it took 12 episodes to make those Idol girls relevant, because they are fairly decent in this episode. I feel as if they took those 4 out and used that lost time to develop the villains a bit more the show would be a lot better. Also that cliffhanger fucking sucks, because I know we won't be getting a second season and I felt like I was just getting into the show.
- In the end Wraith was Ethan or not? Why Eleanor says that she creates him?
- How Eleanor can be saved if Wraith did die?
- How X-On know Ian's name?
- Why the frog's team not were absorved by Darkness?
- Who is Stan Leee team and he?
- What happen with X-On in the past? He only did escape?
So Xon isn't a reflected. That's a pretty big reveal to drop now and the ending being a cliffhanger makes me wonder if they were initially planning a two cour but it got cut to one. I wouldn't mind a second season, since there are still some unresolved questions here, but I hope they fix the many issues from this one.
I kind of wish Eleanor didn't come back, only because her death would have helped the story.
DarkKnight1107 said: I hate that it took 12 episodes to make those Idol girls relevant, because they are fairly decent in this episode. I feel as if they took those 4 out and used that lost time to develop the villains a bit more the show would be a lot better. Also that cliffhanger fucking sucks, because I know we won't be getting a second season and I felt like I was just getting into the show.
I think the show was just promoting the group, 9ine, which is why we kept seeing them but they didn't do anything until now.
I think this was a great episode. Though the show started slowly, I liked it in the end. And the awesome feeling which you got when the "Ninth Wonder" helped Ian was real. Hoping for a second season.
Maybe this wasn't the most exciting conclusion, and it was mostly predictable, but it was decent, as was the series as a whole - at the very least, this show is much better than the MAL score indicates.
The ending is such that there has to be a second season (in the first place, this show is called The Reflection Wave One, so it hints at Wave Two from the start, even before you see Wave Two threatening to begin in the ending). My fingers are crossed that there will be a second season despite everything.
What Zen nothingness & everything becoming one were they smoking? And a dragon appears.
Nice steel ruler switched sides finally, had the foreshadowing dev.
Seems Eleanor recreated dead Ethan from darkness, then it just went rampant? Somehow she was in everyone's consciousness then teleports back to real world?
The Ian & 4 girls combo and Xon had nice fights. The interesting abilities make most fights alright. Art was barely tolerable but there's bits of good moments.
Overall, it was decent at best. Story line felt super slow, and many of the episodes just felt meh.
Although there's no evidence of it, or none that I saw, what if the reflected were the precursors to people having quirks in Boku no Hero Academia???
To my knowledge, I don't recall there really being any real back story to how people got their quirks, they just happened to be born with them one day. So, say it's years and years in the future, people are still prejudice and about the reflected, making all those remaining just keep in hidden or go underground. Finally, someone has a kid, fakes that they aren't one of the reflected, and says the child was just born with powers. Others start doing the same thing, then BAM...you have quirks!
gophercg said: What Zen nothingness & everything becoming one were they smoking? And a dragon appears.
Nice steel ruler switched sides finally, had the foreshadowing dev.
Seems Eleanor recreated dead Ethan from darkness, then it just went rampant? Somehow she was in everyone's consciousness then teleports back to real world?
The Ian & 4 girls combo and Xon had nice fights. The interesting abilities make most fights alright. Art was barely tolerable but there's bits of good moments.
I rather think That Ethan was the real Ethan and not a creation of Eleanor but acording to the last episode... It's strange. Anyway, Wraith know all of Eleanor, it can be the both possibilities.
- In the end Wraith was Ethan or not? Why Eleanor says that she creates him?
- How Eleanor can be saved if Wraith did die?
- How X-On know Ian's name?
- Why the frog's team not were absorved by Darkness?
- Who is Stan Leee team and he?
- What happen with X-On in the past? He only did escape?
1) Eleanor split herself into a light and dark half which manifested as Ethan due to inner darkness/survivors guilt.
2) As above, Wraith was never real just a manifestation of Eleanor's suppressed darkness that weakened as she became aware of it slowly denying it over
3) X-On is clearly a big 80's US music fanboy. Saw him without the mask and was like "OMG ITS IAN"
4) Stan Lee's basically an evil Professor X with those powers. So....what if Magneto founded the X-Men and Professor X the Brotherhood? I think Marvel actually did an issue like that ages ago.
