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I agree on that, I recently replayed the whole game and Haku's monologue in Uta2 was some of the best I've seen in the medium, though I gotta admit that aside from Haku, Kuon, and Nekone, the rest of the cast does quite suffer from surface level characterization. At least it does its job very well on the introduction of an all new cast and the worldbuilding surrounding Yamato. The first game is a pretty monumental work for me as it was the first eroge I ever played.

Oh, fellow Utawarerumono fan too. Nice!
Being a huge fan of Gundam The Origin, I never thought I'd see a heroic tale as epic as Casval's journey to becoming Akai Suisei. But Haku's story managed to surpass that. The Mask duology has one of my favourite plots in any video game and Haku is IMO the most well-written and best protagonist of any JRPG.
The remake of the first game is coming out soon!

Yeah lol, Umineko is not even my #1 all time favourite.
They have some of the best writing and characters I've ever experienced. Anime and video games can't really compete with eroge for me in that regard.

I can read Arabic (I'm a muslim) but I don't understand it, lol.

Yea, it's my favorite medium. As far as delivering a powerful and emotional story, there's really nothing that beats VNs in my opinion. Now that I've been getting better at Japanese (90% of my learning was through VNs), I can read most titles with no difficulty, though I'm still not competent enough to read the likes of Mareni and Masada. Hopefully by the time I hit my third year I'll be able to read pretty much anything I want without issues. It's only been a little over a year. I've got grammar down so all I need to do is grind more vocab.

Cool. Thanks.
I didn't make anilist until now because maintaining two accounts seems like a bother, but now I'm pretty much done with anime, so why not
I'll inform you when I finally make one

Hi velvet! I thought you left mal already lol, I didn't know that deleting account is possible. Anyway I'm very happy just being able to see you again. And nice take on Fata Morgana there. Should be obvious but I won't expect eops to understand. The author has claimed that he wrote the dialogue like that to make it more accessible or whatever, but honestly I doubt that's actually the case. He was lazy with the plotting and setting, so I'm inclined to believe he was lazy here too. It's sad to see it being frequently praised and recommended in Umineko fandom for being thematically similar. To compare Umineko to such a shallow VN and put them on the same level... I hate WTC fans. Honestly I feel like you are the only Umineko fan who truly understands me and my love for Umineko. I don't want to lose a friend as precious as you but unfortunately I don't use discord :"( Was thinking of making an anilist account though. Is there a way to transfer my mal entries to anilist? I know nothing about the site.

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Thank you, velvet ^^

How good is it you ask?

Watch the Natsume movie already

Exactly. Agree with all you said. She was so flawed, but had so many different aspects to her that contradicted one another yet consolidated to create who Rosa is at the same time.

There was a scene where Rosa tells Maria in her face that she never loved her, and that she wishes she never been born. I don't know if it was Bernkastel or Beatrice that pulled the strings to these events, but it really broke my heart seeing that. We can probably deduce that the Rosa we see getting gored by Maria & Beatrice is a one dimensional representation of Rosa (a manifestation of her "black witch" persona that Maria and Beatrice developed together), but I can imagine her saying those things to Maria. It's kinda similar to how Kyrie said to Eva that she hate Ange. They probably say those things out of anger and extreme distress. They probably don't actually feel that way. No, I believe they really don't.

Did you finish ep 8 now? Be sure to read the manga too. The Halloween Party in manga is my favorite part of ep 8. Especially that Beato & Natuhi scene.

