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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- Kurose has been aware that he's using Shirotani. He's owned up to this and he's said that he really loves Shirotani now, but I'm still not sure if this is true. Perhaps he doesn't even know. I'm mad that he told Shirotani there was no other reason he helped. Admittedly, if I were Shirotani and I heard the reason I might leave Kurose. So that leaves me with three questions. Is Kurose still using Shirotani/are his feelings for Shirotani real, what did Kurose mean when he said he made a mistake with Shirotani, and what is the tenth thing Shirotani wrote? |
| "It's a tragic misunderstanding that could have been easily avoided if he just finished his sentence in time!" — Richard Watterson (The Amazing World of Gumball) |
| What?? are you saying this for real? you basically totally twisted EVERYTHING happened in this chapter. Have you read it properly? i don't think so you are only said things without sense and i know why, because you hate Kurose like almost everyone who reads this manga and i don't undestand why. In this chapter we see Kurose feeling guilty towards Nishigaki because he's disappeared. His mother told him she heard some voice about Nishigaki maybe he is disappeared and maybe committed suicide, then Kurose started to think that is his fault. Kurose reads a book about mysophobia and it left a big impression on him of how sad and awful this condition is. He want to help Shirotani because he knows how horrible is mysophobia and that time wasn't able to help Nishigaki so now he is trying to help Shirotani. SHIROTANI IS NOT A REPLACEMENT OF NISHIGAKI Kurose wanted to help him as a friend but things has changed and he started to fall in love with him. He loves Shirotani and i don't understand why you think his love is fake. The mistake was having sex with him because he is afraid to hurt him and be abandoned by Shirotani. |
kanra_riMay 13, 2016 3:38 PM
| I twisted everything that happened? I'm going to have to disagree there. A LOT of people agree with me. What I said was my INTERPRETATION of what happened. Please don't flip out when people don't agree with you. I don't think it's supposed to be 100% clear at this point. And despite how he feels now, he initially helped Shirotani to make himself better about what happened with Nishigaki. He lied to Shirotani about there having been no other reason. Those are facts which cannot be denied. I'm not saying Kurose is a terrible person, but I'm saying that he needs to be more honest with Shirotani and himself. I mean, some of the things he said totally took my doubts of him not loving Shirotani away, whereas other comments made me suspicious. I don't hate Kurose; I just sympathize with Shirotani very much because I was like him for a long time and I know that pain. |
SuranaMay 13, 2016 5:59 PM
| "It's a tragic misunderstanding that could have been easily avoided if he just finished his sentence in time!" — Richard Watterson (The Amazing World of Gumball) |
| Where'd you guys read it? |
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| Please forgive me. I need to ALL CAPS the following because. SENSEIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII AHHHHHHHHHHHH YOUR WORK IS SO BEAUTIFUL YOUR ART IS SO BEAUTIFUL TEARS ARE IN MY EYES DEAR GOD SUCH ART IS BEYOND BEAUTIFUL A WORD DOES NOT EXIST FOR THE BEAUTY IN YOUR ART BLESS YOU FOR WORKING VERY HARD AND SHARING YOUR ART WITH US!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM ETERNALLY GRATEFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry I had to freak out a little because the art...THE ART...I can't even find words to express how beautiful her art is to me. I am so happy for every line, every bit of shading...everything!!! I feel like seeing important points in Kurose's childhood opened the story up (I know that's the point/chara development, but I feel like it was done wonderfully). I was also excited to see new expressions from both Shirotani and Kurose. Shirotani's gentle eyes and soft smile...so beautiful!!! Shirotani's upward gazing face when Kurose put his arms around him... There are too many to discuss each one but I am in awe! The feelings of the charas came across so strongly, at least to me. *AWE STRUCK* / *OVERWHELMED* I'll stop now but...I think instead of waiting until August I will just get the original manga volumes instead of the English translation volumes...or maybe if I am lucky I will get one of each... *HOPES* I absolutely must own these books but I was waiting for the English release as I cannot read Nihongo but...I need to own originals. I also want to give thanks to those who scan, clean, and translate so this work can appear online. If there were no scanlations I would not know how amazing these books are. *DECIDED* I definitely want the original (non-translated) books. I can reference scanlations as I "read" the physical book. Ahhhhhhhh!!! Now I'm really overly excited!!! I thought I'd be waiting until August! I can't even imagine how beautiful the books are!!! ♡ |
| I actually felt the same way about how Kurose might be using Shirotani as a substitute of Nishigaki / he's saying that he loves him basically because he sees it as a part of the 'treatment' (at least for now) after reading the recent chapters, especially when Shitotani did mention that Kurose made a face which seems like he's wanting to cry at the end after all that happened. I guess that's why it hurts me so much to read eventhough it is supposedly, a confession chapter. |
ShinoMay 18, 2016 3:58 PM
