How is a time paradox breaking his laws?
You make no sense.Saber want get reincarnated because she is in Avalon.If sh ewasnt in Avalon then her soul would either a)go to the Throne of Heroes where she would become like the rest of the heroic spirits or b)her soul would return to the Root and be dispersed.In both cases she wont be reincarnated while keeping her memories etc.There is no "other side".He,the author, clearly explains that she wont get a second life.
Fate is fiction..no shit...
Now you are just saying random shit for the sake of saying something.
I know what a time paradox is.I am asking what does it have to do with the story when nothing like it happened.
"World" in Fate refers to a certain entity/place in the series universe.The only characters that we saw being able to do that are Archer and Saber and they had KNOWLEDGE of what they were asking and what they would offer.A simple human wouldnt be able to make a deal with the world because he wouldnt be able to offer his service to the Counter Force,simply because they wouldnt know what that is.
An author that changes the laws of his story shouldnt be an author.That's a kid that writes something worst than fanfiction.A good thing about the works of Kinoko Nasu is that he doesnt contradict himself.Yes he can change his laws.But that doesnt mean that it is a good thing.
She wouldnt be the same because it would be another soul.
I dont get your time paradox point.One of the reasons Saber shouldn't have made a wish is because she wanted to change the past.Saber was frozen in time before her death.When she went back, after the end of the Grail war she "died" just like the King Arthur that Shirou,Rin and the rest knew about.Nothing changed.
She was able to manifest to the future because of the deal she made with the world, not because of her deeds.And that happened BEFORE she went to Avalon,BEFORE she died..
No she wont get a new life.Even if she gets reincarnated she wont be the Arturia that Shirou met.The author writes the story based on the laws that he has already established.He wont change them for one girl.That is a good enough argument.
I saw your post in FSN's ep24 discussion but I will reply here because I was lucky that it loaded.
There is no way to bring back the dead so if Saber was dead she wouldnt be able to come back no matter what Shirou or anyone else did.Even with a pure grail it would be impossible.
That aside, Arturia isnt dead.Just like the legend of King Arthur, she goes to Avalon after her "death".While she isnt dead she cant search for Shirou either.
In Realta Nua(PS2 version of the Visual Novel), if the player completes all three routes they will gain the last episode.
Merlin to Saber about her and Shirou:"One must wait continuously, one must pursue endlessly. Is that... the story of a dream that shouldn't be waited upon?"
In the last episode Shirou's spirit reunites with Saber in Avalon. It is stated that the last episode is the true ending of the Fate route.
Arturia and every other heroic spirit doesnt have a choice but to return to the Throne of Heores(every Servant except Saber and Archer) or to its time like Arturia,unless they have a huge source of mana.
Also a hint about Archer's identity:
They both know each other but he isnt from Saber's past.
If you liked the anime so much give the VN a try.
Protip:Before watching the abomination that is the movie.And if possible before watching Fate/Zero.Fate/Zero is great,many times better than FSN but it spoils too much and plot twists of FSN lose their strengh.
There IS a sequel for FSN VN,Fate/Hollow Ataraxia but it isnt about Fate route(anime's story) but of all the routes together(blame Rin for that).
He was indeed dense about book, but I guess its fiction magic, we the readers can tell, but they can't. XD There was indeed a shadowing on Aya (hair down, no glasses) for mysterious effect.
Azuki = Kozue? I never would of guess that she was from Oumi at all, but Nishino was meeting Junpei to go to the aquirium, she notice her chatting with Junpei. I guess Nishino doesn't know every person in Oumi, but the uniform difference here might prove you wrong? http://i38.mangareader.net/ichigo-100/151/ichigo-100-385804.jpg
It was plausible for Yui to end up with Junpei later on, if all the other 3 girls left him dry and there was more development of that type of relationship by the author, but I assume Yui doesn't like Junpe in a romantic way, she just respects him as older brother/friend.
Your comment on Aya, they wouldn't have known each other, if there wasn't for her being a writer (contributes to his goal), his obsession to capture her strawberry panties in the sunset and the story in her math notebook. Well thats what we call "circumstances and timing" in life to start off a relationship. Without meeting Aya, his confession style might be different and it might fail, because if you recall, Nishino heard him stating what matters, is in the inside (defending Aya). http://i39.mangareader.net/ichigo-100/1/ichigo-100-382713.jpg
Even without knowing any of the girls, Junpei goal was almost to become a film director in the future and forming/joining a film club in high school. This is why I like about this protagonist, his goals are set in stone (realistic goals compared to Love Hina for example).