5) Guessing the Reflected are manufactured powers and X-On had a pre-Reflection power that allow him to copy them? Wait a minute....Mimic from the X-Men comics that Stan Lee also wrote was never a mutant either but he copies the powers of the original X-Men, Stan Lee's just ripping off his own stories here (just like in point 4).
- In the end Wraith was Ethan or not? Why Eleanor says that she creates him?
- How Eleanor can be saved if Wraith did die?
- How X-On know Ian's name?
- Why the frog's team not were absorved by Darkness?
- Who is Stan Leee team and he?
- What happen with X-On in the past? He only did escape?
1) Eleanor split herself into a light and dark half which manifested as Ethan due to inner darkness/survivors guilt.
2) As above, Wraith was never real just a manifestation of Eleanor's suppressed darkness that weakened as she became aware of it slowly denying it over
3) X-On is clearly a big 80's US music fanboy. Saw him without the mask and was like "OMG ITS IAN"
4) Stan Lee's basically an evil Professor X with those powers. So....what if Magneto founded the X-Men and Professor X the Brotherhood? I think Marvel actually did an issue like that ages ago.
5) Guessing the Reflected are manufactured powers and X-On had a pre-Reflection power that allow him to copy them? Wait a minute....Mimic from the X-Men comics that Stan Lee also wrote was never a mutant either but he copies the powers of the original X-Men, Stan Lee's just ripping off his own stories here (just like in point 4).
Well, much things make sense. But then, you think that the entire Wraith was a Eleanor creation, or only the Ethan part?
About Stan, i think that too, and perhaps he was the real Stan Lee as some god, traveling about worlds and testing the characters or something like that.
And about ripping his stories, yeah, i see as a big tribute to all heroes. X-On is a "serious" Spiderman, Ian is Ironman, etc. About people saying Boku no Hero it's a copy of this, i see it in the contrary, Stan Lee is the father of almost every hero, and Boku no Hero takes it's history of that. And i love Boku no Hero too, but it not invented the heroes.
- In the end Wraith was Ethan or not? Why Eleanor says that she creates him?
- How Eleanor can be saved if Wraith did die?
- How X-On know Ian's name?
- Why the frog's team not were absorved by Darkness?
- Who is Stan Leee team and he?
- What happen with X-On in the past? He only did escape?
1) Eleanor split herself into a light and dark half which manifested as Ethan due to inner darkness/survivors guilt.
2) As above, Wraith was never real just a manifestation of Eleanor's suppressed darkness that weakened as she became aware of it slowly denying it over
3) X-On is clearly a big 80's US music fanboy. Saw him without the mask and was like "OMG ITS IAN"
4) Stan Lee's basically an evil Professor X with those powers. So....what if Magneto founded the X-Men and Professor X the Brotherhood? I think Marvel actually did an issue like that ages ago.
5) Guessing the Reflected are manufactured powers and X-On had a pre-Reflection power that allow him to copy them? Wait a minute....Mimic from the X-Men comics that Stan Lee also wrote was never a mutant either but he copies the powers of the original X-Men, Stan Lee's just ripping off his own stories here (just like in point 4).
Ian vs that killer.
Shining Flash!
9nine!!!!! Dat insert ED theme.
Sky Show!
Ian and 9nine teaming up!
Vy is back to normal.
Dat hand in the sky.
X-On is not a reflected to being with?
9nine kicking ass! lol at that burning flare.
Wind Shining Earth Flare!
Ian blasted Wraith.
Eleanor is back.
Now everyone leaving with the quickness.
Lisa cockblock Eleanor.
9th Wonder!
LMAO at Ian calling them 9nine.
X-On and Eleanor having their moment. lol
WTF is that in the sky? Season 2? No!!!!!!!
And that was the end of Kingdom He- I mean The Reflection. Best thing about it was obviously 9nine (big fan) and Sky Show.
If you see that my post is exactly 1 month old (or more) from when it was posted... Don't waste your time, especially when you want to reply with something petty & insignificant. Assume that I've moved on (because I have).
