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Sep 20, 2015 2:17 AM
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So now that we know without the Sun Saint manipulation, the default state of the area should be foggy.

Yet we saw the area was actually pretty bright with no fog at all.

An oversight or actual plot hole?
Sep 20, 2015 2:22 AM
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More than one day has passed since the activation of the barrier.
As long as the condition for the fog were ok at that time, I don't think it requires to still be ok one day latter.

OR I missing something there? The dew point was raised artificially, but since then everything had the time to come back to normal.
Sep 20, 2015 3:08 AM
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Idk, maybe it's just sunny for dramatic effect. I don't really mind, since it's just aesthetics.
Sep 20, 2015 3:40 AM
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The fake (or real? ^^) fog was only because the drop in temperature. Since multiple days have passed and it was only for tricking them, its normal that it disappeared.

When they came first to the area, there also was no fog, because the weather normally dont create it there.

no plothole. Just science.
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Sep 20, 2015 6:21 AM
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Zefyris said:
More than one day has passed since the activation of the barrier.
As long as the condition for the fog were ok at that time, I don't think it requires to still be ok one day latter.

OR I missing something there? The dew point was raised artificially, but since then everything had the time to come back to normal.

Erm did you got it reverse? I understand that the anime shows Adlet going to the trouble of explaining the sea, but imo that is more of the anime telling viewers that it is normal for that area to be foggy, rather then explaining how Nash went about creating a condition suitable for flash fog.

In fact, the flash fog is nothing but letting the area return to it's default state instantly(by killing off the temp manipulation), which is foggy.

Comander-07 said:
The fake (or real? ^^) fog was only because the drop in temperature. Since multiple days have passed and it was only for tricking them, its normal that it disappeared.

When they came first to the area, there also was no fog, because the weather normally dont create it there.

no plothole. Just science.


When they first reach there, the temperature raise was already in place. When the real fog(not the magical one) appear making them think the barrier was activated, that is supposed to be the normal state of the area.
Sep 20, 2015 6:26 AM
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No, the default state is not foggy.
i'm too lazy, so i think you can open 11th episode discussion thread. there are alot of fog explanation there iirc.
Sep 20, 2015 6:41 AM
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-Gensan- said:
No, the default state is not foggy.
i'm too lazy, so i think you can open 11th episode discussion thread. there are alot of fog explanation there iirc.

I am also lazy too so I keep it short. The temperature raise was merely for the purpose of hiding the fog(unsaturate the area)

http://starryskies.com/articles/2007/10/fog.html
If you live near the ocean you will likely have seen sea fog. Sea fog forms when the condensation nuclei is salt. Salt is, of course, very common near the ocean where it is kicked up into the atmosphere by the breaking waves. Salt is a unique condensation nuclei in that it will allow fog to form when the humidity is as low as 70%.

The sea is there all along. Nash didn't teleport the sea breeze there during their time there. That area is foggy right off the bat.

Edit:

Unless of course you want to argue that was mist, and not fog. And the translation got it wrong ;)

Mist is tiny droplets of water hanging in the air. These droplets form when warmer water in the air is rapidly cooled, causing it to change from invisible gas to tiny visible water droplets. Mist often forms when warmer air over water suddenly encounters the cooler surface of land.
ChiyousagiSep 20, 2015 6:47 AM
Sep 20, 2015 7:01 AM
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Mist and fog have the same translation in japanese. Proof if you want : http://jisho.org/search/kiri

So if you think that phenomenon would be more logical with a mist than a fog, then that's a mist. I doubt any translator is knowledgeable enough to make the difference (I always thought that those two were the same meaning in english myself).
Sep 20, 2015 7:42 AM
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Zefyris said:
Mist and fog have the same translation in japanese. Proof if you want : http://jisho.org/search/kiri

So if you think that phenomenon would be more logical with a mist than a fog, then that's a mist. I doubt any translator is knowledgeable enough to make the difference (I always thought that those two were the same meaning in english myself).

Well that definitely explain how the area isn't foggy to begin with.

And of course that makes much more sense as to why the salt saint will involve magical fog to surround the area compared to doing that when the area itself is already foggy.
Sep 20, 2015 7:49 AM

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Chiyousagi, the area in question isn't such an extreme place that mist or fog (both words translate to one word in my language, so I can't tell the difference too) would be there all the time. In fact, such places are really rare.

~2 days have passed since the fog was made with Sun's power, and that effect has dissipated already. That effect no longer applies, all the excess moisture has already dropped out of the air or was carried away by the wind. Provided fog/mist physics weren't screwed up by the Illusion Fog Barrier, of course.

A few hours have passed since the Illusion Fog Barrier was dispelled, so its magic isn't maintaining the fog any longer.

So, there were no more effects to keep the fog/mist any longer.
Sep 20, 2015 7:49 AM

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Well then, that's a translation miss I'm afraid.
CR did quite a bit of those across the episodes but I can't blame them on this one precisely, I didn't know either...

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