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| My heart can't take it. :c I actually agree that Kurose is using Shirotani as a substitute for Nishigaki and he felt sorry for using Shirotani. I don't know if he really likes Shirotani but I hope that will happen soon. It's like when he said "I’m sorry that I fell in love with you. I really love you. Please don’t abandon me." It felt like he can't stll forget Nishigaki. :[ And the last page made my heart cringe. ;3; |
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| I really think that maybe some people can't understand what they are reading...i'm speechless have some respect for Takarai's work seriously i don't understand the need to twist everything Kurose says that's really sad and depressing. He was saying how he loves Shirotani "no he was thinking about Nishigaki" eh???D: All of these comments makes me cringe because in the end is a bl manga and love is the most important part like Takarai sensei said in an interview, nobody is using someone here. Nishigaki was only a part of Kurose past and what he makes him approach Shirotani in the beginning then things changed and he fell in love. Kurose was almost crying while saying how adorable is Shirotani and how he likes him and he has afraid to be abbandoned by him because he thinks having sex with him was a mistake. How can people still say that he doesn't love Shirotani :( |
kanra_ri said: I really think that maybe some people can't understand what they are reading...i'm speechless have some respect for Takarai's work seriously i don't understand the need to twist everything Kurose says that's really sad and depressing. He was saying how he loves Shirotani "no he was thinking about Nishigaki" eh???D: All of these comments makes me cringe because in the end is a bl manga and love is the most important part like Takarai sensei said in an interview, nobody is using someone here. Nishigaki was only a part of Kurose past and what he makes him approach Shirotani in the beginning then things changed and he fell in love. Kurose was almost crying while saying how adorable is Shirotani and how he likes him and he has afraid to be abbandoned by him because he thinks having sex with him was a mistake. How can people still say that he doesn't love Shirotani :( BL always has love? You certainly haven't read a lot of manga. None of us said that we doubt Kurose's feelings for Shirotani. I know Kurose has feelings for Shirotani, and I don't doubt that he's in love. However, I'm not sure if all of those feelings are really being directed towards Shirotani. Shirotani was using Kurose to an extent, too. I'm not doubting that either of them have feelings for each other. Absolutely none of us are saying that. We're just saying that we don't think those feelings are so clear cut. Also, I'd love to see a link to that interview because I find it hard to believe that at no point in this manga were either of them using each other. I believe that neither of them are are INTENTIONALLY using the other, and I'm guessing that's what the mangaka meant. |
| "It's a tragic misunderstanding that could have been easily avoided if he just finished his sentence in time!" — Richard Watterson (The Amazing World of Gumball) |
Anna555 said: kanra_ri said: I really think that maybe some people can't understand what they are reading...i'm speechless have some respect for Takarai's work seriously i don't understand the need to twist everything Kurose says that's really sad and depressing. He was saying how he loves Shirotani "no he was thinking about Nishigaki" eh???D: All of these comments makes me cringe because in the end is a bl manga and love is the most important part like Takarai sensei said in an interview, nobody is using someone here. Nishigaki was only a part of Kurose past and what he makes him approach Shirotani in the beginning then things changed and he fell in love. Kurose was almost crying while saying how adorable is Shirotani and how he likes him and he has afraid to be abbandoned by him because he thinks having sex with him was a mistake. How can people still say that he doesn't love Shirotani :( BL always has love? You certainly haven't read a lot of manga. None of us said that we doubt Kurose's feelings for Shirotani. I know Kurose has feelings for Shirotani, and I don't doubt that he's in love. However, I'm not sure if all of those feelings are really being directed towards Shirotani. Shirotani was using Kurose to an extent, too. I'm not doubting that either of them have feelings for each other. Absolutely none of us are saying that. We're just saying that we don't think those feelings are so clear cut. Also, I'd love to see a link to that interview because I find it hard to believe that at no point in this manga were either of them using each other. I believe that neither of them are are INTENTIONALLY using the other, and I'm guessing that's what the mangaka meant. You clearly don't understand what i wanted to say so is useless talk with you. I said for Takarai Rihito ,not in every bl, love/romance is the most important part. You want to believe this is the kind of story about how this two are using each other? ok fine but it's a sad and sick theory. Peace. The scan of the translated interview are on tumblr search for it. |