Oh well. Having said all that, we have to admit that we laugh seeing this

True. Rosa is a very complicated character who has the unfortunate fate of never being really understood by anyone. This makes it all the more upsetting how she abuses Maria. But she worked hard for Maria, and tried her best to not be so cruel. Rosa’s husband also likely left her because Maria is a virgin born witch so he thought she was cheating on him (I think Beato said that. I remember Maria herself saying that she was born from her mother alone, but ofc that is only what she wants to imagine about herself to not feel sad about not having a father). Rosa also kept her attempt to see her boyfriend hidden from Maria because she was afraid it might hurt her.
And as you said, she is full of contradiction. Her actions don’t match with her goals. She wants to be a good mother to Maria, but she actively takes steps to worsen the relationship between herself and Maria. But she knows how grimy she is and is burdened by guilt and self hate. She’s a neurotic with tendency to have rage attacks and emotionally unstable. That’s what makes her so relatable.
And yet from what I’ve seen in the fandom she seemed to be pretty hated. It saddens me. People need to understand the nature of abuse and why people actually hurt each other. Sometimes abuse is a reflex rather than an act of malice, and people like that need help and love, not hatred.

Oh, my mom was like Eva too. She prioritizes my education and health over anything.
Speaking of Eva, she was also demeaned by Krauss. Everything she did to Natsuhi might seem reasonable to some extent if we try to understand her pov and what she had gone through. Another reason she desperately tried to raise George to be a great person is so that he won’t lose to Krauss’ child. An opportunity to bring down Krauss and she’d be in the front line.

They’re all flawed, you can’t just describe one as ‘good’ or ‘evil’, that’s what makes me really love every single character, especially the Ushiromiyas, to the point that I was moved to tears seeing how loyal Natsuhi is despite not being blood-related. I do feel her.
Character study is one of Umineko’s strongest aspects. Instead of using my mind to think about the puzzle, I liked to observe the human nature more. Umineko is about believing on what you think is right, and you need love to do that. From the beginning I always believed that Natsuhi is the most innocent being in Umjneko. No particular reason actually, just following my heart. Yeah she did ‘bad’ things like scolding the servants and being too strict to her daughter, well I saw that as just part of her dignity. When I was reading ep 5, shit happens and I finally knew the real bad side of hers. That was distressing. I cried upon knowing her backstory. But I still believed in her I wouldn't betray her. And after ep 5 ended I was very glad that I had always been with her til the end. Of course I wouldn’t ignore the fact that she killed a servant and attempted to murder a baby. But she wholeheartedly tries to repent and atone for those sins and I love her for that. Even if in the end she never really get out of the helplessness due to her unawareness of illusion she created herself out of her strong feeling of seeking Kinzo’s acceptance, but deep down Natsuhi did her best to protect the one-winged eagle harder than anyone else did.
And that’s why I will always thank Battler for what he did in ep 5. He defended Natsuhi and overcome all the things that might dishonor her and the family. Ep 5 tea party ending is the most satisfying scene in the entire Umineko for me.

Ouch, I feel sorry for your cousins. Their situation is kinda like Ange’s if you ask me. Your uncle has more than one wife now? Or he divorced the previous ones? Lol, either way it’s a level of misdeed only bastards like Rudolf could pull.

OMG. Rosa, Natsuhi, and Eva are all in my top 10 characters of Umineko <3

I have very personal reasons o why I love them very much.
If you look at this family tree of mine you'll notice some similarities it shares with Ushiromiya's. Also, let me tell a little story


I never found someone who appreciates Ushiromiya moms as much as you, so I feel like telling you this story, lol. Adults’ family conflict is something I’d love to see in fiction yet I rarely see it in anime/manga/vn, so seeing Umineko tackles all that with its own unique lore had me moved, and I fell in love since the first episode. The adults, especially the moms, have so much depth as a character, I found it so relatable too that it really hit home seeing their struggle doing the best for their beloved ones. They are not perfect, they did many mistakes. But their love is real it feels so warm.

What do you like about Rosa? I’d love to hear it. She is one of the most overlooked characters in the series. Also what do you think about Maria? I found her rather annoying but that makes me appreciate Rosa even more. To raise and handle such a kid as a single parent is not an easy task to do. Rosa also felt guilty of killing Beatrice, so hearing Maria talk about her being alive must have made her feel haunted.