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Apr 15, 2017 2:26 AM

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LeeTailor said:
HapHazrD said:
Can't help but think Fumi is quite hypocritical on this one. At least Yasuko went to her sister's wedding, when Fumi wouldn't even face her cousin anymore.
Yasuko is the one who grew the most throghout the show. Fumi still has a ways to go.


While technically it's true that eventually Fumi will have to get better at controlling her emotions, and she's obviously not perfect, I don't think you're making a fair comparison. The fact that Fumi doesn't want to face her cousin or Yasuko is because she knows that seeing her cousin would be painful and she wants to avoid that pain, while Yasuko probably tagged along with Fumi either as a means to distract herself and make herself feel better, or for her own amusement - which is the direct reason why Fumi told her to "grow up". What you said implies that since Yasuko had a painful experience, she is entitled to give Fumi the same treatment, as if it were Fumi's fault that Yasuko, whether on her own volition or not, went to her sister's wedding.

Not to mention that, as far as I know, keeping close contact with an ex or the object of an unrequited crush or ex will most likely interfere with the process of moving on, in its early stages at the very least. Remember, this is not like a phobia that you can "conquer" by facing the object that causes it.

Still, it's kind of interesting that these characters can be apparently interpreted in such wildly different ways.

I really didn't see it that way. Yes, Yasuko was using Fumi at the beginning of their relationship, but she distanced herself after realizing she was doing something wrong. She went to the wedding to face her past and try to move on. For the same reason, she went to see Fumi and apologize for her earlier behaviour, although Fumi didn't let her do that.
Yasuko knows she screwed up and tries to make good with it in order to turn the page and start anew.

On the other hand, Fumi didn't go to her cousin's wedding, didn't even go see her at all since, and now pushes Yasuko away too. Instead of facing her painful experiences head on, she's running away from them. Both of them try to cope from rejection and unrequited love but, when Yasuko does it through affirmative action, Fumi refuses to confront it and instead tries to forget about it entirely but never can. While Fumi's behaviour is understandable, I don't think it's either healthy nor laudable. She won't always be able to turn a blind eye to everything she dislikes in the future, and she can't continue to rely so heavily on Akira for support.


HapHazrDApr 15, 2017 6:47 AM
Apr 15, 2017 9:52 AM

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HapHazrD said:
I really didn't see it that way. Yes, Yasuko was using Fumi at the beginning of their relationship, but she distanced herself after realizing she was doing something wrong. She went to the wedding to face her past and try to move on. For the same reason, she went to see Fumi and apologize for her earlier behaviour, although Fumi didn't let her do that.
Yasuko knows she screwed up and tries to make good with it in order to turn the page and start anew.

On the other hand, Fumi didn't go to her cousin's wedding, didn't even go see her at all since, and now pushes Yasuko away too. Instead of facing her painful experiences head on, she's running away from them. Both of them try to cope from rejection and unrequited love but, when Yasuko does it through affirmative action, Fumi refuses to confront it and instead tries to forget about it entirely but never can. While Fumi's behaviour is understandable, I don't think it's either healthy nor laudable. She won't always be able to turn a blind eye to everything she dislikes in the future, and she can't continue to rely so heavily on Akira for support.


Thanks for tagging the spoiler. Again, I fully agree that Fumi needs to learn to face her problems head-on and to be more independent from Akira. I just believe that forcing herself to see her exes too soon would prevent her from moving on, and I also believe that Yasuko has no right to force Fumi to do any of these things. That's not to say Yasuko is a bad person necessarily. In addition, I didn't get the impression that Yasuko tagged along with Akira because she planned on apologizing to Fumi. I haven't read the manga, so that could be a reason. In conclusion, I propose to agree to disagree. (And please don't give me any details from the manga, as I'm planning on reading it.)
LeeTailorApr 15, 2017 9:58 AM
Jul 18, 2019 7:38 PM

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man, Yasuko had some nerve tagging along to the meetup, but it lead to the biggest most calm roast from Fumi so its a win
Mar 27, 2020 6:19 AM

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Well, Fumi is the only one not invited by Sugimoto, it seems..
Whole story of Sugimoto Yasuko.. I'm glad we got it..
Well, Fumi once said.. Maybe in first episode.. That it's hard for her to say "no".. Now she's with strength is able to tell Yasuko that she doesn't want to drag their relationship, and they need to separate.. Admirable, in a way.. And still sad.. I wouldn't agree with Fumi that it's about "maturing", though.. Saying this word, we really say nothing a lot of the times.. Taking responsibility, deciding, what you want to do, thinking about other person's feelings and other things that could Fumi say - yes.. Maturing - an empty word, really.. But that's for me, personally.. But Fumi didn't really have to say anything to Yasuko.. In the end.. Fumi decided, how she wants to live her life now, and that she doesn't want to have these relationships with Yasuko.. Yasuko needs to decide these things as well.. How to live her life.. What relationships to have..
Oct 31, 2021 11:35 AM

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The day of Sugimoto's sister's wedding. Ah, such a nice occasion, well, not for everyone tho.

Now that we are 10 eps in, I can say for certain I no longer care for the relationship aspect of the show, you know, the whole thing the shows based around, or at least part of it is. But, hey, only one more ep of it to go, so there's a positive for me, hehe.

Sugimoto got a taste of the cold hard truth. Admittedly, it came from Fumi, who is not exactly mature herself. But Fumi did nothing wrong, ever. If you believe that anyway. Ohohoho...

Apr 4, 2022 6:42 PM

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I don't think Sugimoto expected Fumi to say what she said to her, but perhaps she needed to hear it.

Fumi has become much stronger.

Jun 10, 2023 10:33 AM
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Can you made a more handsome dude rather then a curly dull dude ? What is the plus point of him i still doesn't see it at all
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