I was a little disappointed that the author didn't show us with whatever free pages she had left of the relationships of Satsuki/Aya, but the fans might not like it and only believe the only candidate would be only Junpei. -> Speculation~
Glad to meet another Nishino fan, I was enticed by her in the anime and later started reading the manga. Just like you, its Nishino realistic affection toward Junpei that made me like her. Now that I finished the series, reading back in the beginning, I resented Junpei more for his treatment toward Nishino, he is very indecisive indeed.
Satsuki in my opinion, would of had a normal relationship with Junpei. He might have her support, but he will definitely lack creativity.
Aya is vice versa to Satsuki, she provides creativity, but lacks communication and understanding of her partner. This relationship will be doom to fail, once Junpei realize they're not compatible.
Nishino, like a lot of people describe her, she is balance between the other 2 girls, but she also has her own qualities. She might not have the same interest as Junpei, but she will support, understand and give him space, when he needs it. Junpie/Nishino are more compatible, because they will fill in each other gaps. Communication is one of the keys to a successful marriage.
The anime didn't do the manga justice, but I did enjoy OVA 2nd episode of Nishino at her school (very funny).
At first I dislike the ending, because I wanted more screen time with Nishino, seeing her life in France, starting her business in Japan, having a wedding, and most importantly a child, but I was later fine with the ending, the message was well put across and sweet. Yes it would of been nice to have the neckolace as well.
I like Yui very much, she at first was a candidate for Junpei love interest, but she evolves into his support and a mediator between him and the other girls.
Who is Aziki?
Here what I think about Ichigo 100%.
Here are my thoughts on Ichigo 100%, I was replying to a person who believe Aya was better choice for Junpei, but actually she wasn't, if he/she only read and understood the deep meaning of the story.
Copy/paste, cause I'm a bit lazy, but it still explains my thoughts about it. Might of been a little hard on Aya though.
I had fun reading your thoughts about the series, here what I felt about it.
I disagree Aya would be perfect for Manaka, there two were indeed close reflections of each other, but that doesn’t mean they’re compatible. First the two don’t communicate very well outside of the topics of movies and novels. There were many misunderstanding between the two of them, she never clear up the problems until it arises, like her little brother going out with her to the festival and Amachi being around her. Manaka true attraction to her was the interest they shared, which is a good starting point for relationship, but it never extended further. She never pries more into his life and to understand him better outside of school related activities. She had 3 years to confess, but expected Manaka to confess to her like he did to Nishino (my take).
Manaka upfront had bad character traits like all harem protagonist do. He was insecure and had an inferiority complex, which is displayed more around Nishino. Similar to Aya, he doesn’t take the lead with relationship with all the girls. The subtle changes in his development were revolving around Nishino relationship with him. First the break-up in 10th grade, when he couldn’t response to her feeling like proper boyfriend (he had 2 other girls in his mind). Positive out of break-up for Nishino/Manaka was learning from this experience. Manaka kindness overshadowed his greediness for having all 3 girls love him and not making up his mind. Manaka greediness was acknowledge when he told Satsuki that he had a girlfriend and he only wanted Satsuki to talk to him still, because she was the first to confess to him (he enjoy that feeling).
Here he thinks Aya is close to loser status as himself, which is untrue.
Satsuki in realistic situation would win over majority of guys with her sex appeal. Her approaches toward Manaka were her downfall in their relationship. Few reasons why Manaka and Satsuki weren’t compatible, she like Aya didn’t understand Manaka feelings on things, her sexual approaches in a relationship made Manaka awkward, and she sometime vaguely hurt Manaka without intentionally knowing it. Manaka is sensitive teenage boy with problems after all. Not trying to pile garbage on Satsuki, she does have some good moments with Manaka, like talking casually with him on certain topics and she did help/worsen situations for Manaka during the series. Satsuki got the short hand of the stick, having a bias view on the matter, she has it worst because of her constant confession toward him and his unrequited response to her love (Nishino has become friends again and Aya was passive as always).
