The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (light novel)
| At the end of the movie Kyon acknowledges that some time in the future he will have to travel back in time to save himself. We as the audience know that he will eventually go back and save himself because...he did save himself, therefore it must happen in the future (if any of that makes sense) "We know it happens because it happened" would be the simplest way to put it :p |
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| When you get to the part where you are imagining an altered future with a human nagato STOP. It never happens. You are writing your own story. The future self save loop is what happened. Its possible because he see's himself doing it. |
| It's not a plot hole. After Kyon injects Yuki, the timeline is changed so that Kyon bumped his head the next day. He just gets to keep the memories of the alternate world. |
| "I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
kamisama751 said: It is calles "plot hole". I think you need to add this term into your dictionary. Except it's not a plot hole, OP just failed to understand time travel. |
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| *Insert "Read the LN" comment here* |
| It's very confusing but if you read the light novel (I read them all. However I barely remember so correct me if I'm wrong) it's not a plot hole. |
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poppyface said: It's not a plot hole. After Kyon injects Yuki, the timeline is changed so that Kyon bumped his head the next day. He just gets to keep the memories of the alternate world. But what he's saying is Kyon never DID inject Yuki, Kyon #2 did. But, since Kyon was stabbed before injecting Yuki, how does Kyon #2 even exist at that point? |
KyonIwasawa said: Kyon #2 saved himself so he could save himself I guesspoppyface said: It's not a plot hole. After Kyon injects Yuki, the timeline is changed so that Kyon bumped his head the next day. He just gets to keep the memories of the alternate world. But what he's saying is Kyon never DID inject Yuki, Kyon #2 did. But, since Kyon was stabbed before injecting Yuki, how does Kyon #2 even exist at that point? Causal loops are nothing new in the realm of storytelling |
| "I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
| Just finished watching this today and was confused by the same scene at first (and also why when back in his original fixed world the event which rendered him unconscious was changed to falling down the school staircase), but it seems to be saying that the reason future Kyon #2 existed is because he was always the one who was going to come back and give Yuki the injection, not the Kyon we were following. It's maybe a case of being deliberately narratively misleading. We were following the Kyon who was stabbed, so naturally as the protagonist we expected he'd be central to the action, but that version of him was never the one to give Yuki the injection. It was a version of him that traveled back in time to the morning of the 18th from the present world moments after Yuki changed everything in the space-time continuum. That's why in the last scenes in the movie we see him talking about still being obligated to go back and do that, to play his role as that Kyon, to ensure the world ends up as it is now. He'll have to go back and do it soon, but he's shown putting it off and preferring to partake in some of Haruhi's hotpot extravaganza. |
| Kyon #2 is not a result of Kyon #1 life. I do believe that Kyon #1 has actually died there.. but ir doesn't matter cause the whole world that Kyon came from disappeared. Kyon #2 remained with the whole experience cause his mentality didn't get affected by Nagato anyways.. that's why he knew he had to continue what his other version failed to do. In brief, Kyon #1 timeline mutated, then he moved totally in another line. his death doesn't affect Kyon from this timeline. |
WatchTillTandava said: Just finished watching this today and was confused by the same scene at first (and also why when back in his original fixed world the event which rendered him unconscious was changed to falling down the school staircase), but it seems to be saying that the reason future Kyon #2 existed is because he was always the one who was going to come back and give Yuki the injection, not the Kyon we were following. It's maybe a case of being deliberately narratively misleading. We were following the Kyon who was stabbed, so naturally as the protagonist we expected he'd be central to the action, but that version of him was never the one to give Yuki the injection. It was a version of him that traveled back in time to the morning of the 18th from the present world moments after Yuki changed everything in the space-time continuum. That's why in the last scenes in the movie we see him talking about still being obligated to go back and do that, to play his role as that Kyon, to ensure the world ends up as it is now. He'll have to go back and do it soon, but he's shown putting it off and preferring to partake in some of Haruhi's hotpot extravaganza. So there were three kyon in the morning of 18th? one from 21st one living one from future The future one saves himself from Asakura and the timeline changes to normal and now he has to go back in the past to save another one, is that you are saying? |
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