A decent middle-show episode for a 26eps series. But that was actually the end...
So, Ethan was indeed Eleanor's dark half. I wasn't sure at first but nobod can complain about that as it does make sense and is one of the most used concepts here and there.
The Nice Ones/9Nine finally barging into the action was a foreseeable yet enjoyable gift. I wasn't expecting them to be a magical girl sentai.
I wasn't expecting something to literally live beyond the "darkness" (how much I wanted to laugh after hearing darkness over and over again ^^"). Looks like the dragon / darkness being is linked to the Reflexion and that the event isn't a "natural" phenomenon, I would have been interested to delve further into it, no matter how unoriginal this was.
Enjoyment: 4/5 Why was it so badly produced ?! They lost their chance to tell the whole planned story.
Overall:
Lots of hommages. Nice style but bad animation to illustrate a very conventional story suffering from bad narration. Plus, it ends incomplete.
Score: 4.5+/10
@CodeBlazeFate Weren't you hell bent on cleaning your 2017 summer stocks?
So I was finally able to get to this anime. I had planned to watch it when it came out, but eventually I forgot about it since it came out later than most of the shows of its season. Then when I remembered it, I saw that it had a pretty low score here on MAL. I decided I'd just go ahead and procrastinate on watching it.
First I'd like to say that this last episode was pretty bad. We've been following these girls for a while and they've only been able to do something now. What's the point, right? As a viewer, you're usually not interested in people who are relevant at the end of the show. Like...?? You see Marchen Madchen? Random chick comes out in episode nine when NO ONE cares anymore? Yeah. No one cared. So the appearance of these girls as relevant characters was just kinda... at this point I was like, "Man, whatever". BUT I'm not too upset about that.
There were few things about this series that people mainly didn't seem to like: the art, the animation, and the pacing.
For me, I actually liked the art. Reading the posts on episode one and nearly any other series which takes on a more modern western style, I found that a lot of people were just really biased toward the comic book art style. As an artist myself, I find it to be a shame that so many anime fans continue to only appreciate the anime art style and feel it should never be "corrupted". There are shows out there that kinda just use the anime art style and that's it, but this is a collaboration between artists and that's something artists often love to partake in... some do it for money and some for a genuine love of creating something different or experimenting with combining ideas that are usually not combined (or some do it for both which is fine too since ya gotta pay those bills). Anyway, reading people clearly stating their preconceived disdain for anything non-anime was a little disheartening. The bias makes it hard for creators to really try things out.
The animation actually wasn't terrible. There really were some actual parts which definitely could have been better, but we usually weren't seeing bad animation. Some said the animation was too slow, but actually that was a part of the animation style. I've noticed a lot of shows which try to give a very distinct "western" animation style tend to "move slower". There is a reason behind that in which... well pretty much, most anime moves fast because they use a limited animation style. Iconic western animation usually tries to have as many pictures per second as possible (15, 18, etc) while most anime tends to have like eight pictures per second, so anime comes off as more dynamic and fast (it's usually a time and cost-cutting method-- understandably since you have to work FAST in television). But when an audience sees an animation that's purposely done really slow to emulate a very stylized western animation, it's going to seem understandably slow... but it's really not slow. Usually. There were some objects which actually were animated really slow, but they weren't all over the place. This animation also tended to use some of the limited animation techniques of anime every now and then, which was interesting for sure. Anyway, I was totally fine with the animation.;;
I actually liked the pacing of the show. People called the pacing slow... I actually really appreciated how they took things slow and just kinda let the characters breathe or take things in for a second for the most part. Those silent stares, the time they let Eleanor just go home and slump, how they allowed the confusion of the characters to sit in with us-- it was all really nice. It's that slow and steady feeling that made me enjoy it. I don't want to say it was like a slice of life superhero show, but it did have a type of tone which kinda makes you think, "These characters are figuring out things just about at the same pace as we are". Aggh I loved that.
People also said that the punches didn't have weight but...?? I thought all the audio was just fine. No idea why people thought that. Maybe they felt that punches needed to be louder...? Punches are honestly not that loud. Like yo, do some foley and you'll see. Like actually, a lot of people are complaining that Stan Lee being on this project brings a negative Hollywood vibe to anime, but the idea that sounds have to be big and booming is a Hollywood idea which this show did not give into.;; The sounds were exactly as they were supposed to be... and I loved that about this show as well.