During middle school, Manaka/Nishino relationship was immature; he had someone else on his mind. After knowing that, she decided to still stay as his girlfriend, she only decided to attend another high school for few reasons: she couldn’t contend with Aya who had a stronger connection through her novel with Manaka, she didn’t have a dream of her own, and leaving a open space for either Manaka or Komiyama to get off the waitlist to enroll. Her break-up with Manaka, made him realize what he lost, which allow him to grow a little and his interactions with the other 2 girls that are left. With Nishino reintroduction back into the story, she and Manaka became friends again. From there on, all memorable, realistic, outside of school relationship began for them. She understood Manaka personality and reacted perfectly to them. Even when Manaka lied to the others, regarding her, she understood and played it out, even though it hurt her. Not stating she was going after him again like mad girl, she was still reluctant on her relationship with him at first, but the protagonist always gets his girl back.
At first I thought Aya would win with “first girl” cliché rule. Reading this story overall as a series, instead of basing off each chapters, it was realistically that Nishino was perfect for him. For what Manaka missing in his life, she filled it and vice versa. She did what the other girls failed to do, she understood him. She tries to pry him to open up his feeling and problems instead of holding it in. Taking him out on dates, clearing misunderstanding in her relationship w/ other guys (Higure and Okusa). She always made sure she to get the message across that she cares for him, but he was too dense to accepted this as anymore than friendship until she confess. Which clear all of Manaka insecurity about Nishino feelings towards him (ex. does she love him)? This was constant mind battle for the protagonist and the 3 girls in his life.
Aya going to different college meant Manaka cannot talk to her about novel/movies anymore, left a hole in his heart. It was indeed sad that she stopped all contacts with him and thus ending their friendship, maybe because he didn’t pick her or my take is that it’s for both character to move on and development on their own, instead of Aya depending on Manaka for her stories or Manaka depending on her scripts for his movie. They were holding each other back in a way.
Manaka allowing Nishino to leave for France to accomplish her dreams is normal response for the person you love. She supported him and now he supports her. During their sperartion, he bettered himself compared to before to become suitable lover for Nishino or any of the girls, which he never deserved due to his indecisive nature!
One thing I like about Aya, it was the end, she finally found her goal in life, instead of being leashed by Manaka own ambitions. If you realize, his movie directing dream was very important to him then the girls in high school at the time.
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Please dont try to argue and sound smart when you have Code Geass,Freezing,Bleach, Shingetsutan Tsukihime and FSN2006 so high at the same time.
I understand you just woke up and realized you forgotten to say some shit again that make no sense whatsoever so I wont call you a troll.
You make no sense.Saber want get reincarnated because she is in Avalon.If sh ewasnt in Avalon then her soul would either a)go to the Throne of Heroes where she would become like the rest of the heroic spirits or b)her soul would return to the Root and be dispersed.In both cases she wont be reincarnated while keeping her memories etc.There is no "other side".He,the author, clearly explains that she wont get a second life.
Fate is fiction..no shit...
Now you are just saying random shit for the sake of saying something.
"World" in Fate refers to a certain entity/place in the series universe.The only characters that we saw being able to do that are Archer and Saber and they had KNOWLEDGE of what they were asking and what they would offer.A simple human wouldnt be able to make a deal with the world because he wouldnt be able to offer his service to the Counter Force,simply because they wouldnt know what that is.
An author that changes the laws of his story shouldnt be an author.That's a kid that writes something worst than fanfiction.A good thing about the works of Kinoko Nasu is that he doesnt contradict himself.Yes he can change his laws.But that doesnt mean that it is a good thing.
She wouldnt be the same because it would be another soul.
She was able to manifest to the future because of the deal she made with the world, not because of her deeds.And that happened BEFORE she went to Avalon,BEFORE she died..
No she wont get a new life.Even if she gets reincarnated she wont be the Arturia that Shirou met.The author writes the story based on the laws that he has already established.He wont change them for one girl.That is a good enough argument.
There is no way to bring back the dead so if Saber was dead she wouldnt be able to come back no matter what Shirou or anyone else did.Even with a pure grail it would be impossible.
That aside, Arturia isnt dead.Just like the legend of King Arthur, she goes to Avalon after her "death".While she isnt dead she cant search for Shirou either.
In Realta Nua(PS2 version of the Visual Novel), if the player completes all three routes they will gain the last episode.
Merlin to Saber about her and Shirou:"One must wait continuously, one must pursue endlessly. Is that... the story of a dream that shouldn't be waited upon?"
In the last episode Shirou's spirit reunites with Saber in Avalon. It is stated that the last episode is the true ending of the Fate route.