kanra_ri said: Anna555 said: BL always has love? You certainly haven't read a lot of manga. None of us said that we doubt Kurose's feelings for Shirotani. I know Kurose has feelings for Shirotani, and I don't doubt that he's in love. However, I'm not sure if all of those feelings are really being directed towards Shirotani. Shirotani was using Kurose to an extent, too. I'm not doubting that either of them have feelings for each other. Absolutely none of us are saying that. We're just saying that we don't think those feelings are so clear cut. Also, I'd love to see a link to that interview because I find it hard to believe that at no point in this manga were either of them using each other. I believe that neither of them are are INTENTIONALLY using the other, and I'm guessing that's what the mangaka meant. You clearly don't understand what i wanted to say so is useless talk with you. I said for Takarai Rihito ,not in every bl, love/romance is the most important part. You want to believe this is the kind of story about how this two are using each other? ok fine but it's a sad and sick theory. Peace. The scan of the translated interview are on tumblr search for it. Kurose flat out says that he was originally using Shirotani because of his misophobia. Whether he still feels that way or not is up to interpretation. Anyway, the fact that we think that Kurose and Shirotani are manipulating each other is NOT a disrespect to sensei's work. If anything, we're applauding her in depth writing ability, making the characters and their pasts so complex and encouraging us to analyze each of the characters. I find this manga so amazing because I can relate to it so much. I have been Shirotani, and I know how much you feel alone and grasp on to anyone who can help you. It doesn't mean you don't care for them. I understand exactly what you are saying, and I disagree. As you can see, most of the people on this thread disagree, and instead of agreeing that we can all have our own opinions, you're being extremely petty and childish by attacking people and calling them sick and stupid. |
SuranaJun 9, 2016 3:40 PM
| "It's a tragic misunderstanding that could have been easily avoided if he just finished his sentence in time!" — Richard Watterson (The Amazing World of Gumball) |
Anna555 said: kanra_ri said: You clearly don't understand what i wanted to say so is useless talk with you. I said for Takarai Rihito ,not in every bl, love/romance is the most important part. You want to believe this is the kind of story about how this two are using each other? ok fine but it's a sad and sick theory. Peace. The scan of the translated interview are on tumblr search for it. Kurose flat out says that he was originally using Shirotani because of his misophobia. Whether he still feels that way or not is up to interpretation. Anyway, the fact that we think that Kurose and Shirotani are manipulating each other is NOT a disrespect to sensei's work. If anything, we're applauding her in depth writing ability, making the characters and their pasts so complex and encouraging us to analyze each of the characters. I find this manga so amazing because I can relate to it so much. I have been Shirotani, and I know how much you feel alone and grasp on to anyone who can help you. It doesn't mean you don't care for them. I understand exactly what you are saying, and I disagree. As you can see, most of the people on this thread disagree, and instead of agreeing that we can all have our own opinions, you're being extremely petty and childish by attacking people and calling them sick and stupid. I don't like talking about personal things but i have the same problem as Shirotani I can't even hug a person or have a boyfriend let alone taking bus or train without feeling sick and other normal things are difficult for me to do. Life is still like hell for me and i'm completely alone. And that's one of the reason why i started this manga and that's why this manga is so precious for me. I'm not petty and i'm not attacking people i said all this opinions are sick because it seems that everyone want to see only the negative things in this manga. I don't care if everyone agree with you i still want to defend my opinion. Sorry it wasn't my intention to say something bad to you or other people. |
kanra_ri said: I don't like talking about personal things but i have the same problem as Shirotani I can't even hug a person or have a boyfriend let alone taking bus or train without feeling sick and other normal things are difficult for me to do. Life is still like hell for me and i'm completely alone. And that's one of the reason why i started this manga and that's why this manga is so precious for me. I'm not petty and i'm not attacking people i said all this opinions are sick because it seems that everyone want to see only the negative things in this manga. I don't care if everyone agree with you i still want to defend my opinion. Sorry it wasn't my intention to say something bad to you or other people. Exactly, that's why I started the manga, too. I remember being little and having skin so chapped that layers would peel off and I would bleed. I'd have to walk around wearing plastic gloves and couldn't even touch my family. I'd drop to the floor and start screaming in defeat. That's why I love the realness of this manga. It's fine, and I'm sorry as well. The two of us misunderstood each other and could have worded things better. We don't mean to see these as negative things about the manga, but rather hardships that will be overcome in the end by Shirotani and Kurose's feelings for one another. |
| "It's a tragic misunderstanding that could have been easily avoided if he just finished his sentence in time!" — Richard Watterson (The Amazing World of Gumball) |
| This is soooo beautiful!!!!! My heart can't handle it!!!! Hopefully this will get an anime or a live action will be better! |
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| now we know kurose reason... so what is the tenth count |
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