Speaking of the Hollywood vibe that people didn't want, this anime actually avoided quite a few Hollywood-esque tropes while still being cinematic, oddly enough. This show definitely downplayed a lot of things that Hollywood would usually do, and that's mainly making the stakes high in every single scene you see. We did get to rest instead of always being on our toes, and I appreciated that so much. I guess that's one of the really great parts about collaborations between Japanese and U.S. creators. Japan seems to enjoy things where the stakes aren't as high while the U.S. like things where the stakes ARE high (action, action, action!), but when you put the two together, you do get a nice little balance where the show gives you time to take things in, breathe, and yet still enjoy the action unfolding.
I did like the characters! Actually, I really liked Ian's development. I mean after you hear Sky Show for like the fifth time, you start to wonder like, "Dude, it's always Sky Show". Then you realize that in a way, that's all this guy has... a shell of a song that he sang long ago. The only thing that exists that really shows that he lived or is even here. The only thing that gave him meaning. So of course, he clings to it. He has no choice but to do so because he hasn't grown away from it and thinks his current "occupation" gives him more meaning from the world's view. They don't really SAY all that; they make you realize that yourself and in turn you get sick of his character being the way he is and want him to change. You're rooting for him to change for the better.
Eleanor is fine. Lisa is fine. I didn't want to compare this to another collab which Stan Lee was apart of but oh gosh I gotta. See, I really liked Heroman, but uggh I was so frustrated with how blah the female characters were. They didn't really DO anything! Like, this guy with crutches ended up doing more than them-- not that I'm dismissing the abilities of anyone with any type of disabilities, I just felt like the show itself was dismissing any female character. Like dang. How are you gonna serious have a character standing around just being a love interest? Have her DO something! But anyway, they didn't do that here, and thank goodness for that. Heck, we have two female characters who play a pretty big role in this show-- and that's all I'm going to say about female anything because it's not even about like strong female characters, it's about having characters not be useless regardless of gender. I wouldn't care if all these characters were male or all of them were female as long as they do something. The show passed the "having decent characters" test in 2017. Okay thank you. Moving on.
For Lisa, I liked how they directed her for certain things, but I feel like they actually could have done more with her. Like don't get me wrong, she was so sweet that I couldn't help but like her, and I appreciated adding in how much all the events were putting a strain on her since all her new mobility took some getting used to. But it kinda seems like most of Lisa's development took place before we met her. There wasn't too much more to explore. Absolutely adored her personality though.
I was always really interested in Micheal and Vy and how the show explored their bond and tried to test just how much it could possibly break.
X-On was okay, but we really should have been given more on him. He looks cool I guess but like dang dude, who are you exactly?? No like I know who you are, but who are you? You know what I mean?
Anyway, The Reflection had great moments for me, but some things could have used more work and time. But I loved the overall tone of the show and how it ran. My biggest gripes are with some of the characters and some of the plot.
I am forever surprised that anyone dare say that this is just another version of characters and comics that already exist in the Western comic universe as if that's a negative thing or a "problem" only this could possibly have. There is nothing wrong with taking something that already exists and changing it a bit for a different audience. It happens all the time-- even in anime. Also, you can't tell me some anime aren't just the same thing. Like yo, so many anime characters are so similar that they're just tropes and everyone just accepts it. Tsundere, Kuudere... ring any bells? Look at Naruto, Boruto, and My Hero Academia... they're more or less the same thing, they just changed some things up-- all three pretty much have a chunin exam, man. Nothing is new. Again, it's that "non-Western" bias talking; anime does the same thing you're complaining about. Anime is not sacred, nor is it the exception. It also doesn't all have to look the same.
But yeah! I'd definitely watch a season two. ouo)b
It's weird cuz except the chopy, sluggish and bare animation we got from most of the show. Other elements carried the ride just fine (more or less) into what I would consider a pleasant watch.
Although, I admit the cliffhanger was not a welcomed surprise but it's probably nevessary in the eventuality a new season ever occur in the future.