Arturia and every other heroic spirit doesnt have a choice but to return to the Throne of Heores(every Servant except Saber and Archer) or to its time like Arturia,unless they have a huge source of mana.
Also a hint about Archer's identity:
If you liked the anime so much give the VN a try.
Protip:Before watching the abomination that is the movie.And if possible before watching Fate/Zero.Fate/Zero is great,many times better than FSN but it spoils too much and plot twists of FSN lose their strengh.
There IS a sequel for FSN VN,Fate/Hollow Ataraxia but it isnt about Fate route(anime's story) but of all the routes together(blame Rin for that).
Right, there was back story later about how Nishino has already took an interest of him, way before his confession to her. I like how she forget about it and he stumble.
http://i24.mangareader.net/ichigo-100/80/ichigo-100-384328.jpg
He was indeed dense about book, but I guess its fiction magic, we the readers can tell, but they can't. XD There was indeed a shadowing on Aya (hair down, no glasses) for mysterious effect.
Junpei is perverted, but the reason he was obsessive with capturing it on picture, because it was magnificent or "art" in his won words.
http://i39.mangareader.net/ichigo-100/1/ichigo-100-382680.jpg
http://i19.mangareader.net/ichigo-100/1/ichigo-100-382689.jpg
http://i14.mangareader.net/ichigo-100/1/ichigo-100-382690.jpg
The author actually fulfill this small plot from the beginning
http://i30.mangareader.net/ichigo-100/156/ichigo-100-385911.jpg
Well, Junpei didn't really need to film it to move on with Nishino, but oh well.
http://i38.mangareader.net/ichigo-100/151/ichigo-100-385804.jpg
It was plausible for Yui to end up with Junpei later on, if all the other 3 girls left him dry and there was more development of that type of relationship by the author, but I assume Yui doesn't like Junpe in a romantic way, she just respects him as older brother/friend.
Your comment on Aya, they wouldn't have known each other, if there wasn't for her being a writer (contributes to his goal), his obsession to capture her strawberry panties in the sunset and the story in her math notebook. Well thats what we call "circumstances and timing" in life to start off a relationship. Without meeting Aya, his confession style might be different and it might fail, because if you recall, Nishino heard him stating what matters, is in the inside (defending Aya).
http://i39.mangareader.net/ichigo-100/1/ichigo-100-382713.jpg
Even without knowing any of the girls, Junpei goal was almost to become a film director in the future and forming/joining a film club in high school. This is why I like about this protagonist, his goals are set in stone (realistic goals compared to Love Hina for example).
I was a little disappointed that the author didn't show us with whatever free pages she had left of the relationships of Satsuki/Aya, but the fans might not like it and only believe the only candidate would be only Junpei. -> Speculation~
Satsuki in my opinion, would of had a normal relationship with Junpei. He might have her support, but he will definitely lack creativity.
Aya is vice versa to Satsuki, she provides creativity, but lacks communication and understanding of her partner. This relationship will be doom to fail, once Junpei realize they're not compatible.
Nishino, like a lot of people describe her, she is balance between the other 2 girls, but she also has her own qualities. She might not have the same interest as Junpei, but she will support, understand and give him space, when he needs it. Junpie/Nishino are more compatible, because they will fill in each other gaps. Communication is one of the keys to a successful marriage.
The anime didn't do the manga justice, but I did enjoy OVA 2nd episode of Nishino at her school (very funny).
At first I dislike the ending, because I wanted more screen time with Nishino, seeing her life in France, starting her business in Japan, having a wedding, and most importantly a child, but I was later fine with the ending, the message was well put across and sweet. Yes it would of been nice to have the neckolace as well.
I like Yui very much, she at first was a candidate for Junpei love interest, but she evolves into his support and a mediator between him and the other girls.
Who is Aziki?
Here what I think about Ichigo 100%.
Here are my thoughts on Ichigo 100%, I was replying to a person who believe Aya was better choice for Junpei, but actually she wasn't, if he/she only read and understood the deep meaning of the story.
Copy/paste, cause I'm a bit lazy, but it still explains my thoughts about it. Might of been a little hard on Aya though.
I had fun reading your thoughts about the series, here what I felt about it.
I disagree Aya would be perfect for Manaka, there two were indeed close reflections of each other, but that doesn’t mean they’re compatible. First the two don’t communicate very well outside of the topics of movies and novels. There were many misunderstanding between the two of them, she never clear up the problems until it arises, like her little brother going out with her to the festival and Amachi being around her. Manaka true attraction to her was the interest they shared, which is a good starting point for relationship, but it never extended further. She never pries more into his life and to understand him better outside of school related activities. She had 3 years to confess, but expected Manaka to confess to her like he did to Nishino (my take).
http:// http://i19.mangareader.net/ichigo-100/138/ichigo-100-385535.jpg
Manaka upfront had bad character traits like all harem protagonist do. He was insecure and had an inferiority complex, which is displayed more around Nishino. Similar to Aya, he doesn’t take the lead with relationship with all the girls. The subtle changes in his development were revolving around Nishino relationship with him. First the break-up in 10th grade, when he couldn’t response to her feeling like proper boyfriend (he had 2 other girls in his mind). Positive out of break-up for Nishino/Manaka was learning from this experience. Manaka kindness overshadowed his greediness for having all 3 girls love him and not making up his mind. Manaka greediness was acknowledge when he told Satsuki that he had a girlfriend and he only wanted Satsuki to talk to him still, because she was the first to confess to him (he enjoy that feeling).
Here he thinks Aya is close to loser status as himself, which is untrue.
http://i19.mangareader.net/ichigo-100/138/ichigo-100-385535.jpg
Satsuki in realistic situation would win over majority of guys with her sex appeal. Her approaches toward Manaka were her downfall in their relationship. Few reasons why Manaka and Satsuki weren’t compatible, she like Aya didn’t understand Manaka feelings on things, her sexual approaches in a relationship made Manaka awkward, and she sometime vaguely hurt Manaka without intentionally knowing it. Manaka is sensitive teenage boy with problems after all. Not trying to pile garbage on Satsuki, she does have some good moments with Manaka, like talking casually with him on certain topics and she did help/worsen situations for Manaka during the series. Satsuki got the short hand of the stick, having a bias view on the matter, she has it worst because of her constant confession toward him and his unrequited response to her love (Nishino has become friends again and Aya was passive as always).
During middle school, Manaka/Nishino relationship was immature; he had someone else on his mind. After knowing that, she decided to still stay as his girlfriend, she only decided to attend another high school for few reasons: she couldn’t contend with Aya who had a stronger connection through her novel with Manaka, she didn’t have a dream of her own, and leaving a open space for either Manaka or Komiyama to get off the waitlist to enroll. Her break-up with Manaka, made him realize what he lost, which allow him to grow a little and his interactions with the other 2 girls that are left. With Nishino reintroduction back into the story, she and Manaka became friends again. From there on, all memorable, realistic, outside of school relationship began for them. She understood Manaka personality and reacted perfectly to them. Even when Manaka lied to the others, regarding her, she understood and played it out, even though it hurt her. Not stating she was going after him again like mad girl, she was still reluctant on her relationship with him at first, but the protagonist always gets his girl back.
At first I thought Aya would win with “first girl” cliché rule. Reading this story overall as a series, instead of basing off each chapters, it was realistically that Nishino was perfect for him. For what Manaka missing in his life, she filled it and vice versa. She did what the other girls failed to do, she understood him. She tries to pry him to open up his feeling and problems instead of holding it in. Taking him out on dates, clearing misunderstanding in her relationship w/ other guys (Higure and Okusa). She always made sure she to get the message across that she cares for him, but he was too dense to accepted this as anymore than friendship until she confess. Which clear all of Manaka insecurity about Nishino feelings towards him (ex. does she love him)? This was constant mind battle for the protagonist and the 3 girls in his life.
Aya going to different college meant Manaka cannot talk to her about novel/movies anymore, left a hole in his heart. It was indeed sad that she stopped all contacts with him and thus ending their friendship, maybe because he didn’t pick her or my take is that it’s for both character to move on and development on their own, instead of Aya depending on Manaka for her stories or Manaka depending on her scripts for his movie. They were holding each other back in a way.
Manaka allowing Nishino to leave for France to accomplish her dreams is normal response for the person you love. She supported him and now he supports her. During their sperartion, he bettered himself compared to before to become suitable lover for Nishino or any of the girls, which he never deserved due to his indecisive nature!
One thing I like about Aya, it was the end, she finally found her goal in life, instead of being leashed by Manaka own ambitions. If you realize, his movie directing dream was very important to him then the girls in high school at the time.
What your opinion on the series and the characters you like?
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